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[{"start":"00:00:00","end":"00:00:04","text":"And what if I told you that on June 21, 2025, while the world slept, a military operation was executed"},{"start":"00:00:04","end":"00:00:08","text":"to deactivate a nuclear threat, but for some reason,"},{"start":"00:00:08","end":"00:00:13","text":"25% of the Bitcoin network's computational power instantly collapsed."},{"start":"00:00:13","end":"00:00:16","text":"Worldwide. What you're about to discover in this video is not just a the-"},{"start":"00:00:16","end":"00:00:21","text":"ory, these are documented facts, correlations impossible to ignore, and a truth that"},{"start":"00:00:21","end":"00:00:25","text":"those who know it don't want you to discover. My name is Ivan Prats, and today we are going to unravel"},{"start":"00:00:25","end":"00:00:30","text":"how the United States-Israel's Operation Midnight Hammer revealed something much deeper"},{"start":"00:00:30","end":"00:00:32","text":"than a simple coincidence."},{"start":"00:00:32","end":"00:00:40","text":"While Americans were sleeping, seven B-2 Spirit stealth bombers took off"},{"start":"00:00:40","end":"00:00:45","text":"in complete silence. Their cargo: nearly 14-ton bunker-buster bombs designed to"},{"start":"00:00:45","end":"00:00:51","text":"destroy bunkers 100 meters underground. The targets: Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan."},{"start":"00:00:51","end":"00:00:54","text":"Three names that would mean little to the average citizen, but which hide Iran's"},{"start":"00:00:54","end":"00:00:59","text":"best-kept secret. Trump declared on the same night of the attack that Iran's nuclear facilities"},{"start":"00:00:59","end":"00:01:03","text":"had been completely destroyed. But here's the strange part:"},{"start":"00:01:03","end":"00:01:06","text":"exactly 70 minutes after the announcement, something unthinkable happened."},{"start":"00:01:06","end":"00:01:11","text":"The global hash rate of Bitcoin, which is the measure of the total computational power of the Bitcoin blockchain,"},{"start":"00:01:11","end":"00:01:14","text":"began to collapse, and this was not a gradual drop in terms of percentage"},{"start":"00:01:14","end":"00:01:17","text":"nor in terms of timing. This type of drop is usually common during the months"},{"start":"00:01:17","end":"00:01:22","text":"of the halving, which was in '24. This was not a normal fluctuation at all, where"},{"start":"00:01:22","end":"00:01:28","text":"a catastrophic 25% of the hash rate collapsed. 224 exahashes per second, disappeared."},{"start":"00:01:28","end":"00:01:31","text":"As if someone had turned off a quarter of all the computers in the world"},{"start":"00:01:31","end":"00:01:35","text":"mining Bitcoin. Coincidence? Perhaps, but get ready, because this story is just"},{"start":"00:01:35","end":"00:01:36","text":"beginning."},{"start":"00:01:36","end":"00:01:39","text":"To understand all this, we must first go back to March of this same year."},{"start":"00:01:39","end":"00:01:43","text":"Tulsi Gabbard, Donald Trump's new Director of National Intelligence, appeared before"},{"start":"00:01:43","end":"00:01:45","text":"Congress, and her testimony was categorical."},{"start":"00:01:45","end":"00:01:50","text":"Iran is not building weapons or created them; the program was suspended in '23 and has not been active for"},{"start":"00:01:50","end":"00:01:55","text":"a long time. 18 intelligence agencies, a unanimous consensus: Iran had enriched uranium,"},{"start":"00:01:55","end":"00:01:59","text":"but no active weapons program. So why attack nuclear facilities"},{"start":"00:01:59","end":"00:02:04","text":"that supposedly didn't pose a threat? On June 17, just four"},{"start":"00:02:04","end":"00:02:08","text":"days before the attack, Trump publicly contradicted his own intelligence director."},{"start":"00:02:08","end":"00:02:11","text":""I don't care what she says," the American president declared. Did Trump"},{"start":"00:02:11","end":"00:02:15","text":"know something his own country's intelligence didn't? Or was there another objective"},{"start":"00:02:15","end":"00:02:17","text":"in those facilities that they didn't want the public to know about?"},{"start":"00:02:18","end":"00:02:20","text":"Pay attention, because here's where the story gets fascinating."},{"start":"00:02:20","end":"00:02:23","text":"The same nuclear facilities attacked:"},{"start":"00:02:23","end":"00:02:28","text":"Fordow, buried 100 meters under a mountain; Natanz, Iran's largest enrichment complex;"},{"start":"00:02:28","end":"00:02:32","text":"and Isfahan, the nuclear conversion plant, shared something more than uranium;"},{"start":"00:02:32","end":"00:02:36","text":"they shared an electrical grid, a network that powered not only centrifuges, but something"},{"start":"00:02:36","end":"00:02:39","text":"much more lucrative. Documents from the National Council of Resistance"},{"start":"00:02:39","end":"00:02:43","text":"of Iran reveal that the Revolutionary Guard Corps controlled two-thirds"},{"start":"00:02:43","end":"00:02:47","text":"of Bitcoin mining devices as well, an operation that consumed 2000 megawatts"},{"start":"00:02:47","end":"00:02:50","text":"daily. And do you know the price of electricity at these facilities?"},{"start":"00:02:50","end":"00:02:56","text":"0.002 dollars per kilowatt-hour, it's the cheapest cost on the entire planet."},{"start":"00:02:56","end":"00:02:58","text":"Are you starting to see the connection, or is this going to get even more interesting?"},{"start":"00:03:04","end":"00:03:08","text":"The first missiles impacted. At that exact moment, Bitcoin's hash rate registered its first"},{"start":"00:03:08","end":"00:03:12","text":"drop: 50 exahashes disappeared in just 60 minutes."},{"start":"00:03:12","end":"00:03:17","text":"Analysts from Glassnode confirmed it. The network dropped from almost 1000 exahashes per second to barely 700,"},{"start":"00:03:17","end":"00:03:20","text":"but here's the data that will make your blood run cold: Iran only controlled, according to"},{"start":"00:03:20","end":"00:03:26","text":"official public data, 3.1% of the global hash rate, approximately 28.5 exahashes."},{"start":"00:03:26","end":"00:03:31","text":"However, the drop was 274. How can 3% cause a 25% drop,"},{"start":"00:03:31","end":"00:03:36","text":"unless those nuclear facilities were not the only ones connected to the network?"},{"start":"00:03:36","end":"00:03:40","text":"Official reports speak of significant damage to Natanz, where 15,000 centrifuges"},{"start":"00:03:40","end":"00:03:44","text":"were left without electricity, but leaked intelligence reports tell another story."},{"start":"00:03:44","end":"00:03:49","text":"Later assessments admitted that the nuclear program was only delayed by a few months,"},{"start":"00:03:49","end":"00:03:54","text":"at most. They spent 75 missiles and 7 B-2 bombers for a delay of only a few"},{"start":"00:03:54","end":"00:03:55","text":"months?"},{"start":"00:03:55","end":"00:03:58","text":"If you study a bit of history between Iran and the West, you realize that the news outlets"},{"start":"00:03:58","end":"00:04:03","text":"have been saying that Iran is about to have a nuclear bomb since the 80s."},{"start":"00:04:03","end":"00:04:07","text":"More than 40 years have passed, and the nuclear bomb has never arrived. Is that strange?"},{"start":"00:04:07","end":"00:04:10","text":"The truth is yes, because it is. Rumors are already circulating online that the real objective"},{"start":"00:04:10","end":"00:04:15","text":"was in the basements, in the hidden mining farms, under the pretext of nuclear research,"},{"start":"00:04:15","end":"00:04:19","text":"operations that generated billions of dollars annually for the Iranian regime."},{"start":"00:04:19","end":"00:04:20","text":"Iranian."},{"start":"00:04:20","end":"00:04:23","text":"Bitcoin allowed them to evade sanctions, finance operations, and move outside the international banking"},{"start":"00:04:23","end":"00:04:28","text":"banking system, very lucrative farms that on June 21, someone decided to shut down."},{"start":"00:04:28","end":"00:04:32","text":"Coincidentally, this hash rate collapse benefited American miners."},{"start":"00:04:32","end":"00:04:36","text":"Foundry USA, based in New York, saw its market share increase while"},{"start":"00:04:36","end":"00:04:39","text":"miners in the Middle East disconnected."},{"start":"00:04:39","end":"00:04:43","text":"The 7 Bitcoin ETFs registered inflows of more than 1.5 billion during the recovery"},{"start":"00:04:43","end":"00:04:47","text":"in the same days of the military operation by Israel and the United States. Who buys"},{"start":"00:04:47","end":"00:04:50","text":"during a crisis? You can be sure the average citizen doesn't. Those who do"},{"start":"00:04:50","end":"00:04:52","text":"are those who know what's coming next."},{"start":"00:04:52","end":"00:04:56","text":"All this shows a connection that I myself cannot decipher, it's as if a piece of the puzzle is missing."},{"start":"00:04:56","end":"00:04:57","text":"is missing."},{"start":"00:04:57","end":"00:05:01","text":"Trump, the pro-crypto president; Gabbard, the intelligence director contradicting the official narrative;"},{"start":"00:05:01","end":"00:05:06","text":"the surgical attacks that coincidentally destroyed the electrical infrastructure,"},{"start":"00:05:06","end":"00:05:10","text":"but didn't quite dismantle the nuclear program. If Iran wasn't building weapons,"},{"start":"00:05:10","end":"00:05:13","text":"if the real objective was Bitcoin, if all this was planned, what else are they not"},{"start":"00:05:13","end":"00:05:14","text":"telling us?"},{"start":"00:05:14","end":"00:05:18","text":"On the last day of the conflict, June 23, Iran responded by attacking US bases,"},{"start":"00:05:18","end":"00:05:22","text":"but Trump declared on social media that he was warned before they did it, and that"},{"start":"00:05:22","end":"00:05:27","text":"no missile actually hit causing damage or casualties, as if there had been some kind of"},{"start":"00:05:27","end":"00:05:28","text":"prior agreement."},{"start":"00:05:28","end":"00:05:31","text":"A few hours later, Trump declared a ceasefire agreed upon by all involved,"},{"start":"00:05:31","end":"00:05:36","text":"ending the conflict. What we witnessed between June 21 and 23 was not just"},{"start":"00:05:36","end":"00:05:40","text":"a military attack; it was potentially the first cryptogeopolitical war in history."},{"start":"00:05:40","end":"00:05:44","text":"A war where bombs don't just destroy bunkers, but computational networks, where"},{"start":"00:05:44","end":"00:05:48","text":"power isn't just measured in megatons, but in exahashes, and here's the part that"},{"start":"00:05:48","end":"00:05:50","text":"should resonate with you: if they can do this with Bitcoin,"},{"start":"00:05:50","end":"00:05:51","text":"what else can they control?"},{"start":"00:05:51","end":"00:05:55","text":"Your digital money, your transactions, your financial future. Where is it all connected?"},{"start":"00:05:55","end":"00:05:56","text":"Everything traceable, everything vulnerable."},{"start":"00:05:56","end":"00:05:59","text":"Operation Midnight Hammer was not the end; it was the beginning."},{"start":"00:05:59","end":"00:06:02","text":"It's the moment when the wars of the future showed their true face, and now that"},{"start":"00:06:02","end":"00:06:04","text":"you know the truth, the question is: what are you going to do with it?"},{"start":"00:06:04","end":"00:06:07","text":"If this video opened your eyes or at least made you think, share it, because"},{"start":"00:06:07","end":"00:06:09","text":"knowledge is the only weapon we have left."},{"start":"00:06:09","end":"00:06:13","text":"Subscribe for more investigations they don't want you to see, hit the bell icon, and remember,"},{"start":"00:06:13","end":"00:06:18","text":"in the world of power, there are no coincidences, only conspiracies that will eventually cease to be so."}]

[{"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "there's a prophecy uh recently"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "commemorated and uh uh by Metropolitan"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "NE alos which says that one day this was"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "uttered years ago 20 years ago by a"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "aesthetic INR Theodore an atic INR he"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "says one day you'll be sipping coffee"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "you will hear the news that the Israelis"}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "have hit the nuclear program of Persia"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "that will be when the major worldwide"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "events will start at the same time"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "another sign either shortly before or"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "after"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "erdogan the head of turkey will fall and"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "this will be the sign of the great"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "events that were mentioned in these"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "prophecies"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "r"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "for so that is a fascinating video"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "Father Peter Hees is here with us uh"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "could you please tell us a little bit"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "more about who that man was Father Peter"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "and uh and a little bit more about that"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "prophecy so that is that is Metropolitan"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "neus of moru he is a disciple and a"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "close confident of several contemporary"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "Orthodox Saints St pisos St pidos St"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "yakos St amenos and he's labored all for"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "the last 20 years to collect all of the"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "prophecies that came down to us from"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "these Saints and others throughout"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "history and he is constantly teaching"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "and telling the world what the Orthodox"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "Saints have to say about the events that"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "are coming could you talk a little bit a"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "bit about the significance of turkey uh"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "and and what do you think in light of"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "the prophecies how will turkey's"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "involvement happen"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "here well the key the key sign of the"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "this disintegration of turkey will be"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "the end of the erogan according to the"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "prophecies and the new leadership will"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "be inclined toward the west and they"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "will do the bidding of the West and one"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "of that the key thing that will happen"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "was they will they will close the"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "Straits uh and not allow the the Russian"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "military to pass to go to the Middle"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "East where uh a lot of their interests"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "will be at stake uh and that will happen"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "during a a short war between turkey and"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "Greece because that's a prerequisite for"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "these Straits to be shut there must be a"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "war uh uh Fair State going on otherwise"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "they they're not justified by"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "international law so the prophecies are"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "that turkey will strike Greece over a"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "the disputed six miles between the two"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "countries and they have long had this"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "dispute well-known dispute going back"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "decades and decades and uh the the uhu"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "they will get the nod for this because"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "ultimately it's it will be in the best"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "interest of NATO to shut the Straits and"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "keep Russia out uh from the Middle East"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "and so this this is all very much"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "whereas 20 years ago 15 years ago we"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "would hard it would be hard to see these"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "things as possibly materializing even"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "though the prophecies go back many many"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "decades St P's reposed 30 years ago and"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "he was saying these things now you can"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "see them literally in front of us uh"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "erdogan's party has has largely lost"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "power in the last elections he has said"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "he's going to step down and now we're on"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "the verge of possibly uh the the attack"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "on Iran's nuclear facilities which is"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "also set as a sign to provoke um the uh"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "the larger War so turkey's according to"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "the prophecies at the center uh of of"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "all the development going"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "forward for"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "[Music]"}]

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should be"}, {"end": "00:23:01", "start": "00:22:55", "text": "normalized China's MSS is increasingly"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "expanding in its influence to nearly all"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "aspects of Chinese Society the Communist"}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "party is enlisting Ordinary People to"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "guard against perceived threats to the"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "country in a campaign that blurs the"}, {"end": "00:23:15", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "line between vigilance and paranoia"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "despite facing its worst economic"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "slowdown in years China's authoritarian"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "leader xiin ping appears more focused on"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "National Security and preventing threats"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "to the parties control in another Post"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "in September the MSS criticized the"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "United States policies towards China"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "seing that the US was engaged in"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "decoupling and disconnecting at the"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "economic level ganging up on the"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "political level deterrence and"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "containment at the security level"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "discrediting and disparaging at the"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "public opinion level and constraining"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "and locking down The rules level I think"}, 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[{"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "There's an old Hebrew proverb,"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "He who comes to kill you,"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "get up early and kill them first."}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "In Judaism,"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "there's an expression which I think still holds true."}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "He who comes to kill you,"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "get up early and kill them first."}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "It's the moral right to kill."}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "We kill those who want to kill us."}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "In Israel,"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "every time there's an attack,"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "people weep."}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "But then they shoot back."}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "For 40 years,"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "the Jewish state has been secretly eliminating some of its enemies abroad."}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "Every terrorist with blood on his hands is a target."}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "Mossad,"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "the Israeli Secret service,"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "is responsible for these special missions."}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "Stealing is not a part of it."}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:13", "text": "You do it because the prime minister decided to do it."}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "We also spoke with people deemed enemies of the state of Israel,"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "who had had the good fortune to survive the hitmen from Mossad."}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "The screams woke me up,"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "and then I saw four armed men arrive."}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "They wanted to kill me in my sleep,"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "but the will of the Almighty decided otherwise."}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "In Israel,"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "the proverb,"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "an eye for an eye,"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "a tooth for a tooth,"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "has become a perfectly acceptable state policy."}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "Israel is the country that has used the weapon of targeted killing more than any other country after the Second World War."}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "Tunis,"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "Amman,"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "Dubai."}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "These cities are where Mossad has operated its assassination operations in recent years."}, {"end": "00:03:04", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "March 1978,"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "A Palestine Liberation Organization,"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "or PLO,"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "commando hijacks a bus in the Israeli town of Gililat."}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "It's one of the most serious attacks in Israel."}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "38 people are killed,"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "including 13 children."}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "While the attack unfolds,"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "Yitzhak Mordecai is an officer in the Israeli army."}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "He'll never forget that day. The commando killed a tourist on the street before attacking the bus and forcing it to drive to Tel Aviv inside the bus. They killed women and children, they"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "spared no one, They blew up the bus. It was the first time in Israel's history that such an attack had taken place inside the country. I'll always remember that night."}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "According to Mossad, the man responsible for the outrage is Khalil Al-Wazir, also known as Abu Jihad. Abu Jihad is not just another suspect, he's the right-hand man of Yasser Arafat, the"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "leader of the PLO. Here he is in the mid-1980s, filmed by another of his aides"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "as the head of the PLO's military operations,"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "he's training his men for an assault against Israel."}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "We have to blot out the sky over Tel Aviv so that this Black Saturday will live on in history."}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "This is the day"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "Tel Aviv will be hit by blood and destruction."}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "The Israeli secret services now consider the PLO's second-in-command to be a legitimate target."}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "For months,"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "this former member of Shin Bet gathered as much information about Abu Jihad as possible."}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "His mission was to determine the psychological profile of Arafat's number two."}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "What did you learn?"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "That he is smart."}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "That he is very addicted to the mission."}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "That he learned a lot."}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "That he checks every single point that he is going to deal with it,"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "that he does it by himself."}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "Abu Jihad is someone who likes to be in control and sometimes enjoyed provocation."}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "In 1987,"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "a stone-throwing Palestinian youth staged the intifada against Israel."}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "Abu Jihad takes credit for the uprising."}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "To Israel,"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "it's a red flag."}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "At the time,"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "Moshe Nissim is the finance minister."}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "His opinion was that Abu Jihad had to be killed,"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "and as soon as possible."}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "People were demoralized by the Intifada."}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "I believed Abu Jihad's death could boost their morale."}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "Abudji had masterminded a large number of attacks against Israel,"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "causing many victims."}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "It couldn't go on."}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "We had to terminate it."}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "To end the life of an enemy of Israel is a decision that rests with one man,"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "the Prime Minister."}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "Back then, it was Yitzhak Shamir."}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "He alone, in consultation with his cabinet, can add or remove names from the enemies to kill list."}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "Usually, the Prime Minister does not decide alone,"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "but calls in one minister or a group of ministers to take the decision together."}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "The decision to eliminate Abu Jihad has to be voted on in the Security Cabinet,"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "made up of a small group of senior military figures and ministers,"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "But the vote ends in stalemate,"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "5-4,"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "and 5 against."}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "Convinced that the PLO's number two has to be killed,"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "Moshe Nissim tries to persuade fellow Cabinet member and Defense secretary Yitzhak Rabin to vote in favor."}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "During the security cabinet meeting,"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "I asked"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "Minister Rabin to come with me to an adjacent room."}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "I told Yitzhak Rabin,"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "you're the Minister of Defense,"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "and I think you should be the first to support the proposal."}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "We need to show the world that we can still carry out this sort of operation."}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "And Rabin said,"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "You know what?"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "You're right,"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "let's go back in."}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "And so it became 6-4 and 4 against in the vote."}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "It's approved and the government gives the green light."}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "Abu Jihad will be eliminated."}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "Slight problem,"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "the PLO's deputy leader lives in Tunisia,"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "a country then hostile to Israel."}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "So the operation is a risky one."}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "In Tunis,"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "the target lives in the Sidi Bou Saida neighborhood with his wife and children."}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "Doubtlessly protected by Tunisian security and his personal bodyguards,"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "all of Israel's intelligence services are asked to contribute to the planning."}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "Oded Raz,"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "profiler of Abu Jihad,"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "will spend more than a year investigating the target."}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "It takes months to plan an attack like this."}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "A lot of people deal with it."}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "The Army intelligence,"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "the"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "Shabak and the Mustad, and the National Security advisor."}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "And the government."}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "It's not a..."}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "You don't kill people like this."}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "Oded Raz,"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "the man who studied Abu Jihad's profile,"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "is asked to analyze every move the PLO's number two makes."}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "But Arafat's right-hand man is wary."}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "He is like a frightened people,"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "like an animal."}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "He's..."}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "Changing all the time his plan or..."}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "All the time his plan, or flats,"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "offices,"}, {"end": "00:09:48", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "how he goes from one point to another point."}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "Living like a hounded animal alongside the PLO's deputy leader is the love of his life."}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "A woman he'd met 30 years earlier in Gaza."}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "It was a love story."}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "I liked his ideas."}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "I was crazy about him."}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "I was just 14 at the beginning."}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "It was a hidden love."}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "Nobody knew about it."}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "He told me,"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "you want to marry me?"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "I love you."}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "But you are maybe lost me."}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "I am martyrs,"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "maybe."}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "I am prisoners,"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "maybe."}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "I am wounded."}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "person,"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "maybe,"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "tell you,"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "yes,"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "that's for you,"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "and that's the same for me."}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "So we want to try together."}, {"end": "00:10:45", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "Abba, Jihad wasn't wrong."}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:45", "text": "25 years later,"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "he's in the sights of the Israeli Secret Services."}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "In 1987,"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "after checks,"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "cross-checks,"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "surveillance,"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "Mossad obtained some crucial intelligence,"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "details of his personal life."}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "These allow Elias and his men to prepare his execution with precision."}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "I had his address,"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "and since he had a wife,"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "there was a reason for him to go home."}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "We knew the operation would be carried out in his home."}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "We had the layout of his house and we knew every step,"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "on every staircase."}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "We had a lot of information."}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "We even knew he slept with a gun under his pillow."}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "At the time,"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "Abu Jihad suspected the Israelis might booby-trap his car,"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "and he warned his wife."}, {"end": "00:11:49", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "He afraid many times to take me with him in his car."}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:49", "text": "Yeah?"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "He..."}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "That not allowed me to join him anywhere."}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "It's true,"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "we knew the route that he would take."}, {"end": "00:12:03", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "We could have bombed his car."}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "But in the end,"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "you choose the method that has 99%"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "chance of success."}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "The objective was to kill Abu Jihad,"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "not wound him."}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "You can't be sure an explosion will kill a target."}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "But if you shoot him at close range,"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "then you'll know he'll die."}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "By the beginning of 1988, the procedure had been chosen. Warships would sell for Tunis, where a commander unit would secretly disembark and make its way to the House of Abu Jiha. The"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "operation is completely unlawful and needs to be executed as quickly as possible. The 18th of April"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "1988 is D-Day."}, {"end": "00:12:55", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "En route to Tunis,"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:55", "text": "the commander unit receives a last coded signal from Israel's military headquarters."}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "The nights are now short."}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "The mission and the operation have to be very precise,"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "very quick."}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "And we wish you every success."}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:19", "text": "In Tunis,"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "Mossad informants carry out one last check."}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "Before the attack,"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "they make sure the target is indeed at home."}, {"end": "00:13:34", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "They ring his phone,"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:34", "text": "and it's Umm, Jihad that answers."}, {"end": "00:13:43", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "The caller asked to speak with Abu Jihad."}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:43", "text": "She wanted to inform him that,"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "quote,"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "one of his nephews had been captured."}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "By passing the phone to her husband,"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "Umm Jihad had unwittingly signed his death warrant."}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "The Israelis tapping the phone now had the confirmation they needed."}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "The PLO's number two was indeed at home. Abu Jihad is unaware that, just a few kilometers off the coast of Sidi. Bu said several Israeli warships have taken up station. The operation is directed from a frigate on"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "board, a young colonel, a certain Ehud Barack."}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "20 years later, he will become the Prime Minister of Israel. At 2300 hours, a speedboat heads towards the coast of Tunis."}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "On board is the unit whose task is to assassinate Abu Jihad."}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "At 23.15,"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "about 20 men board two minibuses and make their way to the home of the PLO's deputy leader."}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "If the Mossad agents are discovered,"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "it would be a catastrophe."}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "Military HQ in Tel Aviv is anxious and sends another radio signal."}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "In a few minutes,"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "the Mossad agents are at Abu Jihad's front door."}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "Everything seems calm,"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "with just one sentry keeping watch."}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "They killed the guard with a silencer."}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "From the death of the guard to reaching his bedroom took barely 10 seconds."}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "I woke up with a start because of the cries and the noise of the table breaking."}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "Then"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "I saw four men."}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "Some of them opened fire,"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "wounded him in his arm."}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "My husband tried to turn, but he fell."}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "I ran after him to hold him back."}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "I shot him,"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "threatened to kill me,"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "told me to stand facing the wall."}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "The woman screamed, so they took her away."}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "They covered her mouth and took care of her."}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "Another man came and shot him a second time."}, {"end": "00:16:41", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "Then a third man shot him."}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "And a fourth."}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "A fifth man came to shoot Abu Jihad again."}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "And I cried out,"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "stop,"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "that's enough."}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "Stop."}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "And the bus? The PLO inquiry said Abu Jihad had been struck by 75 bullets fired by five different guns. The whole operation took less than 10 minutes. The"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "senior commando, still out of breath, radios back to the frigate off Tunis that the operation had been a success."}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "Bogart,"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "the head of the commando unit that had just killed Abu Jihad,"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "would carve out a career in politics."}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "Bogart is no other than the current Minister of Defense in Israel,"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "Moshe Bogi"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "Yalon."}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "Serving in the Hebrew state's security services often seems to lead to a lot of trouble."}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "To a future in politics."}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "Returning to Israel,"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "as these recently declassified photos illustrate,"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "the commando and senior officers celebrate the elimination of their enemy with champagne."}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "On the way home,"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "the men were happy,"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "but there was no sense of triumph."}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "No one was singing."}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "We got home,"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "the Prime Minister congratulated us and said,"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "Thank you very much."}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "Early on the morning of the 19th of April,"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "1988,"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "a few hours after his death,"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "news of Abu Jihad's killing explodes onto the world's media."}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "Good evening,"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "ladies and gentlemen."}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "Our top story this Saturday morning is the assassination of Abu Jihad."}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "Good evening."}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "The Middle East is again in flames tonight."}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "In Tunis,"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "a team of assassins gunned down the PLO's military leader and Yasser Arafat's top deputy,"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "a guerrilla leader known as Abu Jihad."}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:58", "text": "In the middle of the night,"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "at his residence in Tunis,"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "the PLO's number two was assassinated in front of his wife and daughter."}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "It's squad gunned down the victim,"}, {"end": "00:19:09", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "known as Abu Jihad,"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:09", "text": "at his home in Tunis."}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "The media almost immediately suspects Israel was responsible."}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "In Tel Aviv,"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "as they do after every Mossad operation,"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "the authorities neither confirm or deny the reports."}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "The day after the assassination,"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "Yasser Arafat visits his deputy's home."}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "In Gaza,"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "the Palestinians call for revenge against Israel."}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "In Tel Aviv,"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "Moshe Nisim,"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "the minister who'd persuaded Rabin to support the operation,"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "savors its success."}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "When I returned to the next security cabinet meeting,"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "Yitzhak Rabin asked me to follow him,"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "saying he had something to tell me."}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "And he said,"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "you'll never know just how right you were."}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "The Israelis'"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "morale is very high now."}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "And Sunday,"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "whenever I go out in the car,"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "the people are applauding me."}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "The victory sign."}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "It's really made the people very happy."}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "The morale is so high now."}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "In 1993,"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "the Oslo Accords finally bring the PLO and Israel together to negotiate a peace process."}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "But the reprieve will be brief for the Jewish state."}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "By the mid-1990s,"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "Palestinians opposed to the Oslo process join a new resistance movement taking on Israel,"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "Hamas."}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "Islamist and radical Hamas unleashes a new series of violent attacks against Israel."}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "On the"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "31st of July 1997,"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "a market in Jerusalem is targeted with full force."}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "A suicide bomber kills 14 and injures"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "156 others."}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "The then Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, demands a list of Hamas activists to be killed."}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "His closest military advisor at the time remembers the absolute determination of the Israeli premier."}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "After the attack,"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:51", "text": "the Prime Minister ordered all of the security services to come up with a plan."}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "So all the security services..."}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "Including Shimbait,"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "including military intelligence and Mossad,"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "started doing what they could to get information and find the targets."}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "Benjamin Netanyahu called in all the heads of the intelligence and said,"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "I want a reaction."}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:23", "text": "Give me a list of targets."}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "Now,"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "Shin Bet and military intelligence didn't have anything."}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "Mossad gave,"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "At first,"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "Mossad gave the names of few middle-rank operatives of Hamas in Europe."}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "Netanyahu said,"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "no,"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "no,"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "I don't want these small fish,"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "I want the big sharks."}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "The job of netting the Big Sharks fell to Mishka Ben-David,"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "a former philosophy teacher."}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "And then the head of intelligence for Mossad's clandestine operations."}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "He agrees to be interviewed at home, on the hills above Jerusalem."}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:23:01", "text": "So you want to see the view first?"}, {"end": "00:23:03", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "If you go all the way down there,"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "which is now very hazy,"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "you can see Gaza."}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "You can see the entire width of Israel."}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:15", "text": "Less than 60 kilometers to the sea."}, {"end": "00:23:18", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "Gaza,"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:18", "text": "the West Bank."}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "That's all there is."}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "People don't realize how small Israel is."}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "In 1997,"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "Mishka Ben-David comes up with his own hit list of Hamas officials for the prime minister."}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "For the first time,"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "he talks openly on camera."}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "We made a list of them."}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "And then we went..."}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "To"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to present the list."}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "And Netanyahu,"}, {"end": "00:23:56", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "after reviewing the list,"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "decided that we must go for the heads of Hamas."}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:03", "text": "We studied every attack that had taken place that year."}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "After discussing the issue,"}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "we decided that Khaled Meshal was behind the new wave of bombings and that we had to eliminate him."}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "The target now has a name and a face."}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "Khaled Meshal,"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "then a senior figure inside Hamas."}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "Originally from the occupied territories,"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "he lived in exile in Kuwait before moving to Jordan."}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "According to the Israelis,"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "he had directed operations from Jordan throughout the"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "1990s, ordering dozens of suicide bombings in Israel."}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "He was the head of Hamas's political office,"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "but the term political office is misleading,"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "because it also dealt with the"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "Mukawama, the terrorist actions against Israel."}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "He was the head of the office,"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "highly placed,"}, {"end": "00:25:01", "start": "00:25:01", "text": "we believe,"}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "to be able to order such attacks."}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "Two months after the attack on the market in Jerusalem, the decision is official. Michelle must be eliminated, but there's a problem. Michelle is in Jordan, a country Israel had signed a historic peace treaty with, three"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "years earlier, in 1994."}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "The treaty ended 30 years of confrontation between the two neighbors. On the day of the treaty."}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "President Bill Clinton had flown in to see Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and King Hussein of Jordan to witness the signing in person."}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:46", "text": "This is peace with dignity."}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "This is peace with commitment."}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "This is our gift to our peoples and the generations to come."}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "Given the treaty, it was difficult for Israel to secretly kill an enemy inside Jordan. But for Netanyahu, eliminating Meshau was a national priority. Netanyahu doesn't want it to be an"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "obvious, clear uh operation. Uh we. We call it a mizarash."}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "He didn't want a big operation with explosives and lots of shooting."}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "Netanyahu said,"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "it has to be a quiet mission,"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "even if it's something that maybe you're not familiar with."}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "The operation has to be conducted without anyone knowing."}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "I don't want to risk our relationship with Jordan."}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "Mishka Ben David's men decide the most discreet way to kill Mashal is to poison him."}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "The purpose of the poison was to create a fast,"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "but not too fast,"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "death of Khaled Mashal that could not be traced."}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "That could not be attributed to Mossad, and it would happen hours after. All the operatives that were involved in the operation are all long gone and out of Jordan."}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "But even to poison Mashal means getting close physically."}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "Members of Mossad's assassination squad, therefore, decide to take a look at the offices from where Mashal directs Hamas operations."}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "The original plan was based on using two operatives."}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "They would wait behind one of the walls in Hashem's center until"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "Khaled Mashal comes to work."}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:08", "text": "He exits the car."}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "He starts walking up the stairs towards his office."}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:13", "text": "They follow him,"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "and then one of them is holding the canister with the poison."}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "The other one is holding a well-shaken canister."}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "Coca-Cola can One agent is spraying Khaled Mashal back head with the poison, and at the same time, the other agent opens the coca-cola can and spraying coca-cola all over Khaled Mashal."}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "Mashal feels something wet in his, on his head, he turns around and all he sees is one or two embarrassed tourists."}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "Canadian tourist apologizing,"}, {"end": "00:28:51", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "I'm sorry for spraying you,"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:51", "text": "I'm sorry for ruining your shirt,"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "Do you want any money for the dry cleaning,"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "etc."}, {"end": "00:29:03", "start": "00:28:57", "text": "The purpose of the coca-cola was just to use as a disguise for the moisture of the poison."}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "August 1997,"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "30 days before D-Day."}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "The Mossad hit squad are rehearsing in the open,"}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "in the streets of Tel Aviv."}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "A can of coke in one hand and a..."}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "Pretend poison spray in the other."}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "They practice on random passers-by."}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "When it was implemented dozens and dozens of times in the streets of"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "Israel, it worked."}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "It worked."}, {"end": "00:29:29", "start": "00:29:29", "text": "Yes."}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "They improved it all the time,"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:32", "text": "until they were quite sure that it's going to work in Amman as well."}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "With the killing technique now perfected,"}, {"end": "00:29:43", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "the Mossad team under Mishka Ben-David"}, {"end": "00:29:47", "start": "00:29:43", "text": "is due to head to the Jordanian capital with fake Canadian passports."}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:50", "text": "Here he is pretending to be a tourist,"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "enjoying himself as he visits the archaeological sites in Amman."}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "Were you really visiting that, or it was just for your cover?"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "It's a combination."}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "I wanted to be there and of course, I needed it for my cover."}, {"end": "00:30:10", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "You cannot be for a week a tourist in Jordan and not go anywhere,"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:10", "text": "just to be in the hotel."}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "And that was maybe just the day before, you think?"}, {"end": "00:30:17", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "Could be the day before or two days before."}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "could be."}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "It's definitely not the day after."}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "The operation gets underway."}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "It's the 25th of September, 1997."}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:31", "text": "The agents take up positions near the offices of Khaled Meshal."}, {"end": "00:30:39", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "Mishka Ben David sets up operational"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "HQ at the Intercontinental Hotel."}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:45", "text": "With him is a Mossad doctor."}, {"end": "00:30:48", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "In his bag,"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:48", "text": "an antidote to the poison,"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:50", "text": "in case an agent is infected."}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "Not far away,"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "the two killers wait for the target,"}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "in front of his offices."}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:31:01", "text": "And it's the target himself who now takes up the story."}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "A car pulled up in front of the building."}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "And I noticed two men on the pavement opposite."}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "I watched them."}, {"end": "00:31:26", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "They seemed strange and acted suspiciously."}, {"end": "00:31:29", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "When I got off the car,"}, {"end": "00:31:30", "start": "00:31:29", "text": "instead of heading for my office,"}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "I went round to the other side of the car to let my kids out."}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "I was meant to take them to the hairdressers."}, {"end": "00:31:42", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "And then when I was on the paper,"}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:42", "text": "even before getting to the entrance of the building,"}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "the two men attacked me to my right."}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "It was precisely what I was expecting."}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "They started to spray him with the poison and the Coca-Cola."}, {"end": "00:32:03", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "And instead of hitting the back of his head,"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:32:03", "text": "they hit his ear."}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:05", "text": "I heard this very loud noise in my left ear,"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "and I felt like an electric shock all through my body."}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "The two agents started to run to the other direction."}, {"end": "00:32:19", "start": "00:32:18", "text": "And at the same time,"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:19", "text": "another Hamas operative came and saw the whole happening."}, {"end": "00:32:24", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "And he started to..."}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "Follow the two agents,"}, {"end": "00:32:27", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "the two operatives,"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "that were going towards the getaway car."}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:32", "text": "The car screaming away attracts the attention of a passing driver,"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "a pro-Hammaz sympathizer."}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:38", "text": "Intrigued,"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:39", "text": "he sets off in hot pursuit,"}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:41", "text": "up to the Mossad agents."}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "The car chase winds through the streets of Amman."}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "After 800 meters,"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:49", "text": "the two Israelis,"}, {"end": "00:32:51", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "knowing they're being chased,"}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:51", "text": "leap from the car."}, {"end": "00:33:17", "start": "00:32:53", "text": "They find themselves on some wasteland. Still chased by the Jordanian. The crowd soon forms, trapped by the mob, who forces them to a local police station. The two agents are soon unmasked as masad operatives by Jordanian intelligence services. Who"}, {"end": "00:33:22", "start": "00:33:17", "text": "side at his hotel. Mishka Ben David is unaware he has a serious problem."}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "But that soon changes."}, {"end": "00:33:31", "start": "00:33:29", "text": "I was reading the book by D.H."}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:31", "text": "Salinger at the swimming pool,"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:33", "text": "And then came a figure that belongs to the operational team. And said certain words that had to be said to show that we are connected,"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:49", "text": "and said we have problems."}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:52", "text": "So I got up,"}, {"end": "00:33:55", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "got dressed,"}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "and I was told that the two operatives that conducted the operations were caught by the mob."}, {"end": "00:34:07", "start": "00:34:05", "text": "They did conduct the operation,"}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:07", "text": "but then there was a gathering and they were caught."}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:11", "text": "Two hours after the attack,"}, {"end": "00:34:14", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "Michal's condition is worsening."}, {"end": "00:34:21", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "I started feeling very ill,"}, {"end": "00:34:23", "start": "00:34:21", "text": "nausea at first,"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:23", "text": "and then I lost my balance."}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "I felt very weak."}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "I told my colleagues what had happened."}, {"end": "00:34:41", "start": "00:34:36", "text": "They said I was the victim of a bizarre murder attempt using a very effective method."}, {"end": "00:34:46", "start": "00:34:42", "text": "Later on, we discovered that it was a chemical weapon."}, {"end": "00:34:47", "start": "00:34:46", "text": "So I called,"}, {"end": "00:34:48", "start": "00:34:47", "text": "not from my room,"}, {"end": "00:34:50", "start": "00:34:48", "text": "HQ in Israel,"}, {"end": "00:34:52", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "and"}, {"end": "00:34:55", "start": "00:34:52", "text": "I was told to take the different operatives,"}, {"end": "00:34:58", "start": "00:34:56", "text": "and bring them to the embassy."}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:59", "text": "I knew where each one of them would be,"}, {"end": "00:35:05", "start": "00:35:01", "text": "and I took them one by one and brought them to the embassy."}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:07", "text": "A keep at low key,"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "Mishka Ben-David uses local taxis to get the agents to safety."}, {"end": "00:35:18", "start": "00:35:14", "text": "He doesn't know yet that Jordanian authorities have exposed the other two."}, {"end": "00:35:22", "start": "00:35:20", "text": "One informed King Hussein of Jordan is furious."}, {"end": "00:35:29", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "The king soon receives an important call from Israel."}, {"end": "00:35:33", "start": "00:35:31", "text": "His former chief of staff was present."}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:36", "text": "Prime Minister Netanyahu called his Majesty King Hussein, and he confirmed that what happened to Khalid Mashal was due to an"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "operation by the Mossad to assassinate him."}, {"end": "00:35:55", "start": "00:35:54", "text": "Feeling betrayed and outraged,"}, {"end": "00:36:00", "start": "00:35:55", "text": "King Hussein threatens to tear up the peace treaty he'd signed with Israel three years earlier."}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "Mossad fiasco jeopardizes the stability of the entire region."}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:07", "text": "The day after the operation,"}, {"end": "00:36:11", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "the king summons his government before the national and international media."}, {"end": "00:36:13", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "In front of the cameras,"}, {"end": "00:36:14", "start": "00:36:13", "text": "the message is clear."}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:15", "text": "If Mishael dies of poisoning,"}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "then the Peace Treaty dies with him."}, {"end": "00:36:21", "start": "00:36:19", "text": "One of our brothers..."}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:22", "text": "Has been the victim of a cruel attack. It is totally unacceptable. I've told our international partners that the existence of the peace treaty depends on the life of this"}, {"end": "00:36:43", "start": "00:36:42", "text": "man."}, {"end": "00:36:58", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "King Hussein threatens the Mossad agents who have sought refuge inside the Israeli embassy in Amman."}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:58", "text": "When Khaled Mishael died,"}, {"end": "00:37:01", "start": "00:37:01", "text": "the"}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:37:04", "text": "Israeli embassy was going to be stormed."}, {"end": "00:37:11", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "Our troops came in and positioned themselves around the embassy,"}, {"end": "00:37:16", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "and I informed this to with the ambassador. And he told me,"}, {"end": "00:37:23", "start": "00:37:18", "text": "this is Israeli territory. And according to Geneva conventions, you cannot do that."}, {"end": "00:37:25", "start": "00:37:25", "text": "I said,"}, {"end": "00:37:25", "start": "00:37:25", "text": "well,"}, {"end": "00:37:32", "start": "00:37:27", "text": "if it has become a shelter for people who try to assassinate a Jordanian,"}, {"end": "00:37:37", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "then how is the Geneva Convention going to apply?"}, {"end": "00:37:41", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "Meanwhile, in Amman's military hospital,"}, {"end": "00:37:46", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "Khaled Meshal is affected by a continuing loss of balance and drowsiness."}, {"end": "00:37:49", "start": "00:37:47", "text": "His health is visibly deteriorating."}, {"end": "00:37:54", "start": "00:37:51", "text": "The doctor's prognosis is that he just has a few hours to live."}, {"end": "00:38:00", "start": "00:37:56", "text": "King Hussein instructs his personal doctor to save Khaled Michal's life."}, {"end": "00:38:03", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "There were no signs of any injury."}, {"end": "00:38:05", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "No needle pricks,"}, {"end": "00:38:08", "start": "00:38:06", "text": "no bruises on the skin,"}, {"end": "00:38:09", "start": "00:38:08", "text": "nothing."}, {"end": "00:38:11", "start": "00:38:10", "text": "And examining him,"}, {"end": "00:38:11", "start": "00:38:11", "text": "he..."}, {"end": "00:38:13", "start": "00:38:12", "text": "He wants to sleep."}, {"end": "00:38:13", "start": "00:38:13", "text": "He said,"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:13", "text": "I'm weak."}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:14", "text": "I just want to sleep."}, {"end": "00:38:20", "start": "00:38:16", "text": "And we were talking to him and,"}, {"end": "00:38:20", "start": "00:38:20", "text": "come on,"}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "Mr."}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "Khaled,"}, {"end": "00:38:22", "start": "00:38:22", "text": "take a breath."}, {"end": "00:38:24", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "Open your eyes for me."}, {"end": "00:38:28", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "And the thing which struck me when I examined his eyes,"}, {"end": "00:38:32", "start": "00:38:29", "text": "the pupils were constricted."}, {"end": "00:38:34", "start": "00:38:32", "text": "We call it pinpoint pupils."}, {"end": "00:38:40", "start": "00:38:34", "text": "That gives you more idea that this is a very heavy dose of narcotic."}, {"end": "00:38:42", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "Was in his body."}, {"end": "00:38:48", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "The doctor is certain that Mashal was poisoned with an unknown chemical substance."}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:51", "text": "A Hamas leader is put on an artificial respirator."}, {"end": "00:39:00", "start": "00:38:56", "text": "The Jordanians contact the Israelis again to ask about the chemical and the antidote."}, {"end": "00:39:05", "start": "00:39:01", "text": "The Israeli ambassador called me, and he said he's been on the phone with"}, {"end": "00:39:07", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "Prime Minister Netanyahu,"}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:07", "text": "who refused."}, {"end": "00:39:14", "start": "00:39:09", "text": "To release the chemical that was injected to Mashhad."}, {"end": "00:39:17", "start": "00:39:15", "text": "With Netanyahu being stubborn,"}, {"end": "00:39:23", "start": "00:39:18", "text": "King Hussein plays one last card and calls President Bill Clinton in Washington."}, {"end": "00:39:25", "start": "00:39:24", "text": "With peace at stake,"}, {"end": "00:39:27", "start": "00:39:25", "text": "the conversation is crucial."}, {"end": "00:39:29", "start": "00:39:28", "text": "President Clinton was very upset."}, {"end": "00:39:35", "start": "00:39:31", "text": "He listened very carefully to what King Hussein had to say,"}, {"end": "00:39:37", "start": "00:39:37", "text": "and..."}, {"end": "00:39:39", "start": "00:39:39", "text": "He said,"}, {"end": "00:39:40", "start": "00:39:40", "text": "referring to"}, {"end": "00:39:44", "start": "00:39:41", "text": "Netanyahu, This man is impossible."}, {"end": "00:39:46", "start": "00:39:45", "text": "Now,"}, {"end": "00:39:59", "start": "00:39:46", "text": "he activated all his government offices and the American ambassador to put pressure on the Israeli government. To have them come up with the antidote and with the chemical that was injected to"}, {"end": "00:40:00", "start": "00:40:00", "text": "Mashan."}, {"end": "00:40:03", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "With its back to the wall,"}, {"end": "00:40:05", "start": "00:40:03", "text": "the Israeli government panics."}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:06", "text": "The lives of the two Mossad agents are threatened."}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "To save them,"}, {"end": "00:40:14", "start": "00:40:11", "text": "they have to provide the antidote that will save Mishal."}, {"end": "00:40:21", "start": "00:40:17", "text": "When the head of Mossad told us that the mission had failed,"}, {"end": "00:40:24", "start": "00:40:22", "text": "the prime Minister asked,"}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:25", "text": "What's happened to our people?"}, {"end": "00:40:31", "start": "00:40:31", "text": "The answer was,"}, {"end": "00:40:33", "start": "00:40:33", "text": "there's a problem."}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:35", "text": "My minister then said,"}, {"end": "00:40:41", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "I don't care about the rest of it,"}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:42", "text": "just get our two men home at all costs."}, {"end": "00:40:46", "start": "00:40:45", "text": "If we have to save Mashal,"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "so be it."}, {"end": "00:40:52", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "The mission becomes saving the two operatives."}, {"end": "00:40:55", "start": "00:40:53", "text": "The means is reviving Mashal."}, {"end": "00:40:59", "start": "00:40:57", "text": "Saving their worst enemy's life."}, {"end": "00:41:01", "start": "00:40:59", "text": "In all his 12 years at Mossad,"}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "this was a first for Mishka Ben-David."}, {"end": "00:41:10", "start": "00:41:08", "text": "From his hotel room and with a Mossad doctor,"}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:10", "text": "he will play the vital role in deciding the outcome of the affair."}, {"end": "00:41:17", "start": "00:41:15", "text": "Both men have a file containing the antidote."}, {"end": "00:41:23", "start": "00:41:19", "text": "Then I got a call from the head of operations, saying,"}, {"end": "00:41:24", "start": "00:41:23", "text": "go down to the lobby."}, {"end": "00:41:27", "start": "00:41:26", "text": "With the doctor."}, {"end": "00:41:30", "start": "00:41:28", "text": "There is a person from the Jordanian security,"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:30", "text": "his name is Captain Firas."}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:33", "text": "Give him the antidote,"}, {"end": "00:41:37", "start": "00:41:34", "text": "and the doctor should go with him and inject it to Masha."}, {"end": "00:41:45", "start": "00:41:42", "text": "He was in uniforms and I went,"}, {"end": "00:41:45", "start": "00:41:45", "text": "I said,"}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:45", "text": "Captain Firas?"}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:46", "text": "He said,"}, {"end": "00:41:47", "start": "00:41:47", "text": "yes."}, {"end": "00:41:48", "start": "00:41:47", "text": "So I said,"}, {"end": "00:41:51", "start": "00:41:48", "text": "here is the antidote and here is the doctor."}, {"end": "00:41:54", "start": "00:41:52", "text": "And he was here,"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:54", "text": "he had a very,"}, {"end": "00:41:58", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "very severe look on his face."}, {"end": "00:42:01", "start": "00:41:58", "text": "I wouldn't call it a hateful look,"}, {"end": "00:42:02", "start": "00:42:01", "text": "but very,"}, {"end": "00:42:02", "start": "00:42:02", "text": "very severe."}, {"end": "00:42:08", "start": "00:42:03", "text": "And we didn't have any conversation except of this."}, {"end": "00:42:25", "start": "00:42:11", "text": "It is a very strange situation in the middle of an operation. To actually hand yourself over to them and to have the doctor even go with them to inject it to Mashaf."}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:26", "text": "The discussion between the Israeli and the Jordanian is curt."}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "The Mossad doctor is taken by the security services to give the antidote to the hospital director."}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:40", "text": "He gave me two vials with adrenaline written on them."}, {"end": "00:42:45", "start": "00:42:45", "text": "But"}, {"end": "00:42:49", "start": "00:42:46", "text": "Ali told me, we're going to use this."}, {"end": "00:42:56", "start": "00:42:50", "text": "So I immediately I thought, we're not going to use anything unless we know what it is,"}, {"end": "00:43:00", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "because it could be the poison. And we could finish him off with it."}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:03", "text": "Jordanians are wary and don't want to take any risks."}, {"end": "00:43:10", "start": "00:43:07", "text": "They send the Mossad vials to a laboratory for analysis."}, {"end": "00:43:13", "start": "00:43:10", "text": "Two hours later,"}, {"end": "00:43:16", "start": "00:43:13", "text": "the analysis shows it is indeed antidote for the poison."}, {"end": "00:43:20", "start": "00:43:19", "text": "After being injected,"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:20", "text": "Michal slowly recovers from his coma."}, {"end": "00:43:27", "start": "00:43:25", "text": "The Hamas leader comes back to life."}, {"end": "00:43:36", "start": "00:43:31", "text": "Only later do the Jordanians discover the poison was specially prepared for this one mission."}, {"end": "00:43:39", "start": "00:43:37", "text": "It's not used in medicine."}, {"end": "00:43:45", "start": "00:43:39", "text": "It is a synthetic narcotic, like the drug which we use,"}, {"end": "00:43:46", "start": "00:43:45", "text": "the fentanyl."}, {"end": "00:43:52", "start": "00:43:47", "text": "And if fentanyl, which we use, is 100 times more powerful than morphine,"}, {"end": "00:43:56", "start": "00:43:53", "text": "imagine this drug is more powerful than the fentanyl."}, {"end": "00:43:58", "start": "00:43:57", "text": "So we don't know how much."}, {"end": "00:44:02", "start": "00:43:58", "text": "Maybe it's used for elephants or something like this, to put an elephant to sleep."}, {"end": "00:44:11", "start": "00:44:06", "text": "On the afternoon of 26th September 1997, Khaled Meshal's life is saved."}, {"end": "00:44:24", "start": "00:44:17", "text": "For Mishka Ben David, his enemy's resurrection is ironically good news, even if the mission was apparently failure."}, {"end": "00:44:27", "start": "00:44:26", "text": "We failed in it."}, {"end": "00:44:33", "start": "00:44:28", "text": "Actually, the operatives succeeded in the operation but were caught."}, {"end": "00:44:36", "start": "00:44:34", "text": "Marshall was on his way to the other world,"}, {"end": "00:44:44", "start": "00:44:36", "text": "but we had to reverse the trend and to bring him back to life."}, {"end": "00:44:46", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "I'm alive,"}, {"end": "00:44:48", "start": "00:44:46", "text": "but no thanks to the Israelis."}, {"end": "00:44:51", "start": "00:44:48", "text": "Their original objective had been to kill me."}, {"end": "00:44:52", "start": "00:44:51", "text": "But they failed."}, {"end": "00:44:55", "start": "00:44:52", "text": "And I'm still here because God wanted it that way."}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:57", "text": "And also because of my bodyguards and the courage of King Hussein."}, {"end": "00:45:06", "start": "00:45:04", "text": "Shaken by the whole incident and still furious,"}, {"end": "00:45:09", "start": "00:45:06", "text": "King Hussein still has the two Mossad agents in custody."}, {"end": "00:45:11", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "In exchange for their freedom,"}, {"end": "00:45:17", "start": "00:45:11", "text": "he demands the release of 50 Palestinian political prisoners being held in Israeli jails."}, {"end": "00:45:19", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "Israel accepts the deal."}, {"end": "00:45:21", "start": "00:45:20", "text": "Two days later,"}, {"end": "00:45:23", "start": "00:45:21", "text": "two helicopters fly over Amman."}, {"end": "00:45:26", "start": "00:45:23", "text": "One is flying in the released Palestinians to Jordan."}, {"end": "00:45:32", "start": "00:45:28", "text": "The other is heading in the opposite direction with the two Mossad agents."}, {"end": "00:45:40", "start": "00:45:36", "text": "Israel has one more humiliation to undergo when it's forced to free the founder of Hamas,"}, {"end": "00:45:42", "start": "00:45:41", "text": "the aged sheikh Ahmed Yassin,"}, {"end": "00:45:45", "start": "00:45:43", "text": "who had been in prison for eight years."}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:45", "text": "A few days after the Mashal affair,"}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:47", "text": "the handicapped Sheikh is given a hero's welcome by the King of Jordan,"}, {"end": "00:45:55", "start": "00:45:52", "text": "and later he returns triumphantly to Gaza."}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:56", "text": "It's a double blow for Mossad."}, {"end": "00:45:59", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "Mashal is alive,"}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:46:00", "text": "and Sheikh Yassin,"}, {"end": "00:46:01", "start": "00:46:01", "text": "a free man."}, {"end": "00:46:06", "start": "00:46:02", "text": "Nobody should underestimate what it took for Israel."}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:06", "text": "First, to admit doing that,"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "give the antidote to Khaled Mashal,"}, {"end": "00:46:15", "start": "00:46:12", "text": "and release Sheikh Ahmed Yassin from prison."}, {"end": "00:46:17", "start": "00:46:15", "text": "This is a major humiliation from Israel."}, {"end": "00:46:21", "start": "00:46:20", "text": "It was a failure,"}, {"end": "00:46:22", "start": "00:46:21", "text": "that's true."}, {"end": "00:46:27", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "And the biggest disappointment is the fact that Khaled Mashal is still alive."}, {"end": "00:46:29", "start": "00:46:28", "text": "That's the biggest failure of the mission."}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:31", "text": "And then we had to liberate Sheikh Yassin."}, {"end": "00:46:35", "start": "00:46:33", "text": "But we liquidated him a few years later."}, {"end": "00:46:38", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "So that score was finally settled."}, {"end": "00:46:48", "start": "00:46:41", "text": "A score indeed settled seven years later, when three Israeli missiles strike the Hamas founder as he leaves his home."}, {"end": "00:46:49", "start": "00:46:48", "text": "In Gaza,"}, {"end": "00:46:53", "start": "00:46:49", "text": "200,000 Palestinians attempt the funeral of the Sheikh."}, {"end": "00:46:56", "start": "00:46:55", "text": "In the crowd,"}, {"end": "00:46:57", "start": "00:46:56", "text": "as fate would have it,"}, {"end": "00:46:59", "start": "00:46:58", "text": "is Khaled Meshal,"}, {"end": "00:47:05", "start": "00:46:59", "text": "the man whose narrow escape from Mossad now means he's lived to become the new leader of Hamas."}, {"end": "00:47:21", "start": "00:47:06", "text": "But a leader who's returned to a life in exile, this time in Qatar. In December 2012, he returned as a hero to the Palestinian lands he'd left 37 years earlier. It's the first time in 37 years that"}, {"end": "00:47:33", "start": "00:47:22", "text": "I'm in Palestine, and the very first time I've ever been to Gaza. Do you think he's still on the?"}, {"end": "00:47:37", "start": "00:47:33", "text": "I don't know if he's on the list or not."}, {"end": "00:47:39", "start": "00:47:37", "text": "I don't know what the list is now."}, {"end": "00:47:40", "start": "00:47:39", "text": "What is the list now?"}, {"end": "00:47:41", "start": "00:47:40", "text": "I have no idea."}, {"end": "00:47:44", "start": "00:47:42", "text": "I think that whenever Israel decides,"}, {"end": "00:47:46", "start": "00:47:44", "text": "if Israel will decide to eliminate him,"}, {"end": "00:47:47", "start": "00:47:47", "text": "Israel can do so."}, {"end": "00:47:54", "start": "00:47:51", "text": "Remember that it was done before."}, {"end": "00:47:59", "start": "00:47:54", "text": "The fact that we had to bring back to life is another issue."}, {"end": "00:48:04", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "But he was killed before."}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:05", "text": "And so this is a fact."}, {"end": "00:48:14", "start": "00:48:12", "text": "On the 19th of February 2010,"}, {"end": "00:48:18", "start": "00:48:14", "text": "Mossad will stage one of its most spectacular operations."}, {"end": "00:48:22", "start": "00:48:19", "text": "And under the very gaze of dozens of security cameras,"}, {"end": "00:48:24", "start": "00:48:23", "text": "it's a world's first."}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:28", "text": "In this Dubai hotel, the Mossad HIP team are tracking Mahmoud el Mabhou,"}, {"end": "00:48:34", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "a Hamas leader."}, {"end": "00:48:50", "start": "00:48:44", "text": "El Mabhou is suspected of smuggling weapons from Iran into Gaza for use by Hamas's armed brigades."}, {"end": "00:49:01", "start": "00:49:00", "text": "On the day of the attack,"}, {"end": "00:49:03", "start": "00:49:01", "text": "the Mossad unit is led by this bald man,"}, {"end": "00:49:05", "start": "00:49:04", "text": "carrying a French passport."}, {"end": "00:49:08", "start": "00:49:07", "text": "At the start of the operation,"}, {"end": "00:49:14", "start": "00:49:08", "text": "one of the team members stops inside a bathroom to put on a wig and change appearances."}, {"end": "00:49:18", "start": "00:49:17", "text": "A few moments later,"}, {"end": "00:49:20", "start": "00:49:19", "text": "the assassins enter the hotel."}, {"end": "00:49:24", "start": "00:49:24", "text": "Offscreen,"}, {"end": "00:49:28", "start": "00:49:24", "text": "they'll break into the Hamas leader's room and wait for their prey."}, {"end": "00:49:35", "start": "00:49:35", "text": "At"}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:36", "text": "6.40pm, Al Mabhou gets back to his room."}, {"end": "00:49:42", "start": "00:49:40", "text": "These are the last images showing him alive."}, {"end": "00:49:45", "start": "00:49:45", "text": "Inside,"}, {"end": "00:49:47", "start": "00:49:45", "text": "the Mossad team is waiting."}, {"end": "00:49:50", "start": "00:49:49", "text": "After tying him up,"}, {"end": "00:49:52", "start": "00:49:50", "text": "they inject a neuromuscular relaxant."}, {"end": "00:49:55", "start": "00:49:53", "text": "His death will appear to be of natural causes."}, {"end": "00:49:57", "start": "00:49:56", "text": "One by one,"}, {"end": "00:49:58", "start": "00:49:57", "text": "his muscles are paralyzed."}, {"end": "00:50:01", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "It's painful and takes some time."}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "Could the agents not have known the hotel was littered with surveillance cameras?"}, {"end": "00:50:18", "start": "00:50:18", "text": "In this video,"}, {"end": "00:50:22", "start": "00:50:18", "text": "one of the agents looks directly at one of the hotel cameras."}, {"end": "00:50:27", "start": "00:50:24", "text": "Throughout the entire operation and on their passport photos,"}, {"end": "00:50:31", "start": "00:50:28", "text": "all the agents are heavily disguised so as not to be identified."}, {"end": "00:50:33", "start": "00:50:32", "text": "False names."}, {"end": "00:50:35", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "False noses."}, {"end": "00:50:37", "start": "00:50:36", "text": "False eyebrows."}, {"end": "00:50:38", "start": "00:50:37", "text": "False beards."}, {"end": "00:51:02", "start": "00:50:41", "text": "One person we spoke to confirmed this was the case. Yarin Sharif is a makeup artist working in fashion. As a sideline. He also helped disguise Israel's secret agents for 18 years. For"}, {"end": "00:51:10", "start": "00:51:02", "text": "the first time, he speaks publicly about his regular work with Masad. He says the interview was done with the knowledge and approval of the authorities."}, {"end": "00:51:18", "start": "00:51:12", "text": "Even if I'm accredited to the Defense Ministry,"}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:18", "text": "I try not to ask too many questions."}, {"end": "00:51:29", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "All I want to know is what concerns the country or where the Mossad agents will be operating."}, {"end": "00:51:34", "start": "00:51:31", "text": "I don't want to make these people feel uncomfortable by forcing them to talk."}, {"end": "00:51:35", "start": "00:51:34", "text": "The less, you know,"}, {"end": "00:51:36", "start": "00:51:35", "text": "the better."}, {"end": "00:51:39", "start": "00:51:37", "text": "If you put makeup on someone who's going to a Muslim country,"}, {"end": "00:51:41", "start": "00:51:41", "text": "this beard,"}, {"end": "00:51:42", "start": "00:51:42", "text": "for example,"}, {"end": "00:51:44", "start": "00:51:42", "text": "will help disguise them as a cleric."}, {"end": "00:51:59", "start": "00:51:48", "text": "But I don't like that. Actually. What I'm interested in doing, uh, is what's needed, what's specially adapted, specific makeup for the country they'll be going to."}, {"end": "00:52:07", "start": "00:52:02", "text": "Yarin Sheriff knows that the agent's lives could depend on the quality of his work."}, {"end": "00:52:12", "start": "00:52:11", "text": "You have to appreciate,"}, {"end": "00:52:12", "start": "00:52:12", "text": "this isn't a joke."}, {"end": "00:52:14", "start": "00:52:13", "text": "I stick a little beard on,"}, {"end": "00:52:15", "start": "00:52:14", "text": "of course,"}, {"end": "00:52:17", "start": "00:52:15", "text": "But their lives are at risk."}, {"end": "00:52:25", "start": "00:52:22", "text": "The makeup artist says he wasn't involved in the Dubai operation,"}, {"end": "00:52:27", "start": "00:52:25", "text": "but it's impossible to check."}, {"end": "00:52:31", "start": "00:52:28", "text": "But Yarin Sharaf is very familiar with the methods employed by the commandos,"}, {"end": "00:52:34", "start": "00:52:32", "text": "such as going into the bathroom to put on a wig."}, {"end": "00:52:38", "start": "00:52:34", "text": "It's a technique he's been teaching the Mossad agents since the mid-1990s."}, {"end": "00:52:53", "start": "00:52:49", "text": "I sometimes teach them about adopting six or seven different looks."}, {"end": "00:52:57", "start": "00:52:54", "text": "The person has to learn how to change looks very quickly."}, {"end": "00:53:00", "start": "00:52:59", "text": "If I give them a special glue,"}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:53:00", "text": "I also need to give them a means to take it off in just a few seconds."}, {"end": "00:53:05", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "It has to be 100%"}, {"end": "00:53:06", "start": "00:53:05", "text": "natural."}, {"end": "00:53:09", "start": "00:53:06", "text": "The person has also to be 100%"}, {"end": "00:53:12", "start": "00:53:09", "text": "competent in changing appearances again and as quickly as possible."}, {"end": "00:53:17", "start": "00:53:16", "text": "According to Yarin Sharath,"}, {"end": "00:53:20", "start": "00:53:17", "text": "Mossad sometimes even gives its agents new teeth,"}, {"end": "00:53:29", "start": "00:53:21", "text": "a technique probably used by some of the 20 agents sent to Dubai in January 2010."}, {"end": "00:53:29", "start": "00:53:29", "text": "These are less frequent."}, {"end": "00:53:32", "start": "00:53:30", "text": "You can change the whole plaque,"}, {"end": "00:53:33", "start": "00:53:32", "text": "which a dentist can work on."}, {"end": "00:53:39", "start": "00:53:33", "text": "You make a cut of the person's mouth with a model like this one,"}, {"end": "00:53:41", "start": "00:53:40", "text": "and then you put the new teeth in."}, {"end": "00:54:00", "start": "00:53:45", "text": "At the end of the training program, the makeup artist subjects his pupils to one final test. The last test we do is that after the training with me and my team here at my house, the agent has to disguise himself and"}, {"end": "00:54:14", "start": "00:54:00", "text": "then visit his mother or father. Yarin Sharap is one of a group of Israelis who are happy to make their professional skills available to Mossad."}, {"end": "00:54:32", "start": "00:54:15", "text": "Its special teams, special ops that are often spectacular. But that now make the finger of suspicion point at Mossad. Whenever someone mysteriously disappears in the Middle East. One"}, {"end": "00:54:43", "start": "00:54:32", "text": "last thought Did Israel murder Yasser Arafat? Mr. Yasser Arafat, the President of the Palestinian Authority, has died"}, {"end": "00:54:46", "start": "00:54:44", "text": "at the Persi Military Training Hospital in Clermont."}, {"end": "00:54:48", "start": "00:54:46", "text": "In 2004,"}, {"end": "00:54:49", "start": "00:54:49", "text": "a"}, {"end": "00:54:56", "start": "00:54:51", "text": "Palestinian leader dies in a hospital in a suburb of Paris as a result of a mysterious illness."}, {"end": "00:54:59", "start": "00:54:57", "text": "Mossad is suspected immediately."}, {"end": "00:55:03", "start": "00:55:01", "text": "In July 2012,"}, {"end": "00:55:06", "start": "00:55:03", "text": "a laboratory in Lausanne says it has found traces of polonium,"}, {"end": "00:55:07", "start": "00:55:06", "text": "a radioactive element,"}, {"end": "00:55:09", "start": "00:55:07", "text": "on Arafat's clothing."}, {"end": "00:55:11", "start": "00:55:10", "text": "To allow further analysis,"}, {"end": "00:55:17", "start": "00:55:11", "text": "the body of the longtime PLO leader is exhumed in November 2012."}, {"end": "00:55:18", "start": "00:55:17", "text": "Today,"}, {"end": "00:55:19", "start": "00:55:18", "text": "the cause of his death is still unknown."}, {"end": "00:55:21", "start": "00:55:20", "text": "But to the Palestinians,"}, {"end": "00:55:23", "start": "00:55:21", "text": "Israel remains the number one suspect."}, {"end": "00:55:26", "start": "00:55:25", "text": "One day,"}, {"end": "00:55:30", "start": "00:55:26", "text": "analysis or witnesses might shed light on whether Arafat,"}, {"end": "00:55:30", "start": "00:55:30", "text": "too,"}, {"end": "00:55:33", "start": "00:55:30", "text": "was a victim of the notorious Hebrew proverb,"}, {"end": "00:55:34", "start": "00:55:33", "text": "He who comes to kill you,"}, {"end": "00:55:37", "start": "00:55:35", "text": "get up early and kill them first."}]

[{"end": "00:00:04", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "What we're looking at here is a fire"}, {"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "that gutted one of Poland's biggest"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "shopping malls. A blaze the Polish"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "government believes Russian saboturs"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "probably started. If confirmed, the fire"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "would be just one in a long line of"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "Russian sabotage attacks in Europe in"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "recent years, which experts say amounts"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "to a shadow war being waged by Moscow."}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "In the last 12 months alone, Kremlin"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "agents are thought to have set off"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "explosions, plotted murders, severed"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "undersea cables, and jammed aircraft"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "navigation across the continent. So,"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "what exactly has Russia been up to? Why"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "has it been carrying out the attacks?"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "And perhaps most importantly, are they"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "working? We're going to examine the"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "tapes, give you the big picture, and"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "speak to an expert to find out. Here's"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "Europe, the crossroads of the world, a"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "cultural melting pot that has a habit of"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "boiling over and is no stranger to"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "conflict. For the last 3 years, the war"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "dividing Europe has been taking place in"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "Ukraine. On the one side is Russia. The"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "country is huge, has a large population,"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "a multi- trillion dollar economy, and at"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "least until the war started, a military"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "to dwarf all others. But its list of"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "European allies is short. These"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "countries cannot provide Moscow with"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "much help to win the war. On the other"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "side is Ukraine. It is one of Europe's"}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "largest countries geographically, but"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "with a much smaller population, economy,"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "and military than its eastern neighbor."}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "Its list of friends, however, is much"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "longer, encompassing all of the richest"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "and most powerful countries on the"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "continent, aside from Russia itself."}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "These countries have been pumping"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "weapons and money into Ukraine since the"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "first day of the war. Without their"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "help, Ukraine would be in danger of"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "losing. Breaking up this alliance is"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "therefore a key goal of Russia's, which"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "is where the shadow war comes in."}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "According to researchers at US think"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "tank CSIS, here's every suspected or"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "confirmed Russian sabotage attack that"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "took place in Europe between 2022, when"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "the Ukraine war started, and March of"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "2025. That's a lot of attacks, 49 to be"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "specific. And the trend is very much"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "upwards. CSIS logged just three attacks"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "during the first year of the war, 12 the"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "following year, and then a whopping 34"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "in 2024. And this almost certainly isn't"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "all of them. This list only includes"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "those disclosed publicly and doesn't"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "include cyber attacks unless they caused"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "physical damage, which most of them"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "don't. The fire we just witnessed took"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "place here in Warsaw, the capital of"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "Poland. Poland is a key ally of Ukraine."}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "It has donated more tanks than anyone"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "else, taken in millions of refugees, and"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "it is through Poland that all other"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "military aid to Kiev passes. It is"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "perhaps no surprise then to learn that"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "it was also one of the most targeted"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "nations when it came to sabotage"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "attacks. Researchers logged 10 of them,"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "which ranged from fires to assassination"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "plots, hack attacks, and even weaponized"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "migrants. We're not going to go through"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "all of them here, but we will pick out a"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "few that help explain trends the"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "researchers identified elsewhere. Aside"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "from the shopping center fire in Warsaw,"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "another blaze that's worth examining"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "happened at a DHL warehouse in Yabwanov,"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "just outside the capital. The warehouse"}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "was satellite and burned for 2 hours"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "because an electric back massager that"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "had been rigged to explode and stuffed"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "with magnesium, which burns very hot and"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "is very difficult to put out. The fire"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "itself was nowhere near as dramatic as"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "the shopping mall, but investigators"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "believe it was only a test run. The real"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "target were airplanes bound for the US"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "and Canada. Prosecutors say agents from"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "Russia's GRU, the intelligence branch of"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "the military, intended to mail these"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "massages across the Atlantic before"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "setting them alite mid-flight. And"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "Yabwanov was not the only warehouse"}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "where a practice run took place. Almost"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "identical fires also broke out in"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "Birmingham in the UK and in Lezique in"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "Germany. Three things are worth noting"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "here. First, the involvement of the GRU."}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "This is Russia's go-to agency for"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "carrying out covert missions overseas,"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "and they are thought to be behind the"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "vast majority of these sabotage attacks,"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "even if they sometimes recruited locals"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "to actually carry them out. You may"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "recognize the GRU from their earlier"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "work, the attempted poisoning of Sergey"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "and Julius Screal in the UK in 2018 and"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "a program that paid Afghan militants to"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "attack US soldiers that ran from 2016"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "until America withdrew from the country"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "in 2021."}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "Second is the method incendiary devices"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "or explosives. CSIS say this is Russia's"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "favorite method of sabotage, accounting"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "for over a third of the attacks they"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "logged. Aside from the shopping center"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "and the DHL warehouse we've just seen,"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "major fires also broke out at a"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "warehouse belonging to Deal Group here"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "in Berlin. They're an arms maker whose"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "weapons are used in Ukraine. as are BAE"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "Systems, which saw a fire at one of"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "their sites in the UK, and MCO, which"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "saw explosions at two ammunition storage"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "facilities in Bulgaria. Third is the"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "target, transportation. This was also a"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "favorite for the GRU, accounting for"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "around a fifth of the attacks, though"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "sometimes via different methods. For"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "example, Poland's railways, the main way"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "that military aid to Ukraine crosses the"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "border, were also hit. This time,"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "hackers used cheap radio transmitters to"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "send signals to Polish trains that"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "caused them to slam on their emergency"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "brakes. Airplanes were also hit using"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "GPS jammers, which interfered with their"}, {"end": "00:05:45", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "communications and caused flights to"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "veer off course. Russia has made"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:45", "text": "widespread use of such jammers to"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "interfere with military communications"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "in Ukraine and attacks on civilian"}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "aircraft occurred in the same vicinity."}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "Estonia, Finland, Lithuania, Norway, and"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "Poland. Moscow claims no responsibility"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "for these attacks, though in some cases"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "it isn't hard to guess who's behind"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "them. In the case of the Polish trains,"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "the signal that disabled them was"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "broadcast alongside snippets of the"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "Russian national anthem. But in other"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "cases, the attacks are much harder to"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "attribute, casting a pool of suspicion"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "over virtually any fire or malfunction"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "of critical infrastructure in Europe. If"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "we go back to the tapes, we can see how"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "these mind games work. Here's a fire"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "that broke out at an electrical"}, {"end": "00:06:32", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "substation which serves London's Heathro"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "airport in March 2025, shutting the"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:32", "text": "airport down. Britain said it has found"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "no evidence of Russian involvement, but"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "experts warned the blaze bore all the"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "hallmarks of sabotage. Russian Security"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "Council head Dmitri Medvidev even mocked"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "the UK Prime Minister over the attack,"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "saying he looked forward to taking the"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "blame. Then there's the recent power"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "outages in Spain and Portugal, which"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "plunged the countries into darkness for"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "several days. The cause is under"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "investigation, and while no clear-cut"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "evidence of Russian involvement has been"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "found so far, questions were inevitably"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "asked. There's also three other tactics"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "that researchers picked up on which are"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "worth discussing. The first is"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "assassination plots. The most serious of"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "these involved plans to attack President"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "Zilinski at an airport in Poland, Jesu,"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "that is the nerve center for the war in"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "Ukraine. GRU agents are thought to have"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "recruited a local man to gather"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "intelligence on the airport for a later"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "attempt on Zilinsk's life, but the plot"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "was exposed and the man arrested."}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "Another targeted Armen Papa Papager, the"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "CEO of German arms maker Ry Metal, which"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "has been a vital supplier of artillery"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "shells to Ukraine. Though Papagger is"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "the only known target, NATO said other"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "plots existed and were also foiled. One"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "plot which succeeded was the killing of"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "Maxim Kmininov, a Russian helicopter"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "pilot who defected to Ukraine in 2023"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "along with his aircraft and a stash of"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "secret documents. Kmininov was shot six"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "times in the parking garage of an"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "apartment where he was living in Spain"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "just here and then run over with a car."}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "The assassins clearly meant to send a"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "message because they left behind shell"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "casings from a 9mm Macarov bullet,"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "standardisssue ammunition for the Soviet"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "Union and Russia. Then there's"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "weaponized migrants. This is a novel"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "tactic that was first deployed by Russia"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "and Belarus back in 2021, months before"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "the Ukraine war started. Moscow and"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "Minsk lured migrants from the Middle"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "East and North Africa to their"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "territory, then pushed them across the"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "border into Poland and the Baltics,"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "attempting to manufacture a crisis like"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "the one in the Mediterranean. The target"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "countries responded by building border"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "defenses and forcing the migrants back."}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "That caused attempted crossings to"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "decrease, but never back to pre-crisis"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "levels. In 2024, while the war was in"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "full swing, attempted crossings began"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "rising again and a new country, Finland,"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "was added to the target list. While this"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "tactic is relatively rare, it is unique"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "and shows just how far Russia and its"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "allies are prepared to go in their"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "shadow war against Europe. Finally,"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "there's another novel tactic that is far"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "more common, undersea cable sabotage."}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "This tactic is novel because until"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "relatively recently, undersea cables"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "were not a key part of national"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "infrastructure. But today, they carry"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "95% of internet traffic required for"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "daily life to function, including"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "financial trades worth 10 trillion"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "dollars every single day. This map shows"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "just how many there are in Europe alone."}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "Russia's sabotage campaign against these"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "cables has focused up here in the"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "Baltics, where at least nine such"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "attacks were logged. The method is basic"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "but effective. Russia employs a shadow"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "fleet of cargo ships which are illicitly"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "transporting its sanctioned oil to sever"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "the cables. They do this by dragging"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "their anchors across the seafloor which"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "are heavy enough to sever the cables as"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "they pass. Oil tanker Eagle S, Chinese"}, {"end": "00:10:02", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "flagged vessel Yeping 3, which had a"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "Russian captain and the Ven were all"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:02", "text": "implicated in cable cutting incidents"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "like this within three months of one"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "another. Russian spy ships have also"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "been caught mapping undersea"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "infrastructure for possible future"}, {"end": "00:10:17", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "attacks, including one ship, the Yantar,"}, {"end": "00:10:19", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "that entered British waters twice. The"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:17", "text": "Yantar was spotted loitering off the"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:19", "text": "coast of Cornwall and then again in the"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "North Sea, the location of critical"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "cables and energy pipelines. If we go"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "back to the tapes, we can see the UK"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "defense secretary warning Parliament"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "about these incursions. I also wanted to"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "confirm to the house that I authorized a"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "Royal Navy submarine strictly as a"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "deterrent measure to surface close to"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "Yantar to make clear that we had been"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "covertly monitoring its every move. The"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "ship then left UK waters without further"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "loitering and sailed down to the"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "Mediterranean. What Mr. Healey just"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "revealed is that the Yantar was chased"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "out of British waters by what we now"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "know was a nuclearpowered submarine, an"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "incredibly rare public disclosure of"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "information about the UK's highly"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "secretive nuclear fleet. He then issued"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "a direct warning to Russia. We see you."}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "We know what you're doing and we will"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "not shy away from robust action to"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "protect this country. But what exactly"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "is Russia's goal here? What is President"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "Putin trying to achieve with these"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "attacks? The answer lies in Russia's"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "Soviet past. Starting at the end of"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "World War II and lasting until the"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "1990s, America, its allies, and the"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "Soviet Union were locked in a"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "geopolitical competition known as the"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "Cold War. Whilst these ideological"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "enemies wielded some of the largest"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "armies the world has ever seen, they"}, {"end": "00:11:51", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "wanted to avoid actually fighting each"}, {"end": "00:11:53", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "other because of nuclear weapons. The"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:51", "text": "destructive power of these bombs was so"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:53", "text": "great that it was feared a nuclear war"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "would spell the end of life on Earth as"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "we know it. So they had to develop means"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "short of allout war that they could use"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "against one another. The CIA referred to"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "this as political warfare. For the KGB,"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "it was known as active measures. These"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "might beformational or psychological,"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "for example, disinformation or"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "propaganda. Propaganda was broadly"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "divided into three types. First was"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "white propaganda where the source of the"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "information is clearly identified. For"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "example, a state-run TV station. Second"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "is gray propaganda where the source is"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "intentionally obscured so nobody is sure"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "where the information came from. And"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "then there's black propaganda where the"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "information is falsely attributed so"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "that people believe it came from its"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "intended target. For example, the"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "Soviets issued messages claiming to be"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "from resistance movements within the"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "Union in order to derail those"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "movements. Or as the name active"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "measures suggests, they could be more"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "well active. For example, compromat"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "operations where KGB agents built up"}, {"end": "00:13:03", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "dossiers of compromising information on"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "politicians or other powerful elites,"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:03", "text": "then used that to blackmail them, or"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "targeted assassinations against"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "opponents of the regime or dissident"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "within. Whichever method was used, the"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "aim was the same. To trick, intimidate,"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "or force opponents of the Soviet Union"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "to act in a way that weakens them,"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "strengthen the USSR, or both. Vladimir"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "Putin, who spent the early part of his"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "career in the KGB, would have been"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "well-versed in active measures. He was"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "deployed in East Berlin, the front line"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "of the Cold War, right up until the"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, and he"}, {"end": "00:13:39", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "returned home to pursue a career in"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "politics. Now, Putin seems to be using"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:39", "text": "his old Cold War training in the modern"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "era. Whilst we can't know for certain,"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "it seems likely the Kremlin has"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "authorized the GRU to engage in a"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "campaign of active measures against"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "European nations who support Ukraine."}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "The goal today, as it was back then, is"}, {"end": "00:13:59", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "to trick or coers those backing"}, {"end": "00:14:01", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "Ukraine's war effort into scaling back"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:59", "text": "or dropping their support. Some"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:01", "text": "measures, such as the fires at the arms"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "warehouses or the hacks on Polish"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "trains, are designed to hamstring the"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "war effort directly. Others work"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "indirectly. For example, the"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "assassination of the Russian pilot,"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "which is intended to intimidate other"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "Russian soldiers into continuing the"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "fight. And some don't target the war"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "effort at all, but are simply aimed to"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "impose costs on Ukraine's backers or"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "generate fear among the public, which"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "then translates into political pressure"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "to end the war. Think of it like"}, {"end": "00:14:33", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "mobsters running an extortion racket."}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "Nice country you guys got there. Be a"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:33", "text": "shame if something happened to it. But"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "crucially, all these tactics are"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "designed to work without provoking a"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "direct war between Russia and the rest"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "of Europe, which Moscow worries it would"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "lose. The Kremlin must therefore tow a"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "careful line. Ukraine's backers need to"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "understand they're under attack, who"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "from, and why. But Russia can't directly"}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "claim credit or else risk retaliation."}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "Again, very much like mob intimidation."}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "Knows, but they don't know. So, what, if"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "anything, can Europe do to stop the"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "attacks? And are they working? We went"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "to two experts to find out. Yes, my name"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "is Maria Golba and I'm the founder of"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "the think tank Baltic Initiative on"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "European Reform based in RIA and a"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "fellow at Center for European Policy"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "Analysis. My name is Lucas Molenik and I"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "am independent uh technology consultant"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "and a visiting senior research fellow at"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "department of war studies KCL. I'm"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "looking at cyber security aspects as"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "well as data breaches and propaganda"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "um operations for uh quite some time"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "now. If we're going to work out whether"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "Russian sabotage attacks are working,"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "first we need to know what their goals"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "are. I think there are several goals."}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "One is of course to test um where um"}, {"end": "00:15:58", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "where our guard slips so to say where we"}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "are less protected than we would like to"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:58", "text": "think. What are the vulnerabilities? So"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "testing the limits is one and also of"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "course testing when uh will um specific"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "episodes be escalated to political level"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "or not. Whether for example countries in"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "the west would prefer to um speak less"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "about the cases of sabotaging the"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "successful ones or prefer to escalate"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "them to the political level. That's"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "something they're trying to test and to"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "to see how how it works. Another goal of"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "course is uh the well communication or"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "if you wish um propaganda message"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "showing that the west is vulnerable that"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "the west is not good at managing its own"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "critical infrastructure it its own"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "defenses um in the civil sector. Russia"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "sees that um the west or at least um"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "western Europe, I mean Europe in"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "general, European Union has been quite"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "uh persistent in supporting Ukraine over"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "those uh those last three years and um"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "they do feel that unless um the pressure"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "on policy makers from the voters becomes"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "much more tangible in in the sense of of"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "giving up this support for Ukraine that"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "the West will continue supporting"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "Ukraine and that is not something that"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "uh that they're happy about. So"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "obviously that increases Ukraine's"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "capabilities to fight Russia. So what"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "they do is they try to undermine the"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "credibility of western institutions of"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "western governments in the eyes of"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "western citizens to make sure that"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "sooner or later the voters might feel"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "tired, might feel like it's been enough"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "and they don't like when um for example"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "energy companies in Germany or in France"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "are attacked by Russian hackers. um they"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "don't like when um various life uh life"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "sustaining systems of our societies are"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "compromised by by their sabotage. So"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "they expect that sooner or later this"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "will lead to um the west giving up on"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "Ukraine. Maria was a politician in"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "Latvia, one of the countries targeted in"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "these attacks. I wanted to know how"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "Latapia deals with them. Yes indeed I"}, {"end": "00:18:08", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "have been a member of parliament on on"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "national security committee and I've"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:08", "text": "also been a minister of interior which"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "is the equivalent of home secretary for"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "one year. Um I think the Baltic states"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "overall are much better prepared for"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "Russian hybrid attacks. So as a result"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "you don't hear so often in the media"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "about successful uh attacks by Russia."}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "Um what you do hear about is the"}, {"end": "00:18:33", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "undersea cables. So the undersea cables"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "that have been cut uh connecting um"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:33", "text": "Latia and Estonia to the Nordic"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "countries that has happened over the"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "last year several times and that is of"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "course quite alarming and since then um"}, {"end": "00:18:46", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "NATO ships had started patrolling the"}, {"end": "00:18:48", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "Baltic Sea much more assidiously so to"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:46", "text": "say which uh which is is expected to"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:48", "text": "prevent further attacks of this kind. Um"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "but overall I would say that as far as"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "um um well infrastructure which is"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "situated on land is is concerned um our"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "security services and our um basically"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "our um even police I think are much more"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "attuned to looking at uh potential risks"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "of that kind and is much more serious"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "about it than in in I'm sorry to say in"}, {"end": "00:19:19", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "some countries in the EU. So I think"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "from that point of view we have fewer uh"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:19", "text": "fewer really uh important uh cases like"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "that. We have had some cases like in"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "Lithuania somebody set fire to an IKEA"}, {"end": "00:19:32", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "shop and basically apparently this was"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "for symbolic reasons of IKEA warehouse"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:32", "text": "or shop being blue and yellow like the"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "Ukrainian flag. So sometimes you have"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "very very strange cases of sabotage to"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "be quite honest. Um but I think that"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "overall um well just because the Baltics"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "are more watchful um and more aware"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "because proximity makes you more aware"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "of the threat um we have fewer"}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "successful cases by Russia sabotaging"}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "anything. I think the level of threat is"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "considerable. I mean I would be I would"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "be uh very much against um downplaying"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "the the seriousness of this attacks just"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "because there have not been so many"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "terribly successful ones yet. Russian uh"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "defense and and attack uh system so to"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "say is very multiaceted. There are very"}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "many different groups and collectives,"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "private actors basically working in in"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "concert with the state actors. Um lots"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "of initiatives. So they're proddding and"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "trying and checking and and testing and"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "I think some of them might be pretty uh"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "helpless at doing that but others might"}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "be not at all helpless. Some are um from"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "very uh wellresourced state units. Next,"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "I wanted to know whether Russia's"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "attacks are achieving its aims. Before"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "we hear from Wukash, he's coping with"}, {"end": "00:20:48", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "hearing loss. So bear that in mind as"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "you listen. Assuming that the goal was"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "the paralysis of um support to Ukraine,"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "then no, the attacks weren't successful"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "because the support is still maintained."}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "However, when it comes to creating a"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "fair discontent, perhaps including some"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "lines of discussion on the political"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "agenda or media agenda in Western"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "Europe, then indeed some topics did"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "emerge and enter the debate and that is"}, {"end": "00:21:20", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "precisely the issue because we are when"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "let me just focus on information"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:20", "text": "operations and propaganda. So people"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "over focus on sending individual"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "messages like uh let's say um fake news,"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "fake message, fake tweet or the message"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "on Xplatform now and they uh of too"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "often overhype or freak out that oh wow"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "there were several pages on Facebook"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "there were spreading um some uh"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "falsified or disinformation content. But"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "what is really the problem is the"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "longterm operation and this one is"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "targeting the cognitive domain. So there"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "are plenty of operations happening in"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "the long term and the longterm impact is"}, {"end": "00:22:12", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "something that is actually probably the"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "goal. That was always the goal at least"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:12", "text": "of the uh Soviet uh secret services. And"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "actually it is well known that long-term"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "interactions and influence is something"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "that is the actual goal of information"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "operations and not the isolated cases."}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "So let's think of it as a long-term"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "game. So uh narratives are quite a"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "complex uh thing as well because usually"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "you have um we to simplify we consider a"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "totally polarized society. So we just"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "have two large groups and they most to"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "make it a simple they oppose each other"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "in various ways for example"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "ideologically or when it comes to"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "aspects of economy or for example the"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "support of Ukraine. So uh the way it"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "works is that you do not as an"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "information prop operator or"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "propagandist or operator and information"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "warfare tasked to uh tasked with um"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "exerting influence on a state. You do"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "not support the only one side. You play"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "both sides. You just fuel the"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "discontent. So it's not like they have"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "opinions like they support a candidate."}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "They support everyone. They don't have"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "opinions in local domestic matters when"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "it comes to UK or Germany or or France."}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "They it's their job. They is their job"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "to influence the public opinion and"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "societies. Uh so they funnel various"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "narratives sometimes completely crazy"}, {"end": "00:24:01", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "like flat earths or or or other"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "conspiracy theories. That's because"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:01", "text": "there are audiences"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "which may be prone to pick up those"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "messages because it's also quite well"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "known in propaganda studies that that"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "it's really difficult and expensive to"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "create a topic out of scratch. It's much"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "much better to subscribe to existing"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "uh narratives or or discussions already"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "on the uh social um let's general public"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "agenda or opinion. Last I wanted to know"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "if Europe is doing anything to stop"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "these attacks. When it comes to cyber"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "attacks, there are frameworks, legal and"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "political tools"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "uh that may be used like for example"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "naming and shaming but explaining what"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "is happening and who is driving that."}, {"end": "00:24:56", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "There are no such legal or political"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "tools when it comes to let's say those"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:56", "text": "hybrid operations like sabotage"}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "operations. So this is something that"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "the European Union and the UK currently"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "lack. There are messaging"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "but there are no structural approaches"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "here and this is perhaps due to the fact"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "that there are already structured"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "collaboration when it comes to"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "exchanging information about cyber"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "threats and perhaps um it would be"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "better if there could be some kind of"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "frameworks for closer intelligence"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "uh collaboration like the real time"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "exchange of threat information about"}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "some kind of data of the kind because"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "there are plenty of units um interested"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "in sing chaos in uh Europe and sooner or"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "later uh the western Europe uh European"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "Union and the UK we need to"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "be serious about it because it's"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "happening and it's um happening now. So"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "this is a question that should be asked"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "to policy makers. Is hitting back at"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "Russia an option? That's a thought that"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "one hears increasingly these days. I"}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "think it's it's not the first time I"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "hear this question and I have heard"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "opinions from experts uh across all"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "across the whole spectrum of you know"}, {"end": "00:26:28", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "political scientists, security analysts"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "whoever uh who tend to agree that uh who"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:28", "text": "tend to agree that uh we might actually"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "be doing more in terms of hitting that"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "not just in terms of of trying to be"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "more prepared or protect our critical"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "infrastructure. The question is how and"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "uh and in what form and who would be"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "again making those decisions. I think in"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "some countries um the politicians and um"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "the uh public administration especially"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "the security services are themselves"}, {"end": "00:26:57", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "quite ready probably for for trying"}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "something like that and in other"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "countries they are probably much more"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:26:59", "text": "cautious. So again um I think the devil"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "is in the detail. That's where this tape"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "stops, but we'll be back soon to play"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "you through another piece of geopolitics"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "on tape."}]

[{"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Y si te dijera que el 21 de junio de 2025,\u00a0 mientras el mundo dorm\u00eda, se ejecut\u00f3 una operaci\u00f3n militar que cara al p\u00fablico, era para\u00a0 desactivar una amenaza nuclear,... pero que por alg\u00fan motivo colaps\u00f3 instant\u00e1neamente el 25% del\u00a0 poder computacional de Bitcoin a nivel mundial?"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "Lo que est\u00e1s a punto de descubrir en este\u00a0 video no es teor\u00eda. Son hechos documentados, correlaciones imposibles de ignorar, y una verdad\u00a0 que los que la conocen, no quieren que descubras."}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "Mi nombre es Iv\u00e1n Prats, y hoy vamos a\u00a0 desentra\u00f1ar c\u00f3mo la Operaci\u00f3n Midnight Hammer de Estados Unidos e Israel, revel\u00f3 algo\u00a0 mucho m\u00e1s profundo que una simple coincidencia."}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "21 de junio de 2025. 5:00 PM hora del Este. Mientras los estadounidenses cenaban, 7 bombarderos stealth B-2 Spirit despegaban en\u00a0 completo silencio. Su carga: bombas penetradoras de cerca de 14 toneladas dise\u00f1adas para\u00a0 destruir b\u00fankeres a 100 metros bajo tierra."}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "Los objetivos: Fordow, Natanz, Isfahan.\u00a0 Tres nombres que significan poco para el ciudadano promedio, pero que esconden\u00a0 el secreto mejor guardado de Ir\u00e1n."}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "Trump declar\u00f3 la misma noche del ataque\u00a0 que las instalaciones nucleares de Ir\u00e1n habian sido destruidas. Pero aqu\u00ed viene lo extra\u00f1o... Exactamente 70 minutos despu\u00e9s del anuncio de\u00a0 Trump, algo impensable sucedi\u00f3. El hashrate global de Bitcoin que es la medida del poder\u00a0 computacional total de la blockchain de Bitcoin, comenz\u00f3 a colapsar. Y esta no fue una\u00a0 ca\u00edda gradual en cuanto al porcentaje, ni tampoco el cuanto al timing, este tipo\u00a0 de ca\u00eddas suelen ser comunes durante los meses del halving, que fue en 2024. Esta\u00a0 no hab\u00eda sido una fluctuaci\u00f3n normal."}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "Un desplome CATASTR\u00d3FICO del 25% del hashrate. 234 exahashes por segundo... desaparecidos. Como si alguien hubiera apagado una cuarta\u00a0 parte de todas las computadoras minando Bitcoin en el planeta. \u00bfCoincidencia?"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "Quiz\u00e1s, pero prep\u00e1rate, porque\u00a0 esta historia apenas comienza."}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "Para entender todo esto, primero debemos\u00a0 retroceder a marzo de este mismo a\u00f1o."}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "Tulsi Gabbard, la nueva Directora de Inteligencia\u00a0 Nacional de Trump, se presenta ante el Congreso."}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "Su testimonio es categ\u00f3rico: \"Ir\u00e1n NO est\u00e1\u00a0 construyendo armas nucleares. El programa fue suspendido en 2003 y NO ha sido reactivado.\" 18 agencias de inteligencia. Un consenso un\u00e1nime."}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "Ir\u00e1n ten\u00eda uranio enriquecido, s\u00ed, pero\u00a0 NING\u00daN programa de armamento activo."}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "Entonces... \u00bfpor qu\u00e9 atacar\u00a0 instalaciones nucleares que supuestamente no representaban una amenaza? El 17 de junio, apenas 4 d\u00edas antes del ataque, Trump contradice p\u00fablicamente a su\u00a0 propia directora de inteligencia: \"No me importa lo que ella diga.\"\u00a0 Declaraba el presidente estadounidense."}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "\u00bfTrump sab\u00eda algo que la propia inteligencia\u00a0 de su pa\u00eds desconoc\u00eda? \u00bfO hab\u00eda OTRO objetivo en esas instalaciones que no\u00a0 quieren que se haga p\u00fablico?."}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "Atento porque aqu\u00ed es donde la\u00a0 historia se vuelve fascinante."}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "Las mismas instalaciones nucleares atacadas\u00a0 \u2014Fordow, enterrada 100 metros bajo una monta\u00f1a; Natanz, el complejo de enriquecimiento m\u00e1s\u00a0 grande; Isfahan, la planta de conversi\u00f3n nuclear\u2014 compart\u00edan algo m\u00e1s que uranio. Compart\u00edan una red el\u00e9ctrica."}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "Una red que alimentaba no solo centrifugadoras...\u00a0 sino algo mucho m\u00e1s lucrativo."}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "Documentos del Consejo Nacional de Resistencia\u00a0 de Ir\u00e1n revelan que el Cuerpo de la Guardia Revolucionaria controlaba 230,000 dispositivos\u00a0 de miner\u00eda de Bitcoin. Una operaci\u00f3n que consum\u00eda 2,000 megavatios DIARIOS. \u00bfY sabes cual es el precio de la electricidad en estas instalaciones?\u00a0 0.002 d\u00f3lares por kilovatio-hora."}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "El costo m\u00e1s barato de TODO EL PLANETA. \u00bfComenz\u00e1s a ver la conexi\u00f3n?... Pues esto se va a poner a\u00fan m\u00e1s interesante. 9:00 PM GMT, 21 de junio."}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:04", "text": "Los primeros misiles impactan.\u00a0 En ese EXACTO momento, el hashrate de Bitcoin registra su primera ca\u00edda: 50 exahashes desaparecen en 60 minutos. Los analistas de Glassnode lo confirmaron: \"La red cay\u00f3 de casi 1,000 EH/s a apenas 700 EH/s.\" Pero aqu\u00ed est\u00e1 el dato que te helar\u00e1 la sangre: Ir\u00e1n solo controlaba segun datos publicos\u00a0 oficiales el 3.1% del hashrate global."}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "Aproximadamente 28.5 exahashes. Sin embargo, la ca\u00edda fue de \u00bfC\u00f3mo puede el 3% causar una ca\u00edda del 25%? A menos que... esas instalaciones nucleares no fueran las \u00fanicas conectadas a la red. Los reportes oficiales hablan de \"da\u00f1os significativos\" en Natanz, donde 15,000\u00a0 centrifugadoras quedaron sin electricidad."}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "Pero los informes de inteligencia\u00a0 filtrados cuentan otra historia."}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "Las evaluaciones posteriores admitieron\u00a0 que el programa nuclear solo se retras\u00f3 \"unos meses como m\u00e1ximo\". \u00bfMeses? \u00bfGastaron 75 misiles y 7 bombarderos B-2 para un retraso de MESES? Si estudias un poco de hist\u00f3ria entre Ir\u00e1n y occidente, te dar\u00e1s cuenta de los noticieros\u00a0 llevan diciendo que Ir\u00e1n est\u00e1 a punto de tener una bomba nuclear desde los 80. Han pasado\u00a0 m\u00e1s de 40 a\u00f1os y la bomba nunca lleg\u00f3."}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "Suena extra\u00f1o? La verdad es que s\u00ed, Porque lo es.\u00a0 Rumores ya circulan en redes sobre que el objetivo real estaba en los s\u00f3tanos. En las granjas de\u00a0 miner\u00eda ocultas bajo el pretexto de investigaci\u00f3n nuclear. Operaciones que generaban mil millones\u00a0 de d\u00f3lares anuales para el r\u00e9gimen iran\u00ed."}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "Bitcoin les permit\u00eda evadir sanciones.\u00a0 Financiar operaciones. Moverse fuera del sistema bancario internacional. Granjas muy lucrativas, que el 21 de junio, alguien decidi\u00f3 apagar. Coincidentemente, este colapso del hashrate benefici\u00f3 a los mineros estadounidenses.\u00a0 Foundry USA, con sede en Nueva York, vio su participaci\u00f3n de mercado AUMENTAR mientras\u00a0 los mineros en oriente medio se desconectaban."}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "Los ETF de Bitcoin registraron\u00a0 entradas de 1.54 MIL MILLONES durante la \"recuperaci\u00f3n\" en los mismos dias\u00a0 de la operaci\u00f3n militar de Israel y EEUU."}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "\u00bfQui\u00e9n compra durante una crisis? Te puedo\u00a0 asegurar que el ciudadano promedio no, lo hacen los que saben lo que viene despu\u00e9s. Todo esto muestra una conexi\u00f3n que yo mismo no soy capaz de descifrar, es como si\u00a0 faltara una pieza del puzzle\u2026 Trump, el presidente pro-crypto. Gabbard, contradiciendo\u00a0 la narrativa oficial. Los ataques \"quir\u00fargicos\" que casualmente destruyeron la infraestructura\u00a0 el\u00e9ctrica pero no el programa nuclear."}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "Si Ir\u00e1n no estaba construyendo armas nucleares...\u00a0 Si el objetivo real era el Bitcoin... Si todo esto estaba planeado... \u00bfQu\u00e9 m\u00e1s no nos est\u00e1n diciendo?"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "El 23 de junio, Ir\u00e1n respondi\u00f3 atacando bases\u00a0 estadounidenses. Pero curiosamente Trump declaraba en redes que le avisaron antes de hacerlo, que\u00a0 ning\u00fan misil impact\u00f3 causando da\u00f1os ni bajas, como si hubiera... un acuerdo previo\u2026 A las pocas horas Trump declaraba un \u201calto el fuego\u201d pactado entre todos los\u00a0 involucrados, poniendo fin al conflicto\u2026 Lo que presenciamos entre el 21 y 23 de junio no\u00a0 fue solo un ataque militar. Fue potencialmente la primera guerra cripto-geopol\u00edtica de la historia. Una guerra donde las bombas no solo destruyen b\u00fankeres, sino redes\u00a0 computacionales. Donde el poder no se mide solo en megatones, sino en exahashes. Y aqu\u00ed est\u00e1 la parte que deber\u00eda aterrarte: Si pueden hacer esto con Bitcoin...\u00a0 \u00bfqu\u00e9 m\u00e1s pueden controlar?"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "Tu dinero digital. Tus\u00a0 transacciones. Tu futuro financiero."}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "Todo conectado. Todo\u00a0 rastreable. Todo... vulnerable."}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "La Operaci\u00f3n Midnight Hammer no fue el final.\u00a0 Fue el principio. El momento en que las guerras del futuro mostraron su verdadero rostro. Y ahora que conoces la verdad... la pregunta es\u2026 \u00bfqu\u00e9 vas a hacer con ella? Si este video te abri\u00f3 los ojos, o al menos te hizo pensar, comp\u00e1rtelo. Porque\u00a0 el conocimiento es la \u00fanica arma que nos queda."}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "Suscr\u00edbete para m\u00e1s investigaciones que\u00a0 no quieren que veas. Activa la campanita."}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "Y recuerda... En el mundo del poder, no hay coincidencias."}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "S\u00f3lo conspiraciones que en\u00a0 alg\u00fan momento, dejan de serlo."}]

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In this"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "iceberg format video, we're going to"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "start with the crazy missions and then"}, {"end": "00:00:31", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "get into the absolutely buck wild,"}, {"end": "00:00:33", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "insane ones. The way American special"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:31", "text": "operations work is each of the seven"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "groups have their own region that they"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "specialize in. 10th group has"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "specialized in the defense of Europe"}, {"end": "00:00:43", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "since they were created in"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "1952. Their original mission was to"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:43", "text": "conduct partisan warfare deep behind"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "enemy lines if the Soviet Union ever"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "invaded into Western Europe. Because of"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "this unique mission set, they're unlike"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "any other special forces unit. They were"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "given fake identities and cover stories"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "to hide their true background, the kind"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "of trade craft you'd normally see in a"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "CIA officer. They were required to learn"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "Russian, get really into European"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "culture, and start smoking sigs. By"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "2021, US special forces were present in"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "33 out of 44 European countries. A full"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "11% of the special forces were deployed"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "to Europe, many of them 10th group guys."}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "General Clark, the former chief of US"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "special operations command, said our"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "soft have partnered with European allies"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "since before 2014 focused on building"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "resistance networks. But that is not"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "just in the Baltics. That's through the"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "rest of Europe. When General Clark was"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "saying the rest of Europe, I think he"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "was possibly hinting at a place called"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "Ukraine, where we're only just now"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "starting to learn the true extent of"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "American clandestine missions. In 2014,"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "Russia annexed Crimea and started arming"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "separatist movements inside Ukraine. A"}, {"end": "00:01:53", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "lot of people don't know this, but in"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "response, the 10th group US special"}, {"end": "00:01:59", "start": "00:01:53", "text": "forces sent 150 man-sized company on the"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "ground inside Ukraine. And they weren't"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:59", "text": "just there to party in Eastern Europe"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "and drink the forbidden absent. No,"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "we'll see. They had a big tactical"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "impact. When I was researching this"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "episode, trying to find information on"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "US Black Ops missions in Europe, I"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "noticed something annoying. The search"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "engine prioritized paid results to the"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "point where I had to skip to freaking"}, {"end": "00:02:20", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "page three to find anything genuinely"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "useful. That's the initial reason why I"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:20", "text": "reached out to FreeSpoke to sponsor this"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "episode and they agreed. Free spoke"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "prioritizes relevant information. They"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "also provide unbiased search results,"}, {"end": "00:02:32", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "giving me a rating of each publication's"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "leaning, whether it's left, right, or"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "center. They're not prioritizing some"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "hidden agenda. Look, I'm always typing"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "into the internet looking up stuff on"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "bomb CIA kill teams. That 100% has put"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "me on some type of government watch"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "list. But not anymore because unlike big"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "tech, FreeSpoke respects your privacy,"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "so your browsing history is private and"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "you're not getting bombarded with"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "targeted ads. It even gives me the power"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "to search through independent media"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "sources like podcasts. Freepoke is"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "giving my viewers 25% off your annual"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "subscription by using my promo code"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "cappy 25, which gets you 25% off your"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "annual subscription. The link is in the"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:07", "text": "description under the video. That's"}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:09", "text": "cappy 25 to get 25% off. Start using a"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "search engine that helps promote"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "independent media voices like my own and"}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "will save you an enormous amount of time"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "on research and work. In February 2022,"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "US special forces 10th group was"}, {"end": "00:03:28", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "actually on the ground in Ukraine in the"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "capital city of Kev. They were training"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "their Ukrainian counterparts in how to"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "use sensitive items like Javelin and"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "Stinger missiles to defend themselves."}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "They actually helped train them on new"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "reconnaissance and attack drone tactics."}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "And according to SOCOM themselves, they"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "helped train ultimately 27,000 Ukrainian"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "soldiers. These SF guys were probably"}, {"end": "00:03:51", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "thinking to themselves, like most"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "training events, that a Russian attack"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:51", "text": "was never going to really happen and"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "they were wasting their time. But for"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "the first time ever, the meme nothing"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "ever happens was wrong. Because that's"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "when US Colonel Lucas Van Antwerp got"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "word from his higherups that there was"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "solid intelligence Russia was going to"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "actually invade. He was ordered to get"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "American troops and officials out of the"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "country fast to avoid direct contact"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "with incoming Russian soldiers because"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "that could lead to World War II. Colonel"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "von Antworp was tasked with quickly"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "racing to evacuate, closed the American"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "embassy in the capital. They destroyed"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "sensitive materials and blew up"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "communication devices. They blew up"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "computer servers to prevent them from"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "falling into Russian troops' hands if"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "Keev were to fall. It was a full-on"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "smash room. This is exactly the kind of"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "politically sensitive diplomatic mission"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "that the 10th group was trained for. Two"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "months later, another Western special"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "operations mission took place on"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "Ukrainian soil, the details of which"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "were only just recently revealed last"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "month. In April 2022, a convoy of"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "unmarked military vehicles drove through"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "the tight city streets of Kev. The"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "convoy picked up two Ukrainian men who"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "were in plain clothes and they looked"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "unassuming, but behind that they were"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "two of Ukraine's highest ranking top"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "military generals. Heavily armed British"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "special forces wearing regular"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "non-uniform clothing provided security"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "for this convoy in Kev. That means that"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "SAS commandos were only a few clicks"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "away from where Russian positions were"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "at the time. They drove 400 miles west"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "to Poland across the border. Once there,"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "these two Ukrainian generals jumped on a"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "cargo plane and flew to US Army European"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "Command in Germany. When they arrived,"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "they met American CIA officers. They"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "worked closely together to plan a"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "campaign against Russian forces. The"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "details and extent of this cooperation"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "were not fully known until now because"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "this mission was one of the most closely"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "guarded secrets of the entire war in"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "Ukraine. The top American general in"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "charge of this black op was a man named"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "General Donahghue. Donahghue was already"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "a legend in the clandestine world. He"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "fought alongside CIA hit teams in Iraq,"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria. This"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "guy's the real life Jack Ryan or"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "Reacher, whichever you're more into"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "sexually. His job was to create a team"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "cenamed Task Force Dragon. For the next"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "3 years, this Task Force Dragon, their"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "assignment was to guide Ukrainian"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "missiles and artillery onto Russian"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "targets. If that doesn't shock you, it"}, {"end": "00:06:28", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "should. Because officially and publicly,"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "American intelligence aid was limited to"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:28", "text": "not providing any information that could"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "quote unquote reasonably lead to lethal"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "consequences. US intelligence called the"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "Russian locations points of interest"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "instead of calling them targets so as to"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "be less provocative. That's maybe the"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "most classic Pentagon speak I've ever"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "heard in my life. Sir, look at this"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "fascinating point of interest that I"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "found where where an entire Russian"}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "platoon is assembling in the open in"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "that uh tree line over there. Would be a"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "real shame if something happened to"}, {"end": "00:07:01", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "them, sir. The United States military's"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "goal was to help Ukraine defend itself"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:01", "text": "because they wanted to offset that major"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "numerical advantage held by Russian"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "troops. And there were numerous examples"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "revealed by US officials just recently"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "that spoke to the Times that American"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "satellite networks identified Russian"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "officers location, their hideout, and"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "then Ukraine sent a missile blowing that"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "target up. Sorry, I meant point of"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "interest. Blowing that point of interest"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "up. American commanders in Europe"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "provided coordinates that were sent on a"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "secure computer network that even"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "displayed what priority the points of"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "interest were. It was like a government"}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "sanctioned hit list. General Donny who"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "would reportedly say to his Ukrainian"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "counterparts, \"Don't worry about how we"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "found out. Just trust when you shoot it"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "will hit and you'll like the results."}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "And if you don't like the results, tell"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "us. We'll make it better.\" End quote."}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "That's the kind of white glove service I"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "would kill for. And they were killing"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "for. The US intelligence was even on a"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "small unit level where General Donnu"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "would reportedly tell Ukrainian infantry"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "units which houses they were empty in"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "front of them that they were cleared to"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "go up in advance to. It was basically"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "the first war done remotely through"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "Zoom. This would be the perfect place"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "for a VPN advertisement. Don't want the"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "Kremlin knowing you're sending targeting"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "data to Ukraine? Use code cappy for 10%"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "off your military grade VPN. But on the"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "real, how were they getting such spicy"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "intel? It's likely has something to do"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "with the presence of Western special"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "forces that were on the ground in"}, {"end": "00:08:39", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "Ukraine. This is now undisputed common"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "knowledge because of an April 2023 leak"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:39", "text": "which showed that 14 US special forces"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "were in Ukraine, which is about the size"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "of one A team detachment. This was part"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "of a wider intelligence leak done by a"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "US Air National Guard soldier in a"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "Discord channel. Look, if there's any"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "Chinese or Russian Air National Guard"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "troops that want to leak intelligence to"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "me, feel free to do it on our Discord"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "server. But that airman was later"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "sentenced to 15 years for leaking those"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "documents. What the documents didn't"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "confirm was the location of where those"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "Green Berets were in Ukraine, although"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "officials later claimed it was at the"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "embassy in Kev. However, just in March"}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "2025, the Times revealed that for the"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "past three years, the US government"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "authorized numerous clandestine"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "operations, including dispatching"}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "American military advisers with"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "authorization to travel close to the"}, {"end": "00:09:29", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "front lines, which probably shouldn't"}, {"end": "00:09:32", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "surprise us because Chinese military"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:29", "text": "advisers are reportedly also going near"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:32", "text": "the front line, too. It's a big learning"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "experience for everyone. It's a nice old"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "field trip. Everyone's gooning right now"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "in this proxy war being right on the"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "absolute edge. We know Russian FSB has"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "been operating deep in Western Europe on"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "sabotage missions. Doesn't really"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "surprise me that both sides, which are"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "nuclear powers, are using this kind of"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "alternative third option that's easy for"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "them for plausible deniability and to"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "deny it even happened. The Russians"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "intercepted and publicly released"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "communications in 2024 between highlevel"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "German government and military"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "officials. In those recordings, they"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "were talking about British special"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "forces on the ground in Ukraine helping"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "to operate storm shadow cruise missiles."}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "Everyone lost their when they heard"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "about this. The UK prime minister at the"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "time confirmed part of this story when"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "he said that a small number of British"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "army personnel supporting the armed"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "forces of Ukraine were there, but that"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "they didn't have any plans for a"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "large-scale deployment. And quote, he"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "didn't go as far as to say that they"}, {"end": "00:10:35", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "were helping with missile strikes. The"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "American intelligence leak showed that"}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:35", "text": "50 British commandos were on the ground"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "in Ukraine, enough for a storm shadow"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "party. When I was in Kev, I heard rumors"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "of British and French special forces"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "operating close to the front early in"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "the war during the invasion. My fixer,"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "my guide, told me a story of how he saw"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "French soldiers advising defensive"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "positions when the Russians were closing"}, {"end": "00:11:00", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "in on Keev. At the time, I thought it"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "was just rumor, hearsay, he said, she"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:11:00", "text": "said. But these new reports verify some"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "of these details. I think that's part of"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "the fascinating thing about clandestine"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "missions in Europe and on this"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "continent. Cuz unlike in the Middle"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "East, the Pacific, or Africa, US"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "soldiers who are stationed somewhere in"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "Europe live a relatively familiar life"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "in a city that probably isn't that"}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "different from the city they grew up and"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "back home, except there's a lot more 80s"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "music playing in the cafes, but other"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "than that, it's not that exotic. The"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "next US Black Opia officers recently"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "disclosed the network of 12 bases that"}, {"end": "00:11:36", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "they built and funded in Ukraine. And"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "I'm not going to bury the lead here,"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:36", "text": "guys. This is absolutely as insane as it"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "sounds and I was blown away when I read"}, {"end": "00:11:45", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "about it. These bases were equipped by"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "the CIA and created close to the front"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:45", "text": "lines. This way they could intercept"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "Russian communications and monitor the"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "spy satellites passing overhead. The"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "story from earlier you remember about"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "the targeting team in Europe, the Dragon"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "targeting team. I think a lot of their"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "information came from this network that"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "we're going to talk about. They would"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "send coordinates for missile strikes and"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "track Russian troop movements from here."}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "These were located deep in the forest in"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "the region of Donetsk and their"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "entrances were hidden underground. In"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "them, a whole team of Ukrainian"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "intelligence soldiers worked away and"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "they first were stood up in 2014 by the"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "CIA right after Russia annexed Crimea."}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "They were designed to prevent future"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "actions like that from taking place or"}, {"end": "00:12:31", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "at least to mitigate them. I know a lot"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "of it sounds like tinfoil hat conspiracy"}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:31", "text": "plots, but it comes straight from the"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "lips of the CIA officers themselves. I"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "don't know why I said lips. It sounded"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "like like I'm thinking about kissing the"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "CIA. I'm not. This is information that"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "they passed on publicly to the New York"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "Times, which tells us that they likely"}, {"end": "00:12:49", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "wanted the Russians to know this"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "information because they don't care if I"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:49", "text": "know it. These outposts near the Russian"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "border were used as staging areas for"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "infiltration missions inside Russia by"}, {"end": "00:13:00", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "Ukraine. You remember how the embassy"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "was evacuated by US special forces?"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:13:00", "text": "Yeah. At that same time, the CIA"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "officers were the only Americans"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "authorized to stay on post at these"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "remote bases while the Russian invasion"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "took place. According to Ivon Bakenov,"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "former head of the SBU. He said, quote,"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "\"Without them, there would have been no"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "way for us to resist the Russians or"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "beat them.\" End quote. Starting in 2016,"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "the CIA helped to train an elite team of"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "Ukrainian commandos called Unit"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "2245. The US government gave strict"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "orders to not kill any Russians with"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "their training. So, of course, the"}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "Ukrainians immediately started killing"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "Russians with their training. They blew"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "up Arson Pavlov. He was a soldier in the"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "occupied Dongk region, an officer, and"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "they killed him with a bomb. They used a"}, {"end": "00:13:47", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "remotec controlled unmanned"}, {"end": "00:13:49", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "shoulderfired rocket launcher to kill a"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:47", "text": "Russianbacked commander in another"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "occupied territory. We saw several"}, {"end": "00:13:56", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "assassinations inside Moscow for"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "instance. And when the CIA heard about"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:56", "text": "this, they bugged out because they were"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "worried it would mean retaliation from"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "Russia. This led to the Ukrainian leader"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "of the unit being fired. And the"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "Russians returned with a car bomb that"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "killed the 2245's commander, Colonel"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "Chapploff. killed him on his way to sea"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "and meet with his CIA counterparts. If I"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "put on my regular infantryman thinking"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "cap, here's how I would break down the"}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "geopolitical situation that special"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "forces are facing in Europe. After World"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "War II, the US pumped Europe full of"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "cash and security guarantees to rebuild"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "it into a wall of friendly democracies."}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "During the Cold War, they kept their"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "defense budgets up. But once the Soviet"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "Union threat faded, a lot of them hit"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "the brakes on spending. The main fear"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "has always been the same, getting"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "steamrolled from the east and handed to"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "government that they didn't vote for."}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "That's why so many countries sprinted to"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "join NATO in the 1990s. Nobody wanted to"}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "end up back under Moscow's boot. But"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "from the Russians point of view, NATO"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "creeping around closer and closer looked"}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "like a threat from their perspective. So"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "they claim they're just pushing back."}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "And now here we are again on the edge"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "watching tanks and borders like it's"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "1985 all over again. So for the next"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "story, let's go back to where it all"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "started in the Cold War when the US and"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "Soviet Union were waging a secret"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "undercover war against one another"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "around the world. This is a story of"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "Operation Valuable, which was the CIA's"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "first ever paramilitary operation that I"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "know of in 1949, just 2 years after"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "their creation. It took place in the"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "small nation of Albania in southern"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "Europe, which had suffered greatly under"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "Nazi occupation in World War II and was"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "now governed by a Sovietbacked Enver"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "Hoa. Together with the British, MI6,"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "Italian, and Greek intelligence"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "services, the CIA planned to gather"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "hundreds of Albanians that have been"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "scattered across Europe during World War"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "II, train them in guerrilla warfare"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "techniques, and then infiltrate them"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "into Albania to sew discord and build a"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "popular resistance front against the"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "dictator's rule. NATO was concerned the"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "Soviets were secretly building a"}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "submarine base and that Albania could be"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "used against NATO forces in the event of"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "a full invasion of Europe. According to"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "the Italian naval intelligence, the"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "Albanian dictator was unpopular and the"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "people were looking to rebel anyways. At"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "a minimum, the operation aimed to create"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "so much conflict within Albania that the"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "Soviet construction there would be"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "halted and they wouldn't be able to send"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "aid to other communist groups in"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "neighboring countries. But the grand"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "prize was to overthrow the entire"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "regime. The top secret operation created"}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "the template for some of the tinfoil hat"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "government toppling that we recognize"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "today. The first recruits for the"}, {"end": "00:16:31", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "operation started training in July 1949"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "on the island of Malta. In the first set"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:31", "text": "of nine, they landed on the Albanian"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "coastline using a Greek fishing boat."}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "The group split into two teams and moved"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "to link up with resistance groups near"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "the city of Laura, but they didn't get"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "very far before Albanian security forces"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "discovered one of the teams. Three were"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "killed in the gun battle and the fifth"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "team member went a while abandoning the"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "mission. The second team was more"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "successful, completing their assignment"}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "and sneaking across the Greek border to"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "safety. Despite this setback, the"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "planners at the CIA and MI6 kept sending"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "teams of trained insurgents for more"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "than 2 years, often accompanied in"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "person by commandos from the"}, {"end": "00:17:11", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "intelligence agencies. Over 7,500"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "Albanian operatives and 2,500 US or"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:11", "text": "British officers participated in"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "Operation Valuable over the course of"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "its 5-year lifespan. But most of these"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "infiltrations failed before making it"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "past their landing zone because"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "government security forces intercepted"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "the teams or they were turned into"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "double agents within the resistance"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "cells that they were supposed to meet."}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "The planners tried everything. Seaborn"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "landings, parachute insertions, CIA"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "piloted cargo planes, infiltration by"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "land. Yet nothing seemed to get past the"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "tight grip of the security forces. It"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "seemed a little bit sus. Operation"}, {"end": "00:17:48", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "Valuable agents had a tough time finding"}, {"end": "00:17:50", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "anyone within the country willing to aid"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:48", "text": "an insurgency against them. No revolt"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:50", "text": "came to pass and the agents suffered"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "heavy losses in shootouts or arrests"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "with the security forces in the police"}, {"end": "00:18:03", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "in Albania. 300 CIA and MI6 were killed"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "or captured over the course of this"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:03", "text": "mission. As it turns out, one of the big"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "reasons that the Albanian security"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "forces were so suspiciously good at"}, {"end": "00:18:14", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "their job was they had help from the"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "inside. MI6 liaison Kim Philby was a"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:14", "text": "secret Soviet spy that was recruited by"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "the KGB back in 1934. Philby is actually"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "one of the most infamous Soviet spies of"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "the entire Cold War. He used this"}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "position in Washington to pass along"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "secret info from both the US and UK to"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "the Soviets for decades and he wasn't"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "uncovered until 1963. As for Operation"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "Valuable, the infiltration teams were"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "betrayed before ever getting foot in"}, {"end": "00:18:42", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "Albania thanks to this double agent. It"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "ensured that the Albanian government was"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:42", "text": "always a step ahead. While the operation"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "failed in bringing down the fall of the"}, {"end": "00:18:49", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "communist government in Albania, CIA"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "officers still managed to gather some"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:49", "text": "intelligence from behind the Iron"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "Curtain. While both the CIA as an"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "institution and individual officers"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "gained crucial experience that would"}, {"end": "00:19:02", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "lead to much more success throughout the"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "Cold War later. But this next story is"}, {"end": "00:19:06", "start": "00:19:02", "text": "actually terrifying to think that it was"}, {"end": "00:19:08", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "given the go-ahead by several top"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:06", "text": "military officers. I first learned about"}, {"end": "00:19:12", "start": "00:19:08", "text": "this story of Operation Greenlight from"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "one of the hosts from the podcast"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:12", "text": "Teamhouse, Jack Murphy, and his book We"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "Defy. I got a lot of this research from"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "that source, so I highly recommend you"}, {"end": "00:19:24", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "grab it online. Full credit to Jack. In"}, {"end": "00:19:27", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "1983, a US special forces team pulled up"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:24", "text": "to an airfield in Pope Air Force Base,"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:27", "text": "North Carolina. They were greeted by two"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "men in black suits. They looked like"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "feds who had no flags or identifying"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "patches. They were fully redacted. It"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "was some top secret spooky secret"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "squirrel type shed. This is when things"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "got weird though because three more"}, {"end": "00:19:46", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "trucks pulled up with a whole heavily"}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "armed security team carrying a special"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:46", "text": "piece of equipment. The SF team"}, {"end": "00:19:52", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "recognized the device immediately. They"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "knew it intimately. These guys had"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "trained on it obsessively for months,"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "knowing its details by heart. It was the"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "60 lb special atomic demolition unit or"}, {"end": "00:20:06", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "a euphemism for a backpacksiz tactical"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "nuclear device, the Satum. When"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:06", "text": "detonated, it exploded a 02 kiloton,"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "which is a much smaller explosive than"}, {"end": "00:20:15", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "other nuclear devices, but that's like"}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "saying it's only a little terribly"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "powerful. The Green Berets noticed there"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "was no inert sticker on it like the ones"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "that they had trained on. It appeared to"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "be a live nuclear weapon. There was no"}, {"end": "00:20:27", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "time to nope out of there. They were"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "given orders by men in black suits to"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:27", "text": "load up their parachutes and prepare to"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "drop behind enemy lines. They got in a"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "cargo plane with the nuke and took off."}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "Once airborne and 3 hours into their"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "trip, they were given orders to blow up"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "a strategic location, a piece of"}, {"end": "00:20:45", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "infrastructure in Cuba. Their target was"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "a dam, one of the country's largest"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:45", "text": "hydroelect electric dams in Cuba. The"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "aircraft pulled off a combat maneuver"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "flying 500 ft above the ground to avoid"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "enemy radar. The team jumped out of the"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "aircraft once they were near their"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "target, I mean point of interest. And"}, {"end": "00:21:01", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "once they got there, they were strapped"}, {"end": "00:21:03", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "to a literal nuclear device. This means"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:01", "text": "that one of the soldiers was falling"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:03", "text": "towards the Earth at terminal velocity"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "at one point with a nuke and only some"}, {"end": "00:21:10", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "strings and cloth parachuting,"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "preventing the world's worst ever"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:10", "text": "burn-in. Once they safely landed on the"}, {"end": "00:21:17", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "ground, they started to move toward the"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "coordinates of their target dam. They"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:17", "text": "set the timer, which was a preset for 60"}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "minutes. That's about how long you want"}, {"end": "00:21:25", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "to cook your nuke. However, they"}, {"end": "00:21:27", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "expected to remain with the bomb for as"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:25", "text": "long as possible to make sure that they"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:27", "text": "weren't discovered. No thank you. I'm"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "not going down with the ship. None of"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "this was made easier by the fact that"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "the bomb's fuses weren't accurate"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "because the creators of the bomb"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "designed it in a rush to miniaturize the"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "nuke. And this tech from the 1960s meant"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "that the fuse could be off by several"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "minutes. We're not microwaving a burrito"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "here. We need more precision when it"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "comes to nuclear weapons than few"}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "minutes give or take. The backpack nukes"}, {"end": "00:21:56", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "fuse was based on pure vibes. Before the"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "team could worry about any of that"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:56", "text": "though, that's when out of nowhere,"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "headlights came out from these vehicles"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "and an officer came out and started"}, {"end": "00:22:05", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "shouting, \"Endex, endex, endex.\" Which,"}, {"end": "00:22:07", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "if you've ever been on a training"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:05", "text": "mission before, you know that means"}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:07", "text": "mission over. This notional event has"}, {"end": "00:22:14", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "ended. That's like the safe word in the"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "military. Endex is how you just you stop"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:14", "text": "playing around. It turns out the whole"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "mission was taking place in America, New"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "Mexico, not in Cuba. It's at that moment"}, {"end": "00:22:24", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "I would ask for 50% PTSD rating. This"}, {"end": "00:22:27", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "was a government sanctioned gaslight"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:24", "text": "operation to fool these special forces"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:27", "text": "operators into thinking it was a"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "realworld event. A bunch of lab techs"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "and officers came out and asked these"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "troops a bunch of questions. This was"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "Operation Greenlight, which was an"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "actual US military plan from 1962 to"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "1986. and many of their targets were in"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "Europe behind Soviet lines. Steven Bush"}, {"end": "00:22:51", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "was part of the 10th group's green light"}, {"end": "00:22:53", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "team and he said that the dams were a"}, {"end": "00:22:56", "start": "00:22:51", "text": "big target for them that they plan to"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:53", "text": "hit military industry capacity train"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:56", "text": "yards and mountain passes and these"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "targets that they chose tell us a lot"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "and it was designed to slow down a"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "Soviet assault. It's likely these"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "questions from the suits that they were"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "asking, they were trying to gauge if the"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "10th group soldiers were actually had"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "the discipline to go through with these"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "orders. There was a lot of questions"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "about whether or not when push came to"}, {"end": "00:23:22", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "shove, if troops would actually arm the"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "device and take it off given its"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:22", "text": "consequences. NATO forces consider"}, {"end": "00:23:28", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "themselves to be so numerically"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "overpowered in the region that their"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:28", "text": "plan was to go full Fallout 4. or on the"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "fold the gap. The US military created"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "300 of these nuke backpacks to be used"}, {"end": "00:23:39", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "throughout the world. And the part"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "that's really wild to me is that their"}, {"end": "00:23:43", "start": "00:23:39", "text": "plans, a lot of them didn't even have an"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "exfiltration part to it. And that wasn't"}, {"end": "00:23:47", "start": "00:23:43", "text": "even out of being lazy. What it meant"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "was that it was assumed to be a one-way"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:47", "text": "trip. Probably when I was a private in"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "the army, sometimes I felt expendable,"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "but I thought Green Berets weren't"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "tossed aside like that. To add to the"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "trauma response, these assignments were"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "kept secret for decades, and the guys"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "weren't even allowed to tell their"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "families and their wives about what"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "their job was. Thankfully, these weapons"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "were never used, and some of the Green"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "Berets that were interviewed on it"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "thought that it was just a psychological"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "operation to scare the Soviets, and the"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "US military never seriously considered"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "using this tactic. But now that we've"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "been all the way down the rabbit hole,"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "let's do the one that you've all been"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "waiting for, Operation Gladadio. This"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "one has the most controversy and"}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "conspiracy theories surrounding it."}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "Operation Gladadio was a top secret"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "strategy developed by European countries"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "with the United States CIA and NATO"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "allies during the 1940s and through the"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "Cold War. These were the staybehind"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "forces. Staybehind forces were covert"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "operators who lived seemingly normal"}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "lives in key strategic regions. But if"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "war broke out and friendly forces were"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "overrun, these sleeper cells would"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "activate and spring into action,"}, {"end": "00:24:56", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "grabbing bombs and weapons from"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "pre-planned caches stashed around"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:56", "text": "Europe. It only became public knowledge"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "in 1990 when the Italian prime minister"}, {"end": "00:25:05", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "officially acknowledged that there was a"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "secret staybehind force that was cenamed"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:05", "text": "Gladadio in Italy. This then sparked"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "investigations in France, Germany,"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "Belgium, and many other European"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "countries that revealed similar"}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "staybehind networks. Different NATO"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "countries had their own teams and"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "Operation Gladadio was originally just"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "the code name for the Italian"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "contingent, but that name stuck and"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "Gladadio now refers to the whole"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "network. Basically, these disclosures"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "fueled these wild theories over whether"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "these secret units had interfered in"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "domestic politics or if they were"}, {"end": "00:25:38", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "involved in false flag operations. US"}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "Army Field Manual"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:38", "text": "30-31B is one of the main pieces of"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "evidence provided for this. The document"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "was leaked to a Turkish newspaper in"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "1975. Originally, it outlines a strategy"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "of conducting attacks that would then be"}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "blamed on left-wing Soviet aligned"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "groups to then justify government"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "crackdowns against them. The US"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "government said that this document was a"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "hoax that had been contrived and created"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "by the Soviet intelligence agencies and"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "leaked to Turkey. During the Cold War,"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "these kind of staybehind networks were"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "seen by the public as resistance groups."}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "against the threat of the Soviet"}, {"end": "00:26:18", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "invasion. But absent that threat, after"}, {"end": "00:26:20", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "the Cold War, it was seen as an"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:18", "text": "overreach from intelligence agencies"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:20", "text": "that had gone a"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "mock. None of these claims have been"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "definitively proven, as far as I know."}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "Although, from what I could tell, it"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "seems like there certainly were criminal"}, {"end": "00:26:34", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "organizations at the very least that"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "found and used some of these old NATO"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:34", "text": "caches for their own nefarious purposes."}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "Since the 1990s, hundreds of these"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "weapon caches with explosive and"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "firearms have been discovered and"}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "dismantled around Europe. On one hand,"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "Operation Gladadio was a cold war era"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "insurance policy against the Soviet"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "Union. On the other hand, it serves as a"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "case study in how secrecy can erode"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "public trust. To this day, the full"}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "extent of Gladadio's activities remains"}, {"end": "00:27:03", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "shrouded in mystery. I can only imagine"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "what we'll find out about how Russians"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:03", "text": "and Western countries, what their"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "intelligence agencies were doing 20"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "years from now when we have access to"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "the archives. Maybe those are just"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "really I feel like scratching the"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "surface of Black Ops in Europe. 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[{"end": "00:00:06", "start": "00:00:01", "text": "Out of all the USO cases that you went"}, {"end": "00:00:08", "start": "00:00:04", "text": "over, which one was it? Were there any"}, {"end": "00:00:10", "start": "00:00:06", "text": "that stuck out to you or that one? Many"}, {"end": "00:00:13", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "really quite a few that I think are just"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:10", "text": "amazing. What? I can I can throw out a"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:13", "text": "couple for you. Throw a couple. Also, I"}, {"end": "00:00:18", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "I do want to I I want to know more about"}, {"end": "00:00:20", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "that 1717 case. Yeah, I'll tell you that"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "right now. That's right off the coast of"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:20", "text": "Martineique. That's in the Caribbean."}, {"end": "00:00:25", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "Okay. So, it's not that far from where"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "we are here. We're in Florida. Uh the"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:25", "text": "name of the captain, I cannot recall his"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "name. Chevalier something. Uh he wrote"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "in his log. This is so there this is at"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "um it's after midnight so it's dark. Uh"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "there was I I looked into this. There"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "was like a half moon out. So there was"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "some light that was available and what"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "he claimed to have seen"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "uh was a a vertical orientation like a"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "like a rod. He said was like a a mast of"}, {"end": "00:00:59", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "a ship. So like you I envision like a a"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "straight"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:00:59", "text": "perpendicular rod of some sort but above"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "the water uh moving along with his"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "ship. It's not the best case but it it's"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "not the worst. Like it's it was I"}, {"end": "00:01:15", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "decided to include it"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "because he wrote in a very matterof fact"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:15", "text": "way. It was like 177. 1717. Wow. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "This is way before submarines obviously."}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "Uh absolutely. and uh the 18th century"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "which that is part of there. I don't"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "there's not many that I have found."}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "There's an interesting one off the coast"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "of southern France, I think from 1740."}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "That's kind of interesting. And then"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "there's one from a river, a little small"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "river in Scotland in 17 uh 67."}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "And I think that might be it for the 18"}, {"end": "00:01:47", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "only like a couple of cases. It really"}, {"end": "00:01:50", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "starts going. The first really good one"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "that I just was kind of really taken by"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:50", "text": "took place in"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "1825. And this was on a British"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "vessel where they had just returned from"}, {"end": "00:02:05", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "Hawaii. In fact, uh well, there's a"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "there's a lot of interesting stories"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:05", "text": "going on here, but they were coming back"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "from Hawaii and they were going down the"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "Pacific uh and they were going to end up"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "in Chile. Okay. So, they were down by uh"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "the Cook Islands. So, it's like way down"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "in the south part of this Pacific, the"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "Pacific Ocean. and it's 3:30 in the"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "morning. The ships uh there was a"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "naturalist aboard the ship. I think of"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "like in the movie Master and Commander."}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "They, you know, the buddy of uh Russell"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "Crowe, the captain was this naturalist"}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "uh that they had aboard the ship and"}, {"end": "00:02:39", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "it's around the same time period. So,"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "I'm thinking something like that. He"}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:39", "text": "writes in his log, his 1825, his name"}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "was Andrew Bloxom. We've got his name."}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "His his um book is published. You can"}, {"end": "00:02:52", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "find the PDF online. I have a link to it"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "from my book. And he said, \"Yeah, 3:30"}, {"end": "00:03:00", "start": "00:02:52", "text": "the uh the watch on the ship reported a"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "spherical object emerging from the"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:00", "text": "ocean.\" He said it was like uh it looked"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "like a red cannon shot coming out of the"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "water. So, it was like a deep orange"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "type of a color, but incredibly bright."}, {"end": "00:03:14", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "He said it was so bright and he"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "literally said you could pick a pin off"}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:14", "text": "the deck. It lifted up uh to a certain"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "elevation and then went back down into"}, {"end": "00:03:26", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "the water and then came up a second time"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "and then went back into the water."}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "Now, you know, how many naturalistic"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "explanations can you think of that can"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "account for this? I can't think of any."}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "And Bloxom writes this in a very"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "straightforward way. I mean, you read"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "the rest of his diaries. I've read some"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "of it. I mean, he was clearly a very uh"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "meticulous, very rational man and uh"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "very intelligent guy. And this just this"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "one bizarre entry in his in his journal"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "from August 12th, 1825."}, {"end": "00:04:00", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "That's a heck of a case. And I thought"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "that's like the first really really cool"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:00", "text": "case. Do you remember how close or how"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "far they were from land?"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "They were off the Cook Islands. So those"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "are I don't know how close they were to"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "that. They were I I don't think they"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "were close to land. I think they were"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "out there out in the ocean. I don't know"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "exactly. So, he said, you know, and"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "there's some other good ones from the"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "19. There's one from uh is he What's"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "that there? I I found the story block"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "Sam with a with an X. Where is it? I"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "just found it. Oh, you got it. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "Well, this is the story."}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "Good. Good deal. Yeah. Any What does it"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "got? Got illustrations or what?"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "Yeah, I think this is the illustration"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "of that event. Oh. Or at least it's"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "included with the story. Oh, okay. Looks"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "like an iceberg behind it, right? Yeah."}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "That they weren't by icebergs. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "Cook Islands. There wouldn't have been"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "icebergs."}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "No, but that's the name. Andrew Bloxom"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "right there. Interesting."}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "Yeah. The HMS Blonde. Correct. That's"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "the ship. And what year again? 18 25."}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "25. Yeah. Wow. And what was the size of"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "the thing? Did they do I He you know I"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "don't think he was a direct witness. I"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "think he was reporting what the night"}, {"end": "00:05:17", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "watch reported. So there's that. So he's"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "not a direct witness. So okay, you can"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:17", "text": "take that away from him. Okay. But they"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "um"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "I don't know if they had a really good"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "size estimate. I I get the impression it"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "was kind of large. I mean it was"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "noticeable. It was very bright. Lit up"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "the deck of the ship, by the way. So"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "fast forward about 150 years to"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "1971. Okay."}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "This is going into my next"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "volume. And"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "uh the USS John F. Kennedy aircraft"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "carrier. So is near Puerto Rico. Just"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "saying. Uh they had just they were uh"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "just finished what were called carquals,"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "carrier qualifications. So they had done"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "this is a very involved series of uh"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "exercises and they had just completed"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "that. It's 8:30 July 2nd,"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "1971. and the man operating"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "communications. And we have his name. He"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "he in fact uh reported this to Steven"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "Greer 25 years ago and it's rep it's in"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "Greer's book disclosure which he wrote"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "back then and he his name is James Cop"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "with a K. And he also reported this to a"}, {"end": "00:06:26", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "couple of other"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "um websites uh at the time. So he's"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:26", "text": "operating communications on the J the"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "JFK carrier. Mhm. 8:30 at night"}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "and he"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "says suddenly all of the communication"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "he he discussed the the way the"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "communications on the ship were. He said"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "incoming and outgoing. He said suddenly"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "everything was just gibberish."}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "Everything coming in was just garbled"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "messages. He's like what what's going on"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "here? And then he hears I'm laughing but"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "it's really it's kind of not that funny."}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "He hears on the intercom someone"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "screaming it's God. it's the end of the"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "world. So he's thinking, what is going"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "on? He goes, he's able to go out and"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "look and he sees almost what is"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "described in in Bloxom's account from"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "1825. He sees a glowing orange sphere"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "hovering above or near the"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "JFK. He said it gave off about half the"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "strength of sunlight, so it's kind of"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "bright. And uh there there are sailors"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "who were having a really difficult time"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "emotionally with this. Uh one he said"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "later definitely had to be sedated in"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "some way or another and whatever. So"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "he's watching this for maybe half a"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "minute, not long and then the ship goes"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "to battle stations general quarters. So"}, {"end": "00:07:51", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "they've all got to go. So he has to go"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "back to his uh communication station"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:51", "text": "where he says for the next uh 20 25"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "minutes uh the ship was on general"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "quarters and the communications were"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "just down. And he also uh stated that he"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "believed that the weapons like aircraft"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "like um I think what do they have F4s"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "they were not operational. So the"}, {"end": "00:08:15", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "aircraft would not fly or weapons would"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "not operate. So anyway, I I mentioned"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:15", "text": "this because that glowing"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "spherical object, I mean, to me, it's"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "almost it seems like it could have been"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "identical to the one from the 1820s."}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "And you get this same type of glowing"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "globular sphere. Wow. Yeah. Like what is"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "that? Right. What is that? I wonder how"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "many of them there are. You know,"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "because like the most the the first one"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "that I ever heard about was the Tic Tac."}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "Yeah. And that thing was like zooming"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "around, zipping around and and uh I"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "think I think there's a good chance"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "there was something below the water"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "there, too. Oh, you think there was a"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "bigger ship that it came out of or"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "something like that? I think so. Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "there's talk about that and it's not"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "100% confirmed, but that's what I I"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "think is probably the case. But yeah,"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "well, we the Tic Tac's a great case for"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "sure. Absolutely. For sure. Um I mean"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "that one's like apparently it's"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "documented on all of his uh his radar,"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "right? even though it hasn't been"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "released."}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "Well, yeah, there's and there's a lot of"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "good witnesses for that. Um Kevin Day,"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "who operated the radar aboard the USS"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "Princeton, who's a very decent man, is a"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "friend of friend of ours, uh was there"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "and uh has talked about this in great"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "detail. And of course, we have David"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "Fraver's testimony and and um um number"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "of the other witnesses now have come out"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "um who have have discussed it. So, I I"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "don't think that we have any doubt that"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "something very very unusual happened"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "there for sure. Mhm. of extremely high"}, {"end": "00:09:46", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "order of intelligence as well. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "anything that can appear at the what's"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:46", "text": "called the cap the cap point before you"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "get there, they get there."}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "Uh, it's like time travel"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "some Well, Putoff called it space-time"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "metric engineering. Maybe that's what"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "they're doing. Wow. Uh, in some way San"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "Diego, right? That's not anywhere near"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "Catalina. It's off the coast of that"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "happened off the coast of lower Baja"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "California. Oh, that was in near Baja"}, {"end": "00:10:15", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "California, I think. Yeah, a little"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "south probably south uh west of San"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:15", "text": "Diego, I think. Okay. Not not that far,"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "you know, right? But off out out there"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "in the Pacific."}, {"end": "00:10:25", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "I have there's a lot of crazy stuff out"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "in the ocean. I have a friend who lives"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:25", "text": "in Tijuana and he says there's all kinds"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "of like UFO stuff going on out there,"}, {"end": "00:10:32", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "especially like in the W like USO type"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "stuff and stuff that you really don't"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:32", "text": "hear about in like the media in the US."}, {"end": "00:10:39", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "Yeah, I I think that there's a lot of"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "anecdotal information in Mexico. I have"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:39", "text": "Uh, you know, we spoke to uh a couple of"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "years ago a gentleman who had an"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "interesting USO uh account uh off the"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "Yucatan part of it, you know, on the"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "other side. Oh, really? But yeah, I"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "think I think I don't think they get"}, {"end": "00:10:57", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "reported officially. So, they're just"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "like the stories are floating around"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:57", "text": "there as it were. And uh how I I have no"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "doubt there's far more cases that are"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "connected to Mexico than we probably"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "than I have been able to find."}]

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At the time of making"}, {"end": "00:00:29", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "this video, there are about 12,000"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "satellites in Earth's orbit around our"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:29", "text": "planet. More than 7,000 of these are"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "part of the Starlink mega constellation,"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "a mission by Elon Musk's SpaceX program"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "to surround Earth with an interconnected"}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "web of satellites. And this is merely"}, {"end": "00:00:51", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "the beginning. The Starlink fleet is set"}, {"end": "00:00:54", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "to grow with thousands more satellites"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:51", "text": "to be launched, perhaps as many as"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:54", "text": "42,000."}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "These units aim to bring internet"}, {"end": "00:01:03", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "connection to the furthest regions of"}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "the globe, from the most barren Arctic"}, {"end": "00:01:09", "start": "00:01:03", "text": "tundra to towering mountain peaks,"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "persisting in all weathers and when all"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:09", "text": "other communication systems fail. But"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "Starlink is not the only satellite"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "venture from SpaceX. Less known is their"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "military project codenamed Star Shield,"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "which aims to build a satellite"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "constellation with the support of a $1.8"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "billion contract with the US Department"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "of Defense. Despite the glossy and"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "marketable name, Star Shield is shrouded"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "in secrecy. It's designed for government"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "use to support national security, but"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "how and at what cost?"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:47", "text": "I'm Alex Mccoan and you're watching"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "Astramm. Join me in our skies today as"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "we attempt to decode the corporate speak"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "of the Space X Star Shield operation and"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "what it means for our security, privacy,"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "and everyday lives. We'll explore what"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "Star Shield actually is and how it links"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "to SpaceX's more commercial satellite"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "project, the Starlink Mega"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "Constellation."}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "As satellite populations continue to"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "boom, we'll explore the background that"}, {"end": "00:02:25", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "is our new age space race. How the"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "players have changed and who is really"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:25", "text": "in charge of this final frontier."}, {"end": "00:02:37", "start": "00:02:32", "text": "Before we march into the atmospheric"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "battlefield, let's take a closer look at"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:37", "text": "a more familyfriendly SpaceX satellite"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "project, Starink."}, {"end": "00:02:47", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "First announced in 2015, Starlink was"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "designed for the purpose of rebuilding"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:47", "text": "the internet in space and aimed to place"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "4,000 satellites in low Earth orbit. Low"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "Earth orbit is standard for most"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "satellites, even the International Space"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "Station, and can be anywhere between 160"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "and 2,000 km above Earth's surface. The"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "goal of this system is connectivity"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "where you least expect it. You need only"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "plug the system in and point it at the"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "sky with their antenna to get online."}, {"end": "00:03:20", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "Besides digital gameplay in the"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "mountains or taking a work call on the"}, {"end": "00:03:24", "start": "00:03:20", "text": "beach, the idea of worldwide internet"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "connection actually has the potential"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:24", "text": "for some really positive social change."}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "Schools in remote areas of Fiji and the"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "Solomon Islands have employed the use of"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "Starink to access digital teaching"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "resources, which is making education"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "more accessible for all. The Starling"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "fleet can be used to aid communications"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "in the event of natural disasters as"}, {"end": "00:03:46", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "it's less vulnerable than standard"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "undersea cables. This came to light in"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:46", "text": "2024 when a 7.3 magnitude earthquake in"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "Vanuatu took out the country's only"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "undersea cable. Starlink was quickly"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "able to deploy 300 satellites which"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "restored connection for emergency"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "services and aided the national recovery"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "operation. These success stories have"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "contributed to Starink's popularity"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "surge and the service now has over 5.4"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "million subscribers across the globe"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "with an estimated revenue exceeding $3.2"}, {"end": "00:04:20", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "billion US."}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "These are all great selling points, but"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:20", "text": "what about the satellites themselves?"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "How do they actually work? Well, the"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "latest Starlink satellites are not"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "small. They are 30 m long and weigh as"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "much as a small car, orbiting merely 550"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "km above the Earth's surface. They are"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "launched in a stack, as many as 60 at a"}, {"end": "00:04:44", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "time on Space X's own Falcon 9 vehicles,"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "reusable two-stage rockets that have"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:44", "text": "already completed nearly 500 missions."}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "When deployed, the satellites use"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "navigation sensors to survey the stars"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "and position themselves incredibly"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "accurately. Each unit contains three"}, {"end": "00:05:02", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "space lasers which help it communicate"}, {"end": "00:05:05", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "with other units to form a global"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:02", "text": "internet mesh. They each also have eight"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:05", "text": "antennas to connect with receivers on"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "the Earth's surface and they can adjust"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "their position with ion propulsion"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "systems that use argon for precise"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "maneuverability."}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "As I mentioned before, there are now"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "over 7,000 Starling satellites currently"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "in orbit, and this number is expected to"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "grow. As you can see from this"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "availability map, the fleet already"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "covers much of the Western Hemisphere,"}, {"end": "00:05:37", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "encompassing around 2.7 billion people."}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "But SpaceX wants more, and several other"}, {"end": "00:05:42", "start": "00:05:37", "text": "countries in Africa, Southeast Asia, and"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "even Antarctica are likely to be"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:42", "text": "connected in the near future. It's quite"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "the satellite empire."}, {"end": "00:05:56", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "There may not be loads of information"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "about Starlink, but there's far less"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:56", "text": "about Star Shield, SpaceX's other"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "venture into the world of satellites. It"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "can be said that Star Shield is like"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "Starlink's darker military cousin, and"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "there are plenty of reasons why. like"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "Starlink is composed of low Earth"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "orbiting satellites, but this time they"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "serve the sole purpose of defense and"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "are wholly owned and controlled by the"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "US government following the $1.8 billion"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "contribution to the project by the"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "National Reconnaissance Office in 2021."}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "They have enhanced encryption and other"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "security features for secure data"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "processing and employ a modular design."}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "This means that the satellites can"}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "integrate a wide variety of payloads. Be"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "it for communication, earth observation,"}, {"end": "00:06:50", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "target tracking, early missile warning"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "and so on."}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:50", "text": "Governments can mix and match, designing"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "a Star Shield satellite that best fits"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "their specific requirements and defense"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "objectives. The exact details of how"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "Star Shield has been used are pretty"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "vague, but there's no doubt that it is"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "in use. The US Marines have pounced on"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "the new tech, implementing units across"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "its second marine division for both"}, {"end": "00:07:17", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "basic communications and more"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "specialized tasks like targeting and"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:17", "text": "fires. On their website, Major Tim Ren"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "from the second division praised the"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "satellites for their ability to maintain"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "services during a service level training"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "event despite poor weather conditions"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "and power outages which knocked out"}, {"end": "00:07:38", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "other satellite transmissions."}, {"end": "00:07:40", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "Likewise, in 2023, SpaceX won a one-year"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:38", "text": "contract with the United States Space"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:40", "text": "Force worth $70 million. And there has"}, {"end": "00:07:48", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "been recent speculation that Space Force"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "may continue to use SpaceX satellites"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:48", "text": "rather than front the cost of building"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "their own. The project is rapidly"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "gaining attention from clients of the"}, {"end": "00:08:02", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "highest office and shows no signs of"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "slowing down anytime soon."}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:02", "text": "But how similar is Star Shield to"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "Starlink? An important point to mention"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "is that both Starlink and Star Shield"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "can use the same interatellite laser"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "communication terminals which use laser"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "beams to form high-speed data links"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "between satellites instead of"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "traditional radio signals. SpaceX boasts"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "the only communications laser operating"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "at scale in orbit today, which basically"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "means there is much less chance of other"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "satellites, privately owned or"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "otherwise, interfering with Star"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "Shield's data. This would obviously be"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "appealing from a defense perspective,"}, {"end": "00:08:47", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "and clients can be fairly confident that"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "it works since SpaceX has been using"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:47", "text": "this technology at scale for as long as"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "Starlink has been running. In many ways,"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "Starlink is like the portfolio SpaceX"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "has brought along to its interviews for"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "Star Shield, and this has proven to be a"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "pretty effective sales technique. It's"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "clear from the marketing of both"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "products, the Starink is meant to be a"}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "public consumer service, while Star"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "Shield is used for national defense. But"}, {"end": "00:09:19", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "with such similar technology, is there"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "ever any crossover? Indeed, the line"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:19", "text": "between Starlink and Star Shield is"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "blurred when you consider recent and"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "ongoing conflicts across the globe. This"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "year, Musk has taken to X, formerly"}, {"end": "00:09:35", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "Twitter, to state that his Starlink"}, {"end": "00:09:38", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "system is the backbone of the Ukrainian"}, {"end": "00:09:40", "start": "00:09:35", "text": "army and that their entire front line"}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:38", "text": "would collapse if he turned the system"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:40", "text": "off. And he has even done so momentarily"}, {"end": "00:09:49", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "on occasions."}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "Starlink is used by the Ukrainian"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:49", "text": "military for internet connection in"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "remote war zones and the Polish"}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "digitization ministry pays an estimated"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "$50 million a year for the privilege. So"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "Starlink is being used for defense"}, {"end": "00:10:07", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "purposes and could easily be on par with"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "Star Shield as a military asset. It may"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:07", "text": "only be providing internet connection,"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "but it's what can be done with the"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "internet that turns it into a weapon."}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "And to simply turn it off would change"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "the tide on this conflict within a"}, {"end": "00:10:23", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "matter of hours. That's an awful lot of"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "responsibility for whoever's running"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:23", "text": "these satellites, perhaps more than"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "anyone could have envisioned when"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "Starlink was first proposed."}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "In a different conflict nearly 2,000 km"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "away, Starink was allowed to start"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "operating in a single hospital in Gaza"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "last year as an exception to the"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "internet blackout Israel had imposed"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "across the region following months of"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "negotiations. This has enabled vital"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "communications between humanitarian aid"}, {"end": "00:10:54", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "workers in this region. Though Israel is"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "still reluctant to allow more coverage"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:54", "text": "for fear that it could be used against"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "them in the war. These are all sensitive"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "and politically charged issues, and some"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "fear that SpaceX's involvement will make"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "them all the more difficult to resolve."}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "Essentially, this technology has given"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "private companies like SpaceX a seat at"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "the table for military debates that they"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "would never have been privy to without"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "it. For those involved in conflict,"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "having to depend on a private company"}, {"end": "00:11:26", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "rather than a humanitarian NGO or an"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "elected government official for services"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:26", "text": "that could determine their fate in that"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "conflict is risky. And yet, it's often"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "an inevitable choice in the landscape of"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "modern warfare. Without this technology,"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "they face the likelihood that it will be"}, {"end": "00:11:43", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "used against them with disastrous"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "consequences."}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:43", "text": "Perhaps Star Shield is SpaceX's way of"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "disentangling Starink from military"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "uses, but this separation won't happen"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "overnight, especially whilst these"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "conflicts continue. And even if pieces"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "won, there are logistical issues to sort"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "out with both projects. As I mentioned,"}, {"end": "00:12:05", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "Starlink and Star Shield use the same"}, {"end": "00:12:07", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "communication terminals and laser beam"}, {"end": "00:12:09", "start": "00:12:05", "text": "data links, which could make it harder"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:07", "text": "for them to function independently of"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:09", "text": "one another. But as long as they remain"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "linked, we can expect things to get"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "messy, especially if the same satellites"}, {"end": "00:12:23", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "can be seen as both a valid military"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "target and a vital service for citizens."}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:23", "text": "But putting conflict aside, are there"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "other consequences of our increasing use"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "of satellites? How could they impact our"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "skies and our dreams of exploring them"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "in the future?"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "Countries who want to avoid subscribing"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "to Starink are left with little choice"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "but to launch their own satellite"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "constellation. A task involving a lot of"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "costly rocket launches. They'll have to"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "keep a careful eye on their budget. 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Astronomers already"}, {"end": "00:13:52", "start": "00:13:49", "text": "complain about the amount of light"}, {"end": "00:13:54", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "pollution that is reflected by so many"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:52", "text": "satellites and the emissions that leak"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:54", "text": "from Starling satellites can blind radio"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "telescopes on Earth. A study published 2"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "years ago in astronomy and astrophysics"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "investigated these emissions and found"}, {"end": "00:14:08", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "that the radiation leaks exceed"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "regulations set by the International"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:08", "text": "Telecommunications Union and that the"}, {"end": "00:14:15", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "interference from the second generation"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "of Starling satellites was 32 times"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:15", "text": "stronger than the first generation."}, {"end": "00:14:22", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "Since this study was published, many"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "more such satellites have been deployed"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:22", "text": "and SpaceX has not yet finished building"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "its mega constellations."}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "China is also entering the space race"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "with their G Wang low Earth orbit"}, {"end": "00:14:36", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "communication satellites in a project"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "that looks remarkably similar to"}, {"end": "00:14:42", "start": "00:14:36", "text": "Starink. They plan to send up a further"}, {"end": "00:14:44", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "13,000 units, which will add to this"}, {"end": "00:14:46", "start": "00:14:42", "text": "growing congestion."}, {"end": "00:14:48", "start": "00:14:44", "text": "It's not just a problem for astronomers."}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:46", "text": "It is already a problem for the"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:48", "text": "operators of the satellites themselves."}, {"end": "00:14:54", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "Earlier I mentioned that staling"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "satellites are able to adjust their"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:54", "text": "positions using their ion propulsion"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "systems. Well, there is a very good"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "reason for them being able to do that."}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "In the year ending November 2024, the"}, {"end": "00:15:09", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "Starling constellation made 100,50"}, {"end": "00:15:12", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "adjustments to avoid collisions with"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:09", "text": "debris and other objects. That is one"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:12", "text": "movement every 5 minutes. Estimates"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "vary, but there are plans for perhaps"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "four or five times as many satellites in"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "low Earth orbit than are up there at"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "present. 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Not only will"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:33", "text": "all these units have to avoid each"}, {"end": "00:15:39", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "other, but getting them up into orbit"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "will add to the amount of unwanted and"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:39", "text": "unplanned objects that they will have to"}, {"end": "00:15:48", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "avoid, namely what you call space junk."}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "Every launch generates debris, a type of"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:48", "text": "space pollution, from parts of launch"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "vehicles to entire rocket bodies."}, {"end": "00:16:00", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "As far back as 1978, NASA scientist Don"}, {"end": "00:16:02", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "Kesler predicted that within 30 or 40"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:16:00", "text": "years, there would be so much debris in"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:02", "text": "low Earth orbit that collisions would"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "become inevitable. His predictions have"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "so far come true. We know of more than"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "25,000 objects larger than 10 cm up"}, {"end": "00:16:18", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "there, such as from fragments of"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "destroyed equipment or even entire"}, {"end": "00:16:23", "start": "00:16:18", "text": "derelic spacecraft and launch vehicles."}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "These are the easier objects to detect"}, {"end": "00:16:29", "start": "00:16:23", "text": "and avoid. There are also estimated to"}, {"end": "00:16:32", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "be over 1 million smaller fragments from"}, {"end": "00:16:35", "start": "00:16:29", "text": "1 cm to 10 cm littering the outer"}, {"end": "00:16:37", "start": "00:16:32", "text": "reaches of our atmosphere. This doesn't"}, {"end": "00:16:39", "start": "00:16:35", "text": "sound like much of a problem until you"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:37", "text": "consider that these miniature missiles"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:39", "text": "move at speeds of more than 25,000 kmh."}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "If you remember the principles of"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "physics from school, you'll know that"}, {"end": "00:16:53", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "the energy given off in any collision is"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "a function of mass and velocity. A"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:53", "text": "bullet dropped into your hand, for"}, {"end": "00:16:59", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "instance, feels like nothing at all."}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "Fire the same bullet from a rifle, and"}, {"end": "00:17:04", "start": "00:16:59", "text": "it can punch a hole through a steel"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "sheet. These pieces of debris are"}, {"end": "00:17:09", "start": "00:17:04", "text": "traveling at more than five times the"}, {"end": "00:17:12", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "speed of a bullet fired from a rifle. As"}, {"end": "00:17:14", "start": "00:17:09", "text": "more objects crowd into low Earth orbit,"}, {"end": "00:17:16", "start": "00:17:12", "text": "some people believe it inevitable that"}, {"end": "00:17:18", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "one of these collisions will result in"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:16", "text": "damage that sends even more debris"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:18", "text": "traveling at incredibly high speeds into"}, {"end": "00:17:25", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "the path of other satellites, resulting"}, {"end": "00:17:27", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "in more and more collisions and more"}, {"end": "00:17:30", "start": "00:17:25", "text": "debris. This chain reaction is what we"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:27", "text": "call Kesler syndrome, and you can learn"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:30", "text": "more about it on Astramm in our video"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "dedicated to this topic."}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "If Kesler syndrome does become a"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:37", "text": "reality, it could wipe out every"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "communication satellite and piece of"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "hardware currently in low Earth orbit"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "above us, including, for example, the"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "International Space Station and the"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "Hubble telescope. It would leave such a"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "vast amount of shrapnel forming a layer"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "around our planet that it would be"}, {"end": "00:18:01", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "almost impossible to launch anything"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "into space anymore. We would face the"}, {"end": "00:18:06", "start": "00:18:01", "text": "danger of becoming prisoners on our"}, {"end": "00:18:09", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "planet, trapped by a dangerous layer of"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:06", "text": "our own rubbish that could take years,"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:09", "text": "decades, or even centuries to clear"}, {"end": "00:18:16", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "away."}, {"end": "00:18:18", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "Now, that is quite the doomsday scenario"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:16", "text": "and definitely not one for the"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:18", "text": "claustrophobic. But is the situation"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "really that serious? As the combined"}, {"end": "00:18:27", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "Starlink and Star Shield network"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "continues to grow, will it inevitably"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:27", "text": "bring about its own destruction? Well,"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "as long as the satellite population"}, {"end": "00:18:37", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "continues to expand, the probability of"}, {"end": "00:18:39", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "collision will increase. This"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:37", "text": "probability is how Starling satellites"}, {"end": "00:18:43", "start": "00:18:39", "text": "decide whether or not to adjust their"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "positions in the sky. As they are"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:43", "text": "programmed with a specific limit for the"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "odds of collision and move as soon as"}, {"end": "00:18:52", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "that limit is passed. So, it's not that"}, {"end": "00:18:55", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "they know that a collision is imminent."}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:52", "text": "They just move as a precaution to be on"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:55", "text": "the safe side. The odds of collision"}, {"end": "00:19:04", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "that is widely accepted by NASA and"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "others is 1 in 10,000. But in 2024,"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:04", "text": "SpaceX quietly changed Starlink's limit"}, {"end": "00:19:13", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "to 1 in 1 million. That seems extra"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "cautious. 100 times more cautious to be"}, {"end": "00:19:18", "start": "00:19:13", "text": "exact. So, SpaceX must have a reason to"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "be playing it so safe. With a change"}, {"end": "00:19:22", "start": "00:19:18", "text": "like this, Starling satellites have to"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "undertake movements to adjust not every"}, {"end": "00:19:29", "start": "00:19:22", "text": "5 minutes, but every 30 seconds or so."}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "With so much extra movement from so many"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:29", "text": "different companies satellites, it"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "becomes incredibly difficult for anybody"}, {"end": "00:19:37", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "to keep track of where all these"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "satellites are supposed to be. And a"}, {"end": "00:19:42", "start": "00:19:37", "text": "serious collision does actually become"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "much more likely. Satellites won't just"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:42", "text": "be adjusting as a precaution. they'll"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "have to do so or face destruction."}, {"end": "00:19:55", "start": "00:19:52", "text": "A collision between satellites"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "themselves could potentially kickstart"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "Kesler syndrome, but that's not the only"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "way it could happen. Instead, the"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "collision could come not from another"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "satellite, but from a weapon designed to"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "target it. Welcome to the world of"}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "counterpace."}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "We haven't mentioned Russia yet, which"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "may seem surprising because they sent"}, {"end": "00:20:21", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "the very first functioning satellite"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "into space called Sputnik 1 in 1957."}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:21", "text": "But despite this early advantage, Russia"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "does not really have much stake in the"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "satellite space race. Back in 2023, they"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "had a total of 220 satellites in orbit,"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "which was only about 2.5% of the global"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "satellite population at the time. This"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "is due to a lack of manufacturing power"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "in Russia for satellites. In fact, they"}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "are only capable of building about 40"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "per year, which is dwarfed by the output"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "from companies like SpaceX. So perhaps"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "it was this struggle to make a satellite"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "mega constellation that prompted Russia"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "to look into other ways of exerting"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "power on the world stage."}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "In February 2024, the White House"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "confirmed it had evidence to suggest"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "that Russia was developing an"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "anti-satellite nuclear weapon. It's"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "important to note that no nuclear"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "weapons like this have actually been"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "deployed yet and the public details of"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "Russia's progress have been vague, but"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "Russia did veto a suggestion to reaffirm"}, {"end": "00:21:29", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "the now 58-year-old prohibition on"}, {"end": "00:21:31", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "putting nuclear weapons in space"}, {"end": "00:21:34", "start": "00:21:29", "text": "originally made by the outer space"}, {"end": "00:21:37", "start": "00:21:31", "text": "treaty. And even if nuclear anti-sat"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:34", "text": "weapons are still a way off, Russia is"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:37", "text": "also developing non-nuclear weapons such"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "as lasers, ground launched missiles, and"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "electronic warfare systems to target"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "satellites."}, {"end": "00:21:54", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "On the 15th of November 2021, Russia"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "tested a direct ascent anti-satellite"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:54", "text": "missile called A235"}, {"end": "00:22:03", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "Nudol, which successfully destroyed"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "Cosmos 1408,"}, {"end": "00:22:09", "start": "00:22:03", "text": "one of their own obsolete satellites."}, {"end": "00:22:11", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "This littered low Earth orbit with the"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:09", "text": "resulting debris and set off alarm bells"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:11", "text": "at the Petersonen Space Force Base in"}, {"end": "00:22:19", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "Colorado, USA. Resulting from the test,"}, {"end": "00:22:21", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "more than 1,500"}, {"end": "00:22:23", "start": "00:22:19", "text": "trackable pieces of debris were"}, {"end": "00:22:26", "start": "00:22:21", "text": "identified with the potential to"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:23", "text": "generate hundreds of thousands more"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:26", "text": "smaller pieces as they continue their"}, {"end": "00:22:33", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "orbital path around the planet. This has"}, {"end": "00:22:36", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "been condemned by the US Army as a"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:33", "text": "deliberate disregard for the security,"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:36", "text": "safety, stability, and long-term"}, {"end": "00:22:43", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "sustainability of the space domain for"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "all nations. The fallout from this"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:43", "text": "single test will pose a threat to"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "activities in outer space for years to"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "come and will make collision avoidance"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "even trickier for satellites trying to"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "maintain mega constellations like"}, {"end": "00:22:59", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "Starlink and Star Shield. So Kesler was"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "not shooting for the moon with his"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:22:59", "text": "theory. And as we've seen, there are"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "plenty of ways for it to come true."}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "Whether it's a collision between"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "satellites that got their calculations"}, {"end": "00:23:13", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "wrong or an intentional attack from a"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "hostile nation, the resulting debris"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:13", "text": "could be enough to kickstart a chain"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "reaction of destruction. And things"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "won't be looking good for our future"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "missions to explore space."}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "There is another aspect of this story"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "that we haven't considered yet. If this"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "proliferation of orbiting electronics"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "does manage to continue without"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "triggering its own destruction, either"}, {"end": "00:23:41", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "accidental or deliberate, what happens"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "to all this equipment when it reaches"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:41", "text": "the end of its life? Right now, for the"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "military star shield hardware to"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "function, it needs the Starlink network"}, {"end": "00:23:54", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "across the globe. These satellites have"}, {"end": "00:23:57", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "a life of four to 5 years. And as we've"}, {"end": "00:23:59", "start": "00:23:54", "text": "seen, they cannot simply be left to add"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:57", "text": "to the congestion and become more space"}, {"end": "00:24:05", "start": "00:23:59", "text": "junk when they are no longer of use. As"}, {"end": "00:24:07", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "the old saying goes, what comes up must"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:05", "text": "come down."}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "SpaceX states on its website that its"}, {"end": "00:24:15", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "satellites are demisable, meaning that"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "they fully break up and burn up during"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:15", "text": "atmospheric re-entry. And if any"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "fragments were to escape this fate,"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "SpaceX assures that they would have"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "negligible impact energy. This is"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "somewhat reassuring, but SpaceX can't"}, {"end": "00:24:33", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "possibly promise 100% demisability for"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "all of its satellites across every"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:33", "text": "situation for as long as Starlink and"}, {"end": "00:24:41", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "Star Shield continue. Nor can any"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "satellite operator for that matter. And"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:41", "text": "sadly, after conducting some research"}, {"end": "00:24:49", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "into this, some scientists have noted"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "that this impact energy may not be as"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:49", "text": "negligible as we thought. This year, an"}, {"end": "00:24:56", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "article was published in Nature"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "revealing that many companies do not"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:56", "text": "have clear plans for removing old"}, {"end": "00:25:03", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "satellites from orbit and that it can be"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "very difficult to predict where they"}, {"end": "00:25:08", "start": "00:25:03", "text": "will land. The article detailed two"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "events in the past couple of years where"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:08", "text": "large pieces of space junk had landed in"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "Kenya and Uganda at the speed of a small"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "missile which scattered wreckage up to"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "40 km without warning."}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "With more uncontrolled satellite"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "re-entries like this, any location on"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "Earth could be in a firing line and even"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "commercial airplanes are put at risk."}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "What's more, many operators leave their"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "space junk to decay naturally wherever"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "it does land, which is a near impossible"}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "task for materials built to withstand"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "the extremes of space flight. This"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "proves that there is at least some risk"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "from satellite re-entry, both for people"}, {"end": "00:25:56", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "and the environment, and that affected"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "areas are often given little to no"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:56", "text": "warning when things do go wrong. And"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "even if the satellites do burn up during"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "re-entry, as they're supposed to, this"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "can cause damage of its own. The part of"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "our planet's atmosphere where this"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "burning takes place is home to the"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "notoriously fragile ozone layer. When"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "these satellites, which are largely made"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "of aluminium, burn up in the atmosphere,"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "they produce nano particles of aluminium"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "oxides, which are known to accelerate"}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "ozone depletion. A study published in"}, {"end": "00:26:32", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "2024 sought to investigate this impact"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "and found that the demise of a typical"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:32", "text": "250 kg satellite can generate around 30"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "kg of aluminium oxide nano particles."}, {"end": "00:26:47", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "And bear in mind the V2 Starling"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "satellites weigh around 800 kg. Once"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:47", "text": "produced, these nanop particles can"}, {"end": "00:26:54", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "remain in the atmosphere for decades,"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "leading to a significant risk of ozone"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:54", "text": "depletion. So even the safe demise of"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "these satellites can have some major"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "environmental impacts. We've made some"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "huge efforts towards protecting our"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "ozone layer following the ban on"}, {"end": "00:27:11", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "chlorofluocarbons"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "or CFC's back in 1979."}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:11", "text": "It would be a shame to see that effort"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "go to waste because of some improper"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "satellite disposal."}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "All in all, it's clear that there are"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "some major concerns arising from our"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "modern-day satellite use. These issues"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "go beyond just Starlink and Star Shield."}, {"end": "00:27:33", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "But as a key player in this new space"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "race, SpaceX will have a big role to"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:33", "text": "play in deciding how to tackle them."}, {"end": "00:27:41", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "Given the risks, we need decisive action"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "so that space can remain a viable domain"}, {"end": "00:27:46", "start": "00:27:41", "text": "for us to explore whilst hopefully"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "maintaining the benefits that satellites"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:46", "text": "can provide."}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "When we began research for this video,"}, {"end": "00:27:58", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "we merely thought it would be"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "interesting to find out more about the"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:58", "text": "Star Shield project. Military innovation"}, {"end": "00:28:05", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "in science and technology has helped to"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "create many of the things we take for"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:05", "text": "granted in our daily lives. From"}, {"end": "00:28:13", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "microwave ovens to duct tape and we are"}, {"end": "00:28:15", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "interested in all things space. Details"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:13", "text": "on the inner workings of Star Shield and"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "Starink have been hard to come by which"}, {"end": "00:28:23", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "is understandable since these satellites"}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "are currently playing an active role in"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:23", "text": "several major conflicts around the"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "globe. But it's no less important for us"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "to know how this technology is being"}, {"end": "00:28:35", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "used and how it can play into our"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "futures. Satellite production has become"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:35", "text": "his own space race for the 21st century"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "and for a whole host of players are"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "trying to get a piece of the pie. The"}, {"end": "00:28:48", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "benefits can be huge for the economy,"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "education, disaster recovery, social"}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:48", "text": "equality, and more. But given the"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "growing influence of those wielding the"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "control, it's worth carefully"}, {"end": "00:29:01", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "considering how their role will change"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "as the line between corporate leadership"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:01", "text": "and political influence continues to"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "blur. Politics aside, satellites are"}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "shaping our planet's orbital zone, which"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "itself is a finite resource. In our"}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:13", "text": "planet's low orbital zone, space is"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "indeed limited, and without careful"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "planning, we may reach a point where"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "satellites are the only thing we ever"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "launch into orbit again. My goal with"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "Astramm has always been to make space"}, {"end": "00:29:32", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "accessible to everyone with these videos"}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "sharing the wonders of our universe and"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:32", "text": "beyond. I'm just hoping that with these"}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:35", "text": "warnings in mind, SpaceX and other"}, {"end": "00:29:43", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "satellite operators will be able to"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:40", "text": "achieve their goals whilst ensuring that"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:43", "text": "the skies remain accessible for the"}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "generations to come. After all, what is"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "space without room for our ambition to"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "explore and understand it? So, thank you"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "for watching and see you next time."}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "Thanks for watching and thanks to our"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "crew of astronauts over at Patreon who"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "help us make science knowledge freely"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "available to everyone. Chasing the"}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "algorithm can be hit and miss sometimes,"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "so your contributions help us keep"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "making the content we love. 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The asteroid"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "terrestrial impact last alert system."}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:33", "text": "This system uses powerful telescopes in"}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "Hawaii and South Africa to scan the"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "night sky automatically for any unusual"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "or potentially dangerous space objects."}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "After the object was noticed, it was"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "confirmed by experts at NASA's Center"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "for Near Earth Object Studies. And the"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "research team has now confirmed that"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "this new interstellar object isn't a"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "glitch or an error. It's real. What"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "makes three/atlas"}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "so fascinating is its strange speed and"}, {"end": "00:01:11", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "unknown nature. Scientists still aren't"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "sure what it actually is. It could be a"}, {"end": "00:01:17", "start": "00:01:11", "text": "comet, an asteroid, or maybe even"}, {"end": "00:01:20", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "something we've never seen before. One"}, {"end": "00:01:22", "start": "00:01:17", "text": "well-known astronomer, Avi Lo from"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:20", "text": "Harvard University, who famously"}, {"end": "00:01:27", "start": "00:01:22", "text": "suggested that OmuA Mua might have been"}, {"end": "00:01:29", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "an alien probe has weighed in again."}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:27", "text": "This time he's suggesting that"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:29", "text": "scientists use the powerful James Web"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "Space Telescope to study this newly"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "discovered interstellar object in more"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "detail. He wants to look for signs of"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "non-gravitational acceleration, which"}, {"end": "00:01:48", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "means movement that can't be explained"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "just by gravity alone. If such a force"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:48", "text": "is detected, it could hint at some kind"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "of artificial propulsion. In other"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "words, it might not be a natural object"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "at all. In today's video, we'll explore"}, {"end": "00:02:06", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "this strange new interstellar object in"}, {"end": "00:02:08", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "detail. Where did it come from? How big"}, {"end": "00:02:10", "start": "00:02:06", "text": "is it? Where is it right now? And most"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:08", "text": "importantly, could it be something"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:10", "text": "artificial?"}, {"end": "00:02:16", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "On Tuesday, astronomers using a"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "telescope in Chile spotted something"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:16", "text": "strange in the sky. It looked like an"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "unknown asteroid moving on a very"}, {"end": "00:02:27", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "unusual path, possibly coming close to"}, {"end": "00:02:30", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "Earth's orbit. At first, they called it"}, {"end": "00:02:33", "start": "00:02:27", "text": "a 11PL3Z."}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:30", "text": "But soon, things got more interesting."}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:33", "text": "Follow-up observations on July 1st and"}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "2nd showed that this object wasn't"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "following a typical path. In fact, it"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "might even be interstellar, meaning it"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "could be coming from outside our solar"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "system. Then, an amateur astronomer"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "named Sam Dean made a breakthrough. He"}, {"end": "00:02:56", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "found the object in older photos taken"}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "by the Atlas telescope back in late"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:56", "text": "June. Thanks to this discovery,"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "scientists were able to track the object"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "better and calculate its path more"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "accurately. By Wednesday evening, the"}, {"end": "00:03:10", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "Minor Planet Center, the group that"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "keeps track of space objects, had"}, {"end": "00:03:16", "start": "00:03:10", "text": "received over 100 confirmed sightings"}, {"end": "00:03:18", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "from telescopes all around the world."}, {"end": "00:03:21", "start": "00:03:16", "text": "Some astronomers even reported that the"}, {"end": "00:03:23", "start": "00:03:18", "text": "object might be comet. With all this new"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:21", "text": "information, the Minor Planet Center"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:23", "text": "gave it an official name, three/Atlas,"}, {"end": "00:03:32", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "making it only the third interstellar"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "object ever recorded. Paul Chas,"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:32", "text": "director of the Center for Near-Earth"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "Object Studies at NASA's Jet Propulsion"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "Laboratory in California, said in a"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "statement, \"This thing is traveling"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "pretty fast. There's no uncertainty that"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "the comet came from interstellar space."}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "If you trace its orbit backward, it"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "seems to be coming from the center of"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "the galaxy, more or less. It definitely"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "came from another solar system. We don't"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "know which one. At the moment, this"}, {"end": "00:04:04", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "object is moving through the solar"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "system at an incredible speed of about"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:04", "text": "152,000 mph."}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "It's currently about 3.8 times farther"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "from the sun than Earth is. Its first"}, {"end": "00:04:18", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "close planetary encounter will be on"}, {"end": "00:04:22", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "October 3rd, 2025 when it passes near"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:18", "text": "Mars. Then on October 23rd, it will"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:22", "text": "reach its closest point to the sun,"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "coming within twice the distance between"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "Earth and the Sun. Earth, however, will"}, {"end": "00:04:33", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "be on the opposite side of the sun"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "during this flyby. So there's no danger"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:33", "text": "of the object coming anywhere near us."}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "Its closest approach to Earth is"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "expected in December 2025,"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "just as this interstellar object begins"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "its journey out of our solar system for"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "good. Well, three I/Atlas isn't the"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "first interstellar visitor to baffle"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "scientists. So far, only two"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "interstellar objects have ever been"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "confirmed, and both have left experts"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "with more questions than answers. In"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "2017, astronomers discovered an"}, {"end": "00:05:10", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "interstellar object named Umua Mua, the"}, {"end": "00:05:13", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "first of its kind ever observed. This"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:10", "text": "elongated cigar-shaped object passed"}, {"end": "00:05:18", "start": "00:05:13", "text": "through our solar system at a high"}, {"end": "00:05:20", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "speed, puzzling scientists. Scientists"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:18", "text": "were puzzled by Umuam Mua's nature. It's"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:20", "text": "because when Umuam Mua moved away from"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "the sun, it sped up slightly, which is"}, {"end": "00:05:32", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "unusual. Normally objects like asteroids"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "or comets slow down due to gravity. But"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:32", "text": "Umua Mua didn't behave like a typical"}, {"end": "00:05:40", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "comet either. It had no visible tail, no"}, {"end": "00:05:44", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "outgassing, and was shaped more like a"}, {"end": "00:05:47", "start": "00:05:40", "text": "long cigar or flat pancake. This strange"}, {"end": "00:05:50", "start": "00:05:44", "text": "acceleration puzzled scientists. Some"}, {"end": "00:05:52", "start": "00:05:47", "text": "proposed it could be natural, like gas"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:50", "text": "escaping invisibly, but others like"}, {"end": "00:05:58", "start": "00:05:52", "text": "Harvard's Avi Loab even suggested it"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "might be an alien spacecraft. Later in"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:05:58", "text": "2019, another interstellar visitor"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "Borosoft was observed. Unlike Umuam Mua,"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "Borosoft was clearly a comet with a"}, {"end": "00:06:13", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "visible tail and composition resembling"}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "comets within our solar system. Its"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:13", "text": "detection confirmed that interstellar"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "objects are not one-off events, but"}, {"end": "00:06:22", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "might occur more frequently than"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "previously thought. Following the"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:22", "text": "discoveries of Umuam Mua and Borosoft,"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "the newly detected object Atlas has now"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "become the third confirmed interstellar"}, {"end": "00:06:36", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "visitor to enter our solar system. Right"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "now, scientists aren't entirely sure how"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:36", "text": "big this newly discovered object is."}, {"end": "00:06:45", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "However, Professor Ai Loeb recently"}, {"end": "00:06:48", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "pointed out that it's unusually bright,"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:45", "text": "which could be a clue. He explained what"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:48", "text": "accounts for its significant brightness."}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "If the surface were dark, like that of a"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "rocky asteroid, it would have to be"}, {"end": "00:07:03", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "huge, around 12 m or 20 km wide to"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "reflect this much light. If true, that"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:03", "text": "would make it much larger than both"}, {"end": "00:07:10", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "Umuamua and Boris."}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "Before the discovery of Umuam Mua in"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:10", "text": "2017, not a single interstellar object"}, {"end": "00:07:19", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "had ever been confirmed passing through"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "our solar system. Now, within just a few"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:19", "text": "years, we've identified three. Some"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "scientists find this deeply puzzling."}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "After centuries of silence, why are we"}, {"end": "00:07:31", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "suddenly seeing these visitors from"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "other star systems? Could it be that"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:31", "text": "such objects have always passed by, but"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "we simply lacked the technology to"}, {"end": "00:07:42", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "detect them? Or is there something truly"}, {"end": "00:07:44", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "different about this recent wave? A few"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:42", "text": "researchers have even proposed a bold"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:44", "text": "idea that some of these objects may have"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "artificial origins, possibly even probes"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "from distant civilizations."}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "Their strange shapes, speeds, and"}, {"end": "00:08:00", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "unexplained movements fuel this"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "speculation. Scientists will continue"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:00", "text": "observing three I/Atlas over the coming"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "weeks and months to learn more about its"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "size, shape, and where it might have"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "come from. Compared to when Umuwa Mua"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "and Borosov passed by, today's"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "telescopes and tracking systems are far"}, {"end": "00:08:22", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "more advanced, giving us a better chance"}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "to study this mysterious visitor in"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:22", "text": "detail. In the near future, the Vera"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "Rubin Observatory in Chile will begin"}, {"end": "00:08:33", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "scanning the entire sky every few days."}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "This powerful new observatory is"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:33", "text": "expected to detect more interstellar"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "objects, possibly even earlier in their"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "journey, offering a clearer picture of"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "how often these cosmic travelers pass"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "through our solar system. At the end, I"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "will say there's no reason to worry"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "about three I/Atlas hitting Earth. It's"}, {"end": "00:08:57", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "just passing through, giving us a brief"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "but exciting chance to observe a true"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:57", "text": "visitor from another star system. If you"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "enjoyed the video and want to support"}, {"end": "00:09:06", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "our work, you can do so by clicking"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "super thanks or by grabbing one of our"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:06", "text": "awesome t-shirts from our merch store."}, {"end": "00:09:13", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "Thanks so much for watching and a huge"}, {"end": "00:09:15", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "thank you to our channel members for"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:13", "text": "your continued support. See you in the"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:15", "text": "next video."}]

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He has"}, {"end": "00:00:21", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "infiltrated the outlaws, joined the"}, {"end": "00:00:23", "start": "00:00:18", "text": "clan, got an uplose uh look at the new"}, {"end": "00:00:27", "start": "00:00:21", "text": "strain of white supremacy recruiting"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:23", "text": "young American people. um story of"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:27", "text": "murder plots, drugs, demons, pagan"}, {"end": "00:00:35", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "animal sacrifices, a story of him in the"}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "basement that you'll never forget."}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:35", "text": "But but he's telling now a story"}, {"end": "00:00:45", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "um from somebody who was undercover from"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "the FBI when less Americans trust our"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:45", "text": "FBI. So it begs the question, who is"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "still looking out for"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "you? You're going to be riveted. Scott"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "Payne in reading your book. I don't know"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "how you're not"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "schizophrenic. I mean, honestly, I don't"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "know how how did"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "you how did you balance the two worlds?"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "uh in the beginning not very well"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "uh you know if you're doing like I"}, {"end": "00:01:31", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "started at a street we call it street"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "level so you're doing street level buys"}, {"end": "00:01:36", "start": "00:01:31", "text": "you roll up you make a buy you know"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "you're not deep undercover necessarily"}, {"end": "00:01:42", "start": "00:01:36", "text": "um but once I got in the FBI and then"}, {"end": "00:01:45", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "you're doing deep cover for long times"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:42", "text": "long periods of time"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:45", "text": "yeah the balance for me where I messed"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "up really. It wasn't like a lot of"}, {"end": "00:01:55", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "people think, \"Hey, you're acting. I'm"}, {"end": "00:01:57", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "pretending to be somebody I'm not.\""}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:55", "text": "Yeah, I'm not a criminal, right? You"}, {"end": "00:02:01", "start": "00:01:57", "text": "know, of course, I'm not a white"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "supremacist or, you know, uh a super"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:01", "text": "violent person, you know, committing"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "crimes, but I'm still me. I'm still"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "Scott, you know. I'm uh Yeah. But is I"}, {"end": "00:02:14", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "mean, I was fascinated in in when you"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:14", "text": "said the friendships are real. Yeah. I"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "just betray them. Yeah. Yeah. And and"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "you know there are times"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "when you know one of the guys, you know,"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "crying said, \"I love you, man.\" And that"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "that has to That one hurt. It had to."}, {"end": "00:02:41", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "Yeah, that one hurt. Tell that story."}, {"end": "00:02:44", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "Um, so I I did a a two-year case uh"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:41", "text": "inside the Outlaws uh motorcycle club."}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:44", "text": "That's one of the big four 1enter clubs."}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "You got Hell's Angels, Outlaws, probably"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "Bandidos, and then somebody else after"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "that. Explain 1enters. Oh, sorry. Uh"}, {"end": "00:03:01", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "uh 1enters for the listeners uh or"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "viewers. Um 1enter comes, it came out"}, {"end": "00:03:06", "start": "00:03:01", "text": "around 1960. It was in it was during the"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "Vietnam um war, but a lot of veterans"}, {"end": "00:03:11", "start": "00:03:06", "text": "were coming back and they were creating"}, {"end": "00:03:13", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "these biker clubs. and the president of"}, {"end": "00:03:17", "start": "00:03:11", "text": "the American Motorcycle Association came"}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:13", "text": "out and blasted this media thing, you"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:17", "text": "know, marketing that said, \"Hey, listen."}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "99% of all motorcycle riders are good"}, {"end": "00:03:27", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "law-abiding citizens. It's only 1%'s"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "this bad.\" And they took that as a badge"}, {"end": "00:03:30", "start": "00:03:27", "text": "of honor. And that's why you see those"}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "clubs, you'll see a diamond patch with"}, {"end": "00:03:37", "start": "00:03:30", "text": "the 1enter in it. But I've recently uh"}, {"end": "00:03:39", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "made the correlation that was kind of"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:37", "text": "crazy to me because I did enjoy that"}, {"end": "00:03:48", "start": "00:03:39", "text": "lifestyle. I am a biker. Um but in law"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "enforcement, it's 1% of law enforcement"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:48", "text": "that does undercover work, like deep"}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "undercover work. So I guess I'm still I"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "guess I'm a 1enter in some point. But"}, {"end": "00:04:02", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "yeah. So So you're in the 1% Yes. club."}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "Um and what are you there to do? Well,"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:02", "text": "the case starts usually on the long-term"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "cases, like the case team's already been"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "working it. I'm not up there. I wasn't"}, {"end": "00:04:13", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "in Boston. I was assigned to San Antonio"}, {"end": "00:04:15", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "division at that time. Um, but the case"}, {"end": "00:04:17", "start": "00:04:13", "text": "team works it. They get to the point to"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:15", "text": "where they can actually maybe try to"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:17", "text": "introduce an undercover and then we come"}, {"end": "00:04:23", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "in and we come up with a game plan and"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "try to do that. They had a lot of"}, {"end": "00:04:27", "start": "00:04:23", "text": "evidence and and um uh through law"}, {"end": "00:04:30", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "enforcement activity that crimes were"}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:27", "text": "being committed, but is it enough to get"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:30", "text": "a federal charge? is, you know, how do"}, {"end": "00:04:37", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "you know what they're what they're"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "really doing deep within? And the"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:37", "text": "undercover can give you that if you if"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "it if it's a success, and ours was. So,"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "I went in there for two years developing"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "relationships and getting evidence of"}, {"end": "00:04:51", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "criminal activity. It started with them."}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "It started with like um uh insurance"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:51", "text": "fraud. like they would they would report"}, {"end": "00:04:56", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "their car stolen and they would get"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "their money from the insurance company,"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:56", "text": "but I would buy the car or vehicle,"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "truck, motorcycle from them at a stolen"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "price. And then they they believed I was"}, {"end": "00:05:08", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "taking them to to Mexico cuz I was based"}, {"end": "00:05:11", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "out of I was based out of Macallen,"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:08", "text": "Texas. And uh and then that starts with"}, {"end": "00:05:15", "start": "00:05:11", "text": "that and then next thing you know, you"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "start gaining more trust. Um, you start"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:15", "text": "becoming uh you get more scrutinized as"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "the as the circles open up and then they"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "carjack somebody and they call me and"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "they're like, \"Man, we need to get rid"}, {"end": "00:05:30", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "of this car. It is hot. We just took it"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "from somebody at gunpoint, blah blah"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:30", "text": "blah.\" And then they start talking about"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "home invasions and then you're picking"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "up some stuff on extortion and there's"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "always dope deals. Um, and and that's we"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "were building that case. You kind of go"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "where the case takes you. But back to"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "your original question is you you do"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "develop friendships. Now don't get me"}, {"end": "00:05:54", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "wrong on some cases. I mean like am I"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "really can I really bond with a violent"}, {"end": "00:05:59", "start": "00:05:54", "text": "white supremacist? Yeah. Yeah. No, I I"}, {"end": "00:06:03", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "mean I can try to find something to talk"}, {"end": "00:06:05", "start": "00:05:59", "text": "about, but um but on some cases and"}, {"end": "00:06:07", "start": "00:06:03", "text": "especially that one uh you can develop"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:05", "text": "some pretty close relationships and I"}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:07", "text": "did uh over that two-year period."}, {"end": "00:06:15", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "Is"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "it I I and and maybe I'm just really"}, {"end": "00:06:20", "start": "00:06:15", "text": "naive, but I I"}, {"end": "00:06:24", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "I meet people who are supposedly, you"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:20", "text": "know, horrendous one way or another. And"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:24", "text": "I can I feel as though I can see who"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "they actually are, not who they were"}, {"end": "00:06:34", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "born to be, who who they really are, you"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "know, without all the crap of their"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:34", "text": "life. Do you is that what you bond with?"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "Do you see that? sometimes like good"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "things and really bad people. Sometimes."}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "Absolutely. I I um I mean I'm I'm a"}, {"end": "00:06:53", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "human. Yeah. Uh but yeah, you can look a"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "lot of times. It's not every case, but"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:53", "text": "there's been numerous times where I've"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "looked and me looking at it through my"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "eyes, I'm going, \"Well, that could have"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "been me. Um they grew up in this"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "environment. Something happened here and"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "they chose this way.\" When that at that"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "proverbial fork in the road, I chose"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "this way. But that could have easily"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "been me. How many of these people do you"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "meet and and they're just like evil to"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "the core? Oh, a lot. Yeah. I mean, so"}, {"end": "00:07:20", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "how do you deal with that? How do you"}, {"end": "00:07:22", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "stay in a room? I watch these mo, you"}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:20", "text": "know, I watch movies of people who are"}, {"end": "00:07:26", "start": "00:07:22", "text": "undercover, you know, even like, you"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "know, Mission Impossible and I'm a"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:26", "text": "peripheral character going, I could"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "never do that. I would freak out of my"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "mind. How do you how do you stay in a"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "room full of just what you know is evil?"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "How does that happen? What do you do to"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "turn off? Well, that's a good question."}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "I'm You're asking me and what's popping"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "in my head is I'm just in work mode, you"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "know? Uh I mean, I know I've got a job"}, {"end": "00:07:53", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "to do. I know I'm there, but it"}, {"end": "00:07:55", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "essentially the job is to to find out. I"}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:53", "text": "mean, we're being proactive most of the"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:55", "text": "time in these cases. You're not"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "reactive. You're you're being proactive."}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "You've got reporting possibly of some"}, {"end": "00:08:05", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "bad things happening, but let's just"}, {"end": "00:08:07", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "take the white supremacy stuff and and"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:05", "text": "that kind of rhetoric under the First"}, {"end": "00:08:11", "start": "00:08:07", "text": "Amendment freedom of speech protection,"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "right? So, you go in there and maybe"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:11", "text": "after 5 months, you find out they're not"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "doing anything illegal. So, I'm kind of"}, {"end": "00:08:19", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "in work mode, but don't get me wrong, I"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "mean, when I'm sitting across the table"}, {"end": "00:08:24", "start": "00:08:19", "text": "from a pedophile who's hiring me to kill"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "the kid that he molested,"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:24", "text": "I have to I mean, I have to Maybe that"}, {"end": "00:08:30", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "is acting right there. Maybe because We"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "don't we don't say it's acting and and"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:30", "text": "we don't call it an acting school. I'm"}, {"end": "00:08:37", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "using what what I know about me and and"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "I'm just you got to be using"}, {"end": "00:08:41", "start": "00:08:37", "text": "personifying that. But yeah, when you're"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "sitting across from a even as a even as"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:41", "text": "an agent, not just as an undercover, but"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "even as a case agent and you're working"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "those types of cases and you're seeing"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "the hard the horrific things and there's"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "a lot of people out there that just"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "don't know how evil the world can be or"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "is. Yeah. And and I get it. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "maybe their brain doesn't let them deal"}, {"end": "00:09:01", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "with that. I got family members, they"}, {"end": "00:09:03", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "can't deal with it. You know, you see"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:09:01", "text": "something and they're like, \"Oh my gosh,"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:03", "text": "how can something like that happen?\" And"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "I'm like, \"Well, you don't even know the"}, {"end": "00:09:11", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "half of it.\" But I am an optimist and"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "I'm a glasses half full guy and my faith"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:11", "text": "has carried me through a lot of things."}, {"end": "00:09:17", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "And what is the role of faith that that"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "I mean because I and I was so glad to"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:17", "text": "see this in your book. you make big deal"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "out of faith and um"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "I haven't really seen that covered on on"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "other podcasts with you and I think I"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "think that's so critical here because"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "you I I want to later go into what the"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "dark side of the stuff that you have"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "seen that is you know on the horizon"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "with the kind of the new brand of really"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "bad people but tell me about faith tell"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "me about your faith when you were young"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "how did you grow up what happened so I"}, {"end": "00:09:53", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "grew up in a Christian home. Um it was a"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "it was more Southern Baptist when where"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:53", "text": "when I grew up. It was the hellfire and"}, {"end": "00:10:00", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "brimstone, you know, don't do this,"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "don't do that. And then and then usually"}, {"end": "00:10:04", "start": "00:10:00", "text": "that's the person you find doing it"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "anyway. Which is I'm like that's human"}, {"end": "00:10:09", "start": "00:10:04", "text": "stuff, right? I'm like, well, you know,"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "you're on the front line now. I'm like,"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:09", "text": "yeah, I didn't want it till you told me"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "I couldn't have it, you know? Uh, but I"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "grew up that way and it was just what I"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "was the way I was raised by my parents"}, {"end": "00:10:21", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "and the love and my whole family. I"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "mean, both of my grandfathers were"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:21", "text": "pastors. Wow. Um, and and uh I saw Did I"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "see I'm pretty sure I saw my mom's dad"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "preach a few times. Um, but he would get"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "a shout out on the Gaithers. You know,"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "they talk about being at a tent revival"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "in South Carolina and you're like, \"Ah,"}, {"end": "00:10:42", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "that's my grandpa.\" Wow. But, um, that's"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "what I grew up around. Does that mean I"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:42", "text": "stayed that way? Absolutely not. But you"}, {"end": "00:10:48", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "had a brush with darkness. Oh, big time."}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "Yeah. I uh my first seven years of"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:48", "text": "school was at a Christian school. Um my"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "parents were doing well enough to put me"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "in a private school. Um which had its"}, {"end": "00:11:02", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "own issues when I went to public school"}, {"end": "00:11:04", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "in 8th grade. You know, I was like uh"}, {"end": "00:11:07", "start": "00:11:02", "text": "just to say peer pressure was a new"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:04", "text": "thing for me. You know, uh you know,"}, {"end": "00:11:09", "start": "00:11:07", "text": "it's wrong to do it, but if somebody"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "calls you a chicken, you're like, well,"}, {"end": "00:11:14", "start": "00:11:09", "text": "I'm not a chicken. I mean, you know what"}, {"end": "00:11:17", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "I mean? I mean, I know I'm going to get"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:14", "text": "expelled if I do this, but I might be a"}, {"end": "00:11:21", "start": "00:11:17", "text": "lot of things, but I'm not a chicken."}, {"end": "00:11:23", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "Uh, I think I learned a lesson. I think"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:21", "text": "it was in Back to the Future two or"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:23", "text": "three. Yeah. Yeah. Chicken thing. Um, so"}, {"end": "00:11:32", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "in my teenage years, I did and and I put"}, {"end": "00:11:34", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "this in the book. I I went through a"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:32", "text": "little spell of"}, {"end": "00:11:39", "start": "00:11:34", "text": "uh uh it started with like witchcraft"}, {"end": "00:11:41", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "stuff and then it led into like just you"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:39", "text": "were you were Yeah. Yeah. like a friend."}, {"end": "00:11:47", "start": "00:11:41", "text": "I always air quotes my friend introduced"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "me. Um and it starts kind of innocent"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:47", "text": "and stupid, but it I ended up just going"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "into full-blown Satan worshiping, you"}, {"end": "00:11:56", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "know, wanting to sign a contract in"}, {"end": "00:12:00", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "blood and all this crazy stuff. I"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:56", "text": "watched um every horror movie from A to"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:00", "text": "Z that was out, you know, at the when"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "you could go rent movies. Yeah. On a VCR"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "tape. Um and I was just in a real dark"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "place. I didn't realize at the time, of"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "course I didn't. I was a teenager. But"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "when you get older and you look back,"}, {"end": "00:12:18", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "I'm like, \"Oh man, my parents had gotten"}, {"end": "00:12:20", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "divorced and that, you know, that hey,"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:18", "text": "are you okay with this?\" Cuz I I'd never"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:20", "text": "seen my parents argue at all. But that"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "last year, that last year they argued"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "non-stop and then they got a divorce."}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "They got separated and then they got a"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "divorce. And looking back, I could see"}, {"end": "00:12:33", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "that, you know, it's like, \"Hey, are you"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "okay with this?\" \"Yeah, I don't care.\""}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:33", "text": "\"Yeah, I don't care.\" I was probably"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "saying something else, a little more a"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "little more vulgar in my mind, you know,"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "I don't, you know, but that went into"}, {"end": "00:12:45", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "everything I did. I started and that's"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "kind of like I don't care. And it kind"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:45", "text": "of goes, it doesn't kind of go, it goes"}, {"end": "00:12:54", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "with, if you look at gangs, cults,"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "um, extremism, whether it's far left,"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:54", "text": "far right, radical jihad, they kind of,"}, {"end": "00:13:02", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "you'll see this thing where they're"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "grabbing somebody who has a need to"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:02", "text": "belong. Um, wants to fit in. Maybe even"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "as a young man, you want power and and"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "you you that's kind of that's that"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "slippery slope that led me down that"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "path. And then as I tell the story in"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "the book, I'm I'm still unbelievable"}, {"end": "00:13:22", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "friends with my core high school group."}, {"end": "00:13:24", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "And the only thing we can chalk it up to"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:22", "text": "is that it's everything we went through"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:24", "text": "growing up that kind of made us keep"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "this bond. Um but uh one of my buddies"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "uh was there. We we were drinking one"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "night and I'd gone to this fullfledged"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "deal where I'm just talking in demon"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "voices. I was losing friends. Uh I I was"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "just it was just evil, man. I I would"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "like I had a Volkswagen, oddly enough,"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "for my first vehicle. They do have good"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "headroom. You don't seem like the"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "Volkswagen Beetle? Yeah. Yeah. You don't"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "seem like the Beetle. Did you have the"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "little flower in the back? No, they"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "didn't do that then. This is a 1971, I"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "think. So, yeah. But, uh, it's solid"}, {"end": "00:14:06", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "white with with chrome rims. Yeah. You"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "know, doesn't matter what the body looks"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:06", "text": "like as long as you got good tires on"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "it. Um, but, uh, the the place that"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "worked on the car was a Christian"}, {"end": "00:14:18", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "workshop and and I would set the tape,"}, {"end": "00:14:20", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "say the band's Grim Reaper, and then"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:18", "text": "somewhere in there in that '8s satanic,"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:20", "text": "you know, pentagram stuff, there'll be"}, {"end": "00:14:27", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "some demonic speak. And I would set the"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "cassette to where when they crank the"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:27", "text": "car, it would just be blaring because"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "you could do that back then. and it"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "would be blaring that stuff. It's just"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "evil. It's just I mean I was just being"}, {"end": "00:14:41", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "I was not cool and I was shooting"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "everything in my backyard. I wasn't I it"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:41", "text": "it wasn't good. And uh one night I'd"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "started doing these like skits if you"}, {"end": "00:14:51", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "want to call them that. But I would like"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "I was acting out a scene that I'd seen"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:51", "text": "in the movie where it's a demonic"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "possession and you were with people or"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "you Yeah, we we'd had a party and we"}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "were at somebody's house. I don't"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "remember the name. I can see the guy. I"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "can't remember his name. I didn't drive"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "there that night. So, just alcohol, no"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "psychedelics, nothing to hallucinate or"}, {"end": "00:15:14", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "nothing like that. And uh and I was"}, {"end": "00:15:15", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "doing uh the thing I was we were in the"}, {"end": "00:15:17", "start": "00:15:14", "text": "same room. It was my buddy and his"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:15", "text": "girlfriend and I was on a couch. Um"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:17", "text": "nothing nefarious happened. Everybody,"}, {"end": "00:15:21", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "at least I didn't think it was, you"}, {"end": "00:15:24", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "know, everybody's passing out. But I'm"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:21", "text": "doing this scene in my head where uh"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:24", "text": "that I'd seen in the movie and and you"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "talk like yourself and you're screaming"}, {"end": "00:15:31", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "no no no and then you laugh like the"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "demon and you talk like that and I was"}, {"end": "00:15:37", "start": "00:15:31", "text": "going back and forth doing this I don't"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "know play if you will and uh it ends"}, {"end": "00:15:41", "start": "00:15:37", "text": "with the demon winning and the demon"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "taking over your body and I was facing"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:41", "text": "the back of the couch and when I rolled"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "over laughing like the demon or the"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "satanic whatever possession when I"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "rolled over what I saw was all red like"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "a watery image and it was a demon"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "looking at me smiling with his crooked"}, {"end": "00:16:04", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "finger and nails and looking at me and"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "giving me the kamir and and I"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:04", "text": "screamed I laugh now cuz I'm 54. But I I"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "screamed probably the highest I've ever"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "screamed. And from just me reaching like"}, {"end": "00:16:16", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "sitting up on the couch and reaching for"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "the light switch, I was as white as a"}, {"end": "00:16:22", "start": "00:16:16", "text": "sheet. I was panting uh pouring sweat."}, {"end": "00:16:25", "start": "00:16:20", "text": "Of course, my buddy jumps up like, \"What"}, {"end": "00:16:27", "start": "00:16:22", "text": "the heck is going on?\" You know? And I"}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:25", "text": "looked at him and I said, \"Man, if I"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:27", "text": "ever do that again, if I ever use that"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "voice or even do this again, you got my"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "permission to take a baseball bat and"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "crack me over the skull with it or"}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "something to that effect.\" He got"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "completely calm, Glenn. It was like the"}, {"end": "00:16:44", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "spirit just entered the room. He just"}, {"end": "00:16:45", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "everything just went and he looked at me"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:44", "text": "and I don't even know if he remembers"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:45", "text": "saying it because I think it was the"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "spirit. He looked at me and he leaned in"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "as if he knew what I'd seen and he said,"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "\"I told you, didn't I?\" That was it. I"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "didn't sleep. I walked to church. I"}, {"end": "00:17:01", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "don't know how many miles it was. That"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "was a Saturday night. And I walked to"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:17:01", "text": "Edwards Road Baptist Church in"}, {"end": "00:17:06", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "Greenville, South Carolina. And I think"}, {"end": "00:17:08", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "I sat through every service. I would"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:06", "text": "have too. That was it. That was it for"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:08", "text": "the demonic stuff for me. What did he"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "mean by I told you?"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "I think early on he he had said like,"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "\"Man, you need to stop that crap. You"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "know, you're scared.\" He was not part of"}, {"end": "00:17:23", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "No. Oh, okay. He was just He was one of"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "the friends I was losing because I was"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:23", "text": "going into such a dark place. And then,"}, {"end": "00:17:32", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "you know, throughout my my life, have I"}, {"end": "00:17:36", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "seen uh demonic stuff? Yeah. Have I seen"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:32", "text": "Have I like Have I had to go to a a a"}, {"end": "00:17:43", "start": "00:17:36", "text": "satanic concert festival for three days?"}, {"end": "00:17:45", "start": "00:17:39", "text": "How do you do it? Uh, I'm very"}, {"end": "00:17:47", "start": "00:17:43", "text": "transparently it's because they had Jack"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:45", "text": "Daniels there. That's that's the only"}, {"end": "00:17:52", "start": "00:17:47", "text": "way I I said I said as an alcoholic I"}, {"end": "00:17:54", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "can appreciate it. You know, I'm like"}, {"end": "00:17:56", "start": "00:17:52", "text": "I'm like it's at a bar, right? And"}, {"end": "00:17:58", "start": "00:17:54", "text": "they're like, \"Yeah.\" And I go, \"Do they"}, {"end": "00:18:00", "start": "00:17:56", "text": "serve whiskey?\" And they go, \"Yeah.\" And"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:58", "text": "I go, \"I think I can do it.\" I cuz I"}, {"end": "00:18:05", "start": "00:18:00", "text": "don't know about walking into It's just"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "a b for me when you walk in. Uh, it's"}, {"end": "00:18:11", "start": "00:18:05", "text": "sad because it's a bunch of lost souls"}, {"end": "00:18:13", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "is what it is. How many of those lost"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:11", "text": "souls actually know what they're dealing"}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:13", "text": "with? Like you didn't know what you were"}, {"end": "00:18:20", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "dealing with until it happened. Yeah. I"}, {"end": "00:18:21", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "don't I I would venture to say a bunch"}, {"end": "00:18:23", "start": "00:18:20", "text": "cuz they're probably just on it for the"}, {"end": "00:18:25", "start": "00:18:21", "text": "kick or maybe they're saying they're"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:23", "text": "atheist and they're doing it just to be"}, {"end": "00:18:30", "start": "00:18:25", "text": "funny, you know, but you start"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "scratching at the surface. I'm telling"}, {"end": "00:18:35", "start": "00:18:30", "text": "you right now, uh, in my belief system,"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "there's definitely spiritual warfare and"}, {"end": "00:18:41", "start": "00:18:35", "text": "all kinds of stuff. It's the only way to"}, {"end": "00:18:45", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "describe I think what's happening cuz"}, {"end": "00:18:50", "start": "00:18:41", "text": "it's sweeping the entire world and it is"}, {"end": "00:18:53", "start": "00:18:45", "text": "it's either deep mental illness or it's"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:50", "text": "possession of some sort. There there"}, {"end": "00:18:59", "start": "00:18:53", "text": "is, you know, I I have friends who are"}, {"end": "00:19:01", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "atheist who have said to me, I I don't"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:59", "text": "know how to describe what I'm seeing"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:01", "text": "other than evil. And I know that's not"}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "an atheist word, and I know what it"}, {"end": "00:19:10", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "means, but I can't describe this any"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "other way. Yeah. And that's that's what"}, {"end": "00:19:14", "start": "00:19:10", "text": "I try to tell people that I put it in"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "the book. I'm sure it's been said"}, {"end": "00:19:16", "start": "00:19:14", "text": "before, but the best way for me to"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "explain it, a lot of these interviews,"}, {"end": "00:19:21", "start": "00:19:16", "text": "I've been blessed uh on this book launch"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "tour and stuff and uh and even the"}, {"end": "00:19:26", "start": "00:19:21", "text": "Rolling Stone magazine article back in"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "2022. But I just say, look, you just"}, {"end": "00:19:30", "start": "00:19:26", "text": "need to understand that there are evil"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "people on this planet that want to do"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:30", "text": "evil things to good people. And it's"}, {"end": "00:19:35", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "been that way pretty much since the"}, {"end": "00:19:36", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "beginning of time. If you can't deal"}, {"end": "00:19:39", "start": "00:19:35", "text": "with that, that's cool. But if we tell"}, {"end": "00:19:40", "start": "00:19:36", "text": "you lock the door, lock the door. you"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:39", "text": "know,"}, {"end": "00:19:45", "start": "00:19:40", "text": "don't like I I think like a bad person."}, {"end": "00:19:48", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "Not that it doesn't make me bad. It's"}, {"end": "00:19:50", "start": "00:19:45", "text": "just I think like a bad person. I'm like"}, {"end": "00:19:53", "start": "00:19:48", "text": "I was I was dating my wife before we"}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:50", "text": "were married and we're out in the in in"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "a great part of Nebraska and I was a"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "narcotics officer at that point at the"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "sheriff's office and you go to go to bed"}, {"end": "00:20:04", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "at night and they don't even not only do"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "they not lock the door, they don't even"}, {"end": "00:20:08", "start": "00:20:04", "text": "shut the door. It's just a screen door."}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "M and I'm like, \"Am I going to lock the"}, {"end": "00:20:11", "start": "00:20:08", "text": "door?\" I've been there. And they're"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "like, \"Oh, you don't have to worry about"}, {"end": "00:20:14", "start": "00:20:11", "text": "that around here.\" I go, \"Well, if I was"}, {"end": "00:20:16", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "a bad guy, this is where I'd come.\""}, {"end": "00:20:18", "start": "00:20:14", "text": "That's the first thing I say. I go,"}, {"end": "00:20:20", "start": "00:20:16", "text": "\"This is this is where you see that"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:18", "text": "murder show where some serial killer"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:20", "text": "comes to town and three families are"}, {"end": "00:20:25", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "murdered and they don't find out for"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "like two weeks.\" I'm like, \"Man, lock"}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:25", "text": "the door.\" It's crime of There's also"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "crimes of opportunity like like you walk"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "by a car with the window down and it's"}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "got a back when they were CDs. Uh let's"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "just say it's a CD or a DVD sitting on"}, {"end": "00:20:39", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "the seat and you're like, man, I've been"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "wanting to see that movie. You're not"}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:39", "text": "I've never thought about thieving, but"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "this person's dumb enough to leave their"}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "window down and leave it sitting right"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "here. I'm going to teach him a lesson."}, {"end": "00:20:49", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "I'm going to take this thing. That's a"}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "crime my opportunity. So, a lot of these"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:49", "text": "things as I've been talking about since"}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "kind of going out, I just because I meet"}, {"end": "00:20:57", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "people that are way left of where I"}, {"end": "00:20:59", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "live. I meet people that are way right"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:57", "text": "of where I live. And I'm like, look, if"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:20:59", "text": "we just put it on the table, just let's"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "put everything on the table. First of"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "all, we need to be able to have a"}, {"end": "00:21:09", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "conversation. You can't keep cutting me"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "off. Let's have a conversation. But"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:09", "text": "let's look at it and say first question,"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "is this good or is this evil? Cuz most"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "of the time, you can break it down"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "pretty quick. In my opinion, you can you"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "can see this is not good. This is a bad"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "thing."}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "Do you wake up in the morning wondering"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "how pain is going to affect your day?"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "Michael from Connecticut used to, but he"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "doesn't anymore. Let me tell you his"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "relief factor story. Michael was dealing"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "with elbow pain which made everything in"}, {"end": "00:21:41", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "his hand and his arm really hurt. Uh"}, {"end": "00:21:44", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "nothing. He tried work. He started"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:41", "text": "taking Relief Factor. Now Michael tells"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:44", "text": "me his elbow pain has gone away. his"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "other aches and pains went away too. And"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "on top of that, he says, \"I feel like I"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "have more energy.\" This is the way I"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "felt with pain when I started taking"}, {"end": "00:21:58", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "Relief Factor. I didn't think it would"}, {"end": "00:22:01", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "work, but it did. It work. It's a"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:58", "text": "miraculous thing for me, at least. If"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:01", "text": "you're living with aches and pains, see"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "how Relief Factor, a daily drug-free"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "supplement, can help you feel better and"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "live better. Join the over 1 million"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "people who have turned to Relief Factor"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "just like Michael. Call now. Try their"}, {"end": "00:22:17", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "three-week quick start. $19.95 less than"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "a dollar a day. Don't let pain keep you"}, {"end": "00:22:23", "start": "00:22:17", "text": "from live uh living every day the life"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "you want to live. Relief factor.com or"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:23", "text": "call 18004 relief 1800 the number four"}, {"end": "00:22:31", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "relief."}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "So talk to me about what did you call"}, {"end": "00:22:37", "start": "00:22:31", "text": "acceleration accelerationalism."}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "Um let's start with the clan. Your"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:37", "text": "grandfather's clan. Yeah, the"}, {"end": "00:22:41", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "grandfather grandfather's clan. The"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "white hoods and robes, right? Uh I"}, {"end": "00:22:46", "start": "00:22:41", "text": "infiltrated them too. Um, I actually"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "played music. I played music for the"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:46", "text": "spring and fall rally for a clan"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "collection. Is it harder to do this to"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "be undercover now that the internet?"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "Yeah. Yeah, it's got to be. Yeah. I Wait"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "a minute. I just saw you and you you"}, {"end": "00:23:04", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "play in the band for your church. Yes."}, {"end": "00:23:07", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "Right. And they just didn't film you"}, {"end": "00:23:09", "start": "00:23:04", "text": "above the for a year and a half because"}, {"end": "00:23:11", "start": "00:23:07", "text": "the case for that for that year and a"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:09", "text": "half the case I was doing was the public"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:11", "text": "corruption case and it was close to"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "where I live. So that's why that was"}, {"end": "00:23:19", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "off. But they they they streamed these"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "things into prisons and stuff too, you"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:19", "text": "know. So um that was another walk in"}, {"end": "00:23:25", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "faith for me. I had to say, \"Look, am I"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "going to let my job interfere? I know"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:25", "text": "it's not good operational security. I"}, {"end": "00:23:31", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "know it's not the wisest thing to do,"}, {"end": "00:23:33", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "but I've let my job interfere with me"}, {"end": "00:23:35", "start": "00:23:31", "text": "worshiping up until this point. I would"}, {"end": "00:23:37", "start": "00:23:33", "text": "think you needed that. And I Yeah, I"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:35", "text": "needed it bad. Um that's why I've always"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:37", "text": "laughed cuz it's volunteer based. So"}, {"end": "00:23:44", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "sometimes I'm there multiple, especially"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "now that I'm semi-retired, but uh you"}, {"end": "00:23:48", "start": "00:23:44", "text": "know, even when I was working heavy, I"}, {"end": "00:23:49", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "you know, maybe my wife is maybe like,"}, {"end": "00:23:50", "start": "00:23:48", "text": "\"Man, you've been putting in a lot of"}, {"end": "00:23:52", "start": "00:23:49", "text": "time at church.\" I'm like, \"You can't"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:50", "text": "get too much Jesus.\" I said, \"I'll take"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:52", "text": "all I can get. I just I just need a D"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "minus. I want to get inside the gate."}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I just"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "need to pass. So, you have uh you're"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "you're with the old style clan, the"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "hoods, the robes, the Yep. Very"}, {"end": "00:24:10", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "historical. I mean, it was it was"}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "literally it was a lot of it was like a"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:10", "text": "history class. I mean, I had to learn a"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "lot. Um how do you mean that? I just I"}, {"end": "00:24:18", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "mean like that's when you go in and you"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "get naturalized as a clan member. You"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:18", "text": "mean what? It's Well, I had I went"}, {"end": "00:24:23", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "through it. I didn't know what was"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "happening. I'm like, what am I doing"}, {"end": "00:24:25", "start": "00:24:23", "text": "right now? I'm blindfolded. They're"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "telling us to say this stuff and then at"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:25", "text": "the end of it I go I think I just joined"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "the clan"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "and then and then as I was walking"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "across the field I was like we're"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "rehearsing every replaying everything in"}, {"end": "00:24:37", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "my head I'm like and I'm thinking about"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "the legal is I mean the rules and the"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:37", "text": "policies of the FBI and I'm going should"}, {"end": "00:24:43", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "I have done okay this happened this"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "happened this I yep I just joined the"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:43", "text": "clan that's amazing it's kind of like"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "you know it's kind of like as an al"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "again an alcoholic you ask yourself am I"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "an alcoholic and all alcoholics will say"}, {"end": "00:24:58", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "if you're asking asking that question,"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "the answer is most likely yes. You find"}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:58", "text": "yourself asking, \"Did I just join the"}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "clan?\" Most likely you did. Yeah. So I"}, {"end": "00:25:06", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "uh yeah, those were those were some"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "pretty comical times, but literally you"}, {"end": "00:25:12", "start": "00:25:06", "text": "had to go to clan craft class every week"}, {"end": "00:25:14", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "and and like Facebook craft class like"}, {"end": "00:25:16", "start": "00:25:12", "text": "Facebook Messenger and it would be like"}, {"end": "00:25:18", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "you all the newbies would be in the"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "group and like the leader of the group"}, {"end": "00:25:22", "start": "00:25:18", "text": "would be like they would throw cuz they"}, {"end": "00:25:25", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "they've got all these insignias and"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:22", "text": "uh acronyms and it's like you know it"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:25", "text": "like he he would type a y a k so you try"}, {"end": "00:25:32", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "to answer quick are you a clansman"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "because that's what it stands for it's"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:32", "text": "like good that's right you know um load"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "l t i e l ladies of the invisible empire"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "you had to know all these things like"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "when was the first cross"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "lighting I don't think I remember that"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "one I want to say like 1945 1915 no no"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "19 no first cross lighting yeah it was"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "in it was in Stone Mountain Georgia I"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "know that really yeah since I late"}, {"end": "00:25:58", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "because the clan was around right after"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "the civil war but there it was Stone"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:58", "text": "Mountain Georgia so it's somewhere in"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "there what is What is the cross"}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "lighting? That's when you see the cross"}, {"end": "00:26:06", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "on fire. I know. Is it But is that a"}, {"end": "00:26:08", "start": "00:26:05", "text": "gathering or is that just you just put"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:06", "text": "it in you can put it in somebody's yard?"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:08", "text": "Sometimes they put it in somebody's"}, {"end": "00:26:16", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "yard. But the the thing I got to see was"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "um or be a part of was"}, {"end": "00:26:21", "start": "00:26:16", "text": "uh and I remember the guy telling me cuz"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "so my sense of humor also carries me"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:21", "text": "through a lot of things, right? cuz I'm"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "out in the middle of a field in the"}, {"end": "00:26:26", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "middle of nowhere in the middle of"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "Alabama and this guy's like I'm like,"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:26", "text": "\"Hey, I see this like 20 30 foot metal"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "cross and you wrap it in burlap and then"}, {"end": "00:26:38", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "they take steel wiring and hold the"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "burlap on you soak it in diesel fuel and"}, {"end": "00:26:40", "start": "00:26:38", "text": "then you have to stand it up in the"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "hole.\" And that's when I learned that"}, {"end": "00:26:44", "start": "00:26:40", "text": "you call they call diesel fuel clan"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "cologne cuz there's no way for you to"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:44", "text": "stand that cross up and not get it on"}, {"end": "00:26:50", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "you. Um and then they go smoke"}, {"end": "00:26:52", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "cigarettes. I'm like I don't know. I'm"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:50", "text": "like, I I don't know how quick this"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:52", "text": "thing will spark, but not get away from"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "me. And you got like a $500 worth of"}, {"end": "00:27:03", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "fireworks in your trunk, too. I'm like,"}, {"end": "00:27:07", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "what are we doing? Uh, but I I I"}, {"end": "00:27:09", "start": "00:27:03", "text": "remember uh um I I you get naturalized,"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:07", "text": "you take those classes, and then you"}, {"end": "00:27:14", "start": "00:27:09", "text": "have to take a test. You take a K uno"}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "test to pass it, duo, trio, and then"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:14", "text": "quad. And uh the case kind of fell apart"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "before I ever did anything. But um the I"}, {"end": "00:27:22", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "remember asking them I was like hey are"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "we going to have a cross burn in the"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:22", "text": "night and the chaplain which was the"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "clud uh was like um the clud that's"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "whatever their chaplain is in the book"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "we break it down but there like I said"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "there's a lot of history I'm sure some"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "of it is very skewed but you see Abraham"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "Lincoln said I mean it's all this stuff"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "and it's the history of the clan and the"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "secret uh the invisible empire um but he"}, {"end": "00:27:49", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "said now Scott it's not a cross burning"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "And that'd be sacrilegious. It's across"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:49", "text": "the lighting. And I"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "went I'm like, but I'm standing there"}, {"end": "00:27:56", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "like like I don't know like I'm and I"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "don't but I'm I'm I'm like all enthused."}, {"end": "00:28:00", "start": "00:27:56", "text": "I'm like, \"Oh, okay. All right. All"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "right.\" And he goes he goes,"}, {"end": "00:28:04", "start": "00:28:00", "text": "\"See, a burning would be sacrilegious,"}, {"end": "00:28:06", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "but the lighting it signifies the light"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:04", "text": "of Jesus Christ coming down in the world"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:06", "text": "and driving the darkness out.\" And I'm"}, {"end": "00:28:15", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "going, in my mind, I'm laughing to"}, {"end": "00:28:17", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "myself cuz I'm thinking, you're a nut."}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "But I'm thinking, \"Yeah, I met so many"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:17", "text": "white guys named Jesus.\" You know,"}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "that's that's the first thing I think."}, {"end": "00:28:24", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "I'm like, \"All right.\" I mean, whatever"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:22", "text": "you got to tell yourself, right? And by"}, {"end": "00:28:28", "start": "00:28:24", "text": "driving the darkness out, I'm assuming"}, {"end": "00:28:30", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "we're meaning non-whites, right? Um it"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:28", "text": "just gets it gets kind of convoluted."}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:30", "text": "So, you can go"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "there there was the there's a long-term"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "belief system in white supremacy that's"}, {"end": "00:28:39", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "called Christian identity. Not to be"}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "confused with Christ followers of"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:39", "text": "Christianity. They take the story of the"}, {"end": "00:28:46", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "garden of Eden and they twist the you"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "know what out of it. They say that"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:46", "text": "um same kind of story Adam and Eve"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "serpent fruit of the forbidden tree"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "sin but they twist it to this and it's a"}, {"end": "00:29:03", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "dual it's called the dual dual seed"}, {"end": "00:29:06", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "theory um and then a dual seed line I"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:03", "text": "think um but this is the way it goes."}, {"end": "00:29:14", "start": "00:29:06", "text": "They say that the actual forbidden act"}, {"end": "00:29:17", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "was Eve having sex with the serpent, aka"}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:14", "text": "Satan, aka a man of color. You got to"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:17", "text": "follow me because it doesn't make any"}, {"end": "00:29:22", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "sense. I I Yeah, it doesn't make any"}, {"end": "00:29:24", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "sense. I've read the Bible. I've not"}, {"end": "00:29:26", "start": "00:29:22", "text": "seen that in any Bible, but Okay."}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:24", "text": "Apparently, they read it differently."}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:26", "text": "Right. So they say that that that Eve,"}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "the fruit of the forbidden tree, was a"}, {"end": "00:29:37", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "sexual act with the serpent, Satan, a"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "man of color. And from that intercourse,"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:37", "text": "Cain was born. And that is what they"}, {"end": "00:29:43", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "call the mud race all the way down,"}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "which is non-white. And then they say,"}, {"end": "00:29:47", "start": "00:29:43", "text": "but the procreation between Adam and Eve"}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:45", "text": "is Abel. And that's the pure white race."}, {"end": "00:29:52", "start": "00:29:47", "text": "That's why it's a dual seed line. And"}, {"end": "00:29:54", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "it's that I mean, but you can take"}, {"end": "00:29:56", "start": "00:29:52", "text": "paganism. I've got friends that are"}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:54", "text": "devout pagans that are some of the most"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:56", "text": "peaceful, loving people I've ever met."}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "It's not my belief system, right? Um but"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "uh I respect them. And now you see a lot"}, {"end": "00:30:08", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "of that coming into the white supremacy"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "and extremism realm they're using cuz"}, {"end": "00:30:13", "start": "00:30:08", "text": "Hitler did you know that neo-Nazi I mean"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "you see the Norse mythology and stuff"}, {"end": "00:30:19", "start": "00:30:13", "text": "like that. And uh and I mean it's I mean"}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "if you think about it from a young man"}, {"end": "00:30:24", "start": "00:30:19", "text": "what's cool standpoint Viking. I mean, I"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "got Vikings all over my arm. That's"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:24", "text": "cool, right? Yeah. Um, for them anyway."}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "But they would take Christian identity"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "and twist it and that was the Reverend"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "Butler, Red Ray Fair, and the Aryan"}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "Nations up in Idaho. That was all that"}, {"end": "00:30:39", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "stuff. And then it's trickled on down."}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "Then you get Hang on just a sec. Just a"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:39", "text": "personal note. I live part of the year"}, {"end": "00:30:46", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "in southern Idaho. Is there still really"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "bad up in northern Idaho? No, I've got"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:46", "text": "No, I've got friends in northern Idaho"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "now. Um, I know, but your friends are"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "sketchy. we've already established. No,"}, {"end": "00:30:56", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "this is this this guy's not sketchy."}, {"end": "00:30:58", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "Former SWAT team leader, former FBI"}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:56", "text": "agent, not sketchy. All right. And he"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:58", "text": "says, he goes, \"Yeah, we get a bad rap"}, {"end": "00:31:03", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "up here because of that compound stuff"}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "way back when, but they got I mean, the"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:03", "text": "government seized all that.\" Um, and"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "they went down and and they're dead now."}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "But, so that's Christian identity. So"}, {"end": "00:31:15", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "you see that and then through neo-Nazi,"}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "you know, you you might see like there"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:15", "text": "was a there was a phase there where"}, {"end": "00:31:24", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "uh you have like 80s, 90s, maybe early"}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "2000s, you've got your skin heads and"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:24", "text": "all this stuff and that stuff's still"}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "around, but then you saw a shift to like"}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "the cleancut white guy who was a"}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "neo-Nazi"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "um like Richard Spencer and these other"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "ones that would go out there and speak"}, {"end": "00:31:42", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "and and their idea was the entry belief"}, {"end": "00:31:44", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "is to infiltrate the the the government"}, {"end": "00:31:45", "start": "00:31:42", "text": "left and right. If you infiltrate the"}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:44", "text": "left, bring it down from within. If you"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:45", "text": "infiltrate the right, twist things more"}, {"end": "00:31:50", "start": "00:31:47", "text": "towards white supremacy, which I don't"}, {"end": "00:31:52", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "understand. There's not a lot of"}, {"end": "00:31:54", "start": "00:31:50", "text": "afterthought for a lot of these belief"}, {"end": "00:31:56", "start": "00:31:52", "text": "systems. I'm like, okay. So, you take"}, {"end": "00:31:58", "start": "00:31:54", "text": "over as let's just say you're a mayor"}, {"end": "00:32:00", "start": "00:31:56", "text": "and you open a restaurant that's whites"}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:58", "text": "only. You don't think people are going"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:32:00", "text": "to notice that? I don't I don't"}, {"end": "00:32:06", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "understand where this whole ethnostate"}, {"end": "00:32:08", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "ends, right? Is the ethnost state we"}, {"end": "00:32:10", "start": "00:32:06", "text": "hang out at this one restaurant? I don't"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:08", "text": "I don't know what you mean. Um, but"}, {"end": "00:32:14", "start": "00:32:10", "text": "again going back to your extremism"}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:11", "text": "beliefs, some u radical jihad that's"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:14", "text": "like, hey, they're going to get a"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "caliphate. Everybody kind of wants their"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "own peace. Um, so then you get to what"}, {"end": "00:32:25", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "you ask about"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:22", "text": "accelerationism. In the 80s, there was a"}, {"end": "00:32:29", "start": "00:32:25", "text": "group that was there that kind of had"}, {"end": "00:32:31", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "the belief system, but it wasn't called"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:29", "text": "accelerationism. And we started seeing"}, {"end": "00:32:35", "start": "00:32:31", "text": "this stuff coming up and and I ended up"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "going and being the undercover on one of"}, {"end": "00:32:40", "start": "00:32:35", "text": "the cases against a group called the"}, {"end": "00:32:42", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "base. And I learned going in and"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:40", "text": "infiltrating, this is where I learned"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:42", "text": "the belief system. And the belief system"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "is this. They call it siege culture"}, {"end": "00:32:49", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "because there's a book out there called"}, {"end": "00:32:51", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "Siege that was written by James Mason,"}, {"end": "00:32:54", "start": "00:32:49", "text": "longtime white supremacist. Created the"}, {"end": "00:32:56", "start": "00:32:51", "text": "Adam Waffen uh white supremacy group,"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:54", "text": "but he's got a book. It's a lot of"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:56", "text": "interviews, idolizes uh Charles Manson,"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "things like that. I mean, what a great"}, {"end": "00:33:05", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "role model, right? If you're going to"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "pick somebody, you know, I'm saying that"}, {"end": "00:33:11", "start": "00:33:05", "text": "sarcastically. Uh that would be sarcasm."}, {"end": "00:33:13", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "Yeah. But"}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:11", "text": "um that kind of lays out this"}, {"end": "00:33:17", "start": "00:33:13", "text": "accelerationism view and that and the"}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:15", "text": "view is this. They don't believe that"}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:17", "text": "there's a political solution that can"}, {"end": "00:33:22", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "save the white race. They believe this"}, {"end": "00:33:24", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "society is going to collapse either on"}, {"end": "00:33:27", "start": "00:33:22", "text": "its own or from man-made events and they"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:24", "text": "want to accelerate it. So they don't"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:27", "text": "like you're not going to see you see the"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "division in the country back and forth."}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "Hate begets hate. I don't care whether"}, {"end": "00:33:37", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "you left or right. You do one thing"}, {"end": "00:33:40", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "hateful to this side, they do something"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:37", "text": "hateful back to you. It it hate begets"}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:40", "text": "hate."}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "But when they see they don't like any"}, {"end": "00:33:49", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "government, right? They they don't"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "they're not Republican De. They don't"}, {"end": "00:33:52", "start": "00:33:49", "text": "they don't like any government. And"}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "you're not going to see an"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:52", "text": "accelerationist out on the corner with"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "picket signs marching up and down the"}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "street like a Charlottesville type thing"}, {"end": "00:34:05", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "or some protest maybe like a KKK thing."}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "They're going to be hiding because they"}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:05", "text": "want to do things like guerrilla warfare"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "tactics. They want to poison a water"}, {"end": "00:34:15", "start": "00:34:09", "text": "system, start killing lefty journalist"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "or or or anti-fascist. I mean, some of"}, {"end": "00:34:17", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "these I mean, it's in the book. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:34:20", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "it's in the actual it's in the court"}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:17", "text": "records if people don't believe it. Um,"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:20", "text": "I mean, I've had to sit there with these"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:22", "text": "guys talking about, like I say, guys. I"}, {"end": "00:34:30", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "mean 20somes, you know, maybe a 30-some,"}, {"end": "00:34:33", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "but uh talking about when D-Day happens,"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:30", "text": "which they refer to as the Bugaloo, that"}, {"end": "00:34:37", "start": "00:34:33", "text": "if their"}, {"end": "00:34:39", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "father did not agree to be fascist, if"}, {"end": "00:34:42", "start": "00:34:37", "text": "you didn't follow fascists, that"}, {"end": "00:34:45", "start": "00:34:39", "text": "automatically made you anti-fas and once"}, {"end": "00:34:46", "start": "00:34:42", "text": "the bugaloo hits, penalty is death. And"}, {"end": "00:34:48", "start": "00:34:45", "text": "they're sitting there telling me"}, {"end": "00:34:50", "start": "00:34:46", "text": "sometimes crying saying, \"I'm going to"}, {"end": "00:34:51", "start": "00:34:48", "text": "have to I may have to very well I'm very"}, {"end": "00:34:53", "start": "00:34:50", "text": "well may have to put a bullet in the"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "back of my father's head, but I'll do it"}, {"end": "00:34:58", "start": "00:34:53", "text": "if he doesn't come to fascism.\" Now, are"}, {"end": "00:35:01", "start": "00:34:56", "text": "they willing to follow through with it?"}, {"end": "00:35:03", "start": "00:34:58", "text": "I don't have a crystal ball. Are you"}, {"end": "00:35:05", "start": "00:35:01", "text": "doing overt acts in furtherance of doing"}, {"end": "00:35:07", "start": "00:35:03", "text": "it? Well, that's how we built the case."}, {"end": "00:35:10", "start": "00:35:05", "text": "Uh they were it wasn't against the"}, {"end": "00:35:14", "start": "00:35:07", "text": "parents, but it was against um who they"}, {"end": "00:35:16", "start": "00:35:10", "text": "believed were uh an Antifa couple and"}, {"end": "00:35:18", "start": "00:35:14", "text": "they wanted to murder everybody in the"}, {"end": "00:35:20", "start": "00:35:16", "text": "house as our first hit. Murder everybody"}, {"end": "00:35:23", "start": "00:35:18", "text": "in the house. Burn the whole house."}, {"end": "00:35:25", "start": "00:35:20", "text": "Murder everything in the house living."}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:23", "text": "Um one guy even said, \"Man, I don't have"}, {"end": "00:35:28", "start": "00:35:25", "text": "cuz somebody says, \"Hey, do we know if"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "they got any kids?\" He said, \"I don't"}, {"end": "00:35:34", "start": "00:35:28", "text": "have a problem killing the commie kid.\""}, {"end": "00:35:35", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "Like, okay, what about pets? No. So, are"}, {"end": "00:35:39", "start": "00:35:34", "text": "you just talking or are you going to do"}, {"end": "00:35:41", "start": "00:35:35", "text": "it? Well, you buy catch bags to put on"}, {"end": "00:35:43", "start": "00:35:39", "text": "your ARs. So, if you do have to shoot"}, {"end": "00:35:45", "start": "00:35:41", "text": "it, even though it's going to be super"}, {"end": "00:35:47", "start": "00:35:43", "text": "loud, it'll catch the brass so you don't"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:45", "text": "leave anything for law enforcement."}, {"end": "00:35:52", "start": "00:35:47", "text": "You've got a pistol with a silencer on"}, {"end": "00:35:53", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "it. Um, they've talked about all kinds"}, {"end": "00:35:56", "start": "00:35:52", "text": "of things to prepare for this night of"}, {"end": "00:35:58", "start": "00:35:53", "text": "murder. Uh, leave all your electronics"}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:35:56", "text": "in one spot. Go to a payby by the hour"}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:35:58", "text": "motel. Scrub yourself of all dead skin."}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "Uh, put Vaseline on your facial hair."}, {"end": "00:36:09", "start": "00:36:05", "text": "We're going to wear balaclavas. Cover"}, {"end": "00:36:11", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "our whole body. Tape the tape your um"}, {"end": "00:36:12", "start": "00:36:09", "text": "sleeve to your gloves so nothing comes"}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:11", "text": "out. Same thing as your boots and your"}, {"end": "00:36:17", "start": "00:36:12", "text": "ankle. One the the guy leading the whole"}, {"end": "00:36:21", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "thing even came up. He did research and"}, {"end": "00:36:22", "start": "00:36:17", "text": "said that he saw read that um sometimes"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:21", "text": "when people murder somebody for the"}, {"end": "00:36:25", "start": "00:36:22", "text": "first time, they lose control of their"}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "Bible. So, he was suggesting we all wear"}, {"end": "00:36:29", "start": "00:36:25", "text": "the pins."}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:29", "text": "So, and then you still have a parent who"}, {"end": "00:36:37", "start": "00:36:32", "text": "says, \"You made my boy do that.\" And"}, {"end": "00:36:38", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "they were just going through a phase."}, {"end": "00:36:41", "start": "00:36:37", "text": "They were just talking stupid. I'm like,"}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:38", "text": "\"Hey, I was just as shocked when your"}, {"end": "00:36:44", "start": "00:36:41", "text": "son told me that we were going to kill"}, {"end": "00:36:46", "start": "00:36:42", "text": "people as anybody else. I thought we"}, {"end": "00:36:47", "start": "00:36:44", "text": "were going to put up flyers and"}, {"end": "00:36:49", "start": "00:36:46", "text": "posters.\""}, {"end": "00:36:53", "start": "00:36:47", "text": "So um I want to come back to what you"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:49", "text": "just said about you know the uh"}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:53", "text": "acceleration but let me go to"}, {"end": "00:37:02", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "there. I used to trust the FBI. I always"}, {"end": "00:37:04", "start": "00:37:00", "text": "trusted the FBI. FBI was a friend. I"}, {"end": "00:37:07", "start": "00:37:02", "text": "trust cops. You know I trusted the"}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:04", "text": "government. I trusted our I trusted our"}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:07", "text": "secret service. I trusted our CIA. I"}, {"end": "00:37:15", "start": "00:37:09", "text": "trusted everybody cuz you know like"}, {"end": "00:37:17", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "after 9/11 we all stood. We all wept. We"}, {"end": "00:37:19", "start": "00:37:15", "text": "all looked and said, \"My gosh, I love my"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:17", "text": "country.\" And then something happened to"}, {"end": "00:37:22", "start": "00:37:19", "text": "us in the last 25 years. And I'm like,"}, {"end": "00:37:26", "start": "00:37:21", "text": "\"Wait, wait,"}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:22", "text": "wait, what? Wait, we don't all love our"}, {"end": "00:37:31", "start": "00:37:26", "text": "country. We don't all hold these truths"}, {"end": "00:37:34", "start": "00:37:28", "text": "to be self-evident anymore.\" And I don't"}, {"end": "00:37:37", "start": "00:37:31", "text": "know what to believe. I really don't. I"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:34", "text": "I mean, my son"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:37", "text": "uh my son was being groomed by somebody"}, {"end": "00:37:44", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "he was playing a game with online. Okay."}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "And we would a lot by the way. Yeah, I"}, {"end": "00:37:51", "start": "00:37:44", "text": "know. We would have lost him if the guy"}, {"end": "00:37:53", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "didn't call once in at 2:00 in the"}, {"end": "00:37:55", "start": "00:37:51", "text": "morning and then hang up the phone and"}, {"end": "00:37:59", "start": "00:37:53", "text": "we had multiple lines and I could see"}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:37:55", "text": "that the a line went back on and I'm"}, {"end": "00:38:05", "start": "00:37:59", "text": "like one of my children or somebody is"}, {"end": "00:38:07", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "in the house that's using our phone. I"}, {"end": "00:38:08", "start": "00:38:05", "text": "went up and he was talking to a guy and"}, {"end": "00:38:10", "start": "00:38:07", "text": "he was talking to this guy and they were"}, {"end": "00:38:12", "start": "00:38:08", "text": "just talking about games, dad, and he"}, {"end": "00:38:15", "start": "00:38:10", "text": "wanted to meet and I was"}, {"end": "00:38:17", "start": "00:38:12", "text": "like, we called the FBI. The FBI came"}, {"end": "00:38:19", "start": "00:38:15", "text": "in, they took the gaming thing and said,"}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:17", "text": "\"We can we we'll handle this.\" And they"}, {"end": "00:38:23", "start": "00:38:19", "text": "did and it was fantastic. Pretended to"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "be your son and Yeah. Yeah. And it was"}, {"end": "00:38:29", "start": "00:38:23", "text": "fantastic."}, {"end": "00:38:32", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "Um, but now you look and"}, {"end": "00:38:34", "start": "00:38:29", "text": "go is the FB and I'm I'm asking you this"}, {"end": "00:38:39", "start": "00:38:32", "text": "question."}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:34", "text": "Is the FBI good? Is the FBI bad? Is this"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:39", "text": "like the Whitmer"}, {"end": "00:38:46", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "case? It What? I was on the outskirts of"}, {"end": "00:38:49", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "that case. Were you? So, tell me what"}, {"end": "00:38:51", "start": "00:38:46", "text": "happened. I don't know. I I really don't"}, {"end": "00:38:53", "start": "00:38:49", "text": "cuz I I was on the outskirts. I was"}, {"end": "00:38:56", "start": "00:38:51", "text": "another undercover that they were using"}, {"end": "00:38:58", "start": "00:38:53", "text": "to possibly bump"}, {"end": "00:38:59", "start": "00:38:56", "text": "uh the guy that was making the bomb. I"}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:58", "text": "can't remember his name right now, but"}, {"end": "00:39:04", "start": "00:38:59", "text": "he doesn't need any publicity anyway."}, {"end": "00:39:06", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "What do you mean bump? uh like I was I"}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:04", "text": "was going to be introduced to him cuz"}, {"end": "00:39:10", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "you you what you saw was the main"}, {"end": "00:39:12", "start": "00:39:08", "text": "undercover going on, right? And I don't"}, {"end": "00:39:15", "start": "00:39:10", "text": "know I really don't have any idea. I"}, {"end": "00:39:18", "start": "00:39:12", "text": "know the two guys that that that did it."}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:15", "text": "Um and I I don't know what happened up"}, {"end": "00:39:23", "start": "00:39:18", "text": "there at that first trial because I from"}, {"end": "00:39:26", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "what I understood they had great overt"}, {"end": "00:39:28", "start": "00:39:23", "text": "acts. Um I do remember the guy's name. I"}, {"end": "00:39:31", "start": "00:39:26", "text": "won't say it. Yeah, I won't say it. Um,"}, {"end": "00:39:33", "start": "00:39:28", "text": "but this guy like they like the"}, {"end": "00:39:35", "start": "00:39:31", "text": "Baltimore office, I'd worked with them"}, {"end": "00:39:37", "start": "00:39:33", "text": "on the base case and they called me and"}, {"end": "00:39:40", "start": "00:39:35", "text": "said, \"Hey, just in case it doesn't work"}, {"end": "00:39:42", "start": "00:39:37", "text": "on this avenue, you maybe try to talk to"}, {"end": "00:39:43", "start": "00:39:40", "text": "this guy cuz he likes to meet new"}, {"end": "00:39:45", "start": "00:39:42", "text": "people.\" And he was the guy that that"}, {"end": "00:39:47", "start": "00:39:43", "text": "trying to get him again, you're spewing"}, {"end": "00:39:49", "start": "00:39:45", "text": "a bunch of crazy stuff. You're putting"}, {"end": "00:39:51", "start": "00:39:47", "text": "all these videos out there that falls"}, {"end": "00:39:52", "start": "00:39:49", "text": "within your first amendment right. But"}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:51", "text": "how do we know if you're really going to"}, {"end": "00:39:57", "start": "00:39:52", "text": "go forward with it or not? you know, and"}, {"end": "00:39:58", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "you get a lot of push back and and and"}, {"end": "00:40:00", "start": "00:39:57", "text": "people that don't like law enforcement"}, {"end": "00:40:01", "start": "00:39:58", "text": "or have had bad bad experiences with law"}, {"end": "00:40:03", "start": "00:40:00", "text": "enforcement. I've always had good"}, {"end": "00:40:05", "start": "00:40:01", "text": "experiences. I've had bad ones. I had"}, {"end": "00:40:07", "start": "00:40:03", "text": "bad ones before I became a cop. I had"}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:05", "text": "bad ones when I was a cop. I mean, look"}, {"end": "00:40:13", "start": "00:40:07", "text": "at you. Well, I know, right? Yeah. I"}, {"end": "00:40:15", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "know. I'm not talking looking like this."}, {"end": "00:40:17", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "Yeah. There's a line of a former buddy I"}, {"end": "00:40:18", "start": "00:40:15", "text": "had. I still love him to death, but he"}, {"end": "00:40:20", "start": "00:40:17", "text": "says, \"Sometimes you forget what a piece"}, {"end": "00:40:22", "start": "00:40:18", "text": "of trash you look"}, {"end": "00:40:24", "start": "00:40:20", "text": "like.\" Depends on where we're standing."}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:22", "text": "We're at the biker bar. We're normal."}, {"end": "00:40:30", "start": "00:40:24", "text": "But um yeah, the the if the thing is"}, {"end": "00:40:32", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "this, if you're not doing anything"}, {"end": "00:40:33", "start": "00:40:30", "text": "illegal, what are you worried about?"}, {"end": "00:40:35", "start": "00:40:32", "text": "I've done I've done many cases where"}, {"end": "00:40:37", "start": "00:40:33", "text": "I've gone in even even if I was running"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:35", "text": "it as an agent or I was the undercover"}, {"end": "00:40:44", "start": "00:40:37", "text": "and I'm in for 5 months. thousands and"}, {"end": "00:40:46", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "thousands of the most hateful vile"}, {"end": "00:40:48", "start": "00:40:44", "text": "anti-Jewish,"}, {"end": "00:40:49", "start": "00:40:46", "text": "anti-affffrican-amean, white"}, {"end": "00:40:51", "start": "00:40:48", "text": "supremacist, but it's covered under the"}, {"end": "00:40:53", "start": "00:40:49", "text": "First Amendment and nobody's planning on"}, {"end": "00:40:56", "start": "00:40:51", "text": "doing anything. They're just waiting for"}, {"end": "00:40:58", "start": "00:40:53", "text": "the day. So, there's nothing to charge."}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:40:56", "text": "So, we I I got to pull chocks and back"}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:40:58", "text": "out. Now, you ask about is the FBI good?"}, {"end": "00:41:06", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "Yes, I believe so in my heart of hearts"}, {"end": "00:41:09", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "cuz I did work a lot. I was a workaholic"}, {"end": "00:41:11", "start": "00:41:06", "text": "and I know my peers and are there some"}, {"end": "00:41:12", "start": "00:41:09", "text": "bad things? Yeah. Like you see like you"}, {"end": "00:41:16", "start": "00:41:11", "text": "see something come out on the news on"}, {"end": "00:41:18", "start": "00:41:12", "text": "that Olympic that uh the the doctor or"}, {"end": "00:41:20", "start": "00:41:16", "text": "whatever molested all the girls"}, {"end": "00:41:22", "start": "00:41:18", "text": "apparently he came or or somebody came"}, {"end": "00:41:26", "start": "00:41:20", "text": "and brought that to the FBI and whoever"}, {"end": "00:41:28", "start": "00:41:22", "text": "got it unfortunately it was subjective"}, {"end": "00:41:29", "start": "00:41:26", "text": "not objective and you got that person"}, {"end": "00:41:31", "start": "00:41:28", "text": "that day and they said oh there's"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:29", "text": "nothing here. I would have absolutely"}, {"end": "00:41:33", "start": "00:41:31", "text": "even though that wasn't even the"}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "violations I worked I would have walked"}, {"end": "00:41:37", "start": "00:41:33", "text": "that baby. we'd have figured out"}, {"end": "00:41:38", "start": "00:41:34", "text": "something cuz you know it's not right."}, {"end": "00:41:40", "start": "00:41:37", "text": "We just got to figure out what charge to"}, {"end": "00:41:44", "start": "00:41:38", "text": "go with and if it's not at a federal"}, {"end": "00:41:46", "start": "00:41:40", "text": "level, well, let's go state. Um, but"}, {"end": "00:41:50", "start": "00:41:44", "text": "it's like for me it's a lot like"}, {"end": "00:41:51", "start": "00:41:46", "text": "anything else in life. One person or a"}, {"end": "00:41:55", "start": "00:41:50", "text": "group of bad actors like the George"}, {"end": "00:41:57", "start": "00:41:51", "text": "Floyd thing. Uh, atrocious. I mean, I'm"}, {"end": "00:41:59", "start": "00:41:55", "text": "a defensive tactics instructor. I was a"}, {"end": "00:42:02", "start": "00:41:57", "text": "I was the lead tactical instructor, a"}, {"end": "00:42:04", "start": "00:41:59", "text": "firearms active shooter, SWAT operator."}, {"end": "00:42:06", "start": "00:42:02", "text": "I'm like, \"What is your goal? Is your"}, {"end": "00:42:08", "start": "00:42:04", "text": "goal to get that guy handcuffed and in"}, {"end": "00:42:11", "start": "00:42:06", "text": "the car? Then why are we doing what?"}, {"end": "00:42:13", "start": "00:42:08", "text": "What is, you know, and I and it's tough"}, {"end": "00:42:15", "start": "00:42:11", "text": "cuz a lot of us don't want a Monday"}, {"end": "00:42:19", "start": "00:42:13", "text": "morning quarterback, but we can't make"}, {"end": "00:42:21", "start": "00:42:15", "text": "those mistakes again, you know. Um, and"}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:19", "text": "you see that and now all cops are bad.\""}, {"end": "00:42:26", "start": "00:42:21", "text": "And I'm like, \"No, no, they're not.\" I"}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:24", "text": "mean, does New Orleans have a history of"}, {"end": "00:42:30", "start": "00:42:26", "text": "Kovka? Yeah. You know, does the border"}, {"end": "00:42:33", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "Yeah. Does the border Yeah. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:42:36", "start": "00:42:30", "text": "you're making when I was down, let's"}, {"end": "00:42:38", "start": "00:42:33", "text": "just say you're making 25 grand a year"}, {"end": "00:42:40", "start": "00:42:36", "text": "and then somebody says, a cartel member"}, {"end": "00:42:41", "start": "00:42:38", "text": "says, \"I'll give you 10 to 15 grand if"}, {"end": "00:42:43", "start": "00:42:40", "text": "you just turn your head for two three"}, {"end": "00:42:46", "start": "00:42:41", "text": "minutes. Let this car go through.\""}, {"end": "00:42:48", "start": "00:42:43", "text": "That's that's over half your"}, {"end": "00:42:50", "start": "00:42:46", "text": "salary. You think there's a a chance for"}, {"end": "00:42:53", "start": "00:42:48", "text": "corruption?"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:50", "text": "Yeah. You know, so, uh, do I think the"}, {"end": "00:42:58", "start": "00:42:53", "text": "FBI is bad? No. Um, I've stayed very"}, {"end": "00:43:01", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "apolitical through the book and"}, {"end": "00:43:03", "start": "00:42:58", "text": "everything. Um, do I think that the FBI"}, {"end": "00:43:06", "start": "00:43:01", "text": "needed some changing? Yeah, I do"}, {"end": "00:43:08", "start": "00:43:03", "text": "personally. Absolutely. But and and like"}, {"end": "00:43:10", "start": "00:43:06", "text": "you said, 9/11, what's sad is"}, {"end": "00:43:12", "start": "00:43:08", "text": "unfortunately it usually takes some"}, {"end": "00:43:14", "start": "00:43:10", "text": "catastrophic event for everybody to come"}, {"end": "00:43:17", "start": "00:43:12", "text": "together and swing the pendulum back"}, {"end": "00:43:18", "start": "00:43:14", "text": "towards better things. And I hate that,"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:17", "text": "but it just seems like that's the way it"}, {"end": "00:43:26", "start": "00:43:18", "text": "works sometimes. It just seems as"}, {"end": "00:43:29", "start": "00:43:22", "text": "though there are more and more of these"}, {"end": "00:43:33", "start": "00:43:26", "text": "groups, Free Palestine, you know, Black"}, {"end": "00:43:35", "start": "00:43:29", "text": "Lives Matter, the Clan, um, you know,"}, {"end": "00:43:37", "start": "00:43:33", "text": "the"}, {"end": "00:43:39", "start": "00:43:35", "text": "neonazis, crazy people, just all of"}, {"end": "00:43:41", "start": "00:43:37", "text": "these people"}, {"end": "00:43:43", "start": "00:43:39", "text": "who, you know, do you know who Alexander"}, {"end": "00:43:44", "start": "00:43:41", "text": "Dugan is? Name sounds for me. You"}, {"end": "00:43:50", "start": "00:43:43", "text": "should, you should read, you'd love"}, {"end": "00:43:52", "start": "00:43:44", "text": "this. He is um uh he is a guy was"}, {"end": "00:43:53", "start": "00:43:50", "text": "Putin's brain is what they called him."}, {"end": "00:43:57", "start": "00:43:52", "text": "Okay. He was Yeah. You know him. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:44:00", "start": "00:43:53", "text": "So he I mean his symbol is the ancient"}, {"end": "00:44:05", "start": "00:43:57", "text": "symbol of anarchy. Okay. And he believes"}, {"end": "00:44:09", "start": "00:44:00", "text": "and so do the the twers in um in Iran."}, {"end": "00:44:11", "start": "00:44:05", "text": "They believe that they can hasten the"}, {"end": "00:44:14", "start": "00:44:09", "text": "return of the promised one. He believes"}, {"end": "00:44:17", "start": "00:44:11", "text": "that we can hasten the correction of the"}, {"end": "00:44:21", "start": "00:44:14", "text": "world if we push the world into chaos."}, {"end": "00:44:25", "start": "00:44:17", "text": "And so they will work with anyone anyone"}, {"end": "00:44:27", "start": "00:44:21", "text": "um to bring chaos to the world. If it's"}, {"end": "00:44:30", "start": "00:44:25", "text": "going to cause problems, oh, I'll work"}, {"end": "00:44:33", "start": "00:44:27", "text": "with you. Absolutely. Cuz they want to"}, {"end": "00:44:35", "start": "00:44:30", "text": "bring their messiah back. Yeah. They"}, {"end": "00:44:38", "start": "00:44:33", "text": "want they want the world to collapse."}, {"end": "00:44:41", "start": "00:44:35", "text": "Yep. So sounds like acceleration, right?"}, {"end": "00:44:42", "start": "00:44:38", "text": "because they they think that they're"}, {"end": "00:44:44", "start": "00:44:41", "text": "going to be the ones. I'll take care of"}, {"end": "00:44:46", "start": "00:44:42", "text": "I'll take care of that group after."}, {"end": "00:44:48", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "Let's get this done. You know what I"}, {"end": "00:44:50", "start": "00:44:46", "text": "mean? And there's so many of those. And"}, {"end": "00:44:52", "start": "00:44:48", "text": "when I'm I'm reading and I'm seeing"}, {"end": "00:44:54", "start": "00:44:50", "text": "accelerationists, that's what they are,"}, {"end": "00:44:57", "start": "00:44:52", "text": "isn't it? Mhm. Yeah. But theirs ends"}, {"end": "00:45:01", "start": "00:44:54", "text": "with an ethnostate just like Well, but"}, {"end": "00:45:03", "start": "00:44:57", "text": "everybody ends, you know, the the the"}, {"end": "00:45:06", "start": "00:45:01", "text": "12vers in Iran end with an Islamic"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:03", "text": "state. Yep. Uh, you know, Putin's guy"}, {"end": "00:45:10", "start": "00:45:06", "text": "ends with a Russian state. I mean, they"}, {"end": "00:45:11", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "all have that. I love how they all end"}, {"end": "00:45:15", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "with basically socialism and you get"}, {"end": "00:45:17", "start": "00:45:11", "text": "your stuff for free. Like, right. And I"}, {"end": "00:45:20", "start": "00:45:15", "text": "did ask him one time because my sense of"}, {"end": "00:45:24", "start": "00:45:17", "text": "humor again being somewhat dark."}, {"end": "00:45:26", "start": "00:45:20", "text": "Um, we were on a ruck and it's like five"}, {"end": "00:45:29", "start": "00:45:24", "text": "five of us, I don't know. And we stopped"}, {"end": "00:45:31", "start": "00:45:26", "text": "to rehydrate up on top of a mountain"}, {"end": "00:45:32", "start": "00:45:29", "text": "somewhere and and I was saying, \"Yeah.\""}, {"end": "00:45:35", "start": "00:45:31", "text": "So, we're neo-Nazis. Yeah. Okay."}, {"end": "00:45:37", "start": "00:45:32", "text": "Booaloo. Yeah, man. D-Day. Yeah, we're"}, {"end": "00:45:38", "start": "00:45:35", "text": "going to take over. Yeah. Ethnostate."}, {"end": "00:45:40", "start": "00:45:37", "text": "Cuz at the base was already looking at"}, {"end": "00:45:43", "start": "00:45:38", "text": "property in the Appalachian Mountains,"}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:40", "text": "was looking at prop the the North"}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:43", "text": "Central was looking at property in the"}, {"end": "00:45:50", "start": "00:45:44", "text": "upper peninsula of Michigan. Um Pacific"}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:47", "text": "Northwest had land to create your own"}, {"end": "00:45:53", "start": "00:45:50", "text": "ethnostates. Again, not a lot of"}, {"end": "00:45:56", "start": "00:45:51", "text": "forethought or afterthought. I'm like,"}, {"end": "00:45:58", "start": "00:45:53", "text": "so what do we do if the cops come? What"}, {"end": "00:46:00", "start": "00:45:56", "text": "do we do if the National Guard comes?"}, {"end": "00:46:02", "start": "00:45:58", "text": "What do we do if the Army, Navy, Air"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:46:00", "text": "Force, Marines, Coast Guard, and anybody"}, {"end": "00:46:06", "start": "00:46:02", "text": "else comes? And it it was just and then"}, {"end": "00:46:08", "start": "00:46:04", "text": "I even asked one time I'll go, \"So,"}, {"end": "00:46:10", "start": "00:46:06", "text": "who's going to be Hitler?\" And then it"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:08", "text": "just kind of like, you know, I'm like,"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:10", "text": "\"Well, there going to be one. Who's"}, {"end": "00:46:14", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "going to lead this thing?\" You know,"}, {"end": "00:46:18", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "it's"}, {"end": "00:46:20", "start": "00:46:14", "text": "uh it's it's sad. And uh but you talk"}, {"end": "00:46:24", "start": "00:46:18", "text": "about like foreign influence stuff."}, {"end": "00:46:27", "start": "00:46:20", "text": "Absolutely. I mean, it's anything to"}, {"end": "00:46:31", "start": "00:46:24", "text": "create chaos. And you're right. I if"}, {"end": "00:46:34", "start": "00:46:27", "text": "people if people don't believe that our"}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:31", "text": "adversaries, our enemies going back to"}, {"end": "00:46:40", "start": "00:46:34", "text": "Cold War and before, right, aren't"}, {"end": "00:46:42", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "trying to feed chaos, feed things to"}, {"end": "00:46:44", "start": "00:46:40", "text": "create chaos in the United States,"}, {"end": "00:46:46", "start": "00:46:42", "text": "you're living under a rock, man. But the"}, {"end": "00:46:50", "start": "00:46:44", "text": "scary thing"}, {"end": "00:46:50", "start": "00:46:46", "text": "is is"}, {"end": "00:46:58", "start": "00:46:50", "text": "we've lost a center of truth. Mhm. And"}, {"end": "00:47:00", "start": "00:46:56", "text": "God has to be put back in. Absolutely."}, {"end": "00:47:03", "start": "00:46:58", "text": "In my opinion. Yeah. God has to be put"}, {"end": "00:47:05", "start": "00:47:00", "text": "back in. And then the foundation of the"}, {"end": "00:47:08", "start": "00:47:03", "text": "country which was based on God needs to"}, {"end": "00:47:10", "start": "00:47:05", "text": "be put back in. And we need to start"}, {"end": "00:47:13", "start": "00:47:08", "text": "putting people in jail that need to be"}, {"end": "00:47:15", "start": "00:47:10", "text": "put in jail. Stop just stop all of this"}, {"end": "00:47:18", "start": "00:47:13", "text": "crap. You know what I mean?"}, {"end": "00:47:21", "start": "00:47:15", "text": "Um, but because we haven't done that for"}, {"end": "00:47:23", "start": "00:47:18", "text": "so long, you have all these groups and"}, {"end": "00:47:25", "start": "00:47:21", "text": "you know, when you talk about the"}, {"end": "00:47:27", "start": "00:47:23", "text": "Bugaloo, they'll figure that out when"}, {"end": "00:47:30", "start": "00:47:25", "text": "they get there. They just want the"}, {"end": "00:47:32", "start": "00:47:27", "text": "collapse and and it it's everywhere. And"}, {"end": "00:47:35", "start": "00:47:30", "text": "I'm afraid regular"}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:32", "text": "people, if you start to really become"}, {"end": "00:47:39", "start": "00:47:35", "text": "disenfranchised, you'd be like, you know"}, {"end": "00:47:41", "start": "00:47:36", "text": "what, these guys are even though you"}, {"end": "00:47:43", "start": "00:47:39", "text": "don't believe everything, at least these"}, {"end": "00:47:46", "start": "00:47:41", "text": "guys are going to take care of it. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:47:48", "start": "00:47:43", "text": "Wow. is that trouble. Yeah. And and you"}, {"end": "00:47:50", "start": "00:47:46", "text": "know on a scale like some people be"}, {"end": "00:47:51", "start": "00:47:48", "text": "like, \"Yeah, but it's only one.\" It's"}, {"end": "00:47:52", "start": "00:47:50", "text": "kind of like you hear somebody say,"}, {"end": "00:47:54", "start": "00:47:51", "text": "\"Well, it only took over two apartment"}, {"end": "00:47:55", "start": "00:47:52", "text": "building buildings. Two two apartment"}, {"end": "00:47:59", "start": "00:47:54", "text": "buildings.\" I'm like, \"Well, one's"}, {"end": "00:48:00", "start": "00:47:55", "text": "enough.\" You know, and and I'll I I'll"}, {"end": "00:48:02", "start": "00:47:59", "text": "get on a little bit of a soap box for"}, {"end": "00:48:03", "start": "00:48:00", "text": "law enforcement here. It's very rare,"}, {"end": "00:48:05", "start": "00:48:02", "text": "especially when you're a uniform cop,"}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:48:03", "text": "that you show up and everybody's happy."}, {"end": "00:48:08", "start": "00:48:05", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Uh"}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "you're showing up when everybody's at"}, {"end": "00:48:12", "start": "00:48:08", "text": "their worst. Yeah. Usually. Yeah. It's"}, {"end": "00:48:15", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "not Facebook, right? Look how happy I am"}, {"end": "00:48:19", "start": "00:48:12", "text": "right now. look how great my life is."}, {"end": "00:48:21", "start": "00:48:15", "text": "Um, but it's you see things like that"}, {"end": "00:48:23", "start": "00:48:19", "text": "and you go, \"Yeah, until something"}, {"end": "00:48:24", "start": "00:48:21", "text": "happens to you or something happens to"}, {"end": "00:48:27", "start": "00:48:23", "text": "your family and then you want to know.\""}, {"end": "00:48:29", "start": "00:48:24", "text": "I used to always say before I retired, I"}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:27", "text": "only retired in 21, June of 21. I used"}, {"end": "00:48:35", "start": "00:48:29", "text": "to say, \"Look, man, don't don't hate me."}, {"end": "00:48:38", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "I'm a law enforcement officer. I'm here"}, {"end": "00:48:40", "start": "00:48:35", "text": "to serve and protect. I took an oath. My"}, {"end": "00:48:43", "start": "00:48:38", "text": "title is peace officer. That's the way I"}, {"end": "00:48:46", "start": "00:48:40", "text": "should be acting. Um, it's not always"}, {"end": "00:48:48", "start": "00:48:43", "text": "that easy. Um, especially when you get"}, {"end": "00:48:50", "start": "00:48:46", "text": "there that's a whole another tangent to"}, {"end": "00:48:52", "start": "00:48:48", "text": "go down, but the things that that law"}, {"end": "00:48:55", "start": "00:48:50", "text": "enforcement sees"}, {"end": "00:48:57", "start": "00:48:52", "text": "on a regular basis can be pretty"}, {"end": "00:48:59", "start": "00:48:55", "text": "horrific. I would say the same thing to"}, {"end": "00:49:00", "start": "00:48:57", "text": "them that I said to you at the"}, {"end": "00:49:03", "start": "00:48:59", "text": "beginning. How do how do you do it?"}, {"end": "00:49:04", "start": "00:49:00", "text": "You're seeing the very worst. How do you"}, {"end": "00:49:06", "start": "00:49:03", "text": "do? We're number one in suicide first"}, {"end": "00:49:08", "start": "00:49:04", "text": "responders. And I'll throw military on"}, {"end": "00:49:10", "start": "00:49:06", "text": "that. Military first responders. And"}, {"end": "00:49:12", "start": "00:49:08", "text": "that's not just that's that's medic."}, {"end": "00:49:15", "start": "00:49:10", "text": "That's fire. Um, first, we're we're"}, {"end": "00:49:17", "start": "00:49:12", "text": "first in suicide. We're first in"}, {"end": "00:49:18", "start": "00:49:15", "text": "divorce. We're first in alcoholism,"}, {"end": "00:49:21", "start": "00:49:17", "text": "which you can throw pills and other"}, {"end": "00:49:23", "start": "00:49:18", "text": "stuff in there now. Um, and we're"}, {"end": "00:49:24", "start": "00:49:21", "text": "usually, if we're not first, we're"}, {"end": "00:49:26", "start": "00:49:23", "text": "pretty high in dying within 5 years"}, {"end": "00:49:28", "start": "00:49:24", "text": "after retiring because it's just such a"}, {"end": "00:49:32", "start": "00:49:26", "text": "pressure cooker. But I used to always"}, {"end": "00:49:34", "start": "00:49:28", "text": "say, look, you know, don't hate me. I'm"}, {"end": "00:49:36", "start": "00:49:32", "text": "just enforcing the law. If you don't"}, {"end": "00:49:37", "start": "00:49:34", "text": "like the law, then change the law. Then"}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:36", "text": "that that's my parameter, right? I'm"}, {"end": "00:49:41", "start": "00:49:37", "text": "looking. This is the law. You broke the"}, {"end": "00:49:42", "start": "00:49:39", "text": "law. M and then we went through this"}, {"end": "00:49:44", "start": "00:49:41", "text": "phase where they were just picking and"}, {"end": "00:49:46", "start": "00:49:42", "text": "choosing what they wanted to charge."}, {"end": "00:49:49", "start": "00:49:44", "text": "It's like, oh, well, I disagree with"}, {"end": "00:49:51", "start": "00:49:46", "text": "that federal law. So, I think it's okay"}, {"end": "00:49:53", "start": "00:49:49", "text": "to break that one. Well, what what kind"}, {"end": "00:49:55", "start": "00:49:51", "text": "of slippery slope is that? Yeah. You"}, {"end": "00:49:56", "start": "00:49:53", "text": "know, I'm like, and then you've got"}, {"end": "00:49:58", "start": "00:49:55", "text": "agencies strapped that can't even do"}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:56", "text": "their job, yet you want them to go out"}, {"end": "00:50:02", "start": "00:49:58", "text": "there and be on the front line and take"}, {"end": "00:50:05", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "a break to the face. It's tough. It's"}, {"end": "00:50:07", "start": "00:50:02", "text": "tough. But for me, I just I think I love"}, {"end": "00:50:09", "start": "00:50:05", "text": "talking and I think everybody just needs"}, {"end": "00:50:11", "start": "00:50:07", "text": "to come to the table and be able to have"}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:09", "text": "a conversation. Agree. Like if I took"}, {"end": "00:50:17", "start": "00:50:11", "text": "I'd say it jokingly, but I'm like if I"}, {"end": "00:50:19", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "took a white supremacist and let's just"}, {"end": "00:50:21", "start": "00:50:17", "text": "say it's a black separatist cuz I've met"}, {"end": "00:50:23", "start": "00:50:19", "text": "a lot of people since I've retired like"}, {"end": "00:50:26", "start": "00:50:21", "text": "through Eradicate Hate Global Summit."}, {"end": "00:50:27", "start": "00:50:23", "text": "I'm talking about they call them that I"}, {"end": "00:50:29", "start": "00:50:26", "text": "hate to put a title but it's like a"}, {"end": "00:50:30", "start": "00:50:27", "text": "former. You're a former like you're a"}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:29", "text": "former radical jihadist. You're a former"}, {"end": "00:50:35", "start": "00:50:30", "text": "whisper. a former uh black separatist"}, {"end": "00:50:37", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "and we're all sitting down at a table"}, {"end": "00:50:41", "start": "00:50:35", "text": "and having a meal together because now"}, {"end": "00:50:43", "start": "00:50:37", "text": "they're with life after hate and stuff."}, {"end": "00:50:45", "start": "00:50:41", "text": "Um I don't know where I was going with"}, {"end": "00:50:47", "start": "00:50:43", "text": "it, but yeah, I was headed somewhere,"}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:45", "text": "but oh well. I love that when that"}, {"end": "00:50:52", "start": "00:50:47", "text": "happens. I love"}, {"end": "00:50:55", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "um let me let me take you to"}, {"end": "00:50:57", "start": "00:50:52", "text": "um how are these"}, {"end": "00:51:00", "start": "00:50:55", "text": "accelerationists attracting new people?"}, {"end": "00:51:01", "start": "00:50:57", "text": "Oh, they're big on recruitment."}, {"end": "00:51:03", "start": "00:51:00", "text": "Recruitment. You kind of hit on some of"}, {"end": "00:51:05", "start": "00:51:01", "text": "it in the gaming like you said your your"}, {"end": "00:51:07", "start": "00:51:03", "text": "kid was being groomed. Man, that happens"}, {"end": "00:51:09", "start": "00:51:05", "text": "all the time. Parents need to be aware."}, {"end": "00:51:10", "start": "00:51:07", "text": "Look, I I get not want to be a"}, {"end": "00:51:13", "start": "00:51:09", "text": "helicopter parent. I don't agree with"}, {"end": "00:51:15", "start": "00:51:10", "text": "helicopter parenting personally, but"}, {"end": "00:51:17", "start": "00:51:13", "text": "online you have you have to. I mean,"}, {"end": "00:51:20", "start": "00:51:15", "text": "there's great applications out there"}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:17", "text": "like Bark just like it sounds. BK, you"}, {"end": "00:51:22", "start": "00:51:20", "text": "can install that on your kids' phone."}, {"end": "00:51:24", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "Man, I don't know how many thousands of"}, {"end": "00:51:26", "start": "00:51:22", "text": "people they got working it, but they got"}, {"end": "00:51:28", "start": "00:51:24", "text": "people working it. It will notify you if"}, {"end": "00:51:31", "start": "00:51:26", "text": "there's suicidal talk, firearm talk,"}, {"end": "00:51:33", "start": "00:51:28", "text": "dope talk, sex talk, all that stuff. And"}, {"end": "00:51:35", "start": "00:51:31", "text": "it'll also quiz you as a parent to do"}, {"end": "00:51:36", "start": "00:51:33", "text": "you know what this means? This is this"}, {"end": "00:51:38", "start": "00:51:35", "text": "is the current thing right now. This is"}, {"end": "00:51:39", "start": "00:51:36", "text": "the current when you see this emoji. Do"}, {"end": "00:51:41", "start": "00:51:38", "text": "you know what that means? How long has"}, {"end": "00:51:43", "start": "00:51:39", "text": "this been out? I just my kid today my"}, {"end": "00:51:45", "start": "00:51:41", "text": "daughter is graduating from high school."}, {"end": "00:51:47", "start": "00:51:43", "text": "I would have liked that. Yeah. Listen,"}, {"end": "00:51:48", "start": "00:51:45", "text": "I'm with you. I found out from another"}, {"end": "00:51:50", "start": "00:51:47", "text": "law enforcement officer who had already"}, {"end": "00:51:52", "start": "00:51:48", "text": "done the research and development and he"}, {"end": "00:51:55", "start": "00:51:50", "text": "told me he said I'm like dude or like"}, {"end": "00:51:58", "start": "00:51:52", "text": "like I'm in the FBI office and I come in"}, {"end": "00:52:00", "start": "00:51:55", "text": "and I'm I'm very transparent and I'm"}, {"end": "00:52:02", "start": "00:51:58", "text": "talking to the guys and gals on the"}, {"end": "00:52:04", "start": "00:52:00", "text": "cyber squad about some things that I"}, {"end": "00:52:05", "start": "00:52:02", "text": "found on Snapchat when my daughters were"}, {"end": "00:52:07", "start": "00:52:04", "text": "younger and they're like, \"Oh yeah,"}, {"end": "00:52:09", "start": "00:52:05", "text": "Snapchat's a devil for young kids.\" And"}, {"end": "00:52:10", "start": "00:52:07", "text": "I'm like, \"Well, see that'd be nice for"}, {"end": "00:52:13", "start": "00:52:09", "text": "you to spread through this entire"}, {"end": "00:52:14", "start": "00:52:10", "text": "office.\" Yeah. Because I didn't know."}, {"end": "00:52:16", "start": "00:52:13", "text": "That would have been good to know about"}, {"end": "00:52:18", "start": "00:52:14", "text": "three months ago actually. You jack"}, {"end": "00:52:22", "start": "00:52:16", "text": "wagon, right? Um so yeah, just putting"}, {"end": "00:52:23", "start": "00:52:18", "text": "it out there. But gaming, huge"}, {"end": "00:52:26", "start": "00:52:22", "text": "recruitments there. But all these dark"}, {"end": "00:52:29", "start": "00:52:23", "text": "web apps like um and maybe it's not even"}, {"end": "00:52:34", "start": "00:52:26", "text": "considered dark web, but Telegram, Gab,"}, {"end": "00:52:36", "start": "00:52:29", "text": "Wire, Riot, Discord, all these things,"}, {"end": "00:52:38", "start": "00:52:34", "text": "they can be for good things, but let me"}, {"end": "00:52:40", "start": "00:52:36", "text": "just let you know that there are people"}, {"end": "00:52:43", "start": "00:52:38", "text": "with nefarious plans going to those"}, {"end": "00:52:44", "start": "00:52:40", "text": "things to recruit. Mhm. And that's how I"}, {"end": "00:52:46", "start": "00:52:43", "text": "got in the base. I went to Gab. They"}, {"end": "00:52:48", "start": "00:52:44", "text": "were posting all kinds of stuff. They"}, {"end": "00:52:49", "start": "00:52:46", "text": "would get their channel would get closed"}, {"end": "00:52:51", "start": "00:52:48", "text": "down and they would change one thing and"}, {"end": "00:52:55", "start": "00:52:49", "text": "come back. What What is What is the"}, {"end": "00:52:59", "start": "00:52:51", "text": "base? Uh they said they were a survival"}, {"end": "00:53:01", "start": "00:52:55", "text": "survivalist group um training uh for"}, {"end": "00:53:03", "start": "00:52:59", "text": "whatever. And then you start you see"}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:53:01", "text": "like save your race, join the base, and"}, {"end": "00:53:06", "start": "00:53:03", "text": "then it would have an email at Proton"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "Mail uh because that's not in the"}, {"end": "00:53:10", "start": "00:53:06", "text": "States, right? So you can do that."}, {"end": "00:53:13", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "anything that they believe is"}, {"end": "00:53:15", "start": "00:53:10", "text": "encrypted. Uh that that in in a lot of"}, {"end": "00:53:16", "start": "00:53:13", "text": "people's mind that means okay basically"}, {"end": "00:53:19", "start": "00:53:15", "text": "the feds can't subpoena this cuz it's in"}, {"end": "00:53:22", "start": "00:53:16", "text": "another country, right? So and sometimes"}, {"end": "00:53:23", "start": "00:53:19", "text": "it's true. Um you know VK was the"}, {"end": "00:53:25", "start": "00:53:22", "text": "Russian Facebook for a long time. I"}, {"end": "00:53:28", "start": "00:53:23", "text": "don't know if it still is cuz I'm not in"}, {"end": "00:53:30", "start": "00:53:25", "text": "the game anymore but uh you go on there"}, {"end": "00:53:31", "start": "00:53:28", "text": "and it'll be like hey here's a room"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:30", "text": "whites only. Well I wonder what you're"}, {"end": "00:53:37", "start": "00:53:31", "text": "going to find in there. Right. 14 words"}, {"end": "00:53:39", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "which is this is all throughout white"}, {"end": "00:53:41", "start": "00:53:37", "text": "supremacy. the 14 words coined by David"}, {"end": "00:53:44", "start": "00:53:39", "text": "Lane. I don't have it memorized anymore,"}, {"end": "00:53:45", "start": "00:53:41", "text": "but basically securing the uh uh the"}, {"end": "00:53:49", "start": "00:53:44", "text": "future of the white race and our"}, {"end": "00:53:51", "start": "00:53:45", "text": "children. Um so you start going in there"}, {"end": "00:53:52", "start": "00:53:49", "text": "and then you see like that people go to"}, {"end": "00:53:56", "start": "00:53:51", "text": "a lot of work. They'll put together"}, {"end": "00:54:00", "start": "00:53:52", "text": "these um videos where they're showing"}, {"end": "00:54:02", "start": "00:53:56", "text": "real things that happen uh where let's"}, {"end": "00:54:05", "start": "00:54:00", "text": "just say it's it's blacks attacking"}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:54:02", "text": "whites um or just brutal beatdowns and"}, {"end": "00:54:10", "start": "00:54:05", "text": "stuff and they show that stuff to get"}, {"end": "00:54:12", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "your hate going. But if you go over to"}, {"end": "00:54:14", "start": "00:54:10", "text": "the black separatist, they're showing"}, {"end": "00:54:16", "start": "00:54:12", "text": "videos of white people doing bad things"}, {"end": "00:54:18", "start": "00:54:14", "text": "to African-Americans or whatever. And"}, {"end": "00:54:20", "start": "00:54:16", "text": "it's like again, it's that whole it's"}, {"end": "00:54:21", "start": "00:54:18", "text": "evil. It's hate. It's it's the devil,"}, {"end": "00:54:23", "start": "00:54:20", "text": "man. I mean, you walk over here, you"}, {"end": "00:54:25", "start": "00:54:21", "text": "whisper in this, and a reasonable person"}, {"end": "00:54:28", "start": "00:54:23", "text": "would say, \"Both of those are true.\""}, {"end": "00:54:29", "start": "00:54:25", "text": "Yes. Let's not be a part of any of that."}, {"end": "00:54:31", "start": "00:54:28", "text": "Yeah. And they're just and they're and"}, {"end": "00:54:34", "start": "00:54:29", "text": "and they go to these great lengths to"}, {"end": "00:54:38", "start": "00:54:31", "text": "recruit in the base. Uh the rule for us"}, {"end": "00:54:40", "start": "00:54:34", "text": "was every video we released for"}, {"end": "00:54:43", "start": "00:54:38", "text": "recruitment, the next video had to be"}, {"end": "00:54:45", "start": "00:54:40", "text": "better. Had to get better every time."}, {"end": "00:54:47", "start": "00:54:43", "text": "So, putting up flyers, doing videos, and"}, {"end": "00:54:49", "start": "00:54:45", "text": "you see a lot of young kids diving in"}, {"end": "00:54:51", "start": "00:54:47", "text": "here, you know, from all over the world."}, {"end": "00:54:52", "start": "00:54:49", "text": "I mean, we had members in the base from"}, {"end": "00:54:55", "start": "00:54:51", "text": "cuz I mean, you got a you got a phone"}, {"end": "00:54:57", "start": "00:54:52", "text": "now, you got a smartphone. Um, and that"}, {"end": "00:54:59", "start": "00:54:55", "text": "shrinks the world. We had members from"}, {"end": "00:55:03", "start": "00:54:57", "text": "Australia in Australia, South Africa,"}, {"end": "00:55:06", "start": "00:54:59", "text": "Canada, the UK, Germany, I think"}, {"end": "00:55:08", "start": "00:55:03", "text": "Norway. Um, and there's plenty more. How"}, {"end": "00:55:10", "start": "00:55:06", "text": "dangerous do you think it is to where"}, {"end": "00:55:12", "start": "00:55:08", "text": "and but I don't want to get you into"}, {"end": "00:55:14", "start": "00:55:10", "text": "politics but um"}, {"end": "00:55:18", "start": "00:55:12", "text": "the in"}, {"end": "00:55:20", "start": "00:55:14", "text": "Europe they are importing all of or you"}, {"end": "00:55:23", "start": "00:55:18", "text": "know allowing all of these people to"}, {"end": "00:55:24", "start": "00:55:20", "text": "come on refugees and they're they're not"}, {"end": "00:55:26", "start": "00:55:23", "text": "listening to the people and I'm not"}, {"end": "00:55:29", "start": "00:55:24", "text": "talking white people I'm talking people"}, {"end": "00:55:32", "start": "00:55:26", "text": "who are any color but that's their"}, {"end": "00:55:34", "start": "00:55:29", "text": "country and they don't believe in this"}, {"end": "00:55:38", "start": "00:55:32", "text": "policy and they feel their country is"}, {"end": "00:55:40", "start": "00:55:34", "text": "being overrun run and nobody seems to be"}, {"end": "00:55:43", "start": "00:55:38", "text": "able to explain exactly how this is good"}, {"end": "00:55:47", "start": "00:55:40", "text": "for our country. And I'm watching these"}, {"end": "00:55:49", "start": "00:55:43", "text": "farmers, you know, with the WF thing"}, {"end": "00:55:51", "start": "00:55:47", "text": "where they're being told, \"You can't"}, {"end": "00:55:52", "start": "00:55:49", "text": "farm that land. You can't use"}, {"end": "00:55:55", "start": "00:55:51", "text": "fertilizer. You can't.\" And they're"}, {"end": "00:55:58", "start": "00:55:52", "text": "like, \"Well, how are you going to eat?\""}, {"end": "00:56:00", "start": "00:55:55", "text": "Yeah. And they nobody seems to have a"}, {"end": "00:56:02", "start": "00:55:58", "text": "good answer. And they're all going the"}, {"end": "00:56:05", "start": "00:56:00", "text": "same direction. And I look at this as a"}, {"end": "00:56:08", "start": "00:56:02", "text": "ticking time bomb for two things."}, {"end": "00:56:12", "start": "00:56:05", "text": "one civil unrest like nobody's business"}, {"end": "00:56:15", "start": "00:56:08", "text": "and extremism. When you back people into"}, {"end": "00:56:17", "start": "00:56:12", "text": "a corner and nobody is making any sense,"}, {"end": "00:56:19", "start": "00:56:15", "text": "you'll go to the only person that's"}, {"end": "00:56:22", "start": "00:56:17", "text": "saying the things that you're thinking"}, {"end": "00:56:24", "start": "00:56:19", "text": "about this deep, not thinking that"}, {"end": "00:56:25", "start": "00:56:22", "text": "they're this deep on all of those"}, {"end": "00:56:27", "start": "00:56:24", "text": "things. You know, it's like being in"}, {"end": "00:56:29", "start": "00:56:25", "text": "prison. Pretty sure I'm probably going"}, {"end": "00:56:32", "start": "00:56:27", "text": "to side with the white group cuz it's"}, {"end": "00:56:34", "start": "00:56:29", "text": "prison, you know? It's like, all right,"}, {"end": "00:56:36", "start": "00:56:32", "text": "right. Uh cuz I mean you're trying to"}, {"end": "00:56:38", "start": "00:56:34", "text": "survive at that point. Are you are you"}, {"end": "00:56:40", "start": "00:56:36", "text": "concerned about that? I I am, but again"}, {"end": "00:56:42", "start": "00:56:38", "text": "I'm an optimist and the glass is half"}, {"end": "00:56:43", "start": "00:56:40", "text": "full guy. Uh if I wasn't, I don't know."}, {"end": "00:56:47", "start": "00:56:42", "text": "I'd probably jumped off a building a"}, {"end": "00:56:50", "start": "00:56:43", "text": "long time ago, you know."}, {"end": "00:56:52", "start": "00:56:47", "text": "Um sometimes if they push far enough,"}, {"end": "00:56:54", "start": "00:56:50", "text": "hopefully everybody wakes up, hopefully"}, {"end": "00:56:57", "start": "00:56:52", "text": "a catastrophic event, something horrific"}, {"end": "00:56:59", "start": "00:56:54", "text": "doesn't have to happen. Um and they can"}, {"end": "00:57:01", "start": "00:56:57", "text": "wake up and go, \"Wait a minute, we have"}, {"end": "00:57:03", "start": "00:56:59", "text": "gone too far.\" There's humanitarian. I"}, {"end": "00:57:05", "start": "00:57:01", "text": "get the humanitarian thing. I worked the"}, {"end": "00:57:07", "start": "00:57:03", "text": "border for six and a half years. I I I"}, {"end": "00:57:09", "start": "00:57:05", "text": "was I was with the president two weeks"}, {"end": "00:57:12", "start": "00:57:07", "text": "ago and I said and he said, \"I know I'm"}, {"end": "00:57:14", "start": "00:57:09", "text": "the same way.\" I said, \"Look, if I'm"}, {"end": "00:57:17", "start": "00:57:12", "text": "living in Mexico and my town is overrun"}, {"end": "00:57:20", "start": "00:57:14", "text": "with drug lords, my kids have no chance"}, {"end": "00:57:22", "start": "00:57:17", "text": "of ever progressing. I tried to vote and"}, {"end": "00:57:23", "start": "00:57:20", "text": "they kill the guy I'm voting for.\" And"}, {"end": "00:57:26", "start": "00:57:22", "text": "America doesn't care about their"}, {"end": "00:57:27", "start": "00:57:23", "text": "borders. I am there in a heartbeat. I'm"}, {"end": "00:57:32", "start": "00:57:26", "text": "taking my whole f I'm trying to get"}, {"end": "00:57:35", "start": "00:57:27", "text": "everybody to America. I get it. I 100%"}, {"end": "00:57:38", "start": "00:57:32", "text": "get it. So, we have to have compassion"}, {"end": "00:57:41", "start": "00:57:35", "text": "and understand we also we don't want to"}, {"end": "00:57:43", "start": "00:57:38", "text": "be the Titanic without lifeboats. We we"}, {"end": "00:57:44", "start": "00:57:41", "text": "have to have life. How do you do it?"}, {"end": "00:57:46", "start": "00:57:43", "text": "They've maybe they can speed up the"}, {"end": "00:57:47", "start": "00:57:44", "text": "process. I don't know. I'm not an"}, {"end": "00:57:51", "start": "00:57:46", "text": "immigration guy. I worked with them like"}, {"end": "00:57:53", "start": "00:57:47", "text": "crazy for years. But um humanitarian"}, {"end": "00:57:55", "start": "00:57:51", "text": "side, man, I've seen a a mother and a"}, {"end": "00:57:57", "start": "00:57:53", "text": "daughter get caught cuz I' i've"}, {"end": "00:58:00", "start": "00:57:55", "text": "apprehended a load cuz when when I was"}, {"end": "00:58:03", "start": "00:57:57", "text": "in Macallen, Texas for 6 and a half"}, {"end": "00:58:05", "start": "00:58:00", "text": "years the bulk of that time, I'll say it"}, {"end": "00:58:08", "start": "00:58:03", "text": "was the flavor of the month, but it was"}, {"end": "00:58:09", "start": "00:58:05", "text": "special interest alien smuggling. So it"}, {"end": "00:58:11", "start": "00:58:08", "text": "was it was aliens. it it was"}, {"end": "00:58:13", "start": "00:58:09", "text": "undocumented aliens coming into America"}, {"end": "00:58:16", "start": "00:58:11", "text": "from threat countries, but it was very"}, {"end": "00:58:18", "start": "00:58:13", "text": "rare that you would find a pipeline, say"}, {"end": "00:58:21", "start": "00:58:16", "text": "Chinese triad from China all the way to"}, {"end": "00:58:23", "start": "00:58:18", "text": "New York City. It would be you got"}, {"end": "00:58:26", "start": "00:58:21", "text": "you've got multiple smuggling groups all"}, {"end": "00:58:29", "start": "00:58:23", "text": "on the uh the Mexico side and they're"}, {"end": "00:58:32", "start": "00:58:26", "text": "bringing people in and it might be 10"}, {"end": "00:58:34", "start": "00:58:29", "text": "loads of just what they would call other"}, {"end": "00:58:37", "start": "00:58:32", "text": "than Mexican or Mexicans and then in"}, {"end": "00:58:40", "start": "00:58:34", "text": "that 11th load you got nine Chinese or"}, {"end": "00:58:42", "start": "00:58:37", "text": "you got somebody from Yemen or so you"}, {"end": "00:58:45", "start": "00:58:40", "text": "had to it was very rare that you had"}, {"end": "00:58:48", "start": "00:58:42", "text": "this straight pipeline. Um but I've seen"}, {"end": "00:58:50", "start": "00:58:45", "text": "horrific things. I mean, and I'm I"}, {"end": "00:58:51", "start": "00:58:48", "text": "wasn't even working it every day. Um,"}, {"end": "00:58:53", "start": "00:58:50", "text": "but like a mother and a daughter who"}, {"end": "00:58:57", "start": "00:58:51", "text": "came from somewhere way away, had to"}, {"end": "00:58:58", "start": "00:58:53", "text": "come on a ship, there's no telling. I"}, {"end": "00:59:00", "start": "00:58:57", "text": "mean, I'm pretty sure, I won't get into"}, {"end": "00:59:02", "start": "00:58:58", "text": "it, but there's been horrific things"}, {"end": "00:59:03", "start": "00:59:00", "text": "that they had to go through. I know. Or"}, {"end": "00:59:05", "start": "00:59:02", "text": "you see a girl that went through"}, {"end": "00:59:09", "start": "00:59:03", "text": "Guatemala"}, {"end": "00:59:13", "start": "00:59:05", "text": "um in uh in a hidden compartment by the"}, {"end": "00:59:16", "start": "00:59:09", "text": "engine of a bus, no AC, in that heat for"}, {"end": "00:59:17", "start": "00:59:13", "text": "like 16 hours and then through Mexico in"}, {"end": "00:59:21", "start": "00:59:16", "text": "a hidden compartment next to the bus"}, {"end": "00:59:23", "start": "00:59:17", "text": "engine for 16 to 18 hours. And then you"}, {"end": "00:59:25", "start": "00:59:21", "text": "finally make it across the river and you"}, {"end": "00:59:27", "start": "00:59:23", "text": "get caught and they send them right"}, {"end": "00:59:29", "start": "00:59:25", "text": "back. Or that mother and daughter, they"}, {"end": "00:59:30", "start": "00:59:27", "text": "flew them back. And I'm like, but I've"}, {"end": "00:59:32", "start": "00:59:29", "text": "seen evil people because they were"}, {"end": "00:59:34", "start": "00:59:30", "text": "Mexican, they just kick them back across"}, {"end": "00:59:37", "start": "00:59:32", "text": "the river. And I'm telling you, Glenn,"}, {"end": "00:59:40", "start": "00:59:34", "text": "well before we're even close to"}, {"end": "00:59:42", "start": "00:59:37", "text": "finishing processing everybody or even"}, {"end": "00:59:44", "start": "00:59:40", "text": "attempting to get paperwork done, I have"}, {"end": "00:59:45", "start": "00:59:42", "text": "a source calling me and going, \"Hey,"}, {"end": "00:59:47", "start": "00:59:44", "text": "they're back in the stash house.\" And"}, {"end": "00:59:49", "start": "00:59:45", "text": "I'm like,"}, {"end": "00:59:51", "start": "00:59:47", "text": "I'm still at the Border Patrol station"}, {"end": "00:59:52", "start": "00:59:49", "text": "and they're like, \"Yeah, they're back at"}, {"end": "00:59:52", "start": "00:59:51", "text": "the house. They've already came across."}, {"end": "00:59:54", "start": "00:59:52", "text": "They've already come back across the"}, {"end": "00:59:56", "start": "00:59:52", "text": "river.\" That's the This is This is the"}, {"end": "00:59:57", "start": "00:59:54", "text": "problem, though. I think all of our"}, {"end": "01:00:01", "start": "00:59:56", "text": "compassion is"}, {"end": "01:00:03", "start": "00:59:57", "text": "misplaced if we're not thinking about"}, {"end": "01:00:07", "start": "01:00:01", "text": "the compartment next to the engine in"}, {"end": "01:00:09", "start": "01:00:03", "text": "the bus. Yeah. We if we by first of all"}, {"end": "01:00:11", "start": "01:00:07", "text": "by not being clear on what our rules"}, {"end": "01:00:13", "start": "01:00:09", "text": "are,"}, {"end": "01:00:15", "start": "01:00:11", "text": "that person wherever they are thinks"}, {"end": "01:00:18", "start": "01:00:13", "text": "they have a chance to escape whatever"}, {"end": "01:00:20", "start": "01:00:15", "text": "horror they're in and get to America."}, {"end": "01:00:21", "start": "01:00:18", "text": "And then"}, {"end": "01:00:24", "start": "01:00:20", "text": "I mean again I would do the same thing."}, {"end": "01:00:26", "start": "01:00:21", "text": "It's a dilemma because you also know"}, {"end": "01:00:30", "start": "01:00:24", "text": "that or at least I know cuz I've worked"}, {"end": "01:00:31", "start": "01:00:26", "text": "it. When that opens up, you know that"}, {"end": "01:00:32", "start": "01:00:30", "text": "bad people are going to use that for"}, {"end": "01:00:34", "start": "01:00:31", "text": "their advantage. That's what I mean. And"}, {"end": "01:00:36", "start": "01:00:32", "text": "that's what happens. All of the people"}, {"end": "01:00:39", "start": "01:00:34", "text": "along the way that are making all kinds"}, {"end": "01:00:42", "start": "01:00:36", "text": "of money and exploiting those people"}, {"end": "01:00:45", "start": "01:00:39", "text": "that we we don't seem to care about the"}, {"end": "01:00:47", "start": "01:00:42", "text": "suffering that goes on because we're"}, {"end": "01:00:49", "start": "01:00:45", "text": "unclear and all of the bad guys we're"}, {"end": "01:00:52", "start": "01:00:47", "text": "empowering. A lot of people don't know"}, {"end": "01:00:54", "start": "01:00:49", "text": "it. uh they don't want to know it and"}, {"end": "01:00:56", "start": "01:00:52", "text": "and depending on what your political"}, {"end": "01:00:59", "start": "01:00:54", "text": "stance is or what you're running for"}, {"end": "01:01:02", "start": "01:00:56", "text": "some people I mean it's politics they"}, {"end": "01:01:04", "start": "01:00:59", "text": "want you know they they they want the"}, {"end": "01:01:07", "start": "01:01:02", "text": "votes how how much do"}, {"end": "01:01:09", "start": "01:01:04", "text": "these uh I don't know clan and"}, {"end": "01:01:11", "start": "01:01:07", "text": "everything else how much do they have in"}, {"end": "01:01:14", "start": "01:01:09", "text": "common with what the drug cartels are"}, {"end": "01:01:17", "start": "01:01:11", "text": "really turning into the drug cartels"}, {"end": "01:01:19", "start": "01:01:14", "text": "seem to be it's different it's different"}, {"end": "01:01:21", "start": "01:01:17", "text": "cuz like a lot of the white supremacy"}, {"end": "01:01:23", "start": "01:01:19", "text": "stuff I did. There wasn't really a lot"}, {"end": "01:01:24", "start": "01:01:21", "text": "of I mean, if it was drugs involved, it"}, {"end": "01:01:28", "start": "01:01:23", "text": "was because they were using personally"}, {"end": "01:01:30", "start": "01:01:24", "text": "using aderall to help them shoot"}, {"end": "01:01:32", "start": "01:01:28", "text": "faster. You want some pale horse? I go,"}, {"end": "01:01:35", "start": "01:01:30", "text": "\"No, I'm good. I got coffee.\" Right. I"}, {"end": "01:01:36", "start": "01:01:32", "text": "don't even know where you got that, man."}, {"end": "01:01:39", "start": "01:01:35", "text": "It's probably got fentanel in it. You"}, {"end": "01:01:41", "start": "01:01:36", "text": "know, uh, no, I'm not going to do"}, {"end": "01:01:45", "start": "01:01:39", "text": "aderall. Uh, I didn't see a lot of that."}, {"end": "01:01:48", "start": "01:01:41", "text": "that was more about the ideology and and"}, {"end": "01:01:50", "start": "01:01:45", "text": "getting your own ethnostate or like even"}, {"end": "01:01:51", "start": "01:01:48", "text": "the clan changed from being white"}, {"end": "01:01:52", "start": "01:01:50", "text": "supremacist. They go, \"We're not white"}, {"end": "01:01:55", "start": "01:01:51", "text": "supremacist anymore. We're white"}, {"end": "01:01:57", "start": "01:01:52", "text": "separatist.\" And I'm like, \"Okay.\" Cuz"}, {"end": "01:01:59", "start": "01:01:55", "text": "it sounds less offensive. I mean, you"}, {"end": "01:02:01", "start": "01:01:57", "text": "you can have or you're the politically"}, {"end": "01:02:03", "start": "01:01:59", "text": "correct. Yeah. You can have your town"}, {"end": "01:02:05", "start": "01:02:01", "text": "look on this other side of this ridge"}, {"end": "01:02:07", "start": "01:02:03", "text": "and those pine trees. You can have all"}, {"end": "01:02:08", "start": "01:02:05", "text": "black, whatever you want. We just want"}, {"end": "01:02:10", "start": "01:02:07", "text": "our all white right here. And I think"}, {"end": "01:02:13", "start": "01:02:08", "text": "the words, it's in the book, but I"}, {"end": "01:02:17", "start": "01:02:10", "text": "forget the actual transcription. It was"}, {"end": "01:02:20", "start": "01:02:13", "text": "like, I mean, you don't see like you"}, {"end": "01:02:22", "start": "01:02:17", "text": "don't see cats and dogs having sex, so"}, {"end": "01:02:25", "start": "01:02:20", "text": "we don't like race mixing. And I'm like,"}, {"end": "01:02:28", "start": "01:02:22", "text": "that's makes absolutely okay. So that's"}, {"end": "01:02:30", "start": "01:02:25", "text": "a cat and a dog. These are two humans."}, {"end": "01:02:32", "start": "01:02:28", "text": "I'm like, I think if I see somebody with"}, {"end": "01:02:35", "start": "01:02:30", "text": "a giraffe having sex, I'm going to say"}, {"end": "01:02:37", "start": "01:02:32", "text": "no to that. I'm like, you know, I mean,"}, {"end": "01:02:39", "start": "01:02:35", "text": "I kind of see what you're saying, but I"}, {"end": "01:02:44", "start": "01:02:37", "text": "don't see what you're saying. Um, you"}, {"end": "01:02:46", "start": "01:02:39", "text": "were you were at something where um me?"}, {"end": "01:02:49", "start": "01:02:44", "text": "Yeah. You were at something where they"}, {"end": "01:02:51", "start": "01:02:46", "text": "sacrificed a goat. Ah, yes. Tell us."}, {"end": "01:02:53", "start": "01:02:49", "text": "Yes. That would not be they, that would"}, {"end": "01:02:55", "start": "01:02:51", "text": "be us. I was there and uh took part in"}, {"end": "01:02:57", "start": "01:02:53", "text": "it."}, {"end": "01:03:00", "start": "01:02:55", "text": "So, we'll circle back on that paganism"}, {"end": "01:03:02", "start": "01:02:57", "text": "thing. So, a lot of your white supremacy"}, {"end": "01:03:04", "start": "01:03:00", "text": "groups that I've been in involved with"}, {"end": "01:03:07", "start": "01:03:02", "text": "at the end, uh, were falling more"}, {"end": "01:03:09", "start": "01:03:04", "text": "towards paganism. Um, but I say that"}, {"end": "01:03:12", "start": "01:03:07", "text": "loosely because just like how the white"}, {"end": "01:03:14", "start": "01:03:09", "text": "supremacy movement took Christianity and"}, {"end": "01:03:16", "start": "01:03:12", "text": "made Christian identity, Church of Jesus"}, {"end": "01:03:17", "start": "01:03:14", "text": "Christ Christian, all that twisted"}, {"end": "01:03:20", "start": "01:03:16", "text": "Garden of Eden stuff, and there's a"}, {"end": "01:03:21", "start": "01:03:17", "text": "whole bunch of other stuff, too. The the"}, {"end": "01:03:24", "start": "01:03:20", "text": "white supremacy realm was taking"}, {"end": "01:03:27", "start": "01:03:21", "text": "paganism and twisting it and and it's"}, {"end": "01:03:30", "start": "01:03:24", "text": "not what it's supposed to be. Um, so,"}, {"end": "01:03:34", "start": "01:03:27", "text": "uh, this was the group, The Base, and it"}, {"end": "01:03:35", "start": "01:03:30", "text": "was, uh, Halloween Hate Camp 2019. Yeah,"}, {"end": "01:03:37", "start": "01:03:34", "text": "Halloween. Yeah. I mean, we didn't call"}, {"end": "01:03:39", "start": "01:03:35", "text": "it Halloween. I was going to say, I'd"}, {"end": "01:03:42", "start": "01:03:37", "text": "love to see the flyers in the school"}, {"end": "01:03:44", "start": "01:03:39", "text": "halls. Come to the Halloween hate camp."}, {"end": "01:03:47", "start": "01:03:42", "text": "Everybody's welcome. I mean, almost."}, {"end": "01:03:52", "start": "01:03:44", "text": "It's not everybody. I mean, not you, but"}, {"end": "01:03:54", "start": "01:03:47", "text": "uh, yeah. Oh, man. people. Uh, but they"}, {"end": "01:03:56", "start": "01:03:52", "text": "we had probably like 12 or 13 members"}, {"end": "01:03:59", "start": "01:03:54", "text": "come from all over the United States."}, {"end": "01:04:01", "start": "01:03:56", "text": "Uh, in North Georgia was the sale C L. I"}, {"end": "01:04:05", "start": "01:03:59", "text": "always spell it cuz I got a country"}, {"end": "01:04:09", "start": "01:04:01", "text": "accent. Um, the closest sale to me was"}, {"end": "01:04:10", "start": "01:04:05", "text": "in North Georgia. It just ends up uh,"}, {"end": "01:04:12", "start": "01:04:09", "text": "luck, divine intervention. That that's"}, {"end": "01:04:16", "start": "01:04:10", "text": "one of the people we were trying to find"}, {"end": "01:04:18", "start": "01:04:12", "text": "out about. And this guy Luke, uh, he"}, {"end": "01:04:19", "start": "01:04:16", "text": "went by the he went for the most of the"}, {"end": "01:04:21", "start": "01:04:18", "text": "time he went by TMBB, the militant"}, {"end": "01:04:23", "start": "01:04:19", "text": "Buddhist. Everybody has a moniker. I was"}, {"end": "01:04:27", "start": "01:04:21", "text": "pale horse, which is the title of the"}, {"end": "01:04:30", "start": "01:04:23", "text": "book. Um,"}, {"end": "01:04:32", "start": "01:04:27", "text": "the he had he lived on a 100 acre. Can I"}, {"end": "01:04:36", "start": "01:04:30", "text": "stop for a second? Yeah. Why the pale?"}, {"end": "01:04:38", "start": "01:04:32", "text": "Because the pale horse death. Yeah. Uh,"}, {"end": "01:04:41", "start": "01:04:36", "text": "well, the story goes like this, Glenn. I"}, {"end": "01:04:44", "start": "01:04:38", "text": "came in as white warrior, which was more"}, {"end": "01:04:46", "start": "01:04:41", "text": "of an boomer kind of a kind of a thing."}, {"end": "01:04:48", "start": "01:04:44", "text": "But of course, I'd argue back and I go,"}, {"end": "01:04:50", "start": "01:04:46", "text": "\"Well, I'm sorry. When I was in this"}, {"end": "01:04:51", "start": "01:04:48", "text": "movement, and I've been in I've been in"}, {"end": "01:04:55", "start": "01:04:50", "text": "it longer than you've probably been"}, {"end": "01:04:57", "start": "01:04:51", "text": "alive.\" Uh, we wore it proudly. Tattoos,"}, {"end": "01:04:59", "start": "01:04:55", "text": "all this stuff. I just I just twisted it"}, {"end": "01:05:01", "start": "01:04:57", "text": "to make it believable. But, uh,"}, {"end": "01:05:03", "start": "01:04:59", "text": "Pestilence was one of the main guys. And"}, {"end": "01:05:05", "start": "01:05:01", "text": "And I asked him, I said, cuz he was"}, {"end": "01:05:07", "start": "01:05:03", "text": "like, \"White Warrior is such a boomer"}, {"end": "01:05:09", "start": "01:05:05", "text": "name.\" And I'm like, \"Okay, all right."}, {"end": "01:05:11", "start": "01:05:07", "text": "First of all, I Googled it. I don't even"}, {"end": "01:05:13", "start": "01:05:09", "text": "fall within the boomer years, but"}, {"end": "01:05:15", "start": "01:05:11", "text": "whatever. You know, you little punk."}, {"end": "01:05:17", "start": "01:05:13", "text": "But, uh, I'm like, \"So, where did you"}, {"end": "01:05:18", "start": "01:05:15", "text": "come up with pestilence?\" And he said,"}, {"end": "01:05:20", "start": "01:05:17", "text": "\"Well, it's one of the four horsemen."}, {"end": "01:05:23", "start": "01:05:18", "text": "It's it's a, you know, it's the plague.\""}, {"end": "01:05:27", "start": "01:05:20", "text": "And I'm like, \"Wow, that is really"}, {"end": "01:05:29", "start": "01:05:23", "text": "cooler than mine.\" I was like, \"Now I do"}, {"end": "01:05:31", "start": "01:05:27", "text": "feel like a boomer.\" That was pretty"}, {"end": "01:05:33", "start": "01:05:29", "text": "good. And then I I said I said, \"Man,"}, {"end": "01:05:34", "start": "01:05:31", "text": "would you be offended if I took Pale"}, {"end": "01:05:36", "start": "01:05:33", "text": "Horse?\" I said, cuz I've always been"}, {"end": "01:05:39", "start": "01:05:34", "text": "fascinated with, you know, death on a"}, {"end": "01:05:40", "start": "01:05:36", "text": "pale horse, the grim reaper, you know,"}, {"end": "01:05:42", "start": "01:05:39", "text": "you throw in the Metallica song, you"}, {"end": "01:05:44", "start": "01:05:40", "text": "know, Full Horseman. Um, and he goes,"}, {"end": "01:05:45", "start": "01:05:42", "text": "\"Absolutely not, man. Take it.\" And"}, {"end": "01:05:47", "start": "01:05:44", "text": "that's how I became pale horse. I was"}, {"end": "01:05:49", "start": "01:05:45", "text": "pale horse ate eater of souls. You had"}, {"end": "01:05:52", "start": "01:05:47", "text": "to have like a thing under you. Oh my"}, {"end": "01:05:55", "start": "01:05:49", "text": "god. Yeah. Um, okay. Yeah. So, you're"}, {"end": "01:05:57", "start": "01:05:52", "text": "back with these people. Now you're cool."}, {"end": "01:05:59", "start": "01:05:55", "text": "You're at the Halloween hate party with"}, {"end": "01:06:01", "start": "01:05:57", "text": "all the kids. All the cool kids. All the"}, {"end": "01:06:03", "start": "01:05:59", "text": "cool kids. Yeah. Uh, with guns. Great."}, {"end": "01:06:08", "start": "01:06:01", "text": "on aderall. Some haven't slept in three"}, {"end": "01:06:12", "start": "01:06:03", "text": "days. Good times. Uh you think you again"}, {"end": "01:06:14", "start": "01:06:08", "text": "again, right? Jack Daniels, you know. Uh"}, {"end": "01:06:16", "start": "01:06:12", "text": "but I uh it was Halloween. We were doing"}, {"end": "01:06:19", "start": "01:06:14", "text": "this this probably be like four days of"}, {"end": "01:06:23", "start": "01:06:16", "text": "training. Um Luke's dad has a 100 acres"}, {"end": "01:06:25", "start": "01:06:19", "text": "out there and uh it was gorgeous. I"}, {"end": "01:06:27", "start": "01:06:23", "text": "mean, gorgeous land. But um"}, {"end": "01:06:30", "start": "01:06:25", "text": "unfortunately, not good things were"}, {"end": "01:06:32", "start": "01:06:27", "text": "happening on it. M but we we do like"}, {"end": "01:06:34", "start": "01:06:30", "text": "handtoh hand combat training, some"}, {"end": "01:06:37", "start": "01:06:32", "text": "firearms training and then this wicked"}, {"end": "01:06:40", "start": "01:06:34", "text": "cold front comes in and I went to charge"}, {"end": "01:06:42", "start": "01:06:37", "text": "my phone and I kind of dozed off for a"}, {"end": "01:06:43", "start": "01:06:40", "text": "bit. I wake up to them pounding on my"}, {"end": "01:06:44", "start": "01:06:42", "text": "window. Pale horse, pale horse, man,"}, {"end": "01:06:46", "start": "01:06:43", "text": "you're not going to believe it. You got"}, {"end": "01:06:48", "start": "01:06:44", "text": "to get up. I'm like, what's going on?"}, {"end": "01:06:51", "start": "01:06:46", "text": "And they had went and stole a goat or a"}, {"end": "01:06:54", "start": "01:06:48", "text": "ram. I still I've talked to owners of"}, {"end": "01:06:56", "start": "01:06:51", "text": "both. It had horns. It's pretty big. I"}, {"end": "01:06:58", "start": "01:06:54", "text": "don't know if it's a ram or a goat. I"}, {"end": "01:06:59", "start": "01:06:56", "text": "still haven't figured it out. I've even"}, {"end": "01:07:01", "start": "01:06:58", "text": "googled it and I'm like I'm still I"}, {"end": "01:07:04", "start": "01:06:59", "text": "don't know. I'm still lost. I don't"}, {"end": "01:07:06", "start": "01:07:01", "text": "know. Uh but they called it a goat and a"}, {"end": "01:07:10", "start": "01:07:04", "text": "ram. They did both. But they stole this"}, {"end": "01:07:13", "start": "01:07:06", "text": "Ram from not too far away. Um almost got"}, {"end": "01:07:15", "start": "01:07:10", "text": "caught doing it. And you got a picture"}, {"end": "01:07:18", "start": "01:07:13", "text": "the the base members. We all wore like"}, {"end": "01:07:19", "start": "01:07:15", "text": "fleckarn camo cuz that's the German"}, {"end": "01:07:22", "start": "01:07:18", "text": "camouflage pattern. Everything. What is"}, {"end": "01:07:24", "start": "01:07:19", "text": "the fleck? What is fleck tarn? It's just"}, {"end": "01:07:27", "start": "01:07:22", "text": "it's just the style of camouflage. So,"}, {"end": "01:07:28", "start": "01:07:24", "text": "not that anybody wearing Fleck Torn is"}, {"end": "01:07:30", "start": "01:07:27", "text": "has got to be a white supremacist, but"}, {"end": "01:07:32", "start": "01:07:28", "text": "that comes from Germany. But it's a"}, {"end": "01:07:36", "start": "01:07:30", "text": "German pattern, right? Drink the master."}, {"end": "01:07:37", "start": "01:07:32", "text": "You figure that out. But, um, they they"}, {"end": "01:07:40", "start": "01:07:36", "text": "woke me up and I go over there and man,"}, {"end": "01:07:41", "start": "01:07:37", "text": "they've got this this ram and it's"}, {"end": "01:07:43", "start": "01:07:40", "text": "crapping all over the bed of the truck"}, {"end": "01:07:46", "start": "01:07:41", "text": "and one of the dudes is like, cuz they"}, {"end": "01:07:48", "start": "01:07:43", "text": "got their balaclavas on, their battle"}, {"end": "01:07:50", "start": "01:07:46", "text": "rattle, which is their plate carriers,"}, {"end": "01:07:53", "start": "01:07:48", "text": "gun belt, all this stuff. and uh all"}, {"end": "01:07:55", "start": "01:07:50", "text": "fleck tarned out and and I remember one"}, {"end": "01:07:56", "start": "01:07:53", "text": "of the members, Dimma, he was like he"}, {"end": "01:07:58", "start": "01:07:55", "text": "goes, \"Man, this thing's crapping all"}, {"end": "01:07:59", "start": "01:07:56", "text": "over.\" He said, worded it different, but"}, {"end": "01:08:01", "start": "01:07:58", "text": "he's like, \"Uh, this thing's crapping"}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:07:59", "text": "all over the place.\" And I said, \"Well,"}, {"end": "01:08:05", "start": "01:08:01", "text": "man, I would be too if a bunch of big"}, {"end": "01:08:08", "start": "01:08:02", "text": "dudes with masking jerked me out of my"}, {"end": "01:08:09", "start": "01:08:05", "text": "backyard, threw me in bed.\" So, the guy"}, {"end": "01:08:12", "start": "01:08:08", "text": "that was going to be leading the blot,"}, {"end": "01:08:15", "start": "01:08:09", "text": "which is supposed to be the uh the the"}, {"end": "01:08:19", "start": "01:08:12", "text": "ceremony for paganism,"}, {"end": "01:08:23", "start": "01:08:15", "text": "um was a guy named Eisen. and he was not"}, {"end": "01:08:26", "start": "01:08:19", "text": "necessarily like a Satru certified. He"}, {"end": "01:08:30", "start": "01:08:23", "text": "was just twisting it. Um, but he was"}, {"end": "01:08:32", "start": "01:08:26", "text": "going to sacrifice the goat Ram and he"}, {"end": "01:08:33", "start": "01:08:30", "text": "named it Gar because his middle name is"}, {"end": "01:08:36", "start": "01:08:32", "text": "Garfield after his grandfather Garfield."}, {"end": "01:08:38", "start": "01:08:33", "text": "And I'm like, we're naming the goat that"}, {"end": "01:08:40", "start": "01:08:36", "text": "we're going to sacrifice? Okay, man. I"}, {"end": "01:08:42", "start": "01:08:38", "text": "And I remember walking up to him and I"}, {"end": "01:08:45", "start": "01:08:40", "text": "was like, \"Hey, is it bad that I feel"}, {"end": "01:08:46", "start": "01:08:42", "text": "sorry for the goat?\" And he's like, you"}, {"end": "01:08:47", "start": "01:08:45", "text": "said that to him? Yeah. said, and he's"}, {"end": "01:08:51", "start": "01:08:46", "text": "like, \"Oh, don't let the goat hear you"}, {"end": "01:08:51", "start": "01:08:47", "text": "say that.\" And I'm like,"}, {"end": "01:08:56", "start": "01:08:52", "text": "\"Oh crap, it's too late. I just had a"}, {"end": "01:08:57", "start": "01:08:54", "text": "conversation with I'm pretty sure he's"}, {"end": "01:09:01", "start": "01:08:56", "text": "thinking other things right now.\" You"}, {"end": "01:09:03", "start": "01:08:57", "text": "know, um and and he said this, you we've"}, {"end": "01:09:05", "start": "01:09:01", "text": "got to show this goat love. We're going"}, {"end": "01:09:07", "start": "01:09:03", "text": "to be sacrificing this goat to Odin."}, {"end": "01:09:11", "start": "01:09:05", "text": "It's going to Valhalla to kick off the"}, {"end": "01:09:13", "start": "01:09:07", "text": "wild hunt. Well, in Norse myth Norse"}, {"end": "01:09:16", "start": "01:09:11", "text": "mythology, the wild hunt is essentially"}, {"end": "01:09:18", "start": "01:09:13", "text": "Odin and some other gods going out and"}, {"end": "01:09:21", "start": "01:09:16", "text": "just destroying their enemies all"}, {"end": "01:09:22", "start": "01:09:18", "text": "through the night and rape pillillage"}, {"end": "01:09:23", "start": "01:09:21", "text": "kind of stuff. I don't I don't think"}, {"end": "01:09:27", "start": "01:09:22", "text": "it's a raven pillillage. I think destroy"}, {"end": "01:09:29", "start": "01:09:23", "text": "them. Yeah. Um but I'm not a guru on it."}, {"end": "01:09:31", "start": "01:09:27", "text": "Uh but what do you know? You don't know"}, {"end": "01:09:33", "start": "01:09:29", "text": "the difference between a goat and a ram."}, {"end": "01:09:38", "start": "01:09:31", "text": "I know, right? It looks the same. I'm"}, {"end": "01:09:40", "start": "01:09:33", "text": "not going to lie. Um, but the uh he in"}, {"end": "01:09:42", "start": "01:09:38", "text": "his twisted version, the wild hunt after"}, {"end": "01:09:46", "start": "01:09:40", "text": "the sacrifice was going to be the"}, {"end": "01:09:48", "start": "01:09:42", "text": "kickoff of the the wild hunt to the base"}, {"end": "01:09:51", "start": "01:09:46", "text": "neo-Nazi accelerationist movement was"}, {"end": "01:09:55", "start": "01:09:48", "text": "going to be uh us starting to cleanse"}, {"end": "01:09:59", "start": "01:09:51", "text": "the world of anti-fascist non-whites."}, {"end": "01:10:03", "start": "01:09:55", "text": "Um, so I I went over to my listening"}, {"end": "01:10:05", "start": "01:09:59", "text": "device, one of my devices. um won't say"}, {"end": "01:10:06", "start": "01:10:03", "text": "what it was where it was for"}, {"end": "01:10:07", "start": "01:10:05", "text": "tradecraftraft, but I mean heck, I could"}, {"end": "01:10:10", "start": "01:10:06", "text": "have picked up a phone and called"}, {"end": "01:10:11", "start": "01:10:07", "text": "somebody, but I'm like I tell the cuz I"}, {"end": "01:10:12", "start": "01:10:10", "text": "know the case team's listening and"}, {"end": "01:10:15", "start": "01:10:11", "text": "they're and they're covering me because"}, {"end": "01:10:18", "start": "01:10:12", "text": "I'm in the I'm on this farm for 4 days,"}, {"end": "01:10:20", "start": "01:10:15", "text": "so I'm covered for 4 days."}, {"end": "01:10:22", "start": "01:10:18", "text": "And I I leaned in and I'm like, \"Hey"}, {"end": "01:10:24", "start": "01:10:20", "text": "man, uh I don't know if you guys heard"}, {"end": "01:10:26", "start": "01:10:22", "text": "basically, but I think we're getting"}, {"end": "01:10:28", "start": "01:10:24", "text": "ready to go sacrifice this animal.\" And"}, {"end": "01:10:30", "start": "01:10:26", "text": "I'm running it through my mind. And I'm"}, {"end": "01:10:31", "start": "01:10:28", "text": "thinking as an undercover coordinator, a"}, {"end": "01:10:34", "start": "01:10:30", "text": "senior investigator, I'm thinking all"}, {"end": "01:10:38", "start": "01:10:31", "text": "the policies and I'm like laws. I'm"}, {"end": "01:10:40", "start": "01:10:34", "text": "like, I I can't come up with a reason in"}, {"end": "01:10:42", "start": "01:10:38", "text": "my head to not go and and blow this"}, {"end": "01:10:43", "start": "01:10:40", "text": "whole thing. I said, but if you guys"}, {"end": "01:10:46", "start": "01:10:42", "text": "don't want me to do this and you want me"}, {"end": "01:10:49", "start": "01:10:43", "text": "to shut it down or walk away, give me a"}, {"end": "01:10:51", "start": "01:10:46", "text": "sign. And I sat there and I waited and I"}, {"end": "01:10:54", "start": "01:10:49", "text": "waited and I waited and I'm like this"}, {"end": "01:10:57", "start": "01:10:51", "text": "leaning over the device and I'm"}, {"end": "01:10:58", "start": "01:10:54", "text": "like, \"Well, I guess I'm going down to"}, {"end": "01:11:01", "start": "01:10:57", "text": "the woods for this sacrifice then, you"}, {"end": "01:11:04", "start": "01:10:58", "text": "know, however I worded it.\" And we went"}, {"end": "01:11:07", "start": "01:11:01", "text": "down in the woods and uh Eisen said some"}, {"end": "01:11:10", "start": "01:11:04", "text": "things talking about the wild hunt and"}, {"end": "01:11:13", "start": "01:11:07", "text": "what the sacrifice was going to be and"}, {"end": "01:11:15", "start": "01:11:10", "text": "he had something similar to a machete"}, {"end": "01:11:16", "start": "01:11:13", "text": "and he went to come down on the back of"}, {"end": "01:11:19", "start": "01:11:15", "text": "his neck. He was he was like he's a"}, {"end": "01:11:21", "start": "01:11:16", "text": "pretty stocky kid. He's he's like doing"}, {"end": "01:11:22", "start": "01:11:19", "text": "his practice swings and fun. Somebody's"}, {"end": "01:11:26", "start": "01:11:21", "text": "like just do it. And we're all in a"}, {"end": "01:11:28", "start": "01:11:22", "text": "circle on our knees around the goat. Um"}, {"end": "01:11:30", "start": "01:11:26", "text": "and ram whatever. And I'm at the back of"}, {"end": "01:11:32", "start": "01:11:28", "text": "it. I still don't know how I got at the"}, {"end": "01:11:34", "start": "01:11:30", "text": "back of it. Wasn't the wisest thing, but"}, {"end": "01:11:36", "start": "01:11:32", "text": "that's where I'm at. Like musical"}, {"end": "01:11:39", "start": "01:11:34", "text": "chairs. That's the spot I got, you know."}, {"end": "01:11:41", "start": "01:11:36", "text": "Um and he comes down fullfledg with the"}, {"end": "01:11:43", "start": "01:11:39", "text": "blade. And yeah, I don't even think it"}, {"end": "01:11:46", "start": "01:11:41", "text": "broke a hair. I don't know if the blade"}, {"end": "01:11:49", "start": "01:11:43", "text": "was dull or if the backstrap of the ram"}, {"end": "01:11:51", "start": "01:11:46", "text": "was so thick, but it just went like that"}, {"end": "01:11:53", "start": "01:11:49", "text": "and I went, \"Oh man, somebody's like,"}, {"end": "01:11:54", "start": "01:11:51", "text": "\"Hit it again. Do it again.\" And"}, {"end": "01:11:55", "start": "01:11:53", "text": "somebody's like, \"It's probably going to"}, {"end": "01:11:57", "start": "01:11:54", "text": "take more than one swing.\" I guess he"}, {"end": "01:12:00", "start": "01:11:55", "text": "was picturing like a guillotine, like"}, {"end": "01:12:01", "start": "01:11:57", "text": "the head was going to come off. Um, and"}, {"end": "01:12:03", "start": "01:12:00", "text": "then somebody says, \"Does anybody have a"}, {"end": "01:12:06", "start": "01:12:01", "text": "gun?\" We weren't supposed to bring any"}, {"end": "01:12:08", "start": "01:12:03", "text": "weapons down there. The one guy who was"}, {"end": "01:12:10", "start": "01:12:06", "text": "the least qualified to be handling a"}, {"end": "01:12:12", "start": "01:12:08", "text": "live firearm who hadn't slept in"}, {"end": "01:12:14", "start": "01:12:10", "text": "probably two or three days was the guy"}, {"end": "01:12:17", "start": "01:12:12", "text": "who had the gun. And it even shocked"}, {"end": "01:12:18", "start": "01:12:14", "text": "Luke TMP cuz me and Luke were like,"}, {"end": "01:12:20", "start": "01:12:17", "text": "\"What?\" And he like, \"What are you"}, {"end": "01:12:23", "start": "01:12:18", "text": "doing?\" And Luke took the gun from him,"}, {"end": "01:12:25", "start": "01:12:20", "text": "hands it, and it gets past. Well, Eisen"}, {"end": "01:12:29", "start": "01:12:23", "text": "chambers"}, {"end": "01:12:31", "start": "01:12:25", "text": "around, points towards the goat ram, the"}, {"end": "01:12:33", "start": "01:12:29", "text": "head, and then looks away. We're all in"}, {"end": "01:12:35", "start": "01:12:31", "text": "a circle. So, the instructor in me comes"}, {"end": "01:12:37", "start": "01:12:33", "text": "I'm like, \"Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa."}, {"end": "01:12:39", "start": "01:12:35", "text": "What are you doing?\" And he's like,"}, {"end": "01:12:42", "start": "01:12:37", "text": "\"What?\" And I go, \"Man, look at what"}, {"end": "01:12:45", "start": "01:12:39", "text": "you're shooting. We're all in a"}, {"end": "01:12:50", "start": "01:12:42", "text": "circle, Jack Wagon.\" You know, I mean,"}, {"end": "01:12:53", "start": "01:12:45", "text": "you know, for Odin and everything, you"}, {"end": "01:12:54", "start": "01:12:50", "text": "know? I mean, we're supposed to look cuz"}, {"end": "01:12:57", "start": "01:12:53", "text": "he told me, \"We need to show this goat"}, {"end": "01:12:59", "start": "01:12:54", "text": "love. This this goat is being blessed."}, {"end": "01:13:01", "start": "01:12:57", "text": "It needs to.\" So, he comes, he finally"}, {"end": "01:13:03", "start": "01:12:59", "text": "looks and puts it in. Pow! And you hear"}, {"end": "01:13:05", "start": "01:13:01", "text": "hear on the recording. You hear it fall"}, {"end": "01:13:07", "start": "01:13:03", "text": "on the ground. It kicks for minutes."}, {"end": "01:13:09", "start": "01:13:05", "text": "It's still shivering. I'm like, I don't"}, {"end": "01:13:11", "start": "01:13:07", "text": "know if it's dead or not. I'm like, man,"}, {"end": "01:13:13", "start": "01:13:09", "text": "put another bullet in it. And he's like,"}, {"end": "01:13:15", "start": "01:13:11", "text": "uh, he goes, I'm pretty sure it's dead."}, {"end": "01:13:18", "start": "01:13:13", "text": "And I go, you know, for the goat. It"}, {"end": "01:13:20", "start": "01:13:15", "text": "needs to be love. Yeah, love. Going to"}, {"end": "01:13:23", "start": "01:13:18", "text": "Odin. It's in Valhalla"}, {"end": "01:13:25", "start": "01:13:20", "text": "kind of. It's still wiggling. Finish it."}, {"end": "01:13:27", "start": "01:13:23", "text": "And then he finished it. And then they,"}, {"end": "01:13:28", "start": "01:13:25", "text": "you think you're done and you're not."}, {"end": "01:13:32", "start": "01:13:27", "text": "They go and slice the throat of the"}, {"end": "01:13:35", "start": "01:13:28", "text": "goat, fill up a big cup with this blood,"}, {"end": "01:13:36", "start": "01:13:32", "text": "and I'm holding a flashlight for Eisen."}, {"end": "01:13:37", "start": "01:13:35", "text": "Everybody's still on their knees, and"}, {"end": "01:13:39", "start": "01:13:36", "text": "we're going cuz we're in the middle of"}, {"end": "01:13:41", "start": "01:13:37", "text": "the woods, it's pitch black. Um, except"}, {"end": "01:13:43", "start": "01:13:39", "text": "for the torches, and I'm shining the"}, {"end": "01:13:45", "start": "01:13:41", "text": "light, and he brought acid. So, now he's"}, {"end": "01:13:48", "start": "01:13:43", "text": "tearing off"}, {"end": "01:13:51", "start": "01:13:45", "text": "acid hits off the sheet and giving it to"}, {"end": "01:13:55", "start": "01:13:48", "text": "members. Almost every member did it. Um,"}, {"end": "01:13:56", "start": "01:13:51", "text": "a couple of us didn't. Um but uh it"}, {"end": "01:13:58", "start": "01:13:55", "text": "gives them that and they chase it with"}, {"end": "01:14:00", "start": "01:13:56", "text": "the blood as part of the sacrifice. So"}, {"end": "01:14:03", "start": "01:13:58", "text": "by the time the cup gets to me, the"}, {"end": "01:14:06", "start": "01:14:00", "text": "blood is all coagulating. It's chunky."}, {"end": "01:14:08", "start": "01:14:03", "text": "It's like clotted. It's like like old"}, {"end": "01:14:10", "start": "01:14:06", "text": "thick egg yolky looking. And I'm looking"}, {"end": "01:14:12", "start": "01:14:08", "text": "going, \"Man, I really don't want to"}, {"end": "01:14:13", "start": "01:14:10", "text": "drink this.\" And I think it was Eisen"}, {"end": "01:14:15", "start": "01:14:12", "text": "that gave me an out. He said, \"You can"}, {"end": "01:14:16", "start": "01:14:13", "text": "just dip your finger and taste it. It"}, {"end": "01:14:18", "start": "01:14:15", "text": "was getting I was like, \"This thing is"}, {"end": "01:14:20", "start": "01:14:16", "text": "getting thick.\" And I dipped my whole"}, {"end": "01:14:22", "start": "01:14:18", "text": "finger down to blood. Suck in my mouth."}, {"end": "01:14:26", "start": "01:14:20", "text": "Sucked all sucked all the blood off. And"}, {"end": "01:14:28", "start": "01:14:22", "text": "then they cut the head of it off. Uh"}, {"end": "01:14:31", "start": "01:14:26", "text": "threw its inards in the creek. Some"}, {"end": "01:14:33", "start": "01:14:28", "text": "members tried to cook it. Uh it's the g"}, {"end": "01:14:35", "start": "01:14:31", "text": "it's not made for eating. Not made for"}, {"end": "01:14:38", "start": "01:14:33", "text": "eating, Glenn. That was the gamiest meat"}, {"end": "01:14:40", "start": "01:14:35", "text": "I've ever tasted in my entire life."}, {"end": "01:14:42", "start": "01:14:38", "text": "Um, and then we carried the head around"}, {"end": "01:14:46", "start": "01:14:40", "text": "for like three more days and there there"}, {"end": "01:14:48", "start": "01:14:42", "text": "was photos of us blasted all over BBC"}, {"end": "01:14:50", "start": "01:14:46", "text": "and cuz it turns out there was another"}, {"end": "01:14:53", "start": "01:14:48", "text": "uh member of the base that was not law"}, {"end": "01:14:55", "start": "01:14:50", "text": "enforcement but was working for like"}, {"end": "01:14:58", "start": "01:14:53", "text": "either Southern Poverty Law Center or"}, {"end": "01:14:59", "start": "01:14:55", "text": "something like that and uh he had gotten"}, {"end": "01:15:01", "start": "01:14:58", "text": "the pictures and and we didn't know"}, {"end": "01:15:03", "start": "01:14:59", "text": "where it was coming from but we"}, {"end": "01:15:04", "start": "01:15:01", "text": "eventually found out but that's why it"}, {"end": "01:15:06", "start": "01:15:03", "text": "was next thing you know it's all over"}, {"end": "01:15:08", "start": "01:15:04", "text": "the news and here we are and there I am"}, {"end": "01:15:10", "start": "01:15:06", "text": "in the picture with You can't tell cuz"}, {"end": "01:15:12", "start": "01:15:08", "text": "we're uh all covered up because nobody"}, {"end": "01:15:14", "start": "01:15:10", "text": "wants to get doxed. That was the big"}, {"end": "01:15:16", "start": "01:15:12", "text": "thing with the with them is if you get"}, {"end": "01:15:18", "start": "01:15:14", "text": "doxed then you lose. The the far left"}, {"end": "01:15:21", "start": "01:15:16", "text": "was really good about showing up and"}, {"end": "01:15:22", "start": "01:15:18", "text": "protesting at your house, your kids"}, {"end": "01:15:24", "start": "01:15:21", "text": "school, your and then you lose"}, {"end": "01:15:27", "start": "01:15:22", "text": "everything because everybody now knows"}, {"end": "01:15:30", "start": "01:15:24", "text": "you're a white supremacist."}, {"end": "01:15:31", "start": "01:15:27", "text": "Did you ever did you struggle because"}, {"end": "01:15:33", "start": "01:15:30", "text": "you"}, {"end": "01:15:35", "start": "01:15:31", "text": "are your faith is so important. Did you"}, {"end": "01:15:38", "start": "01:15:33", "text": "ever struggle with I'm not kneeling at"}, {"end": "01:15:39", "start": "01:15:35", "text": "this goat and this sacrifice and even"}, {"end": "01:15:42", "start": "01:15:38", "text": "letting this blood? How how did you deal"}, {"end": "01:15:46", "start": "01:15:39", "text": "with that? I I would say yes and no"}, {"end": "01:15:48", "start": "01:15:42", "text": "because I know that my belief I'm right"}, {"end": "01:15:50", "start": "01:15:46", "text": "with my Lord and I've talked to even"}, {"end": "01:15:52", "start": "01:15:48", "text": "pastors about it. You know, I'm like,"}, {"end": "01:15:54", "start": "01:15:50", "text": "\"Hey, I'm doing this, you know, cuz like"}, {"end": "01:15:57", "start": "01:15:52", "text": "my my tattoos on this whole arm, it's"}, {"end": "01:15:59", "start": "01:15:54", "text": "Viking warrior stuff, but for me it's"}, {"end": "01:16:01", "start": "01:15:57", "text": "the armor of God. I've got the shield."}, {"end": "01:16:03", "start": "01:15:59", "text": "I've got the boots. I've got the belt."}, {"end": "01:16:04", "start": "01:16:01", "text": "I've got the helmet. I've got it all in"}, {"end": "01:16:06", "start": "01:16:03", "text": "there and that's what it means to me."}, {"end": "01:16:10", "start": "01:16:04", "text": "And once I retired, I put the Ephesians"}, {"end": "01:16:14", "start": "01:16:06", "text": "uh verse on there. But uh I'm in work"}, {"end": "01:16:14", "start": "01:16:10", "text": "mode and I and and I I know"}, {"end": "01:16:19", "start": "01:16:14", "text": "that somebody had to kick Satan out of"}, {"end": "01:16:23", "start": "01:16:17", "text": "heaven. You know what I mean? somebody."}, {"end": "01:16:26", "start": "01:16:19", "text": "So, I the L there was there was times uh"}, {"end": "01:16:28", "start": "01:16:23", "text": "where I've crashed mentally, physically,"}, {"end": "01:16:32", "start": "01:16:26", "text": "and I had to really had to have a come"}, {"end": "01:16:33", "start": "01:16:28", "text": "to Jesus meeting and and pray and figure"}, {"end": "01:16:36", "start": "01:16:32", "text": "out, am I ever going to be able to get"}, {"end": "01:16:38", "start": "01:16:33", "text": "back to where I was at? What hit me"}, {"end": "01:16:40", "start": "01:16:36", "text": "after all these days of praying is that"}, {"end": "01:16:42", "start": "01:16:38", "text": "it was what I heard was the Lord saying"}, {"end": "01:16:44", "start": "01:16:40", "text": "back, \"Son, you would have never been"}, {"end": "01:16:46", "start": "01:16:42", "text": "able to do what you did if it wasn't me"}, {"end": "01:16:49", "start": "01:16:44", "text": "for blessing you in the first place.\""}, {"end": "01:16:52", "start": "01:16:46", "text": "So, I know that I've been blessed with"}, {"end": "01:16:55", "start": "01:16:49", "text": "that and and I'm I'm doing that. Uh I'm"}, {"end": "01:16:57", "start": "01:16:52", "text": "not I'm not really worshiping. Right."}, {"end": "01:16:59", "start": "01:16:55", "text": "Right. Right. Cuz there's a part in the"}, {"end": "01:17:01", "start": "01:16:57", "text": "there's that same weekend there's a part"}, {"end": "01:17:04", "start": "01:16:59", "text": "in the book I go into detail about where"}, {"end": "01:17:07", "start": "01:17:01", "text": "we do a bonfire two days after. Uh cuz"}, {"end": "01:17:09", "start": "01:17:04", "text": "the second day was completely blown"}, {"end": "01:17:10", "start": "01:17:07", "text": "because almost everybody did acid. So"}, {"end": "01:17:15", "start": "01:17:09", "text": "there was no training. Everybody was"}, {"end": "01:17:18", "start": "01:17:10", "text": "still high. But um we had a bonfire"}, {"end": "01:17:20", "start": "01:17:15", "text": "uh burning Bibles, burning American"}, {"end": "01:17:23", "start": "01:17:18", "text": "flags, death to"}, {"end": "01:17:25", "start": "01:17:20", "text": "America, f your Jewish God. All"}, {"end": "01:17:27", "start": "01:17:23", "text": "everything you can picture being yelled"}, {"end": "01:17:31", "start": "01:17:25", "text": "was being yelled there. How many people?"}, {"end": "01:17:32", "start": "01:17:27", "text": "Like 13 maybe. Okay. Um and uh must have"}, {"end": "01:17:35", "start": "01:17:31", "text": "been"}, {"end": "01:17:37", "start": "01:17:32", "text": "so you just like you just must at some"}, {"end": "01:17:40", "start": "01:17:35", "text": "point just go this is pathe your people"}, {"end": "01:17:43", "start": "01:17:37", "text": "are pathetic. You have 13 people in the"}, {"end": "01:17:45", "start": "01:17:40", "text": "woods. Yeah. You're pathetic. Well, it's"}, {"end": "01:17:49", "start": "01:17:43", "text": "But they found a bond. They a lot of"}, {"end": "01:17:51", "start": "01:17:45", "text": "those guys have been bullied. Um uh are"}, {"end": "01:17:55", "start": "01:17:49", "text": "outcasts. Some of them are on the"}, {"end": "01:17:59", "start": "01:17:51", "text": "spectrum a little bit. Uh autism"}, {"end": "01:18:01", "start": "01:17:55", "text": "spectrum. Um you've got uh can't get a"}, {"end": "01:18:03", "start": "01:17:59", "text": "partner and they sit in their bedroom"}, {"end": "01:18:05", "start": "01:18:01", "text": "all night on this phone and dive down"}, {"end": "01:18:07", "start": "01:18:03", "text": "rabbit holes of hate and find"}, {"end": "01:18:11", "start": "01:18:05", "text": "like-minded people who have been treated"}, {"end": "01:18:14", "start": "01:18:07", "text": "the same way. So they've"}, {"end": "01:18:16", "start": "01:18:11", "text": "a lot. I mean, they some of them can be"}, {"end": "01:18:19", "start": "01:18:14", "text": "fixed. They've just been led down the"}, {"end": "01:18:21", "start": "01:18:16", "text": "wrong path. Um, but yeah, at that"}, {"end": "01:18:24", "start": "01:18:19", "text": "moment, a little crazy. Little crazy,"}, {"end": "01:18:25", "start": "01:18:21", "text": "but they're burning the Bibles. And, uh,"}, {"end": "01:18:27", "start": "01:18:24", "text": "we watched I watched the flames go up."}, {"end": "01:18:29", "start": "01:18:25", "text": "It's even on the video, the propaganda"}, {"end": "01:18:32", "start": "01:18:27", "text": "video, you see them open face, put it"}, {"end": "01:18:34", "start": "01:18:29", "text": "down in the fire, and the fire goes up,"}, {"end": "01:18:37", "start": "01:18:32", "text": "it comes back down. Um, one of the"}, {"end": "01:18:39", "start": "01:18:34", "text": "members is stoking the coals and you"}, {"end": "01:18:41", "start": "01:18:37", "text": "know now it's he's trying to get the"}, {"end": "01:18:43", "start": "01:18:39", "text": "fire going again and a Bible flips over,"}, {"end": "01:18:46", "start": "01:18:41", "text": "opens up, not a page burn on it. Singed"}, {"end": "01:18:48", "start": "01:18:43", "text": "on the edge and on the B but pages he"}, {"end": "01:18:50", "start": "01:18:46", "text": "had to start tearing them out page by"}, {"end": "01:18:51", "start": "01:18:48", "text": "page get the fire going again and I'm"}, {"end": "01:18:53", "start": "01:18:50", "text": "thinking that was pretty odd you know"}, {"end": "01:18:55", "start": "01:18:51", "text": "but then people talk science they're"}, {"end": "01:18:56", "start": "01:18:53", "text": "like well some of the Bibles the pages"}, {"end": "01:18:58", "start": "01:18:55", "text": "made out of clay it doesn't burn. I'm"}, {"end": "01:19:00", "start": "01:18:56", "text": "like whatever. I'm like I watched it"}, {"end": "01:19:02", "start": "01:18:58", "text": "burn an American flag and you know"}, {"end": "01:19:05", "start": "01:19:00", "text": "whatever. Uh,"}, {"end": "01:19:08", "start": "01:19:02", "text": "so flames go up, it's dying back down."}, {"end": "01:19:11", "start": "01:19:05", "text": "Guy starts stoking the coals again."}, {"end": "01:19:13", "start": "01:19:08", "text": "Second Bible flips open unburnt. I wish"}, {"end": "01:19:16", "start": "01:19:11", "text": "I could have seen what what book it was."}, {"end": "01:19:18", "start": "01:19:13", "text": "That would have been cool. But one of"}, {"end": "01:19:20", "start": "01:19:16", "text": "the members said, \"Man, these effing"}, {"end": "01:19:24", "start": "01:19:18", "text": "Bibles just won't"}, {"end": "01:19:28", "start": "01:19:20", "text": "burn.\" And I did my little I didn't do"}, {"end": "01:19:30", "start": "01:19:24", "text": "it in my head. I did it. I did a little"}, {"end": "01:19:32", "start": "01:19:28", "text": "little Sammy social dance. I look up, I"}, {"end": "01:19:34", "start": "01:19:30", "text": "go, that's pretty cool. I get it. You"}, {"end": "01:19:37", "start": "01:19:32", "text": "know, uh, but yeah, it's tough. I got to"}, {"end": "01:19:41", "start": "01:19:34", "text": "that weekend. I went I got home, I felt"}, {"end": "01:19:42", "start": "01:19:37", "text": "dirty. Um, I reached out to my pastor. I"}, {"end": "01:19:44", "start": "01:19:41", "text": "said, \"Man, I may need you to pray over"}, {"end": "01:19:46", "start": "01:19:42", "text": "me a little bit, you know, and and just"}, {"end": "01:19:48", "start": "01:19:44", "text": "get my head back in the game.\" How'd"}, {"end": "01:19:50", "start": "01:19:46", "text": "your How'd your wife deal with all the"}, {"end": "01:19:53", "start": "01:19:48", "text": "time that you were gone, everything that"}, {"end": "01:19:54", "start": "01:19:50", "text": "you would go through, come back home? If"}, {"end": "01:19:56", "start": "01:19:53", "text": "you talk to her, she says she just gave"}, {"end": "01:19:58", "start": "01:19:54", "text": "it up to God. Because back in the"}, {"end": "01:20:02", "start": "01:19:56", "text": "outlaws case, that would have been like"}, {"end": "01:20:05", "start": "01:19:58", "text": "2005 to 2007 or eight"}, {"end": "01:20:07", "start": "01:20:02", "text": "and I didn't know."}, {"end": "01:20:10", "start": "01:20:05", "text": "Um that's why I said I thought I was"}, {"end": "01:20:14", "start": "01:20:07", "text": "doing pretty good and I wasn't. Uh but"}, {"end": "01:20:15", "start": "01:20:10", "text": "she would be so nervous uh and worried"}, {"end": "01:20:17", "start": "01:20:14", "text": "that she would just move furniture all"}, {"end": "01:20:19", "start": "01:20:15", "text": "the time. I'd come home, the house would"}, {"end": "01:20:20", "start": "01:20:17", "text": "be completely ar rearranged and she"}, {"end": "01:20:24", "start": "01:20:19", "text": "finally said, \"Look, I got to give it up"}, {"end": "01:20:25", "start": "01:20:20", "text": "to God u because she can't control it.\""}, {"end": "01:20:28", "start": "01:20:24", "text": "And I and I'm like, if it's my time to"}, {"end": "01:20:30", "start": "01:20:25", "text": "go, it's my time to go, you know. Uh and"}, {"end": "01:20:31", "start": "01:20:28", "text": "I'm not going in lax and I've got a"}, {"end": "01:20:34", "start": "01:20:30", "text": "skill set and I think I'm good at, you"}, {"end": "01:20:37", "start": "01:20:31", "text": "know, what I do. Um and I think I'm"}, {"end": "01:20:39", "start": "01:20:34", "text": "doing it for the right reasons. Uh but"}, {"end": "01:20:42", "start": "01:20:37", "text": "even even towards the end of my career,"}, {"end": "01:20:45", "start": "01:20:39", "text": "like the base case, uh we were sitting"}, {"end": "01:20:47", "start": "01:20:42", "text": "out and just talking and she's like, she"}, {"end": "01:20:49", "start": "01:20:45", "text": "said something about covering me and I I"}, {"end": "01:20:51", "start": "01:20:47", "text": "kind of giggled because I'm like, man,"}, {"end": "01:20:53", "start": "01:20:49", "text": "we I was a narc when you met me, you I"}, {"end": "01:20:56", "start": "01:20:51", "text": "mean, I was I mean, how we've been doing"}, {"end": "01:20:58", "start": "01:20:53", "text": "this for 20 something years. Um, and she"}, {"end": "01:21:00", "start": "01:20:56", "text": "jerked a knot in my tail. She said,"}, {"end": "01:21:02", "start": "01:20:58", "text": "\"Listen, it's I'm your wife and it's my"}, {"end": "01:21:04", "start": "01:21:00", "text": "job to cover you. And when you're out"}, {"end": "01:21:06", "start": "01:21:02", "text": "there on these undercovers, I'm covering"}, {"end": "01:21:08", "start": "01:21:04", "text": "you in prayer.\" And I, man, I was like,"}, {"end": "01:21:12", "start": "01:21:06", "text": "\"I am sorry. I didn't mean to giggle."}, {"end": "01:21:15", "start": "01:21:08", "text": "Thank you.\" And uh, and that means a"}, {"end": "01:21:17", "start": "01:21:12", "text": "lot. M. So yeah, it's not and and she's"}, {"end": "01:21:20", "start": "01:21:15", "text": "not a my my home isn't like a military"}, {"end": "01:21:22", "start": "01:21:17", "text": "home, you know, where you can disappear"}, {"end": "01:21:25", "start": "01:21:20", "text": "for 6 months and the family still stays"}, {"end": "01:21:26", "start": "01:21:22", "text": "together. My mom would probably implode."}, {"end": "01:21:28", "start": "01:21:25", "text": "I don't know. Uh I'm not even sure if"}, {"end": "01:21:31", "start": "01:21:26", "text": "the house would be there when I came"}, {"end": "01:21:34", "start": "01:21:28", "text": "back, you know. Yeah, I know. Um the uh"}, {"end": "01:21:38", "start": "01:21:31", "text": "the operation poetic justice and murder"}, {"end": "01:21:38", "start": "01:21:34", "text": "for for hire."}, {"end": "01:21:45", "start": "01:21:39", "text": "Um, how often were you an assassin for"}, {"end": "01:21:49", "start": "01:21:41", "text": "hire or played that role? Yeah. Uh, a"}, {"end": "01:21:53", "start": "01:21:45", "text": "bunch actually. Um, I mean, I mentioned"}, {"end": "01:21:55", "start": "01:21:49", "text": "the one the the pedophile who"}, {"end": "01:21:57", "start": "01:21:53", "text": "uh he knew that he wasn't going to do"}, {"end": "01:21:58", "start": "01:21:55", "text": "good in prison and he had gotten locked"}, {"end": "01:22:02", "start": "01:21:57", "text": "up for"}, {"end": "01:22:04", "start": "01:21:58", "text": "uh a purported molestation, but while he"}, {"end": "01:22:08", "start": "01:22:02", "text": "was in San Antonio, the jail, Bear"}, {"end": "01:22:11", "start": "01:22:04", "text": "County, um he solicited somebody"}, {"end": "01:22:13", "start": "01:22:08", "text": "to help him find a hitman to kill this"}, {"end": "01:22:15", "start": "01:22:11", "text": "kid. because in his mind if the kid was"}, {"end": "01:22:17", "start": "01:22:13", "text": "dead, no trial, which"}, {"end": "01:22:19", "start": "01:22:15", "text": "is on the scale of some of the murder"}, {"end": "01:22:23", "start": "01:22:17", "text": "for hours I've that's not a that's not a"}, {"end": "01:22:24", "start": "01:22:19", "text": "bad plan. Um but uh yeah, I I went in"}, {"end": "01:22:27", "start": "01:22:23", "text": "and I met him. It was just two quick"}, {"end": "01:22:29", "start": "01:22:24", "text": "meets, but I had to go sit in the sit in"}, {"end": "01:22:31", "start": "01:22:27", "text": "the phone room with all the stainless"}, {"end": "01:22:33", "start": "01:22:29", "text": "steel with baby mamas and everybody"}, {"end": "01:22:36", "start": "01:22:31", "text": "yelling and screaming and I'm trying to"}, {"end": "01:22:38", "start": "01:22:33", "text": "get a recording of this guy uh saying he"}, {"end": "01:22:39", "start": "01:22:36", "text": "wants to hire me to kill the kid. Um,"}, {"end": "01:22:41", "start": "01:22:38", "text": "and that was probably one of the"}, {"end": "01:22:43", "start": "01:22:39", "text": "quickest ones I've done, but one of the"}, {"end": "01:22:46", "start": "01:22:41", "text": "most satisfying cases. Oh, I bet it was."}, {"end": "01:22:47", "start": "01:22:43", "text": "I bet it was. Um, can we just spend I"}, {"end": "01:22:52", "start": "01:22:46", "text": "just only have a couple minutes left,"}, {"end": "01:22:53", "start": "01:22:47", "text": "but I I have to ask you, you the guy you"}, {"end": "01:22:58", "start": "01:22:52", "text": "that trained"}, {"end": "01:23:00", "start": "01:22:53", "text": "you is kind of the original badass uh"}, {"end": "01:23:03", "start": "01:22:58", "text": "Bras, right? Yeah. Jeff Stone. Johnny"}, {"end": "01:23:07", "start": "01:23:00", "text": "Bras. Yeah. Jeff Stone is still a"}, {"end": "01:23:11", "start": "01:23:03", "text": "friend. He they graciously uh uh did a"}, {"end": "01:23:14", "start": "01:23:07", "text": "blurb on the book. Um yeah, I mean so in"}, {"end": "01:23:16", "start": "01:23:11", "text": "1972, the FBI never worked undercover"}, {"end": "01:23:18", "start": "01:23:14", "text": "under Hoover and pretty much when Hoover"}, {"end": "01:23:21", "start": "01:23:16", "text": "went out the door in"}, {"end": "01:23:22", "start": "01:23:18", "text": "1972, they picked 25 undercovers."}, {"end": "01:23:25", "start": "01:23:21", "text": "There's a black and white picture of the"}, {"end": "01:23:28", "start": "01:23:22", "text": "first ever undercovers in the FBI and"}, {"end": "01:23:31", "start": "01:23:25", "text": "they were like from Philly, New York."}, {"end": "01:23:32", "start": "01:23:28", "text": "Really? Vanc Hoover didn't do it. No, he"}, {"end": "01:23:34", "start": "01:23:31", "text": "didn't. He didn't, for whatever reason,"}, {"end": "01:23:37", "start": "01:23:32", "text": "he didn't believe in undercover. You"}, {"end": "01:23:38", "start": "01:23:34", "text": "just believed in wire t. That's weird."}, {"end": "01:23:40", "start": "01:23:37", "text": "But, uh, so back then there was no"}, {"end": "01:23:42", "start": "01:23:38", "text": "attorney general guidelines. It's like,"}, {"end": "01:23:43", "start": "01:23:40", "text": "here's this recorder about this big and"}, {"end": "01:23:45", "start": "01:23:42", "text": "here's a lot of money. Let's go make a"}, {"end": "01:23:48", "start": "01:23:43", "text": "case. So, yeah, Joe did six years in in"}, {"end": "01:23:50", "start": "01:23:45", "text": "the mafia. Um, and that safeguard"}, {"end": "01:23:52", "start": "01:23:48", "text": "process that we all do now or I'm"}, {"end": "01:23:54", "start": "01:23:50", "text": "retired, but if you're an active"}, {"end": "01:23:56", "start": "01:23:52", "text": "undercover, uh, you have to be"}, {"end": "01:23:59", "start": "01:23:54", "text": "psychologically assessed. Um, it's"}, {"end": "01:24:03", "start": "01:23:56", "text": "mandatory. And that program was built by"}, {"end": "01:24:06", "start": "01:23:59", "text": "Joe. and uh another FBI agent who was a"}, {"end": "01:24:08", "start": "01:24:03", "text": "who was previously a psychologist. And"}, {"end": "01:24:10", "start": "01:24:06", "text": "that's that's uh to take care of make"}, {"end": "01:24:13", "start": "01:24:08", "text": "sure you're mentally stable, your family"}, {"end": "01:24:15", "start": "01:24:10", "text": "is very important. Um because we're type"}, {"end": "01:24:17", "start": "01:24:13", "text": "A personalities. We'll go out there and"}, {"end": "01:24:20", "start": "01:24:15", "text": "keep saying yes and keep saying yes. And"}, {"end": "01:24:22", "start": "01:24:17", "text": "I mean I covered in the book. There's at"}, {"end": "01:24:25", "start": "01:24:20", "text": "least twice might have just been two"}, {"end": "01:24:27", "start": "01:24:22", "text": "times I was put on timeout. They're like"}, {"end": "01:24:28", "start": "01:24:25", "text": "they're like you are not recommended."}, {"end": "01:24:32", "start": "01:24:27", "text": "You are not going back on that"}, {"end": "01:24:34", "start": "01:24:28", "text": "undercover. And I'm like, okay. You know"}, {"end": "01:24:36", "start": "01:24:32", "text": "what's the closest"}, {"end": "01:24:38", "start": "01:24:34", "text": "you've come"}, {"end": "01:24:41", "start": "01:24:36", "text": "to"}, {"end": "01:24:45", "start": "01:24:38", "text": "either breaking the cover or blowing it?"}, {"end": "01:24:46", "start": "01:24:41", "text": "Where is there a time when you've gone,"}, {"end": "01:24:50", "start": "01:24:45", "text": "oh"}, {"end": "01:24:52", "start": "01:24:46", "text": "crap. Well, there's a bunch of there's a"}, {"end": "01:24:56", "start": "01:24:50", "text": "bunch of Oh craps."}, {"end": "01:24:57", "start": "01:24:52", "text": "Um, but as far as blowing my cover, just"}, {"end": "01:24:58", "start": "01:24:56", "text": "getting caught. Yeah, just getting"}, {"end": "01:25:00", "start": "01:24:57", "text": "caught. The biggest one's probably the"}, {"end": "01:25:01", "start": "01:24:58", "text": "outlaw's case. That's where they took me"}, {"end": "01:25:05", "start": "01:25:00", "text": "down the after a year and a half"}, {"end": "01:25:07", "start": "01:25:01", "text": "undercover. Um they"}, {"end": "01:25:10", "start": "01:25:05", "text": "uh year and a half undercover doing all"}, {"end": "01:25:14", "start": "01:25:07", "text": "those insurance things, carjackings,"}, {"end": "01:25:16", "start": "01:25:10", "text": "whatever. And uh some dope stuff. Uh we"}, {"end": "01:25:19", "start": "01:25:14", "text": "up the Annie um to do a a big shipment"}, {"end": "01:25:20", "start": "01:25:16", "text": "of drugs so they could be introduced cuz"}, {"end": "01:25:22", "start": "01:25:19", "text": "they've been asking. So they could be"}, {"end": "01:25:24", "start": "01:25:20", "text": "introduced to some cartel contacts cuz"}, {"end": "01:25:26", "start": "01:25:22", "text": "what does a drug dealer want? They want"}, {"end": "01:25:27", "start": "01:25:24", "text": "the highest purity product they can get"}, {"end": "01:25:30", "start": "01:25:26", "text": "for the lowest price they can get"}, {"end": "01:25:32", "start": "01:25:27", "text": "because then they can step on it and you"}, {"end": "01:25:34", "start": "01:25:30", "text": "know and and and make more money, right?"}, {"end": "01:25:36", "start": "01:25:32", "text": "Um so imagine if you're in Massachusetts"}, {"end": "01:25:38", "start": "01:25:34", "text": "and you get a straight pipeline from"}, {"end": "01:25:41", "start": "01:25:36", "text": "Mexico, you're probably going to get"}, {"end": "01:25:43", "start": "01:25:38", "text": "some good stuff. And uh we up the Annie"}, {"end": "01:25:45", "start": "01:25:41", "text": "and then at that year and a half point"}, {"end": "01:25:47", "start": "01:25:43", "text": "they carried me down into the basement"}, {"end": "01:25:50", "start": "01:25:45", "text": "uh it's more like a crawl space of the"}, {"end": "01:25:52", "start": "01:25:47", "text": "clubhouse um and stripped me at gunpoint"}, {"end": "01:25:54", "start": "01:25:50", "text": "looking for a wire. The problem was is I"}, {"end": "01:25:57", "start": "01:25:52", "text": "was wired to the hilt and they almost"}, {"end": "01:25:58", "start": "01:25:54", "text": "they almost found it. It was close. It"}, {"end": "01:26:00", "start": "01:25:57", "text": "was close. And what are you going to do?"}, {"end": "01:26:02", "start": "01:25:58", "text": "I'm like, even if you think you're a"}, {"end": "01:26:04", "start": "01:26:00", "text": "tough person and you can fight, you're"}, {"end": "01:26:06", "start": "01:26:02", "text": "in a crawl space, basement, whatever. I"}, {"end": "01:26:08", "start": "01:26:04", "text": "can't stand up straight. I could"}, {"end": "01:26:10", "start": "01:26:06", "text": "probably touch the wall on both sides."}, {"end": "01:26:12", "start": "01:26:08", "text": "Um, they've already shown me their"}, {"end": "01:26:14", "start": "01:26:10", "text": "pistols. I'm not free to leave. And even"}, {"end": "01:26:16", "start": "01:26:12", "text": "if I could get past those two guys"}, {"end": "01:26:18", "start": "01:26:14", "text": "without getting shot, you got everybody"}, {"end": "01:26:19", "start": "01:26:16", "text": "upstairs. I got another probably 10"}, {"end": "01:26:21", "start": "01:26:18", "text": "upstairs with the door locked with a"}, {"end": "01:26:24", "start": "01:26:19", "text": "metal bar across it and everything else."}, {"end": "01:26:27", "start": "01:26:21", "text": "Um, and it came close. Like I I had an"}, {"end": "01:26:29", "start": "01:26:24", "text": "oh crap moment. Adrenaline dump. Um,"}, {"end": "01:26:31", "start": "01:26:27", "text": "your auditory exclusion happens. Your"}, {"end": "01:26:34", "start": "01:26:29", "text": "time dilation happens in your eyes."}, {"end": "01:26:36", "start": "01:26:31", "text": "Everything you see is in screen grabs."}, {"end": "01:26:39", "start": "01:26:34", "text": "Everything slows down. Everything you"}, {"end": "01:26:42", "start": "01:26:36", "text": "hear is going whoosh whoosh real slow."}, {"end": "01:26:46", "start": "01:26:39", "text": "Um, and what seems like an hour is"}, {"end": "01:26:49", "start": "01:26:42", "text": "probably a couple of minutes. And um I I"}, {"end": "01:26:52", "start": "01:26:46", "text": "took all my clothes off. I wrote down my"}, {"end": "01:26:54", "start": "01:26:49", "text": "name and everything they wanted me to."}, {"end": "01:26:56", "start": "01:26:52", "text": "Um I was panicking like crazy. You can"}, {"end": "01:26:58", "start": "01:26:54", "text": "clearly hear that my voice does not"}, {"end": "01:27:01", "start": "01:26:56", "text": "sound like this. My throat is a lot"}, {"end": "01:27:03", "start": "01:26:58", "text": "tighter. My pitch is a lot higher. Um"}, {"end": "01:27:04", "start": "01:27:01", "text": "some of my addiction is terrible cuz I'm"}, {"end": "01:27:09", "start": "01:27:03", "text": "talking through my nose cuz I'm freaking"}, {"end": "01:27:12", "start": "01:27:04", "text": "out. And um I thought I was done."}, {"end": "01:27:15", "start": "01:27:09", "text": "And then Closline, who was supposed to"}, {"end": "01:27:18", "start": "01:27:12", "text": "be my buddy, um not the FBI undercover"}, {"end": "01:27:22", "start": "01:27:15", "text": "buddy, but you know, the Scott Callaway"}, {"end": "01:27:24", "start": "01:27:18", "text": "buddy, um he uh he grabbed a piece of"}, {"end": "01:27:26", "start": "01:27:22", "text": "clothing and that piece of clothing had"}, {"end": "01:27:28", "start": "01:27:24", "text": "some equipment in it. And he starts"}, {"end": "01:27:30", "start": "01:27:26", "text": "kneading it with his fingers, you know,"}, {"end": "01:27:32", "start": "01:27:28", "text": "he's like working it. He cracked the"}, {"end": "01:27:33", "start": "01:27:30", "text": "joke. He's like, \"Hey man, I'm not going"}, {"end": "01:27:34", "start": "01:27:32", "text": "to find anything in here. I don't want"}, {"end": "01:27:37", "start": "01:27:33", "text": "to. Like some naked pictures of my old"}, {"end": "01:27:40", "start": "01:27:34", "text": "lady.\" And I'm like, \"I hope not.\" you"}, {"end": "01:27:42", "start": "01:27:37", "text": "know. Uh but I'm watching him do this"}, {"end": "01:27:45", "start": "01:27:40", "text": "and I don't even know I do it. You can"}, {"end": "01:27:45", "start": "01:27:42", "text": "hear me on the recording"}, {"end": "01:27:50", "start": "01:27:45", "text": "go cuz I mean what am I going to do, you"}, {"end": "01:27:54", "start": "01:27:48", "text": "know? And he looked right at it and"}, {"end": "01:27:56", "start": "01:27:50", "text": "missed it. Wow. By that much by that"}, {"end": "01:27:58", "start": "01:27:54", "text": "much. There's crazy there's crazy things"}, {"end": "01:28:01", "start": "01:27:56", "text": "like that because that that's another"}, {"end": "01:28:05", "start": "01:27:58", "text": "goes back to my faith."}, {"end": "01:28:07", "start": "01:28:01", "text": "Um that night when I called my wife, uh"}, {"end": "01:28:09", "start": "01:28:05", "text": "I'd always called her uh especially"}, {"end": "01:28:11", "start": "01:28:07", "text": "during that case. I gave her like a"}, {"end": "01:28:14", "start": "01:28:09", "text": "covert phone, a burner phone I bought"}, {"end": "01:28:16", "start": "01:28:11", "text": "and set up so I could call her um from"}, {"end": "01:28:18", "start": "01:28:14", "text": "my undercover phone. And I called her"}, {"end": "01:28:20", "start": "01:28:16", "text": "that night and the first thing she said"}, {"end": "01:28:22", "start": "01:28:18", "text": "is, \"Are you okay?\" And I was like,"}, {"end": "01:28:24", "start": "01:28:20", "text": "\"Yeah, why?\" She said, \"Man, I was"}, {"end": "01:28:25", "start": "01:28:22", "text": "driving in Macallen with the girls,"}, {"end": "01:28:29", "start": "01:28:24", "text": "which our girls were little at that"}, {"end": "01:28:30", "start": "01:28:25", "text": "time, about like three and one.\" And um"}, {"end": "01:28:32", "start": "01:28:29", "text": "she said, \"I just got this overwhelming"}, {"end": "01:28:33", "start": "01:28:30", "text": "feeling.\" And I pulled over on the side"}, {"end": "01:28:35", "start": "01:28:32", "text": "of the road and started praying for you"}, {"end": "01:28:36", "start": "01:28:33", "text": "and that's when I was in the basement. I"}, {"end": "01:28:39", "start": "01:28:35", "text": "looked at the time. That's when I was in"}, {"end": "01:28:41", "start": "01:28:36", "text": "the basement. So Wow. Yeah. That's"}, {"end": "01:28:43", "start": "01:28:39", "text": "freaky freaky stuff. But I mean, there's"}, {"end": "01:28:45", "start": "01:28:41", "text": "been other things where like, you know,"}, {"end": "01:28:47", "start": "01:28:43", "text": "somebody's got a double barrel shotgun"}, {"end": "01:28:49", "start": "01:28:45", "text": "with both hammers cocked back like this"}, {"end": "01:28:50", "start": "01:28:47", "text": "on the table pointing at you going, \"My"}, {"end": "01:28:52", "start": "01:28:49", "text": "brother,\" and his brother's right there."}, {"end": "01:28:54", "start": "01:28:50", "text": "My brother says, \"You're a cop.\" And"}, {"end": "01:28:55", "start": "01:28:52", "text": "you're looking at his brother going,"}, {"end": "01:28:58", "start": "01:28:54", "text": "\"He's right.\" Cuz I arrested him when I"}, {"end": "01:29:00", "start": "01:28:55", "text": "used to be a uniform patrol. you know,"}, {"end": "01:29:02", "start": "01:28:58", "text": "how do you get out of that? Um, oh, did"}, {"end": "01:29:06", "start": "01:29:00", "text": "you get out of I started counter"}, {"end": "01:29:08", "start": "01:29:02", "text": "accusing, deny, counter accuse. Um, cuz"}, {"end": "01:29:09", "start": "01:29:06", "text": "I didn't have near as much training back"}, {"end": "01:29:11", "start": "01:29:08", "text": "then. That was when I was at the"}, {"end": "01:29:13", "start": "01:29:09", "text": "sheriff's office. But, you know, you"}, {"end": "01:29:15", "start": "01:29:11", "text": "find yourself in a situation again with"}, {"end": "01:29:18", "start": "01:29:13", "text": "another case, poetic justice. You"}, {"end": "01:29:20", "start": "01:29:15", "text": "brought it up. Guy's got a shotgun,"}, {"end": "01:29:21", "start": "01:29:18", "text": "double barrel, hammers back. I"}, {"end": "01:29:23", "start": "01:29:20", "text": "should learn my lesson with those, I"}, {"end": "01:29:25", "start": "01:29:21", "text": "guess. Um, and he's uh he's like he's"}, {"end": "01:29:27", "start": "01:29:23", "text": "already told me if I find out you law,"}, {"end": "01:29:29", "start": "01:29:25", "text": "you a dead man. Can you hear me? If I"}, {"end": "01:29:32", "start": "01:29:27", "text": "find out you're the law, you're a dead"}, {"end": "01:29:34", "start": "01:29:29", "text": "man. And then I I I did something to"}, {"end": "01:29:36", "start": "01:29:32", "text": "bolster my bonafetus, to bolster myself"}, {"end": "01:29:38", "start": "01:29:34", "text": "is looking like I know what I'm doing,"}, {"end": "01:29:40", "start": "01:29:36", "text": "like I'm really a criminal. And it and I"}, {"end": "01:29:43", "start": "01:29:38", "text": "I overstepped my bounds. I"}, {"end": "01:29:44", "start": "01:29:40", "text": "underestimated and he it's a chess game."}, {"end": "01:29:46", "start": "01:29:43", "text": "He he got me on that one. The next thing"}, {"end": "01:29:49", "start": "01:29:44", "text": "I know, I'm Can you say what you did?"}, {"end": "01:29:51", "start": "01:29:46", "text": "Yeah. I told him that uh I've been like,"}, {"end": "01:29:54", "start": "01:29:49", "text": "\"Hey, man. That dope that I bought last"}, {"end": "01:29:57", "start": "01:29:51", "text": "time from his relative, it was weak.\""}, {"end": "01:29:58", "start": "01:29:54", "text": "And it was. And any dealer or user is"}, {"end": "01:29:59", "start": "01:29:57", "text": "going to know and they're going to come"}, {"end": "01:30:01", "start": "01:29:58", "text": "back and be like, \"Hey, what the hell"}, {"end": "01:30:02", "start": "01:29:59", "text": "was that you sell? You sold me, you"}, {"end": "01:30:03", "start": "01:30:01", "text": "know.\" And I told him, I said, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "01:30:05", "start": "01:30:02", "text": "yeah.\" I said, \"That stuff was weak,"}, {"end": "01:30:07", "start": "01:30:03", "text": "man.\" He goes, \"Well, this isn't. Try"}, {"end": "01:30:10", "start": "01:30:05", "text": "this.\" And I was like,"}, {"end": "01:30:12", "start": "01:30:07", "text": "\"Oh.\" And and next thing you know, I've"}, {"end": "01:30:15", "start": "01:30:10", "text": "got a red bone hound in my crotch. And"}, {"end": "01:30:17", "start": "01:30:12", "text": "that thing was mean. I was like, \"You"}, {"end": "01:30:19", "start": "01:30:15", "text": "just didn't move. You're just like cuz"}, {"end": "01:30:22", "start": "01:30:17", "text": "it's going like touching you and you're"}, {"end": "01:30:24", "start": "01:30:19", "text": "like, \"Okay.\" And then he's got the"}, {"end": "01:30:26", "start": "01:30:22", "text": "shotgun and then there's open bag of"}, {"end": "01:30:28", "start": "01:30:24", "text": "cocaine in my face and he's like, \"Just"}, {"end": "01:30:30", "start": "01:30:26", "text": "do it. Just do it.\" And and I I'm like I"}, {"end": "01:30:32", "start": "01:30:28", "text": "I'm talking and I'm like, \"Man, I told"}, {"end": "01:30:33", "start": "01:30:30", "text": "you I don't do it. I'm laying out"}, {"end": "01:30:37", "start": "01:30:32", "text": "everything that I think I could lay out"}, {"end": "01:30:39", "start": "01:30:33", "text": "that I for me and my story.\" And uh then"}, {"end": "01:30:40", "start": "01:30:37", "text": "I realized it was this is his test. And"}, {"end": "01:30:44", "start": "01:30:39", "text": "I even said I said, \"So this is your"}, {"end": "01:30:46", "start": "01:30:40", "text": "test. This is it.\" And uh I just did"}, {"end": "01:30:49", "start": "01:30:44", "text": "some real quick hand movement and I"}, {"end": "01:30:51", "start": "01:30:46", "text": "didn't ingest anything and uh I was"}, {"end": "01:30:54", "start": "01:30:49", "text": "pissed. I let him know I was pissed. But"}, {"end": "01:30:55", "start": "01:30:51", "text": "as soon as that happened, you have to be"}, {"end": "01:30:58", "start": "01:30:54", "text": "able to see, is this situation"}, {"end": "01:31:01", "start": "01:30:55", "text": "deteriorating? Clearly, it was. But as"}, {"end": "01:31:02", "start": "01:30:58", "text": "soon as I did that, he immediately"}, {"end": "01:31:03", "start": "01:31:01", "text": "everything was fine. And he's like,"}, {"end": "01:31:06", "start": "01:31:02", "text": "\"Hey, come to the back room. Here's all"}, {"end": "01:31:07", "start": "01:31:03", "text": "the dope. My my relatives are a cop."}, {"end": "01:31:10", "start": "01:31:06", "text": "Blah blah blah blah blah.\" And man, it"}, {"end": "01:31:12", "start": "01:31:07", "text": "was it was it was good to go after that."}, {"end": "01:31:15", "start": "01:31:10", "text": "But"}, {"end": "01:31:17", "start": "01:31:12", "text": "I I shouldn't have let that happen, you"}, {"end": "01:31:18", "start": "01:31:15", "text": "know. But again, it's a chess game."}, {"end": "01:31:20", "start": "01:31:17", "text": "You're trying to stay moves ahead while"}, {"end": "01:31:21", "start": "01:31:18", "text": "you're still connecting with people and"}, {"end": "01:31:23", "start": "01:31:20", "text": "gaining trust. I have to tell you, I"}, {"end": "01:31:25", "start": "01:31:21", "text": "think I should have worn the pens just"}, {"end": "01:31:26", "start": "01:31:23", "text": "for this interview. I would have peed my"}, {"end": "01:31:28", "start": "01:31:25", "text": "pants. I don't know how many times if I"}, {"end": "01:31:30", "start": "01:31:26", "text": "were you, but I'm glad people like you"}, {"end": "01:31:32", "start": "01:31:28", "text": "were out there. Thank you so much. Well,"}, {"end": "01:31:34", "start": "01:31:30", "text": "thanks for having me. And you know, it's"}, {"end": "01:31:35", "start": "01:31:32", "text": "an honor. I mean, again, it's a calling."}, {"end": "01:31:37", "start": "01:31:34", "text": "You don't do it for money. Yeah, I know."}, {"end": "01:31:39", "start": "01:31:35", "text": "You don't do it for fame. I mean, there"}, {"end": "01:31:41", "start": "01:31:37", "text": "are men and women out there that have"}, {"end": "01:31:44", "start": "01:31:39", "text": "done way more than I have undercover."}, {"end": "01:31:46", "start": "01:31:41", "text": "And and uh you know, I'm I've been"}, {"end": "01:31:48", "start": "01:31:44", "text": "blessed. So, I'm just trying to trying"}, {"end": "01:31:50", "start": "01:31:46", "text": "to pay it forward. Yeah. You know, thank"}, {"end": "01:31:53", "start": "01:31:48", "text": "you. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate"}, {"end": "01:31:53", "start": "01:31:50", "text": "it. You"}]

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[{"end": "00:00:03", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "Charles Hoskinson, welcome to the show."}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:08", "text": "It's good to be here, Sean. How you"}, {"end": "00:00:15", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "been? Amazing. Had a great breakfast"}, {"end": "00:00:17", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "with you. It was a lot of fun. But um"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:15", "text": "well, I've been wanting to have you on"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:17", "text": "the show for a super long time. And uh"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "so now to have you here, it's just it's"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "awesome. You you are a fascinating"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "individual. He's got your hands in all"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "kinds of different stuff. And I want to"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "dive into it as into all of it as much"}, {"end": "00:00:36", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "as we possibly can. And then and then we"}, {"end": "00:00:38", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "had breakfast and I was like, \"Oh, man."}, {"end": "00:00:39", "start": "00:00:36", "text": "I could go for days with this guy.\""}, {"end": "00:00:42", "start": "00:00:38", "text": "Right. There's a lot there's a lot"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:39", "text": "there. So, thank you for coming. Well, I"}, {"end": "00:00:46", "start": "00:00:42", "text": "do appreciate it. You you're one of the"}, {"end": "00:00:48", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "OGs. And uh this is an amazing studio,"}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:46", "text": "by the way. It's uh you got some"}, {"end": "00:00:53", "start": "00:00:48", "text": "artifacts here, man. Lot of history. A"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "lot of history. But um yeah, a lot of"}, {"end": "00:00:57", "start": "00:00:53", "text": "the guests have sent in stuff and we"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "probably only covered about half of it,"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:57", "text": "but um but yeah, it's uh a lot of good"}, {"end": "00:01:05", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "people have sat in here and uh now"}, {"end": "00:01:07", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "you're one of them. So, thank you again."}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:05", "text": "But uh everybody starts off with an"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:07", "text": "introduction here. So,"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "here we go. Charles Hoskinson,"}, {"end": "00:01:18", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "co-founder of Ethereum and the CEO and"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "founder of Input Output, the company"}, {"end": "00:01:24", "start": "00:01:18", "text": "behind the Cardano blockchain. Cardono"}, {"end": "00:01:26", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "is positioned to be included in the US"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:24", "text": "strategic crypto reserve alongside"}, {"end": "00:01:32", "start": "00:01:26", "text": "Bitcoin, Ethereum, XRP, and Salana. He"}, {"end": "00:01:34", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "testified in front of US Congress"}, {"end": "00:01:38", "start": "00:01:32", "text": "regarding crypto's currency regulation,"}, {"end": "00:01:40", "start": "00:01:34", "text": "operate an 11,000 acre bison ranch in"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:38", "text": "Wyoming, owned both a construction"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:40", "text": "company and state-of-the-art healthc"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "care clinic focused on anti-aging in"}, {"end": "00:01:52", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "rural Wyoming. part of the group that"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "deextincted the direwolf, co-founder of"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:52", "text": "a lab that is genetically engineering"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "bioluminescent plants, funded and joined"}, {"end": "00:02:03", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "a maritime expedition near Papa New"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "Guinea that recovered extra solar"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:03", "text": "fragments from the ocean floor. in 2021"}, {"end": "00:02:12", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "founded the Hoskinson Center for Formal"}, {"end": "00:02:15", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "Mathematics at Carnegie Melon University"}, {"end": "00:02:18", "start": "00:02:12", "text": "and most recently decided to wear gloves"}, {"end": "00:02:22", "start": "00:02:15", "text": "filled with bullet ants in a ceremony in"}, {"end": "00:02:24", "start": "00:02:18", "text": "Brazil. And there's a lot more, but uh"}, {"end": "00:02:29", "start": "00:02:22", "text": "we'll get into it uh later on in the"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:24", "text": "interview. So, I want to do a a life"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:29", "text": "story on you and uh starting from"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "childhood getting into the Cardano and"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "Ethereum and then every all these"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "different ventures uh that you're doing"}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "now. It's it seems to me like you just"}, {"end": "00:02:43", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "do whatever the hell you're interested"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "in and go in that direction, right? You"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:43", "text": "know, when you get enough money, you can"}, {"end": "00:02:48", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "just do whatever you want. So, I just"}, {"end": "00:02:50", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "did everything and I don't know if I can"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:48", "text": "keep this up because I'm getting pretty"}, {"end": "00:02:53", "start": "00:02:50", "text": "tired. There's too many pots in the"}, {"end": "00:02:55", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "fire."}, {"end": "00:02:58", "start": "00:02:53", "text": "I don't know how you keep it all"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:55", "text": "straight, but uh we're at like six"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:58", "text": "companies now or something like that,"}, {"end": "00:03:07", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "man. Yeah, man. But uh couple things uh"}, {"end": "00:03:09", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "to do before we get into it. 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So this is"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:26", "text": "from Andre."}, {"end": "00:03:34", "start": "00:03:28", "text": "What do you see as the b what do you see"}, {"end": "00:03:36", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "as the biggest physiological failure in"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:34", "text": "how cryptocurrencies have been"}, {"end": "00:03:40", "start": "00:03:36", "text": "implemented since their inception and"}, {"end": "00:03:42", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "how is Cardano attempting to correct"}, {"end": "00:03:44", "start": "00:03:40", "text": "that course?"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:42", "text": "So the one of the biggest challenges"}, {"end": "00:03:49", "start": "00:03:44", "text": "with cryptocurrencies is that you'd like"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "them for them to be successful and"}, {"end": "00:03:53", "start": "00:03:49", "text": "adopted to be a cooperative, but the way"}, {"end": "00:03:55", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "tokconomics work, the way the actual"}, {"end": "00:03:56", "start": "00:03:53", "text": "underlying tokens connected, the"}, {"end": "00:03:58", "start": "00:03:55", "text": "infrastructure, they're intrinsically"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:56", "text": "adversarial, you know, so it's like kind"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:58", "text": "of a sum zero market. So for Bitcoin to"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "win, Ethereum must fail. For Ethereum to"}, {"end": "00:04:06", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "win, Bitcoin must fail. And uh for"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "crypto to win, well, the banking"}, {"end": "00:04:09", "start": "00:04:06", "text": "industry has to fail. And everybody has"}, {"end": "00:04:11", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "to go over to crypto. And that's not how"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:09", "text": "the world works. If you look at real"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:11", "text": "modern business, geopolitics, religion,"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "whatever it is, you have to find"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "cooperative equilibria. You have to find"}, {"end": "00:04:25", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "a way that if I win, you win. If I make"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "money, you make money. So, uh, you know,"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:25", "text": "they've been tremendously successful"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "from a growth hacking perspective."}, {"end": "00:04:32", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "Cryptocurrencies have gone from nothing"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "to 550 million users within 15 years,"}, {"end": "00:04:36", "start": "00:04:32", "text": "from no value to a multi-t trillion"}, {"end": "00:04:39", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "dollar ecosystem. but they have still"}, {"end": "00:04:42", "start": "00:04:36", "text": "stayed somewhat divorced from the web 2"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:39", "text": "world and the legacy financial world."}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:42", "text": "They're not interconnected and"}, {"end": "00:04:48", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "interoperable. So really the next 5 to"}, {"end": "00:04:50", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "10 years in the industry, it's about how"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:48", "text": "do you build bridges and how do you"}, {"end": "00:04:53", "start": "00:04:50", "text": "reset the incentive layer of the system"}, {"end": "00:04:55", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "so that people make more money"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:53", "text": "cooperating together. And we're starting"}, {"end": "00:04:58", "start": "00:04:55", "text": "to see this with stable coins, for"}, {"end": "00:05:00", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "example. They're working their way into"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:58", "text": "the cryptocurrency space and they went"}, {"end": "00:05:04", "start": "00:05:00", "text": "from nothing to $243 billion of stable"}, {"end": "00:05:07", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "coins issued with Tether and Circle and"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:04", "text": "the other major standards about $180"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:07", "text": "million transactions per month. So huge"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "amount of volume and uh probably by 2030"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "we're going to have uh stable coins grow"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "to about a trillion dollar to$2 trillion"}, {"end": "00:05:21", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "vertical and probably about 500 million"}, {"end": "00:05:23", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "to a billion transactions per month. So"}, {"end": "00:05:25", "start": "00:05:21", "text": "massive growth under the hood they're"}, {"end": "00:05:26", "start": "00:05:23", "text": "just tokenized treasuries, you know,"}, {"end": "00:05:28", "start": "00:05:25", "text": "short-term treasuries. If you buy them,"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:26", "text": "you get a few points of interest. And so"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:28", "text": "they just took them, they tokenize them,"}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "they put them on a blockchain. Well, why"}, {"end": "00:05:33", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "do people want them? Well, the"}, {"end": "00:05:35", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "cryptocurrency space, we want them"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:33", "text": "because it's too volatile. Bitcoin goes"}, {"end": "00:05:38", "start": "00:05:35", "text": "way up. It goes way down. I was in"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "Bitcoin before it was a dollar. And I"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:38", "text": "watched it go to $30, down to four. I"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "watched it go all the way up to $256,"}, {"end": "00:05:49", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "down to $80, then up to,200, then down"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "to 250, then up to 20,000. Woo! Cocaine"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:49", "text": "and hookers. Yay. And then down to"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "4,000. Then up to 40 68,000. and then"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "down to 25 and then all the way up to"}, {"end": "00:06:02", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "$100,000, right? It's just crazy times."}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "You can't build an economy if you have"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:02", "text": "that level of volatility. So, you need"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "value stability and then you can create"}, {"end": "00:06:10", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "credit and then you can have an economy."}, {"end": "00:06:12", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "Well, the legacy world can do that."}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:10", "text": "There's constructions there. But crypto"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:12", "text": "has to learn how to work with that"}, {"end": "00:06:17", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "world. Why does the legacy world want to"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "work with crypto? Well, this allows you"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:17", "text": "to dollarize places that normally can't"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "be dollarized. So you look at Argentina"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "or you look at Venezuela or where all"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "these places are, they would much rather"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "have US dollars than pesos, you know,"}, {"end": "00:06:30", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "because the volatility is so high and"}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "you can't trust the banks in these"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:30", "text": "places. So Argentina, for example, the"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "economy is $700 billion through GDP."}, {"end": "00:06:38", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "There's already a hundred billion dollar"}, {"end": "00:06:40", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "in cryptocurrency assets that are"}, {"end": "00:06:42", "start": "00:06:38", "text": "floating around. So one out of every7"}, {"end": "00:06:43", "start": "00:06:40", "text": "dollars of value is in crypto. Why?"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:42", "text": "Because they don't trust a local"}, {"end": "00:06:47", "start": "00:06:43", "text": "currency. So they went to stable coins."}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "So if you're a bank or an issuer, you"}, {"end": "00:06:51", "start": "00:06:47", "text": "say, \"Wow, this is the best business in"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "the world. I embrace this crypto. I"}, {"end": "00:06:54", "start": "00:06:51", "text": "tokenize treasuries. I get the yield."}, {"end": "00:06:56", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "They get the stability and I get"}, {"end": "00:06:58", "start": "00:06:54", "text": "basically free money. Which is why"}, {"end": "00:07:00", "start": "00:06:56", "text": "Tether is now, I think, the seventh or"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:58", "text": "eighth largest holder of US treasuries"}, {"end": "00:07:04", "start": "00:07:00", "text": "in the world. And they make they're more"}, {"end": "00:07:06", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "profitable than Goldman Sachs, even"}, {"end": "00:07:09", "start": "00:07:04", "text": "though they only have 250 employees. No"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:06", "text": "kidding. Yeah. So, it's it's it's it's"}, {"end": "00:07:12", "start": "00:07:09", "text": "those cooperative economics where the"}, {"end": "00:07:14", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "legacy world can do something, the"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:12", "text": "crypto world can do something. And when"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:14", "text": "you bring these two things together and"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "both sides make money, both sides gets"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "value, that's that's what we need to do."}, {"end": "00:07:24", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "Now, specifically for Cardano, you know,"}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "Cardano was always designed to be a"}, {"end": "00:07:28", "start": "00:07:24", "text": "highly upgradable cryptocurrency. And"}, {"end": "00:07:30", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "the way we constructed it is we"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:28", "text": "constructed it where there's an angle"}, {"end": "00:07:33", "start": "00:07:30", "text": "for the regulated business to exist. We"}, {"end": "00:07:35", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "have technology called Midnight that's"}, {"end": "00:07:37", "start": "00:07:33", "text": "coming out and it's going to allow"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:35", "text": "rational privacy and selective"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:37", "text": "disclosure and all these things that are"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "required for how the legacy financial"}, {"end": "00:07:45", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "world exists. But then also at the same"}, {"end": "00:07:47", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "time it has the same ethos and values"}, {"end": "00:07:50", "start": "00:07:45", "text": "that Bitcoin does which is the largest"}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:47", "text": "market. So it's fully decentralized and"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:50", "text": "it has all these amazing capabilities."}, {"end": "00:07:56", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "So we kind of straddle both those worlds"}, {"end": "00:07:58", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "and we take this slow and deliberate"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:56", "text": "function. But what's nice about it"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:58", "text": "because of that the network has never"}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "gone down. For eight years straight"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "Cardano's operated 24 hours a day, 7"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "days a week. It's been hammered and"}, {"end": "00:08:08", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "attacked and everybody's tried to kill"}, {"end": "00:08:10", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "it and it's just Johnny live a lot keeps"}, {"end": "00:08:13", "start": "00:08:08", "text": "going keeps doing things. So it creates"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:10", "text": "a resilience and a and a trust that's"}, {"end": "00:08:17", "start": "00:08:13", "text": "required for people to build that type"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "of infrastructure. So you know it's it's"}, {"end": "00:08:20", "start": "00:08:17", "text": "a challenging space. It's highly"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "adversarial that's highly competitive."}, {"end": "00:08:25", "start": "00:08:20", "text": "And uh you think like politics is bad"}, {"end": "00:08:27", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "like crypto Twitter is probably much"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:25", "text": "worse than anything Trump's ever said or"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:27", "text": "Biden's ever said or whatever. It's a"}, {"end": "00:08:34", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "tough world to live in. Uh but in"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "general we just keep that durability and"}, {"end": "00:08:36", "start": "00:08:34", "text": "we always have one eye on the future"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "like what is going to be required to"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:36", "text": "bring trillions of dollars of real world"}, {"end": "00:08:42", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "assets into the space. What is required"}, {"end": "00:08:44", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "to bring Bitcoin into a space where it"}, {"end": "00:08:46", "start": "00:08:42", "text": "can participate in the DeFi world and"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:44", "text": "these things and by doing that the"}, {"end": "00:08:50", "start": "00:08:46", "text": "network has grown. It's gone from"}, {"end": "00:08:51", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "nothing to about 4.3 million active"}, {"end": "00:08:53", "start": "00:08:50", "text": "wallets and we think we'll probably grow"}, {"end": "00:08:55", "start": "00:08:51", "text": "to more than 10 to 15 by the end of the"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:53", "text": "decade. So it's got a very nice growth"}, {"end": "00:08:59", "start": "00:08:55", "text": "rate for it and also it now works with"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "everything. So Cardano can start talking"}, {"end": "00:09:04", "start": "00:08:59", "text": "to Salana and to Ethereum and to Bitcoin"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "and to all these other standards. Uh and"}, {"end": "00:09:08", "start": "00:09:04", "text": "that's what it should be. Their success"}, {"end": "00:09:10", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "should be our success and their user"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:08", "text": "should be our user and vice versa."}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:10", "text": "That's what's required for to to win."}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "What what what do you mean they should"}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "be talking to each other? So the chains"}, {"end": "00:09:20", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "are independent infrastructure. So if"}, {"end": "00:09:22", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "you have an asset or an application that"}, {"end": "00:09:24", "start": "00:09:20", "text": "lives on Ethereum, it doesn't natively"}, {"end": "00:09:27", "start": "00:09:22", "text": "know how to speak the language of an"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:24", "text": "asset or a application living on Salana"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:27", "text": "or Bitcoin or Cardano. So to talk to"}, {"end": "00:09:33", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "each other means that you actually"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "create interoperability and now for the"}, {"end": "00:09:37", "start": "00:09:33", "text": "first time ever you can move users and"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "assets value liquidity between the"}, {"end": "00:09:41", "start": "00:09:37", "text": "different systems. So imagine like"}, {"end": "00:09:43", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "foreign banking systems. So, you can't"}, {"end": "00:09:45", "start": "00:09:41", "text": "really send a wire transfer to Iran"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:43", "text": "easily or back cuz the systems have been"}, {"end": "00:09:51", "start": "00:09:45", "text": "chopped up and isolated because of"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "sanctions. Um, so imagine Wi-Fi if your"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:51", "text": "phone can only connect to an Apple"}, {"end": "00:09:55", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "router or to a Samsung router and it"}, {"end": "00:09:57", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "couldn't connect to any other router."}, {"end": "00:09:59", "start": "00:09:55", "text": "Well, that'd be a crazy protocol, right?"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:57", "text": "Or Bluetooth, like my Bluetooth headset"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:59", "text": "only connects to my iPhone, but nothing"}, {"end": "00:10:05", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "else. So, long time ago, we realized"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "that interoperability is a super"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:05", "text": "important feature. And so when you look"}, {"end": "00:10:11", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "at Cardono, one of the things we"}, {"end": "00:10:12", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "realized was it's less about how do I"}, {"end": "00:10:14", "start": "00:10:11", "text": "lock you into the system and it's more"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:12", "text": "about how do I get the system to talk to"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:14", "text": "all the other systems. You know what is"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "that Wi-Fi moment for the industry as a"}, {"end": "00:10:22", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "whole and just in solving"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "interoperability then you see a massive"}, {"end": "00:10:26", "start": "00:10:22", "text": "flow of transactions a massive flow of"}, {"end": "00:10:28", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "users and eventually that becomes your"}, {"end": "00:10:30", "start": "00:10:26", "text": "kind of your commercial engine. So"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:28", "text": "that's what I mean by talking to each"}, {"end": "00:10:34", "start": "00:10:30", "text": "other. And then the other side of"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "talking to each other is how do you for"}, {"end": "00:10:37", "start": "00:10:34", "text": "the big stakeholders in those"}, {"end": "00:10:40", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "ecosystems. So the people that control"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:37", "text": "billions of dollars of the asset or have"}, {"end": "00:10:43", "start": "00:10:40", "text": "built large applications with many"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "users. How do you work with them to"}, {"end": "00:10:47", "start": "00:10:43", "text": "create value for them? So a great"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "example would be Brave. It's a very"}, {"end": "00:10:52", "start": "00:10:47", "text": "popular browser. It's got about 86"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "million users. Joe Rogan's a user. Tons"}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:52", "text": "of people use it. And it was founded by"}, {"end": "00:10:58", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "the guy who created JavaScript, Brendan"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "Ick. And Brendan actually is a pioneer."}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:58", "text": "He started Netscape with a bunch of"}, {"end": "00:11:03", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "other guys and then he was the CEO of"}, {"end": "00:11:06", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "Mozilla which was Firefox and now he has"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:03", "text": "Brave. Well, Brave built into it wants"}, {"end": "00:11:11", "start": "00:11:06", "text": "to be as decentralized as possible. They"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "have an ad model uh called BATS and they"}, {"end": "00:11:15", "start": "00:11:11", "text": "have a VPN model to keep your your"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "information secret and private. Well,"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:15", "text": "they don't want to be in a position"}, {"end": "00:11:20", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "where they're a data custodian and they"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "know everything about you and trust me,"}, {"end": "00:11:25", "start": "00:11:20", "text": "bro, everything works great. They want"}, {"end": "00:11:27", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "to be in a position where they help you"}, {"end": "00:11:29", "start": "00:11:25", "text": "get the level of privacy you want and"}, {"end": "00:11:31", "start": "00:11:27", "text": "they help you share your data when and"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:29", "text": "uh how you want to do that in exchange"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:31", "text": "you get paid to do that but they know"}, {"end": "00:11:37", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "nothing about you. Well, cryptocurrency"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "technologies enable this to happen"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:37", "text": "really well for them which is why they"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "launched their own token called BATS and"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "these other things. So how do we make"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "their ad model better? How do we make"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "their VPN model better? How do we grow"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "that? And then that solves a problem for"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "88 million users and it helps them grow"}, {"end": "00:11:54", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "then to 100 million users or 150 million"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "users. Well, once those users are on our"}, {"end": "00:11:58", "start": "00:11:54", "text": "ecosystem, well then they also will do"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "other things. They'll participate in"}, {"end": "00:12:02", "start": "00:11:58", "text": "NFTts and DeFi things and whatever the"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "heck of the latest and greatest new"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:02", "text": "fangled thing is in the space. So their"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "users are our users and our users are"}, {"end": "00:12:10", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "their users. That's a cooperative"}, {"end": "00:12:12", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "equilibria that you look for. And if you"}, {"end": "00:12:14", "start": "00:12:10", "text": "solve their ad problem, you find a"}, {"end": "00:12:15", "start": "00:12:12", "text": "better way to do ads that preserve their"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:14", "text": "privacy and actually share the ad"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:15", "text": "revenue with the people who provide the"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "information. Well, that's just as useful"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "to Microsoft and Meta and to Google as"}, {"end": "00:12:25", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "it is to bats, you know, because they"}, {"end": "00:12:27", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "don't want to be a data custodian and"}, {"end": "00:12:29", "start": "00:12:25", "text": "they just want the semantical value of"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:27", "text": "the data. They want to be able to"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:29", "text": "microtarget people and sell things, but"}, {"end": "00:12:34", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "they don't want to be in the business of"}, {"end": "00:12:36", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "knowing every single detail about who"}, {"end": "00:12:38", "start": "00:12:34", "text": "you are and it's a liability because if"}, {"end": "00:12:40", "start": "00:12:36", "text": "they ever get hacked, you know, then"}, {"end": "00:12:41", "start": "00:12:38", "text": "they lose all that data. So you can"}, {"end": "00:12:43", "start": "00:12:40", "text": "create economies for these types of"}, {"end": "00:12:44", "start": "00:12:41", "text": "things and then you can start creating"}, {"end": "00:12:46", "start": "00:12:43", "text": "ecosystems around them and then you"}, {"end": "00:12:48", "start": "00:12:44", "text": "revolutionize the offering and every"}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:46", "text": "time you do it gets more decentralized"}, {"end": "00:12:51", "start": "00:12:48", "text": "and you push more value to the edges and"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "then you can start cutting people in on"}, {"end": "00:12:57", "start": "00:12:51", "text": "things that they previously gave away"}, {"end": "00:12:59", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "for free. Very interesting. Does crypto"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:57", "text": "overtake the current system eventually?"}, {"end": "00:13:04", "start": "00:12:59", "text": "No, I think it'll merge. It's like new"}, {"end": "00:13:06", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "media and you know online media versus"}, {"end": "00:13:08", "start": "00:13:04", "text": "legacy media. it just became media, you"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:06", "text": "know, and so the really smart people"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:08", "text": "like the New York Times and other"}, {"end": "00:13:13", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "people, they were they were quick to"}, {"end": "00:13:14", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "realize that they had to get on the web"}, {"end": "00:13:16", "start": "00:13:13", "text": "and build a web footprint. And then the"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:14", "text": "dinosaurs like the Rocky Mountain News"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:16", "text": "and others, they they didn't get that"}, {"end": "00:13:21", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "right and they went out of business. And"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "so very similarly, when you look at"}, {"end": "00:13:26", "start": "00:13:21", "text": "finance, you have tradi and defi, it's"}, {"end": "00:13:28", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "going to merge and become fi and both"}, {"end": "00:13:29", "start": "00:13:26", "text": "sides help each other out. So in terms"}, {"end": "00:13:31", "start": "00:13:28", "text": "of the legacy world, the cost of"}, {"end": "00:13:33", "start": "00:13:29", "text": "compliance is too high. It's $500"}, {"end": "00:13:36", "start": "00:13:31", "text": "billion a year globally. You could buy"}, {"end": "00:13:38", "start": "00:13:33", "text": "Tokyo every 3 years if you want to"}, {"end": "00:13:40", "start": "00:13:36", "text": "comply with KYC, you know, know your"}, {"end": "00:13:42", "start": "00:13:38", "text": "customer, anti-moneyaundering,"}, {"end": "00:13:44", "start": "00:13:40", "text": "anti-terrorist financing. It's"}, {"end": "00:13:46", "start": "00:13:42", "text": "extraordinary when you look at uh the"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:44", "text": "global cost of that. And then also just"}, {"end": "00:13:51", "start": "00:13:46", "text": "settlement time is too slow. It takes"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "days or weeks to do certain things and"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:51", "text": "liquidity is siloed. And so the American"}, {"end": "00:13:57", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "liquidity is different from the Dubai"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "liquidity, different from the German"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:57", "text": "liquidity. That doesn't make any sense"}, {"end": "00:14:02", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "because what if a German person wants to"}, {"end": "00:14:04", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "buy an American product or person in"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:02", "text": "Dubai wants to buy an American product?"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:04", "text": "Why do they have to go and through all"}, {"end": "00:14:09", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "these hops and loops to get into the"}, {"end": "00:14:11", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "American market? So the legacy world,"}, {"end": "00:14:13", "start": "00:14:09", "text": "they want automated compliance. They"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:11", "text": "want universal global liquidity and they"}, {"end": "00:14:17", "start": "00:14:13", "text": "want more transaction volume. Okay?"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "Well, the web 3 side of the world wants"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:17", "text": "all the money. They want the capital"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "that's currently locked up in Black"}, {"end": "00:14:24", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "Rockck and the capital that's locked up"}, {"end": "00:14:26", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "in Goldman Sachs and all these other"}, {"end": "00:14:29", "start": "00:14:24", "text": "places to move over into crypto"}, {"end": "00:14:30", "start": "00:14:26", "text": "products. So there's a marriage there if"}, {"end": "00:14:32", "start": "00:14:29", "text": "they can kind of put these pieces"}, {"end": "00:14:35", "start": "00:14:30", "text": "together and one creates innovation and"}, {"end": "00:14:38", "start": "00:14:32", "text": "reu reforms the legacy world and the"}, {"end": "00:14:40", "start": "00:14:35", "text": "other provides the users and ultimately"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:38", "text": "the the raw economic value. Well, when"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:40", "text": "those systems merge, it gets harder and"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "harder to distinguish what's crypto"}, {"end": "00:14:49", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "versus what's not crypto. Like here's an"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "example. Let's say the Genius Act"}, {"end": "00:14:53", "start": "00:14:49", "text": "passes, which is a piece of legislation"}, {"end": "00:14:55", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "that's almost through the the Congress"}, {"end": "00:14:57", "start": "00:14:53", "text": "right now to regulate stable coins."}, {"end": "00:14:59", "start": "00:14:55", "text": "Well, the minute that passes, Microsoft"}, {"end": "00:15:01", "start": "00:14:57", "text": "could wake up and say, \"You know what?"}, {"end": "00:15:02", "start": "00:14:59", "text": "We want to issue our own stable coin and"}, {"end": "00:15:04", "start": "00:15:01", "text": "we want to create a cryptocurrency"}, {"end": "00:15:06", "start": "00:15:02", "text": "wallet into Windows and just have it"}, {"end": "00:15:08", "start": "00:15:04", "text": "right there.\" So, when you boot up your"}, {"end": "00:15:10", "start": "00:15:06", "text": "Windows 11, it's right in the system"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:08", "text": "tray and you click a button for it."}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:10", "text": "Well, the consumer when they see that,"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "they'll probably say dollars. Won't say"}, {"end": "00:15:18", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "cryptocurrency on cryptocurrency XYZ."}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "Just say dollars and you use your credit"}, {"end": "00:15:22", "start": "00:15:18", "text": "card to like top it up and transfer"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "money into it. It's seamless because"}, {"end": "00:15:25", "start": "00:15:22", "text": "they'll have great bank infrastructure"}, {"end": "00:15:27", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "on the back end because Microsoft is so"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:25", "text": "big and so rich. What did they just do?"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:27", "text": "They just onboarded two billion people"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "into the cryptocurrency space. Now, why"}, {"end": "00:15:34", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "would Microsoft want to do this? Well,"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "uh they have customers in Sri Lanka and"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:34", "text": "they have customers in Bangladesh and"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "they have customers in Burundi and all"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "these other places and it's really"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "expensive for them to move money in and"}, {"end": "00:15:45", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "out of those countries and sell products"}, {"end": "00:15:47", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "in and out of those countries. And you"}, {"end": "00:15:50", "start": "00:15:45", "text": "don't want to take a $100 product and"}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:47", "text": "have $20 disappear because of forex risk"}, {"end": "00:15:53", "start": "00:15:50", "text": "and intermediaries and all these things."}, {"end": "00:15:55", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "You would much rather that customer have"}, {"end": "00:15:57", "start": "00:15:53", "text": "a decentralized money and have a direct"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:55", "text": "financial relationship with you. And no"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:57", "text": "matter where that dollar gets sent to"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "you for that purchase, you get 100% the"}, {"end": "00:16:06", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "purchase value. You'd much rather have"}, {"end": "00:16:08", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "that relationship. So, uh, so they if"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:06", "text": "they issue stable coin, then voila,"}, {"end": "00:16:13", "start": "00:16:08", "text": "voila, they have that. It's it's it's"}, {"end": "00:16:15", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "all there. Uh so the temptation for the"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:13", "text": "Mag 7 to come in, the Magnificent 7 like"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:15", "text": "the Apples and the Microsoft, the Metas"}, {"end": "00:16:20", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "is extremely strong. 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You just"}, {"end": "00:16:42", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "tap your phone, you send 20 bucks just"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "like that. No banks involved. It's"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:42", "text": "personto person, completely"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "decentralized cuz they said, \"Well, hang"}, {"end": "00:16:48", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "on, we got billions of people in this"}, {"end": "00:16:50", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "platform. We can be the world's largest"}, {"end": "00:16:52", "start": "00:16:48", "text": "payment processor, you know, through"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:50", "text": "this this whole setup.\" So, there's too"}, {"end": "00:16:55", "start": "00:16:52", "text": "much temptation to for these guys to"}, {"end": "00:16:57", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "come in. They were just waiting for the"}, {"end": "00:16:58", "start": "00:16:55", "text": "regulatory window to open and then they"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:57", "text": "come in. And once they come in, the"}, {"end": "00:17:02", "start": "00:16:58", "text": "consumer is not really thinking, I'm in"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "the cryptocurrency space. I'm a"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:02", "text": "cryptocurrency entrepreneur. It just"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "feels like a better PayPal. It feels"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "like a better traditional bank"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "interface. You see, makes sense. Wow."}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "Wow."}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:14", "text": "I would do anything to protect my"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "family, but there's always that one"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "worry in the back of my head. If I have"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "to use my firearm in self-defense,"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "who's got my back? The truth is, the"}, {"end": "00:17:34", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "justice system isn't always just. I've"}, {"end": "00:17:37", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "uncovered story after story of"}, {"end": "00:17:39", "start": "00:17:34", "text": "corruption. 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That's tr.com/srs."}, {"end": "00:19:57", "start": "00:19:53", "text": "These statements and products have not"}, {"end": "00:19:59", "start": "00:19:55", "text": "been evaluated by the FDA. These"}, {"end": "00:20:02", "start": "00:19:57", "text": "products are not intended to diagnose,"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:19:59", "text": "treat, cure, or prevent any disease or"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:20:02", "text": "condition."}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "We're going to get more into this. Mhm."}, {"end": "00:20:12", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "Before I forget, everybody gets a gift."}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:12", "text": "You got for me? Those are Vigilance"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:15", "text": "League gummy bears. Legal in all 50"}, {"end": "00:20:23", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "states, made in the USA."}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "You could even pay for those in crypto."}, {"end": "00:20:29", "start": "00:20:23", "text": "But um but yeah, everybody uh everybody"}, {"end": "00:20:32", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "gets a gift. So there it is. Thank you,"}, {"end": "00:20:34", "start": "00:20:29", "text": "sir. My pleasure."}, {"end": "00:20:36", "start": "00:20:32", "text": "I'll put that right there."}, {"end": "00:20:38", "start": "00:20:34", "text": "But um you know I want to get into your"}, {"end": "00:20:41", "start": "00:20:36", "text": "life story but I I want to talk about"}, {"end": "00:20:43", "start": "00:20:38", "text": "these bioluminescence plants first that"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:41", "text": "we had you showed me some pictures at"}, {"end": "00:20:46", "start": "00:20:43", "text": "breakfast."}, {"end": "00:20:51", "start": "00:20:46", "text": "It it it"}, {"end": "00:20:53", "start": "00:20:48", "text": "wow. I mean it looks like it looks like"}, {"end": "00:20:54", "start": "00:20:51", "text": "it looks like something out of a movie"}, {"end": "00:20:56", "start": "00:20:53", "text": "and the light that these things are"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:54", "text": "putting off. I mean it looks like it"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:56", "text": "looks if we can't show these pictures"}, {"end": "00:21:04", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "yet. It looks like"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "they're under a black light and they're"}, {"end": "00:21:12", "start": "00:21:04", "text": "just glowing in these magnificent neon"}, {"end": "00:21:14", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "colors and what so let's get into that"}, {"end": "00:21:16", "start": "00:21:12", "text": "real not real quick. Let's get into that"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:14", "text": "and then we'll get into your life story."}, {"end": "00:21:22", "start": "00:21:16", "text": "Where did this come about from? So, you"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "know, for many years, I uh always wanted"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:22", "text": "to do a synthetic biology company"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "because I I when I was in college, you"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "know, I didn't know if I wanted to be a"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "doctor or mathematician. So, I took a"}, {"end": "00:21:33", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "ton of biology classes and chemistry"}, {"end": "00:21:35", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "classes and a lot of my friends who went"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:33", "text": "deeper into that, they started there was"}, {"end": "00:21:38", "start": "00:21:35", "text": "cuz they were right at the beginning of"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "the crisper era and the whole gene"}, {"end": "00:21:42", "start": "00:21:38", "text": "therapies and all these things. So, they"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "were doing all the time genetic"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:42", "text": "engineering and they kept saying, \"Well,"}, {"end": "00:21:47", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "there's all these cool things that will"}, {"end": "00:21:48", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "be possible in 10 or 20 years.\" And like"}, {"end": "00:21:50", "start": "00:21:47", "text": "like what? They're like, \"Well, you"}, {"end": "00:21:52", "start": "00:21:48", "text": "know, you could take human skin cells"}, {"end": "00:21:53", "start": "00:21:50", "text": "and merge them with octopus DNA and"}, {"end": "00:21:55", "start": "00:21:52", "text": "then, you know, octopus can actually"}, {"end": "00:21:57", "start": "00:21:53", "text": "change its color.\" So, you can make a"}, {"end": "00:21:59", "start": "00:21:55", "text": "human skin cell be able to change its"}, {"end": "00:22:00", "start": "00:21:57", "text": "color and camouflage itself, kind of"}, {"end": "00:22:02", "start": "00:21:59", "text": "like the predator or something like"}, {"end": "00:22:04", "start": "00:22:00", "text": "that. It's like, wow, that's cool. Or"}, {"end": "00:22:06", "start": "00:22:02", "text": "you can take Lucifer in this case, and"}, {"end": "00:22:08", "start": "00:22:04", "text": "put it into any plant you want, and you"}, {"end": "00:22:10", "start": "00:22:06", "text": "can make a plant glow in the dark. And"}, {"end": "00:22:13", "start": "00:22:08", "text": "so, for more than two decades, you know,"}, {"end": "00:22:15", "start": "00:22:10", "text": "I was I was aware that these"}, {"end": "00:22:18", "start": "00:22:13", "text": "capabilities would be evident at some"}, {"end": "00:22:20", "start": "00:22:15", "text": "point. It just really I was looking for"}, {"end": "00:22:22", "start": "00:22:18", "text": "a partnership that would make sense. And"}, {"end": "00:22:25", "start": "00:22:20", "text": "so it was the serendipity. I met Ben"}, {"end": "00:22:28", "start": "00:22:22", "text": "Lamb. And Ben uh is a he's a genius."}, {"end": "00:22:29", "start": "00:22:25", "text": "He's a great guy, a wonderful guy. Uh"}, {"end": "00:22:30", "start": "00:22:28", "text": "and uh he's kind of like me where he"}, {"end": "00:22:32", "start": "00:22:29", "text": "likes doing a little bit of everything."}, {"end": "00:22:34", "start": "00:22:30", "text": "We both like the alien stuff and this"}, {"end": "00:22:35", "start": "00:22:32", "text": "thing. And he started all these weird"}, {"end": "00:22:38", "start": "00:22:34", "text": "startups and he's made quite a bit of"}, {"end": "00:22:39", "start": "00:22:35", "text": "money from them. And he was uh just"}, {"end": "00:22:40", "start": "00:22:38", "text": "getting started with a startup called"}, {"end": "00:22:42", "start": "00:22:39", "text": "Colossal, which I invested in. And"}, {"end": "00:22:44", "start": "00:22:40", "text": "Colossal is kind of famous for bringing"}, {"end": "00:22:45", "start": "00:22:42", "text": "back the direwolf. And they're working"}, {"end": "00:22:47", "start": "00:22:44", "text": "on the Willy Mammoth right now. and it's"}, {"end": "00:22:49", "start": "00:22:45", "text": "an amazing company. So Ben and I were"}, {"end": "00:22:50", "start": "00:22:47", "text": "talking about is there was there a way"}, {"end": "00:22:52", "start": "00:22:49", "text": "that we could do something with Colossal"}, {"end": "00:22:54", "start": "00:22:50", "text": "in the cryptocurrency space and this was"}, {"end": "00:22:57", "start": "00:22:52", "text": "back in 2021. And as like a side"}, {"end": "00:22:58", "start": "00:22:54", "text": "conversation, I mentioned uh to him,"}, {"end": "00:23:00", "start": "00:22:57", "text": "hey, it'd be really cool if we could do"}, {"end": "00:23:02", "start": "00:22:58", "text": "glow-in-the-dark plants. And you know,"}, {"end": "00:23:05", "start": "00:23:00", "text": "let's let's think this out. And he's"}, {"end": "00:23:06", "start": "00:23:02", "text": "like, I want to do that, too. And uh"}, {"end": "00:23:08", "start": "00:23:05", "text": "George Church, the guy that started"}, {"end": "00:23:10", "start": "00:23:06", "text": "Colossal with him, like was an expert in"}, {"end": "00:23:12", "start": "00:23:08", "text": "this area. He he wrote all the books on"}, {"end": "00:23:14", "start": "00:23:10", "text": "synthetic biology, like Regenesis was"}, {"end": "00:23:16", "start": "00:23:12", "text": "one book and over a thousand papers and"}, {"end": "00:23:17", "start": "00:23:14", "text": "these things. He's like a gigab brain"}, {"end": "00:23:20", "start": "00:23:16", "text": "out of Harvard. He had all this"}, {"end": "00:23:21", "start": "00:23:17", "text": "technology to basically do this. And it"}, {"end": "00:23:23", "start": "00:23:20", "text": "was one of those like, \"Did we just"}, {"end": "00:23:24", "start": "00:23:21", "text": "become best friends?\" You know, type"}, {"end": "00:23:26", "start": "00:23:23", "text": "type of thing. So, we're like, \"We got"}, {"end": "00:23:27", "start": "00:23:24", "text": "to start a company.\" He's like, \"Yeah,"}, {"end": "00:23:29", "start": "00:23:26", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] We got to start a company.\" So, we"}, {"end": "00:23:30", "start": "00:23:27", "text": "ended up starting a company and we're"}, {"end": "00:23:32", "start": "00:23:29", "text": "still running mostly in silo. And they"}, {"end": "00:23:34", "start": "00:23:30", "text": "hate it when I talk about this stuff,"}, {"end": "00:23:36", "start": "00:23:32", "text": "but every now and then I'll be like,"}, {"end": "00:23:38", "start": "00:23:34", "text": "\"Hey, there's there's some cool stuff"}, {"end": "00:23:40", "start": "00:23:36", "text": "coming.\" Um, and really what we've been"}, {"end": "00:23:42", "start": "00:23:38", "text": "working on is is more than just this"}, {"end": "00:23:45", "start": "00:23:40", "text": "concept of bioluminescent plants, which"}, {"end": "00:23:46", "start": "00:23:42", "text": "is super cool and interesting, but also"}, {"end": "00:23:51", "start": "00:23:45", "text": "we've been working on this idea of using"}, {"end": "00:23:53", "start": "00:23:46", "text": "synthetic biology to engineer plants to"}, {"end": "00:23:55", "start": "00:23:51", "text": "be better adapted for our goals in the"}, {"end": "00:23:58", "start": "00:23:53", "text": "environment that they're put in. So,"}, {"end": "00:24:00", "start": "00:23:55", "text": "let's say that uh you're in Saudi Arabia"}, {"end": "00:24:02", "start": "00:23:58", "text": "and you're building NEOM and you're NBS"}, {"end": "00:24:04", "start": "00:24:00", "text": "and you have this grand vision of like"}, {"end": "00:24:06", "start": "00:24:02", "text": "this trillion dollar massive mega city"}, {"end": "00:24:08", "start": "00:24:04", "text": "in the middle of damn nowhere that and"}, {"end": "00:24:09", "start": "00:24:06", "text": "you want to terraform the entire world."}, {"end": "00:24:12", "start": "00:24:08", "text": "Well, there's only so much you can do"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "with steel and concrete and glass. At"}, {"end": "00:24:16", "start": "00:24:12", "text": "some point, you have to use agriculture"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "and what you'd like to do is reclaim the"}, {"end": "00:24:19", "start": "00:24:16", "text": "desert and turn it into a different"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "biome because who wants to be in a"}, {"end": "00:24:22", "start": "00:24:19", "text": "desert? You want to be somewhere"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "interesting. That's why we're out here"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:22", "text": "in Tennessee. And this morning we had"}, {"end": "00:24:28", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "breakfast. That place was gorgeous. All"}, {"end": "00:24:30", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "this beautiful lush greenery, you know,"}, {"end": "00:24:32", "start": "00:24:28", "text": "everywhere you look. Well, I'd love to"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:30", "text": "see that if I was MBS. And so, what if"}, {"end": "00:24:36", "start": "00:24:32", "text": "you had a company that understood so"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "well how to modify the ambient"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:36", "text": "environment that it could conceive of"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "plants to do such a thing? Or what if"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "your goal is carbon reduction? You can"}, {"end": "00:24:45", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "make plants that sequester enormous"}, {"end": "00:24:47", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "amounts of carbon. Or what if your goal"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:45", "text": "is environmental reclamation? Let's say"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:47", "text": "you have a shooting range. You know"}, {"end": "00:24:51", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "what's your number one problem? you're"}, {"end": "00:24:53", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "going to accumulate a lot of lead over"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:51", "text": "time, right? And so what if you had"}, {"end": "00:24:56", "start": "00:24:53", "text": "plants that seeped it right out of the"}, {"end": "00:24:59", "start": "00:24:55", "text": "soil so it doesn't get into the water"}, {"end": "00:25:00", "start": "00:24:56", "text": "and uh and sequesters inside the plant."}, {"end": "00:25:02", "start": "00:24:59", "text": "You can do these types of things. So"}, {"end": "00:25:04", "start": "00:25:00", "text": "bioluminescence is a really magical"}, {"end": "00:25:07", "start": "00:25:02", "text": "thing because it's one of those like you"}, {"end": "00:25:09", "start": "00:25:04", "text": "can see it. It's it's not a hypothetical"}, {"end": "00:25:11", "start": "00:25:07", "text": "like if I make plants that sequester"}, {"end": "00:25:13", "start": "00:25:09", "text": "carbon, oh that's cool, they sequester"}, {"end": "00:25:15", "start": "00:25:11", "text": "carbon, they can't see it, you know, or"}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:13", "text": "it doesn't really appear to be anything"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:15", "text": "meaningful. But the here it's like it's"}, {"end": "00:25:20", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "just magic. It's something that never"}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "existed before and you can imagine the"}, {"end": "00:25:24", "start": "00:25:20", "text": "art of the possible. You know, glowing"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "cities, glowing golf courses, organic"}, {"end": "00:25:29", "start": "00:25:24", "text": "lighting, all these magical amazing"}, {"end": "00:25:30", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "things. So, and the other thing is that"}, {"end": "00:25:33", "start": "00:25:29", "text": "once you've mastered that as a platform,"}, {"end": "00:25:35", "start": "00:25:30", "text": "then all those other use cases become"}, {"end": "00:25:37", "start": "00:25:33", "text": "tractable and useful and easy. Yeah."}, {"end": "00:25:40", "start": "00:25:35", "text": "Because you now know how to pretty much"}, {"end": "00:25:42", "start": "00:25:37", "text": "do anything you want with the organism,"}, {"end": "00:25:44", "start": "00:25:40", "text": "you know. And what's cool is the"}, {"end": "00:25:45", "start": "00:25:42", "text": "bioluminescence can also be a guide to"}, {"end": "00:25:48", "start": "00:25:44", "text": "tell you whether those genes have been"}, {"end": "00:25:49", "start": "00:25:45", "text": "taken or not because you can cross-link"}, {"end": "00:25:51", "start": "00:25:48", "text": "them and you can say well if it glows"}, {"end": "00:25:53", "start": "00:25:49", "text": "this color it has this property if it"}, {"end": "00:25:55", "start": "00:25:51", "text": "glows this color it has this property or"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:53", "text": "these types of things. So there's a"}, {"end": "00:25:59", "start": "00:25:55", "text": "there's a method to the madness and uh"}, {"end": "00:26:00", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "it gets people instantly interested and"}, {"end": "00:26:02", "start": "00:25:59", "text": "they and they always say oh that that's"}, {"end": "00:26:03", "start": "00:26:00", "text": "AI or you know that's a fantasy or it's"}, {"end": "00:26:05", "start": "00:26:02", "text": "under a black light or something and"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:03", "text": "then they physically see it and they say"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:05", "text": "wow this is incredible and so at some"}, {"end": "00:26:10", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "point soon you know we'll go out of"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "silent mode and actually have a big"}, {"end": "00:26:13", "start": "00:26:10", "text": "showing of these types of things to get"}, {"end": "00:26:14", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "people very excited about it but every"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:13", "text": "now and then when I meet an interesting"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:14", "text": "person you I kind of share it cuz people"}, {"end": "00:26:23", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "say wow the world is moving in you know"}, {"end": "00:26:25", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "kind of a new place and then they always"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:23", "text": "ask for something. They're like, \"Can"}, {"end": "00:26:29", "start": "00:26:25", "text": "you make this plant glow or can you do"}, {"end": "00:26:31", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "this color or wouldn't it be cool if we"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:29", "text": "could decorate this way or do this"}, {"end": "00:26:35", "start": "00:26:31", "text": "thing?\" And then we say, \"That's a good"}, {"end": "00:26:37", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "idea.\" And you kind of take it and you"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:35", "text": "say, \"Well, maybe we should work on that"}, {"end": "00:26:41", "start": "00:26:37", "text": "or something like that.\" You know, I"}, {"end": "00:26:43", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "don't know how far you want to dive into"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:41", "text": "this, so I don't want to push, but you"}, {"end": "00:26:48", "start": "00:26:43", "text": "you had mentioned"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "some early detection systems that these"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:48", "text": "plants could be used. Yeah. Sentinel"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "plants. And so imagine you're a coal"}, {"end": "00:26:55", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "miner um and you're in West Virginia or"}, {"end": "00:26:57", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "Pennsylvania or somewhere. Gillette is"}, {"end": "00:26:58", "start": "00:26:55", "text": "like one of the coal capitals of the"}, {"end": "00:27:00", "start": "00:26:57", "text": "world, but we have these big open pit"}, {"end": "00:27:01", "start": "00:26:58", "text": "mines which are a lot safer. But let's"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:27:00", "text": "say you're underground, you're coal"}, {"end": "00:27:04", "start": "00:27:01", "text": "miner. What's your number one problem?"}, {"end": "00:27:06", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "You're worried about methane, you know,"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:04", "text": "cuz it naturally leeches off the walls"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:06", "text": "and you don't smell it. Most people when"}, {"end": "00:27:12", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "they think of natural gas, oh it smells"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "terrible. Well, it doesn't actually."}, {"end": "00:27:15", "start": "00:27:12", "text": "It's odorless. It smells terrible"}, {"end": "00:27:17", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "because after they process it, they put"}, {"end": "00:27:18", "start": "00:27:15", "text": "a chemical in it so you can detect it"}, {"end": "00:27:20", "start": "00:27:17", "text": "and you can smell it. So if you're a"}, {"end": "00:27:23", "start": "00:27:18", "text": "minor in a mine and natural gas is"}, {"end": "00:27:25", "start": "00:27:20", "text": "building up, it's a silent killer. It"}, {"end": "00:27:26", "start": "00:27:23", "text": "explodes and and so it's terrible. So"}, {"end": "00:27:28", "start": "00:27:25", "text": "they have to always detectors and that's"}, {"end": "00:27:30", "start": "00:27:26", "text": "why they had the canary and coal mine,"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:28", "text": "this type of thing. So imagine a plant,"}, {"end": "00:27:34", "start": "00:27:30", "text": "a cave moss or something and it doesn't"}, {"end": "00:27:36", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "glow unless there's methane and when it"}, {"end": "00:27:38", "start": "00:27:34", "text": "does it glows red called a sentinel"}, {"end": "00:27:40", "start": "00:27:36", "text": "plant, right? And you can use this for"}, {"end": "00:27:42", "start": "00:27:38", "text": "military applications, for industrial"}, {"end": "00:27:44", "start": "00:27:40", "text": "applications, for environmental"}, {"end": "00:27:47", "start": "00:27:42", "text": "applications, you know, these types of"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:44", "text": "things. Uh and uh that's the art of the"}, {"end": "00:27:50", "start": "00:27:47", "text": "possible. And that's what gets people"}, {"end": "00:27:52", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "very excited about this technology"}, {"end": "00:27:54", "start": "00:27:50", "text": "because then you say okay the plant is"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:52", "text": "now an information transmitter about"}, {"end": "00:27:59", "start": "00:27:54", "text": "something in my environment and it does"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "it naturally and organically and it's"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:59", "text": "just there. Uh and once you have that"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "capability, then what that does for you"}, {"end": "00:28:10", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "is it puts you in a position where you"}, {"end": "00:28:11", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "are able to kind of ask your the people"}, {"end": "00:28:14", "start": "00:28:10", "text": "you're working with, what do you want?"}, {"end": "00:28:16", "start": "00:28:11", "text": "You know, what would improve safety?"}, {"end": "00:28:18", "start": "00:28:14", "text": "What would improve the experience? You"}, {"end": "00:28:20", "start": "00:28:16", "text": "know, what would improve the ambiance of"}, {"end": "00:28:22", "start": "00:28:18", "text": "where we're at? And then you can design"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:20", "text": "the plants, you can design this biology"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:22", "text": "around that desire. Uh so that's what"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "gets me most excited about it. And"}, {"end": "00:28:31", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "what's cool is it's it's the only time"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "ever where like Hollywood is interested"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:31", "text": "and restaurants are interested and"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "casinos are interested and the Air Force"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "is interested. You know, it's like"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "there's this huge spectrum of people."}, {"end": "00:28:42", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "It's a magical company. Uh and I love"}, {"end": "00:28:45", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "those magical companies. They just make"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:42", "text": "people want to be part of it. They want"}, {"end": "00:28:49", "start": "00:28:45", "text": "to be invested in. They they brag to"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "their friends like I am in this coolest"}, {"end": "00:28:52", "start": "00:28:49", "text": "company in the whole world. And Colossal"}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "is much the same way. Any Ben Lamb"}, {"end": "00:28:55", "start": "00:28:52", "text": "company is this way. This is why he's a"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "genius. It's like you invest in"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:55", "text": "Colossal, you're like, \"Oh yeah, yeah,"}, {"end": "00:28:59", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "I'm part of that whole Willie Mammoth"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "thing and that whole direwolf thing.\""}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:59", "text": "You're like, \"Holy [\u00a0__\u00a0] that's"}, {"end": "00:29:05", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "awesome.\" You know, tell me more. I"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "can't tell you anything. You know,"}, {"end": "00:29:09", "start": "00:29:05", "text": "I mean, you had mentioned,"}, {"end": "00:29:11", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "we were talking about security and a"}, {"end": "00:29:12", "start": "00:29:09", "text": "little bit of prepping and all that kind"}, {"end": "00:29:15", "start": "00:29:11", "text": "of stuff as well. And you had mentioned"}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:12", "text": "that you could modify"}, {"end": "00:29:21", "start": "00:29:15", "text": "what sounded like like a thorn bush and"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "make a make a security wall with thorns"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:21", "text": "that are Yeah. You know, like I I have a"}, {"end": "00:29:27", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "construction company and we have about"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "200 people in it. We do dirt work and"}, {"end": "00:29:30", "start": "00:29:27", "text": "concrete work and I go every year to"}, {"end": "00:29:32", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "world of concrete and all these things."}, {"end": "00:29:34", "start": "00:29:30", "text": "And if you own a construction company,"}, {"end": "00:29:35", "start": "00:29:32", "text": "at some point you're building walls, you"}, {"end": "00:29:38", "start": "00:29:34", "text": "know, whether they be concrete walls or"}, {"end": "00:29:40", "start": "00:29:35", "text": "wood walls, whatever. And uh landscaping"}, {"end": "00:29:42", "start": "00:29:38", "text": "is a big part of a security element. And"}, {"end": "00:29:44", "start": "00:29:40", "text": "so there all the time you can plant"}, {"end": "00:29:47", "start": "00:29:42", "text": "things like the Japanese barberry. It's"}, {"end": "00:29:49", "start": "00:29:44", "text": "a perfect bush for security. It can grow"}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:47", "text": "about 6 to 8 feet high, which is exactly"}, {"end": "00:29:53", "start": "00:29:49", "text": "about how high you want it. and they got"}, {"end": "00:29:55", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "these really sharp nasty thorns and"}, {"end": "00:29:57", "start": "00:29:53", "text": "they're about that wide. So if you"}, {"end": "00:29:59", "start": "00:29:55", "text": "create a hedge wall and then back it"}, {"end": "00:30:01", "start": "00:29:57", "text": "with like a concrete wall or you know"}, {"end": "00:30:03", "start": "00:29:59", "text": "wood fence or something, you've already"}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:30:01", "text": "created something that's very hard for"}, {"end": "00:30:06", "start": "00:30:03", "text": "somebody to work their way through."}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "Well, why don't people do this?"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:06", "text": "Horrendously expensive. Takes a real"}, {"end": "00:30:11", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "long time to grow one. You have to water"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "and maintain it and all these things."}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:11", "text": "Well, when you get in the business of"}, {"end": "00:30:15", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "synthetic biology, you can say, \"Okay,"}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "well, I want something with the"}, {"end": "00:30:20", "start": "00:30:15", "text": "properties of a crown of thorn or a"}, {"end": "00:30:22", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "Japanese barberry or whatever the plant"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:20", "text": "is, but I want it to grow like really"}, {"end": "00:30:28", "start": "00:30:22", "text": "fast.\" And then you can just 3D print"}, {"end": "00:30:30", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "some lattice structure, put it in, and"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:28", "text": "then just grow out an entire wall. Well,"}, {"end": "00:30:33", "start": "00:30:30", "text": "if it's bioluminescent, it also glows at"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "night, too. So, you have your organic"}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:33", "text": "lighting and now you have a denial and"}, {"end": "00:30:38", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "all these things. And then you'd also"}, {"end": "00:30:40", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "tune it for the environment. So you like"}, {"end": "00:30:42", "start": "00:30:38", "text": "say, \"Well, I don't want the deer to eat"}, {"end": "00:30:43", "start": "00:30:40", "text": "it, so make it bad for them, but it's"}, {"end": "00:30:46", "start": "00:30:42", "text": "fine for humans,\" or something like"}, {"end": "00:30:47", "start": "00:30:43", "text": "that. So you can really get granular"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:46", "text": "with your design requirements. And"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:47", "text": "what's cool is then you can even blend"}, {"end": "00:30:53", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "it with your logo or branding. So you"}, {"end": "00:30:55", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "could be like, \"Okay, well, I want it to"}, {"end": "00:30:57", "start": "00:30:53", "text": "match the colors of the brand of my"}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:55", "text": "corporation or organization, you know,"}, {"end": "00:31:00", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "cuz I I use black and red for input"}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "output. So those are our colors.\" So"}, {"end": "00:31:04", "start": "00:31:00", "text": "it'd be really cool if we can do like"}, {"end": "00:31:06", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "black flowers or red flowers or things"}, {"end": "00:31:08", "start": "00:31:04", "text": "like that. And it's all there. And that"}, {"end": "00:31:10", "start": "00:31:06", "text": "technology is going to be available, you"}, {"end": "00:31:12", "start": "00:31:08", "text": "know, you know, horizonally when you"}, {"end": "00:31:15", "start": "00:31:10", "text": "look to the 2030s, especially as AI gets"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:12", "text": "deeper into biioinformatics. You"}, {"end": "00:31:18", "start": "00:31:15", "text": "basically have like a CAD for organisms."}, {"end": "00:31:20", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "You can sit down and kind of type in all"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:18", "text": "your requirements and it tells you"}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:20", "text": "exactly what you need to do step by step"}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "and you go and design it for the client."}, {"end": "00:31:29", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "You can do that for bespoke large scale"}, {"end": "00:31:31", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "commercial landscaping. Um, and and it's"}, {"end": "00:31:34", "start": "00:31:29", "text": "cool because then you start blending the"}, {"end": "00:31:36", "start": "00:31:31", "text": "aesthetic with the functional. you get a"}, {"end": "00:31:37", "start": "00:31:34", "text": "lot of wonderful properties that really"}, {"end": "00:31:39", "start": "00:31:36", "text": "help you out, but then you also get"}, {"end": "00:31:41", "start": "00:31:37", "text": "these aesthetic properties and it it"}, {"end": "00:31:44", "start": "00:31:39", "text": "creates a uniqueness about what you"}, {"end": "00:31:47", "start": "00:31:41", "text": "have. So you don't live in this world of"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:44", "text": "MC malls and Walmarts and you know ugly"}, {"end": "00:31:51", "start": "00:31:47", "text": "landscaping. It's more like European"}, {"end": "00:31:53", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "cities where every place you go has a"}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:51", "text": "very unique architectural fingerprint"}, {"end": "00:31:58", "start": "00:31:53", "text": "and it's very distinct and memorable."}, {"end": "00:31:59", "start": "00:31:55", "text": "Man, that is fascinating. How long How"}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:58", "text": "long has How long have you guys been"}, {"end": "00:32:02", "start": "00:31:59", "text": "working on that? Oh, for about two years"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:32:01", "text": "now. You know that's it. Yeah, that's"}, {"end": "00:32:06", "start": "00:32:02", "text": "it. And the first step was just building"}, {"end": "00:32:07", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "the science team. And uh you know, you"}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:06", "text": "got to understand it's like it's like"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:07", "text": "cryptocurrencies, you know, we've been"}, {"end": "00:32:13", "start": "00:32:09", "text": "working on it for a while, but"}, {"end": "00:32:16", "start": "00:32:11", "text": "cryptography has been around since the"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:13", "text": "70s like as an academic discipline, but"}, {"end": "00:32:20", "start": "00:32:16", "text": "it's been around for hundreds of years"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "as like an endeavor that people do. And"}, {"end": "00:32:23", "start": "00:32:20", "text": "Caesar encoded things. It was called the"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:22", "text": "Caesar cipher. It's a substitution"}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:23", "text": "cipher. So the these ideas are there."}, {"end": "00:32:31", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "It's just you have to wait a little bit"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "for the science to mature to a point"}, {"end": "00:32:34", "start": "00:32:31", "text": "where you can commercialize the science."}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "So quantum computing for example,"}, {"end": "00:32:37", "start": "00:32:34", "text": "there's all these different incredibly"}, {"end": "00:32:39", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "difficult things that have to happen,"}, {"end": "00:32:41", "start": "00:32:37", "text": "but once they come together, then you"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:39", "text": "can build a quantum computer. So now"}, {"end": "00:32:46", "start": "00:32:41", "text": "that most of those things have happened,"}, {"end": "00:32:47", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "we're starting to get to the possibility"}, {"end": "00:32:49", "start": "00:32:46", "text": "of a quantum computer. And it's very"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:47", "text": "much the same when you look at synthetic"}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:49", "text": "biology. you know, George Church and"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "other people had to spend decades of"}, {"end": "00:32:57", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "their lives writing papers and books and"}, {"end": "00:32:59", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "articles and training people and"}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:57", "text": "conducting experiments and figuring out"}, {"end": "00:33:02", "start": "00:32:59", "text": "basically how to do all this stuff. And"}, {"end": "00:33:04", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "now that they have all these things"}, {"end": "00:33:06", "start": "00:33:02", "text": "figured out, you're in a position where"}, {"end": "00:33:08", "start": "00:33:04", "text": "you actually can now commercialize the"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:06", "text": "technology and roll it out. Um,"}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:08", "text": "multi-touch and phones, they had these"}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "ideas in the 80s for multi-touch. But it"}, {"end": "00:33:15", "start": "00:33:12", "text": "took two decades of fundamental R&D in"}, {"end": "00:33:17", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "material sciences to get to a point"}, {"end": "00:33:19", "start": "00:33:15", "text": "where Steve Jobs could pretend he"}, {"end": "00:33:21", "start": "00:33:17", "text": "invented it, you know, and say, \"Hey,"}, {"end": "00:33:23", "start": "00:33:19", "text": "here's the iPhone and now we can do the"}, {"end": "00:33:26", "start": "00:33:21", "text": "pinch and all the other things.\" So, uh,"}, {"end": "00:33:28", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "that's the cool part. You know a good"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:26", "text": "technologist they always have one foot"}, {"end": "00:33:34", "start": "00:33:28", "text": "in the research side and they are very"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "connected to the labs u and the"}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:34", "text": "universities and they see what's on the"}, {"end": "00:33:40", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "horizon and they have one foot in the"}, {"end": "00:33:42", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "right on the bleeding edge of"}, {"end": "00:33:44", "start": "00:33:40", "text": "commercialization and and if you bet too"}, {"end": "00:33:45", "start": "00:33:42", "text": "early you don't really get a good"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:44", "text": "experience out of it and then the"}, {"end": "00:33:50", "start": "00:33:45", "text": "imitators come in and kill you. If you"}, {"end": "00:33:52", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "bet too late the you're the idiot."}, {"end": "00:33:54", "start": "00:33:50", "text": "There's there's always the three eyes in"}, {"end": "00:33:56", "start": "00:33:52", "text": "business. There's the innovators, the"}, {"end": "00:33:59", "start": "00:33:54", "text": "imitators, and the idiots. And they're"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:56", "text": "very close together. So, you're MySpace."}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:59", "text": "You come out, you're the innovator,"}, {"end": "00:34:03", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "right? But you take a lot of arrows and"}, {"end": "00:34:05", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "you make a lot of mistakes. And then the"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:03", "text": "imitator comes in, the Facebook, and"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:05", "text": "they take your lunch and eat everything."}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "And then people came after Facebook."}, {"end": "00:34:11", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "They were the idiots. You know, they"}, {"end": "00:34:13", "start": "00:34:09", "text": "they weren't able to build like was it"}, {"end": "00:34:15", "start": "00:34:11", "text": "Google Plus or Google circles or"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:13", "text": "whatever it was, they failed miserably"}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:15", "text": "even though they had the network effect"}, {"end": "00:34:19", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "of Google and these types of things. So,"}, {"end": "00:34:21", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "it's very much the same way you look at"}, {"end": "00:34:23", "start": "00:34:19", "text": "emerging technologies. You like where"}, {"end": "00:34:25", "start": "00:34:21", "text": "are we at? out with the innovator? Not"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:23", "text": "really. There's other people that do"}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:25", "text": "synthetic biology, but uh you know,"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "we're just leaving that phase and now"}, {"end": "00:34:34", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "we're in that second generation and we"}, {"end": "00:34:35", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "think that there's a lot of there there"}, {"end": "00:34:38", "start": "00:34:34", "text": "and if we're successful, there'll be"}, {"end": "00:34:39", "start": "00:34:35", "text": "tons of idiots that come in and they try"}, {"end": "00:34:41", "start": "00:34:38", "text": "to do things, but we already have all"}, {"end": "00:34:43", "start": "00:34:39", "text": "the the right business model and that's"}, {"end": "00:34:45", "start": "00:34:41", "text": "what keeps it fun. You know, uh Steve"}, {"end": "00:34:49", "start": "00:34:43", "text": "Jobs did this with AI. You know, there"}, {"end": "00:34:51", "start": "00:34:45", "text": "was a DARPA program called Kao in 2003"}, {"end": "00:34:53", "start": "00:34:49", "text": "to 2008. it was cognitive assistant that"}, {"end": "00:34:55", "start": "00:34:51", "text": "learns and organizes and he literally"}, {"end": "00:34:56", "start": "00:34:53", "text": "got weekly reports on the things that"}, {"end": "00:34:57", "start": "00:34:55", "text": "were happening there because the guys"}, {"end": "00:35:00", "start": "00:34:56", "text": "who were running it were the guys who"}, {"end": "00:35:02", "start": "00:34:57", "text": "ended up creating Siri. So they they"}, {"end": "00:35:04", "start": "00:35:00", "text": "were basically like talking about this"}, {"end": "00:35:06", "start": "00:35:02", "text": "idea of like an intelligent agent and"}, {"end": "00:35:08", "start": "00:35:04", "text": "this is in 2003. DARPA is always ahead"}, {"end": "00:35:10", "start": "00:35:06", "text": "of the game like this intelligent agent"}, {"end": "00:35:12", "start": "00:35:08", "text": "that would basically uh know everything"}, {"end": "00:35:14", "start": "00:35:10", "text": "about you and it'd be your companion."}, {"end": "00:35:15", "start": "00:35:12", "text": "You talk to it and it's like a personal"}, {"end": "00:35:17", "start": "00:35:14", "text": "assistant and say, \"Hey, read all my"}, {"end": "00:35:18", "start": "00:35:15", "text": "emails. Which ones should I I review?"}, {"end": "00:35:20", "start": "00:35:17", "text": "Which one should I delete? I'll do"}, {"end": "00:35:21", "start": "00:35:18", "text": "this.\" Well, obviously it was fantasy."}, {"end": "00:35:23", "start": "00:35:20", "text": "They didn't have the technology there."}, {"end": "00:35:24", "start": "00:35:21", "text": "But the guys learned an enormous stuff"}, {"end": "00:35:26", "start": "00:35:23", "text": "and they spent hundreds of millions of"}, {"end": "00:35:27", "start": "00:35:24", "text": "taxpayer dollars to derisk all this"}, {"end": "00:35:29", "start": "00:35:26", "text": "technology. So the minute that they"}, {"end": "00:35:30", "start": "00:35:27", "text": "finished, they went created a small"}, {"end": "00:35:32", "start": "00:35:29", "text": "company called Siri and then Steve"}, {"end": "00:35:34", "start": "00:35:30", "text": "instantly bought them and brought them"}, {"end": "00:35:38", "start": "00:35:32", "text": "into the guts of Apple. So he was"}, {"end": "00:35:40", "start": "00:35:34", "text": "watching that and he knew roughly when"}, {"end": "00:35:42", "start": "00:35:38", "text": "to invest to bring an intelligent agent"}, {"end": "00:35:44", "start": "00:35:40", "text": "in. And uh every great entrepreneur has"}, {"end": "00:35:46", "start": "00:35:42", "text": "developed that sense. Uh it's the same"}, {"end": "00:35:48", "start": "00:35:44", "text": "for when you look at Larry Pageige at"}, {"end": "00:35:51", "start": "00:35:46", "text": "Google or you look at Sasha Nadella at"}, {"end": "00:35:54", "start": "00:35:48", "text": "uh at Microsoft today and he just knows"}, {"end": "00:35:57", "start": "00:35:51", "text": "when to cut it, when to invest in it."}, {"end": "00:36:00", "start": "00:35:54", "text": "Wow. When do when do you think that um"}, {"end": "00:36:01", "start": "00:35:57", "text": "when do you think that the what's the"}, {"end": "00:36:02", "start": "00:36:00", "text": "name of the plant company? I'm not going"}, {"end": "00:36:04", "start": "00:36:01", "text": "to say it yet. When do you think that"}, {"end": "00:36:05", "start": "00:36:02", "text": "will come out? Uh we'll probably have"}, {"end": "00:36:06", "start": "00:36:04", "text": "something by the end of the year. Who"}, {"end": "00:36:08", "start": "00:36:05", "text": "knows? You know, I've already probably"}, {"end": "00:36:10", "start": "00:36:06", "text": "said too much. I'm going get an angry"}, {"end": "00:36:11", "start": "00:36:08", "text": "phone call."}, {"end": "00:36:14", "start": "00:36:10", "text": "All right. It's like in Glorious"}, {"end": "00:36:16", "start": "00:36:11", "text": "Bastards. They're going to chew me out."}, {"end": "00:36:18", "start": "00:36:14", "text": "Well, we'll move on. I I do have a"}, {"end": "00:36:20", "start": "00:36:16", "text": "random question. You brought up quantum"}, {"end": "00:36:22", "start": "00:36:18", "text": "computing, and I wanted to get to this"}, {"end": "00:36:24", "start": "00:36:20", "text": "in a little bit, but we'll do it now"}, {"end": "00:36:25", "start": "00:36:22", "text": "since you brought it up. I mean, does"}, {"end": "00:36:27", "start": "00:36:24", "text": "does"}, {"end": "00:36:30", "start": "00:36:25", "text": "quantum computing"}, {"end": "00:36:34", "start": "00:36:27", "text": "would that make cryptocurrency"}, {"end": "00:36:36", "start": "00:36:30", "text": "irrelevant? No. No. So,"}, {"end": "00:36:40", "start": "00:36:34", "text": "basically, how a quantum computer works"}, {"end": "00:36:42", "start": "00:36:36", "text": "is um it's an augmentation of classical"}, {"end": "00:36:43", "start": "00:36:40", "text": "computing, not a replacement of it. So,"}, {"end": "00:36:45", "start": "00:36:42", "text": "the way I like to explain a quantum"}, {"end": "00:36:47", "start": "00:36:43", "text": "computer is imagine that you meet a"}, {"end": "00:36:48", "start": "00:36:45", "text": "really hot girl and she wants to give"}, {"end": "00:36:49", "start": "00:36:47", "text": "you her number, but she's kind of a"}, {"end": "00:36:52", "start": "00:36:48", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] So, she's like, \"All right, I"}, {"end": "00:36:54", "start": "00:36:49", "text": "wrote my number in this library over"}, {"end": "00:36:55", "start": "00:36:52", "text": "there inside one of the books.\" You walk"}, {"end": "00:36:57", "start": "00:36:54", "text": "in the library, there's millions of"}, {"end": "00:36:59", "start": "00:36:55", "text": "books, and you're like, \"Oh, [\u00a0__\u00a0] you.\""}, {"end": "00:37:00", "start": "00:36:57", "text": "So, she's legit. She wrote her number in"}, {"end": "00:37:03", "start": "00:36:59", "text": "there, but like, how do you find the"}, {"end": "00:37:04", "start": "00:37:00", "text": "number? So, a classical computer, how"}, {"end": "00:37:06", "start": "00:37:03", "text": "that would work is that you would just"}, {"end": "00:37:08", "start": "00:37:04", "text": "start at one of the bookshelves, you"}, {"end": "00:37:09", "start": "00:37:06", "text": "take each book off, and you flip through"}, {"end": "00:37:11", "start": "00:37:08", "text": "all the pages and see if you find the"}, {"end": "00:37:12", "start": "00:37:09", "text": "number. Now, if you want to speed it up,"}, {"end": "00:37:14", "start": "00:37:11", "text": "there's two ways you can speed it up."}, {"end": "00:37:16", "start": "00:37:12", "text": "You can speed it up se sequentially,"}, {"end": "00:37:18", "start": "00:37:14", "text": "meaning that you speed up the rate at"}, {"end": "00:37:20", "start": "00:37:16", "text": "which you flip through the books or in"}, {"end": "00:37:21", "start": "00:37:18", "text": "parallel. And in parallel, you get your"}, {"end": "00:37:23", "start": "00:37:20", "text": "friends to go and help look through. So"}, {"end": "00:37:25", "start": "00:37:21", "text": "maybe you have five guys come and say"}, {"end": "00:37:26", "start": "00:37:23", "text": "you and five other guys are flipping"}, {"end": "00:37:28", "start": "00:37:25", "text": "through books. Now you have six cores"}, {"end": "00:37:29", "start": "00:37:26", "text": "running. And if you want to"}, {"end": "00:37:31", "start": "00:37:28", "text": "sequentially, that's your clock rate."}, {"end": "00:37:33", "start": "00:37:29", "text": "You speed it up. So for a long long time"}, {"end": "00:37:36", "start": "00:37:31", "text": "since the 30s when we first started"}, {"end": "00:37:38", "start": "00:37:33", "text": "talking about these things to today"}, {"end": "00:37:40", "start": "00:37:36", "text": "that's been the paradigm of computing is"}, {"end": "00:37:42", "start": "00:37:38", "text": "either speed up the clock rate or make"}, {"end": "00:37:44", "start": "00:37:40", "text": "it more parallel and find algorithms"}, {"end": "00:37:45", "start": "00:37:42", "text": "that can do that. Quantum computing is"}, {"end": "00:37:47", "start": "00:37:44", "text": "fundamentally different. What it does is"}, {"end": "00:37:48", "start": "00:37:45", "text": "it says okay here's what we're going to"}, {"end": "00:37:50", "start": "00:37:47", "text": "do. We have three things. We're going to"}, {"end": "00:37:52", "start": "00:37:48", "text": "do superp position. So we're instead of"}, {"end": "00:37:53", "start": "00:37:50", "text": "looking for the books we're going to"}, {"end": "00:37:56", "start": "00:37:52", "text": "have this magical way of taking all the"}, {"end": "00:37:57", "start": "00:37:53", "text": "books off the shelves and put them in a"}, {"end": "00:38:00", "start": "00:37:56", "text": "superp position state. And then we have"}, {"end": "00:38:02", "start": "00:37:57", "text": "interference and entanglement. And these"}, {"end": "00:38:04", "start": "00:38:00", "text": "properties allow us to relatively"}, {"end": "00:38:08", "start": "00:38:02", "text": "speaking know the location, the rough"}, {"end": "00:38:10", "start": "00:38:04", "text": "location of where that book is. Then"}, {"end": "00:38:12", "start": "00:38:08", "text": "we'll put them all back on the shelves,"}, {"end": "00:38:14", "start": "00:38:10", "text": "but the area that has the number, we're"}, {"end": "00:38:16", "start": "00:38:12", "text": "going to pull those books out slightly."}, {"end": "00:38:18", "start": "00:38:14", "text": "So, you still have to do the classical"}, {"end": "00:38:19", "start": "00:38:16", "text": "thing. You still have to go and open the"}, {"end": "00:38:21", "start": "00:38:18", "text": "book and read through the pages, but now"}, {"end": "00:38:22", "start": "00:38:19", "text": "instead of blindly going through and"}, {"end": "00:38:25", "start": "00:38:21", "text": "looking at all the different"}, {"end": "00:38:27", "start": "00:38:22", "text": "possibilities, you know the rough area"}, {"end": "00:38:28", "start": "00:38:25", "text": "that you want to go to. So you go over"}, {"end": "00:38:30", "start": "00:38:27", "text": "there and you pull that book off and lo"}, {"end": "00:38:33", "start": "00:38:28", "text": "and behold the numbers there getting"}, {"end": "00:38:35", "start": "00:38:30", "text": "laid. Congratulations, life is good, you"}, {"end": "00:38:38", "start": "00:38:33", "text": "know. So, so, so that's quantum"}, {"end": "00:38:41", "start": "00:38:35", "text": "computing in a nutshell. And and and if"}, {"end": "00:38:44", "start": "00:38:38", "text": "you look at a lot of things that we do,"}, {"end": "00:38:47", "start": "00:38:41", "text": "you are trying in computing to stumble"}, {"end": "00:38:48", "start": "00:38:44", "text": "upon the right answer like flight"}, {"end": "00:38:50", "start": "00:38:47", "text": "scheduling. You're like, well, how do I"}, {"end": "00:38:52", "start": "00:38:48", "text": "figure out this flight so that I can"}, {"end": "00:38:55", "start": "00:38:50", "text": "have a layover of this property in"}, {"end": "00:38:56", "start": "00:38:52", "text": "Atlanta and this this and this? But"}, {"end": "00:38:59", "start": "00:38:55", "text": "there's all these other things going on"}, {"end": "00:39:01", "start": "00:38:56", "text": "and and it turns out it's like an NP"}, {"end": "00:39:02", "start": "00:38:59", "text": "problem. It's super hard to actually"}, {"end": "00:39:03", "start": "00:39:01", "text": "schedule a flight. But if you have a"}, {"end": "00:39:05", "start": "00:39:02", "text": "quantum computer, it can kind of look at"}, {"end": "00:39:06", "start": "00:39:03", "text": "all the art of the possible and at least"}, {"end": "00:39:08", "start": "00:39:05", "text": "give you a sense of where a"}, {"end": "00:39:10", "start": "00:39:06", "text": "probabilistic minimum is. So the"}, {"end": "00:39:12", "start": "00:39:08", "text": "minimize the layover time or whatever"}, {"end": "00:39:15", "start": "00:39:10", "text": "your objective is. Or in the case of"}, {"end": "00:39:16", "start": "00:39:12", "text": "large language models like chat, GPT or"}, {"end": "00:39:18", "start": "00:39:15", "text": "any of these AI things, what you'll do"}, {"end": "00:39:20", "start": "00:39:16", "text": "is you'll say okay well there's outputs"}, {"end": "00:39:21", "start": "00:39:18", "text": "that come out of these models. Well,"}, {"end": "00:39:23", "start": "00:39:20", "text": "which one of the outputs is the right"}, {"end": "00:39:25", "start": "00:39:21", "text": "output? You'll ask it a question. and"}, {"end": "00:39:27", "start": "00:39:23", "text": "you'll be like, uh, you know, I need to"}, {"end": "00:39:28", "start": "00:39:25", "text": "know, I'm going to be in DC for the"}, {"end": "00:39:30", "start": "00:39:27", "text": "weekend, uh, and here are all my"}, {"end": "00:39:33", "start": "00:39:28", "text": "parameters and I'm looking for a good"}, {"end": "00:39:35", "start": "00:39:30", "text": "restaurant, uh, and which one's a good"}, {"end": "00:39:37", "start": "00:39:33", "text": "one? And so they'll have maybe 50"}, {"end": "00:39:38", "start": "00:39:35", "text": "recommendations that come through. And"}, {"end": "00:39:41", "start": "00:39:37", "text": "some are obviously wrong, like one's in"}, {"end": "00:39:42", "start": "00:39:38", "text": "Virginia, or one's in Maryland or"}, {"end": "00:39:44", "start": "00:39:41", "text": "something, and one's really in DC, but"}, {"end": "00:39:46", "start": "00:39:42", "text": "it's too expensive or something like"}, {"end": "00:39:48", "start": "00:39:44", "text": "that. So ordinarily, what you'd have to"}, {"end": "00:39:49", "start": "00:39:46", "text": "do is you'd have to create some sort of"}, {"end": "00:39:51", "start": "00:39:48", "text": "system that's intelligent to look"}, {"end": "00:39:52", "start": "00:39:49", "text": "through all those different things. And"}, {"end": "00:39:54", "start": "00:39:51", "text": "a human being has to write that a"}, {"end": "00:39:56", "start": "00:39:52", "text": "program or you personally have to look"}, {"end": "00:39:57", "start": "00:39:54", "text": "at the outputs and say oh that's wrong"}, {"end": "00:39:59", "start": "00:39:56", "text": "and that's wrong. Well the quantum"}, {"end": "00:40:00", "start": "00:39:57", "text": "computer you basically get to look at"}, {"end": "00:40:02", "start": "00:39:59", "text": "all the outputs just like all the books"}, {"end": "00:40:05", "start": "00:40:00", "text": "at the same time and then it can show"}, {"end": "00:40:06", "start": "00:40:02", "text": "you which one of those answers is right."}, {"end": "00:40:08", "start": "00:40:05", "text": "Remember it could be millions of them."}, {"end": "00:40:10", "start": "00:40:06", "text": "It's the cubit range. And so you know"}, {"end": "00:40:13", "start": "00:40:08", "text": "once you start getting up in cubits you"}, {"end": "00:40:14", "start": "00:40:10", "text": "can do it's arbitrarily many like and so"}, {"end": "00:40:16", "start": "00:40:13", "text": "what this does is it gives you the"}, {"end": "00:40:19", "start": "00:40:14", "text": "ability to have a large language model"}, {"end": "00:40:21", "start": "00:40:16", "text": "that's exponentially better than a large"}, {"end": "00:40:23", "start": "00:40:19", "text": "language model that we have today. Um"}, {"end": "00:40:26", "start": "00:40:21", "text": "and it gets really crazy when you start"}, {"end": "00:40:28", "start": "00:40:23", "text": "stacking modalities like Microsoft has a"}, {"end": "00:40:30", "start": "00:40:26", "text": "technology called Matternet and it's a"}, {"end": "00:40:32", "start": "00:40:28", "text": "simulation framework. It's almost like"}, {"end": "00:40:34", "start": "00:40:30", "text": "reality builder where you just tell it"}, {"end": "00:40:36", "start": "00:40:32", "text": "what properties you want. Like I want a"}, {"end": "00:40:38", "start": "00:40:34", "text": "battery and I want these properties and"}, {"end": "00:40:40", "start": "00:40:36", "text": "it basically gives you a recipe for how"}, {"end": "00:40:41", "start": "00:40:38", "text": "to make that molecularly. But the"}, {"end": "00:40:43", "start": "00:40:40", "text": "problem is that the simulation breaks"}, {"end": "00:40:46", "start": "00:40:41", "text": "down after you start modeling maybe 20"}, {"end": "00:40:47", "start": "00:40:43", "text": "30 electrons. Uh so with a quantum"}, {"end": "00:40:48", "start": "00:40:46", "text": "computer it doesn't have that"}, {"end": "00:40:50", "start": "00:40:47", "text": "limitation. You can look at many many"}, {"end": "00:40:52", "start": "00:40:48", "text": "many different bonding paths and things."}, {"end": "00:40:55", "start": "00:40:50", "text": "So it literally can print out how to"}, {"end": "00:40:57", "start": "00:40:52", "text": "make that material that's magical. And"}, {"end": "00:40:59", "start": "00:40:55", "text": "so you could start talking about like"}, {"end": "00:41:01", "start": "00:40:57", "text": "let's say I want a Blackhawk helicopter"}, {"end": "00:41:02", "start": "00:40:59", "text": "and and I want the skin to have what's"}, {"end": "00:41:04", "start": "00:41:01", "text": "called a negative refractory index"}, {"end": "00:41:07", "start": "00:41:02", "text": "material so it can go invisible and and"}, {"end": "00:41:08", "start": "00:41:04", "text": "I want it to be light but super strong"}, {"end": "00:41:11", "start": "00:41:07", "text": "and I want it to be self-healing so if I"}, {"end": "00:41:12", "start": "00:41:08", "text": "run an electrical current the the the"}, {"end": "00:41:14", "start": "00:41:11", "text": "stress fractures heal themselves so I"}, {"end": "00:41:16", "start": "00:41:12", "text": "don't have to replace the airframe. And"}, {"end": "00:41:19", "start": "00:41:14", "text": "then also I want it to be non-newtonian"}, {"end": "00:41:20", "start": "00:41:16", "text": "so that it's uh soft but when it gets"}, {"end": "00:41:22", "start": "00:41:19", "text": "hit by a bullet it gets super hard like"}, {"end": "00:41:24", "start": "00:41:20", "text": "a football helmet or something like"}, {"end": "00:41:26", "start": "00:41:22", "text": "that. and it'll tell you literally the"}, {"end": "00:41:29", "start": "00:41:24", "text": "recipe for how to make that strange"}, {"end": "00:41:30", "start": "00:41:26", "text": "exotic alloy, you know, with all these"}, {"end": "00:41:32", "start": "00:41:29", "text": "different properties. You can't do that"}, {"end": "00:41:34", "start": "00:41:30", "text": "with a classical computer because"}, {"end": "00:41:36", "start": "00:41:32", "text": "there's there's too many possibilities"}, {"end": "00:41:38", "start": "00:41:34", "text": "and it's like a library with more books"}, {"end": "00:41:39", "start": "00:41:36", "text": "than the time in the universe to look"}, {"end": "00:41:41", "start": "00:41:38", "text": "at. But with a quantum computer, it can"}, {"end": "00:41:43", "start": "00:41:39", "text": "look at all of them at the same time."}, {"end": "00:41:45", "start": "00:41:41", "text": "So, it'll tell you the path to get to"}, {"end": "00:41:47", "start": "00:41:43", "text": "that and the specific recipe. Because"}, {"end": "00:41:49", "start": "00:41:45", "text": "right now, how we figure it out is just"}, {"end": "00:41:51", "start": "00:41:47", "text": "math and trial and error. 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Or like a battery, you know, I"}, {"end": "00:42:06", "start": "00:42:03", "text": "want it to have a high energy density"}, {"end": "00:42:08", "start": "00:42:04", "text": "and I want it to be very light and I"}, {"end": "00:42:10", "start": "00:42:06", "text": "want it to charge really fast and I want"}, {"end": "00:42:12", "start": "00:42:08", "text": "it to be recyclable and be made out of"}, {"end": "00:42:13", "start": "00:42:10", "text": "non- rare earth materials because China"}, {"end": "00:42:14", "start": "00:42:12", "text": "owns all those and they're screwing us."}, {"end": "00:42:17", "start": "00:42:13", "text": "Like I want to be able to make it"}, {"end": "00:42:19", "start": "00:42:14", "text": "domestically in America. That's a very"}, {"end": "00:42:22", "start": "00:42:17", "text": "rare intersection point of trade-offs."}, {"end": "00:42:23", "start": "00:42:19", "text": "And so, what material would you need to"}, {"end": "00:42:24", "start": "00:42:22", "text": "be able to do something like that? So,"}, {"end": "00:42:26", "start": "00:42:23", "text": "when you blend these two things"}, {"end": "00:42:27", "start": "00:42:24", "text": "together, it's just going to create a"}, {"end": "00:42:29", "start": "00:42:26", "text": "golden age. We're we're going to be able"}, {"end": "00:42:30", "start": "00:42:27", "text": "to do things that are incredible. How"}, {"end": "00:42:32", "start": "00:42:29", "text": "close are we to that, do you think?"}, {"end": "00:42:34", "start": "00:42:30", "text": "Well, yeah. And the Sorry, I was on a"}, {"end": "00:42:35", "start": "00:42:32", "text": "tangent there, but um you asked a"}, {"end": "00:42:37", "start": "00:42:34", "text": "specific question like will that kill"}, {"end": "00:42:39", "start": "00:42:35", "text": "the cryptocurrency industry? So in"}, {"end": "00:42:42", "start": "00:42:37", "text": "addition to these magical things that"}, {"end": "00:42:44", "start": "00:42:39", "text": "quantum computers can do, the defense"}, {"end": "00:42:48", "start": "00:42:42", "text": "issue is that most of the cryptography"}, {"end": "00:42:50", "start": "00:42:44", "text": "public key cryptography that we use has"}, {"end": "00:42:52", "start": "00:42:48", "text": "two parts to it. A public part and a"}, {"end": "00:42:53", "start": "00:42:50", "text": "private part. And the public part you"}, {"end": "00:42:55", "start": "00:42:52", "text": "give it to everybody. And the private"}, {"end": "00:42:57", "start": "00:42:53", "text": "part you have. So in cryptocurrencies"}, {"end": "00:42:58", "start": "00:42:55", "text": "you have private key and a public key."}, {"end": "00:43:01", "start": "00:42:57", "text": "Public key is where I pay you. And the"}, {"end": "00:43:04", "start": "00:42:58", "text": "private key is you know what I use to"}, {"end": "00:43:05", "start": "00:43:01", "text": "authorize a payment. So the challenge is"}, {"end": "00:43:09", "start": "00:43:04", "text": "that all the math that's behind it in"}, {"end": "00:43:10", "start": "00:43:05", "text": "the classical sense I it only works as"}, {"end": "00:43:11", "start": "00:43:09", "text": "long as you don't have a quantum"}, {"end": "00:43:12", "start": "00:43:10", "text": "computer. If you have a quantum"}, {"end": "00:43:14", "start": "00:43:11", "text": "computer, you have things like Rover's"}, {"end": "00:43:16", "start": "00:43:12", "text": "algorithm and shores algorithm and these"}, {"end": "00:43:19", "start": "00:43:14", "text": "things. And these gigab brains at MIT"}, {"end": "00:43:22", "start": "00:43:16", "text": "were basically able to show how to use"}, {"end": "00:43:24", "start": "00:43:19", "text": "this librarian book trick to find your"}, {"end": "00:43:25", "start": "00:43:22", "text": "private key inside the system because"}, {"end": "00:43:27", "start": "00:43:24", "text": "you can't find it normally. It'd be like"}, {"end": "00:43:29", "start": "00:43:25", "text": "looking for that phone number and going"}, {"end": "00:43:31", "start": "00:43:27", "text": "through book after book after book. So"}, {"end": "00:43:32", "start": "00:43:29", "text": "the question is, are we done? No."}, {"end": "00:43:34", "start": "00:43:31", "text": "because it turns out that there's"}, {"end": "00:43:36", "start": "00:43:32", "text": "algorithms that are not susceptible to"}, {"end": "00:43:39", "start": "00:43:34", "text": "this. They're called postquantum"}, {"end": "00:43:41", "start": "00:43:36", "text": "cryptography. Um so the challenge in why"}, {"end": "00:43:43", "start": "00:43:39", "text": "the cryptocurrency industry has not"}, {"end": "00:43:47", "start": "00:43:41", "text": "adopted them is kind of twofold. One is"}, {"end": "00:43:49", "start": "00:43:43", "text": "that they're new and highly inefficient."}, {"end": "00:43:51", "start": "00:43:47", "text": "So in many cases to use a postquantum"}, {"end": "00:43:54", "start": "00:43:49", "text": "algorithm the key sizes are 10 to 100"}, {"end": "00:43:56", "start": "00:43:51", "text": "times greater and it's much more"}, {"end": "00:43:58", "start": "00:43:54", "text": "computationally intensive. And also"}, {"end": "00:44:01", "start": "00:43:56", "text": "because they're new, they have not been"}, {"end": "00:44:02", "start": "00:43:58", "text": "mathematically rigorously tested as as"}, {"end": "00:44:04", "start": "00:44:01", "text": "well as they need to be. RSA, which is"}, {"end": "00:44:06", "start": "00:44:02", "text": "the backbone of the security of the"}, {"end": "00:44:08", "start": "00:44:04", "text": "internet, was invented in the 70s and we"}, {"end": "00:44:10", "start": "00:44:06", "text": "still use it today. So there's like 50"}, {"end": "00:44:13", "start": "00:44:08", "text": "years of asset tests and hardcore"}, {"end": "00:44:15", "start": "00:44:10", "text": "analysis that's been done. Elliptic"}, {"end": "00:44:16", "start": "00:44:13", "text": "curve cryptography came out in the 80s"}, {"end": "00:44:18", "start": "00:44:15", "text": "uh by a friend of mine uh Neil Kovitz"}, {"end": "00:44:20", "start": "00:44:16", "text": "and he wrote this lovely paper called"}, {"end": "00:44:21", "start": "00:44:18", "text": "the serpentine path of elliptic curve"}, {"end": "00:44:23", "start": "00:44:20", "text": "crypto where even though he invented in"}, {"end": "00:44:25", "start": "00:44:21", "text": "the 80s it didn't take off until the"}, {"end": "00:44:27", "start": "00:44:23", "text": "2000s because it took him more than 15"}, {"end": "00:44:29", "start": "00:44:25", "text": "years to convince people that it was"}, {"end": "00:44:31", "start": "00:44:27", "text": "secure and uh he had to do all this work"}, {"end": "00:44:33", "start": "00:44:29", "text": "and all this lobbying and these types of"}, {"end": "00:44:35", "start": "00:44:31", "text": "things. So cryptography they tend to be"}, {"end": "00:44:38", "start": "00:44:33", "text": "professionally paranoid by design and so"}, {"end": "00:44:40", "start": "00:44:35", "text": "they they they very very slowly roll out"}, {"end": "00:44:42", "start": "00:44:38", "text": "these things and the other side is"}, {"end": "00:44:44", "start": "00:44:40", "text": "standardization. So even if you have a"}, {"end": "00:44:46", "start": "00:44:42", "text": "brilliant idea, you never want to"}, {"end": "00:44:48", "start": "00:44:44", "text": "implement a non-standard piece of"}, {"end": "00:44:50", "start": "00:44:46", "text": "cryptography because you'll get screwed"}, {"end": "00:44:53", "start": "00:44:48", "text": "by the hardware manufacturers. So when"}, {"end": "00:44:54", "start": "00:44:50", "text": "you look at your phone or your computer,"}, {"end": "00:44:57", "start": "00:44:53", "text": "the chips inside of them actually have"}, {"end": "00:44:58", "start": "00:44:54", "text": "specialized circuitry for crypto that"}, {"end": "00:45:03", "start": "00:44:57", "text": "the Department of Commerce through NIST"}, {"end": "00:45:04", "start": "00:44:58", "text": "standardizes. So AES and uh RSA and"}, {"end": "00:45:06", "start": "00:45:03", "text": "certain elliptic curves and these"}, {"end": "00:45:08", "start": "00:45:04", "text": "things, there's actual acceleration and"}, {"end": "00:45:10", "start": "00:45:06", "text": "in hardware it'll run 100 times faster."}, {"end": "00:45:11", "start": "00:45:08", "text": "So if you pick a non-standard thing and"}, {"end": "00:45:12", "start": "00:45:10", "text": "you're just running on software, you're"}, {"end": "00:45:15", "start": "00:45:11", "text": "100 times slower than your competition"}, {"end": "00:45:16", "start": "00:45:12", "text": "that picks a standard thing. So you have"}, {"end": "00:45:18", "start": "00:45:15", "text": "to wait for NIST to standardize"}, {"end": "00:45:19", "start": "00:45:16", "text": "something. And the good news is they"}, {"end": "00:45:21", "start": "00:45:18", "text": "did. We worked with them alongside"}, {"end": "00:45:22", "start": "00:45:19", "text": "dozens of other cryptographic groups"}, {"end": "00:45:23", "start": "00:45:21", "text": "because we have one of the largest"}, {"end": "00:45:26", "start": "00:45:22", "text": "research groups for cryptography. We"}, {"end": "00:45:28", "start": "00:45:23", "text": "have 168 scientists we work with in labs"}, {"end": "00:45:30", "start": "00:45:26", "text": "at Stanford and CMU and and uh"}, {"end": "00:45:33", "start": "00:45:28", "text": "University of Edinburgh and so forth."}, {"end": "00:45:35", "start": "00:45:30", "text": "And they wrote FIPS 203, 204, 205, and"}, {"end": "00:45:37", "start": "00:45:33", "text": "206 which are standards for postquantum"}, {"end": "00:45:39", "start": "00:45:35", "text": "crypto both on the hash and lattis side."}, {"end": "00:45:40", "start": "00:45:37", "text": "And now that we have them, the hardware"}, {"end": "00:45:42", "start": "00:45:39", "text": "manufacturers are going to create"}, {"end": "00:45:44", "start": "00:45:40", "text": "specialized circuits for those to"}, {"end": "00:45:46", "start": "00:45:42", "text": "accelerate them. And now that they're"}, {"end": "00:45:47", "start": "00:45:44", "text": "there, we can upgrade crypto to have"}, {"end": "00:45:49", "start": "00:45:46", "text": "those capabilities. And what's really"}, {"end": "00:45:51", "start": "00:45:47", "text": "exciting is in many cases, these are"}, {"end": "00:45:54", "start": "00:45:49", "text": "going to actually add just not just"}, {"end": "00:45:55", "start": "00:45:51", "text": "security, but in many cases acceleration"}, {"end": "00:45:57", "start": "00:45:54", "text": "because in particular the lattice stuff"}, {"end": "00:45:59", "start": "00:45:55", "text": "can be accelerated on graphics cards. So"}, {"end": "00:46:02", "start": "00:45:57", "text": "everything that people are doing for uh"}, {"end": "00:46:04", "start": "00:45:59", "text": "AI to make AI faster can be used to make"}, {"end": "00:46:05", "start": "00:46:02", "text": "crypto faster. So it's going to be a"}, {"end": "00:46:06", "start": "00:46:04", "text": "golden age actually. We'll be able to"}, {"end": "00:46:08", "start": "00:46:05", "text": "take a lot of these sequential"}, {"end": "00:46:09", "start": "00:46:06", "text": "algorithms and make them very parallel"}, {"end": "00:46:11", "start": "00:46:08", "text": "in the design. But cryptography is"}, {"end": "00:46:13", "start": "00:46:09", "text": "always a game of cat and mouse. If you"}, {"end": "00:46:15", "start": "00:46:11", "text": "ever go to England, you can go to"}, {"end": "00:46:16", "start": "00:46:13", "text": "Bletchley Park and it's a lovely tour."}, {"end": "00:46:19", "start": "00:46:15", "text": "It's a it's where the first computer was"}, {"end": "00:46:21", "start": "00:46:16", "text": "built, the bomb by Alan Turring. And uh"}, {"end": "00:46:23", "start": "00:46:19", "text": "the Nazis, they had this thing called"}, {"end": "00:46:25", "start": "00:46:21", "text": "the Enigma machine and it was basically"}, {"end": "00:46:26", "start": "00:46:23", "text": "this little black box with a keypad on"}, {"end": "00:46:28", "start": "00:46:25", "text": "it and they put a wheel in it and they'd"}, {"end": "00:46:31", "start": "00:46:26", "text": "have a setting for the day and they"}, {"end": "00:46:32", "start": "00:46:28", "text": "could use it to encrypt messages and"}, {"end": "00:46:34", "start": "00:46:31", "text": "then they would transmit it and then"}, {"end": "00:46:36", "start": "00:46:32", "text": "somebody would have that setting and"}, {"end": "00:46:38", "start": "00:46:34", "text": "enigma machine on the other side and"}, {"end": "00:46:40", "start": "00:46:36", "text": "then they would decrypt the message."}, {"end": "00:46:42", "start": "00:46:38", "text": "Well, what the Allies did is they"}, {"end": "00:46:44", "start": "00:46:40", "text": "figured out how to use computers to"}, {"end": "00:46:46", "start": "00:46:42", "text": "basically break those codes. And so if"}, {"end": "00:46:48", "start": "00:46:44", "text": "you go to Bletchley Park, you can"}, {"end": "00:46:50", "start": "00:46:46", "text": "actually see a reconstructed bomb and"}, {"end": "00:46:52", "start": "00:46:48", "text": "they tell you the story of how like Alan"}, {"end": "00:46:54", "start": "00:46:50", "text": "Turing and these other guys figured it"}, {"end": "00:46:55", "start": "00:46:52", "text": "out. Well, now that they had computers,"}, {"end": "00:46:59", "start": "00:46:54", "text": "people use computers to make better"}, {"end": "00:47:01", "start": "00:46:55", "text": "cryptography and then they use computers"}, {"end": "00:47:03", "start": "00:46:59", "text": "to break that cryptography. And so it's"}, {"end": "00:47:05", "start": "00:47:01", "text": "it's always 10 20 years there's like a"}, {"end": "00:47:06", "start": "00:47:03", "text": "thing and then the next thing and then a"}, {"end": "00:47:08", "start": "00:47:05", "text": "thing and then the next thing. It's just"}, {"end": "00:47:11", "start": "00:47:06", "text": "like warfare in general. You know, if"}, {"end": "00:47:13", "start": "00:47:08", "text": "you invent a plane, well, somebody"}, {"end": "00:47:15", "start": "00:47:11", "text": "creates a countermeasure to the plane"}, {"end": "00:47:17", "start": "00:47:13", "text": "and then they create a plane that avoids"}, {"end": "00:47:18", "start": "00:47:15", "text": "that countermeasure, you know, and you"}, {"end": "00:47:22", "start": "00:47:17", "text": "you you never stop. You just keep"}, {"end": "00:47:22", "start": "00:47:18", "text": "getting more advanced with it."}, {"end": "00:47:27", "start": "00:47:23", "text": "How far out do you think we are from"}, {"end": "00:47:29", "start": "00:47:24", "text": "this? Well, the problem with quantum"}, {"end": "00:47:32", "start": "00:47:27", "text": "computing is the paradigm is not set."}, {"end": "00:47:33", "start": "00:47:29", "text": "Um, there are many different approaches"}, {"end": "00:47:36", "start": "00:47:32", "text": "you can take to build a quantum"}, {"end": "00:47:38", "start": "00:47:33", "text": "computer. you know, it's ion trap and uh"}, {"end": "00:47:40", "start": "00:47:36", "text": "quantum topological quantum computers."}, {"end": "00:47:42", "start": "00:47:38", "text": "That's Majerana, what Microsoft did,"}, {"end": "00:47:45", "start": "00:47:40", "text": "which is so [\u00a0__\u00a0] crazy. My favorite"}, {"end": "00:47:46", "start": "00:47:42", "text": "is optical quantum computers, Xanadu and"}, {"end": "00:47:47", "start": "00:47:45", "text": "these other guys work on it. So there's"}, {"end": "00:47:49", "start": "00:47:46", "text": "a lot of great companies, but they're"}, {"end": "00:47:51", "start": "00:47:47", "text": "fundamentally different. Like some use"}, {"end": "00:47:53", "start": "00:47:49", "text": "the photon as their unit of computation."}, {"end": "00:47:55", "start": "00:47:51", "text": "Some use the electron and you know, some"}, {"end": "00:47:57", "start": "00:47:53", "text": "use subatomic particles called major"}, {"end": "00:47:59", "start": "00:47:55", "text": "firmians."}, {"end": "00:48:01", "start": "00:47:57", "text": "All these different things, somebody's"}, {"end": "00:48:03", "start": "00:47:59", "text": "going to crack it. And the hard part is"}, {"end": "00:48:05", "start": "00:48:01", "text": "not the compute side, it's the error"}, {"end": "00:48:07", "start": "00:48:03", "text": "correction. The problem with quantum"}, {"end": "00:48:09", "start": "00:48:05", "text": "computing is that state of superposition"}, {"end": "00:48:11", "start": "00:48:07", "text": "and entanglement is extremely delicate"}, {"end": "00:48:13", "start": "00:48:09", "text": "and so delicate that any perturbation of"}, {"end": "00:48:16", "start": "00:48:11", "text": "it can create a cascading failure in the"}, {"end": "00:48:18", "start": "00:48:13", "text": "compute. So most of these things have to"}, {"end": "00:48:21", "start": "00:48:16", "text": "run at close to absolute zero. You have"}, {"end": "00:48:24", "start": "00:48:18", "text": "to cool them super super super cool and"}, {"end": "00:48:27", "start": "00:48:21", "text": "then you have to keep all the ambient"}, {"end": "00:48:29", "start": "00:48:24", "text": "environment as free of interference as"}, {"end": "00:48:32", "start": "00:48:27", "text": "possible. And then even still it the"}, {"end": "00:48:33", "start": "00:48:29", "text": "computation falls apart. So the biggest"}, {"end": "00:48:36", "start": "00:48:32", "text": "challenge in quantum computing is not"}, {"end": "00:48:39", "start": "00:48:33", "text": "scale like getting more cubits more more"}, {"end": "00:48:41", "start": "00:48:36", "text": "comput power. It's error correction. So"}, {"end": "00:48:43", "start": "00:48:39", "text": "how do you avoid errors from"}, {"end": "00:48:45", "start": "00:48:41", "text": "exponentially increasing and destroying"}, {"end": "00:48:48", "start": "00:48:43", "text": "the calculation and basically"}, {"end": "00:48:50", "start": "00:48:45", "text": "disentangling. So, uh, that's been the"}, {"end": "00:48:52", "start": "00:48:48", "text": "big focus and whether it be Google with"}, {"end": "00:48:55", "start": "00:48:50", "text": "Willow or what Microsoft just announced"}, {"end": "00:48:57", "start": "00:48:52", "text": "with Majerana, we're seeing very"}, {"end": "00:49:00", "start": "00:48:55", "text": "systematic progress in, uh, in every"}, {"end": "00:49:01", "start": "00:48:57", "text": "respect. There's a big national security"}, {"end": "00:49:04", "start": "00:49:00", "text": "issue though because while we can change"}, {"end": "00:49:07", "start": "00:49:01", "text": "cryptography, we and our adversaries do"}, {"end": "00:49:09", "start": "00:49:04", "text": "archive all the data. So, Bluffdale,"}, {"end": "00:49:11", "start": "00:49:07", "text": "Utah, the NSA has this gigantic facility"}, {"end": "00:49:13", "start": "00:49:09", "text": "and it's like yodabytes of storage and"}, {"end": "00:49:14", "start": "00:49:11", "text": "they just basically packet replicate the"}, {"end": "00:49:16", "start": "00:49:13", "text": "internet. They take all the encrypted"}, {"end": "00:49:18", "start": "00:49:14", "text": "traffic from China and Russia and other"}, {"end": "00:49:20", "start": "00:49:16", "text": "places and they just store it there"}, {"end": "00:49:21", "start": "00:49:18", "text": "because if you develop quantum computer"}, {"end": "00:49:25", "start": "00:49:20", "text": "because that was encrypted with"}, {"end": "00:49:28", "start": "00:49:21", "text": "classical compute you can decrypt it. So"}, {"end": "00:49:31", "start": "00:49:25", "text": "security is also how long do you need to"}, {"end": "00:49:33", "start": "00:49:28", "text": "keep the secret for you know so battle"}, {"end": "00:49:35", "start": "00:49:31", "text": "plans in World War II are probably great"}, {"end": "00:49:36", "start": "00:49:33", "text": "for historians but they have no national"}, {"end": "00:49:39", "start": "00:49:35", "text": "security implication because it's so"}, {"end": "00:49:41", "start": "00:49:36", "text": "long ago. But from something in GWAT,"}, {"end": "00:49:42", "start": "00:49:39", "text": "it's still probably relevant today"}, {"end": "00:49:44", "start": "00:49:41", "text": "because that's probably still being used"}, {"end": "00:49:46", "start": "00:49:42", "text": "today in the battlefield. And those"}, {"end": "00:49:49", "start": "00:49:44", "text": "systems are still around. So"}, {"end": "00:49:51", "start": "00:49:46", "text": "cryptography has to last a shelf life"}, {"end": "00:49:53", "start": "00:49:49", "text": "beyond just being broken today. It has"}, {"end": "00:49:57", "start": "00:49:51", "text": "to be maybe 30 years or 40 years and"}, {"end": "00:49:59", "start": "00:49:53", "text": "then it's no longer relevant. So uh the"}, {"end": "00:50:01", "start": "00:49:57", "text": "United States is getting more paranoid"}, {"end": "00:50:03", "start": "00:49:59", "text": "about this is which is why NIST has done"}, {"end": "00:50:05", "start": "00:50:01", "text": "this and the sweet A and sweet B"}, {"end": "00:50:07", "start": "00:50:03", "text": "protocol suites for both NSA and then"}, {"end": "00:50:09", "start": "00:50:05", "text": "the open one department of commerce are"}, {"end": "00:50:11", "start": "00:50:07", "text": "now recommending postquantum. So there's"}, {"end": "00:50:13", "start": "00:50:09", "text": "already a transition that's occurring to"}, {"end": "00:50:14", "start": "00:50:11", "text": "postquantum and we're seeing postquantum"}, {"end": "00:50:16", "start": "00:50:13", "text": "algorithms in the commercial side with"}, {"end": "00:50:18", "start": "00:50:14", "text": "like wire guard getting postquantum"}, {"end": "00:50:20", "start": "00:50:16", "text": "support. So if I had to guess I'd say"}, {"end": "00:50:23", "start": "00:50:18", "text": "probably the 2030s is when we'll start"}, {"end": "00:50:26", "start": "00:50:20", "text": "seeing quantumlike devices work their"}, {"end": "00:50:27", "start": "00:50:23", "text": "way into compute. And by the 2040s, I"}, {"end": "00:50:29", "start": "00:50:26", "text": "think there's a very strong possibility"}, {"end": "00:50:31", "start": "00:50:27", "text": "that we'll crack it. Now, this is a"}, {"end": "00:50:32", "start": "00:50:29", "text": "controversial viewpoint. There are some"}, {"end": "00:50:34", "start": "00:50:31", "text": "people who think quantum computers are"}, {"end": "00:50:36", "start": "00:50:32", "text": "still impossible and they can't work for"}, {"end": "00:50:37", "start": "00:50:34", "text": "a variety of deep theoretical reasons."}, {"end": "00:50:40", "start": "00:50:36", "text": "And there's other people think they will"}, {"end": "00:50:42", "start": "00:50:37", "text": "crack it, but it's like 2050 or 2060 or"}, {"end": "00:50:44", "start": "00:50:40", "text": "2070. Well, it's the same in AI. You"}, {"end": "00:50:46", "start": "00:50:42", "text": "know, you talk to AI researchers and"}, {"end": "00:50:48", "start": "00:50:44", "text": "some are like, \"Oh, well, 2027, you"}, {"end": "00:50:49", "start": "00:50:46", "text": "know, we'll have AGI and the computers"}, {"end": "00:50:51", "start": "00:50:48", "text": "will kill us all and Terminators"}, {"end": "00:50:53", "start": "00:50:49", "text": "forever.\" And there's other people like"}, {"end": "00:50:54", "start": "00:50:51", "text": "Yan Lun are like, \"Oh, the fundamental"}, {"end": "00:50:56", "start": "00:50:53", "text": "model is wrong. we need a world model."}, {"end": "00:50:58", "start": "00:50:54", "text": "We're still a long way off from that. So"}, {"end": "00:50:59", "start": "00:50:56", "text": "maybe the 2030s or 2040s and there's"}, {"end": "00:51:04", "start": "00:50:58", "text": "other people say it's never going to"}, {"end": "00:51:05", "start": "00:50:59", "text": "happen like uh you know um Fitio Fagen"}, {"end": "00:51:07", "start": "00:51:04", "text": "or any of these other guys who invented"}, {"end": "00:51:09", "start": "00:51:05", "text": "the microprocessor because he says uh"}, {"end": "00:51:12", "start": "00:51:07", "text": "cognition is fundamentally different"}, {"end": "00:51:15", "start": "00:51:09", "text": "than how we do vano architecture"}, {"end": "00:51:18", "start": "00:51:12", "text": "computing. So uh it's just it lives in a"}, {"end": "00:51:21", "start": "00:51:15", "text": "different world. Um so so any expert"}, {"end": "00:51:23", "start": "00:51:18", "text": "you'll always find like 45 opinions on"}, {"end": "00:51:25", "start": "00:51:21", "text": "these things but I always look as an"}, {"end": "00:51:27", "start": "00:51:23", "text": "entrepreneur at who's investing how much"}, {"end": "00:51:29", "start": "00:51:25", "text": "money are they putting in how many"}, {"end": "00:51:32", "start": "00:51:27", "text": "alternative approaches are we following"}, {"end": "00:51:34", "start": "00:51:29", "text": "uh and ultimately what's the payoff of"}, {"end": "00:51:36", "start": "00:51:32", "text": "success if your payoff of success is you"}, {"end": "00:51:37", "start": "00:51:34", "text": "have like a reality machine with"}, {"end": "00:51:39", "start": "00:51:36", "text": "Matternet where you can just enter in"}, {"end": "00:51:40", "start": "00:51:37", "text": "what you want and it produces that thing"}, {"end": "00:51:42", "start": "00:51:39", "text": "well yeah a lot of people are going to"}, {"end": "00:51:44", "start": "00:51:40", "text": "chase that and as much the same with AI"}, {"end": "00:51:45", "start": "00:51:42", "text": "you know you could say well we need to"}, {"end": "00:51:47", "start": "00:51:44", "text": "slow down for alignment but you're like"}, {"end": "00:51:48", "start": "00:51:45", "text": "guys the first person to solve this"}, {"end": "00:51:50", "start": "00:51:47", "text": "problem, it's probably going to be a"}, {"end": "00:51:52", "start": "00:51:48", "text": "trillionaire. You're going to get every"}, {"end": "00:51:54", "start": "00:51:50", "text": "company in the world chasing that and"}, {"end": "00:51:56", "start": "00:51:52", "text": "investing in that. And if even if one of"}, {"end": "00:51:57", "start": "00:51:54", "text": "them voluntarily steps off the the"}, {"end": "00:52:00", "start": "00:51:56", "text": "thing, there's too much competition."}, {"end": "00:52:01", "start": "00:51:57", "text": "It's there's an inevitability behind it."}, {"end": "00:52:03", "start": "00:52:00", "text": "Just like the Manhattan project, they"}, {"end": "00:52:05", "start": "00:52:01", "text": "actually had not one but two different"}, {"end": "00:52:07", "start": "00:52:03", "text": "designs for the nuclear bomb. You know,"}, {"end": "00:52:09", "start": "00:52:05", "text": "the the little boy and fat man or"}, {"end": "00:52:11", "start": "00:52:07", "text": "whatever they were. And one was an"}, {"end": "00:52:13", "start": "00:52:09", "text": "implosion sphere, another was like a gun"}, {"end": "00:52:14", "start": "00:52:11", "text": "where it shoot something and hit. And"}, {"end": "00:52:16", "start": "00:52:13", "text": "they did this to d-risk the program"}, {"end": "00:52:17", "start": "00:52:14", "text": "because they didn't know which one was"}, {"end": "00:52:19", "start": "00:52:16", "text": "going to work. And it turned out both of"}, {"end": "00:52:20", "start": "00:52:17", "text": "them did. So the one in Nagasaki was the"}, {"end": "00:52:22", "start": "00:52:19", "text": "implosion device and the other was"}, {"end": "00:52:24", "start": "00:52:20", "text": "Hiroshima. But when you really want"}, {"end": "00:52:26", "start": "00:52:22", "text": "something to happen, you'll just throw"}, {"end": "00:52:28", "start": "00:52:24", "text": "lots of money, lots of people, and you"}, {"end": "00:52:30", "start": "00:52:26", "text": "have lots of approaches. So quantum"}, {"end": "00:52:32", "start": "00:52:28", "text": "computing is exactly the same way."}, {"end": "00:52:34", "start": "00:52:30", "text": "There's dozen or so different paradigms"}, {"end": "00:52:36", "start": "00:52:32", "text": "that you could follow. And there's many"}, {"end": "00:52:37", "start": "00:52:34", "text": "billions of dollars and many many"}, {"end": "00:52:39", "start": "00:52:36", "text": "companies that are chasing this thing."}, {"end": "00:52:41", "start": "00:52:37", "text": "So the odds of at least one of them"}, {"end": "00:52:42", "start": "00:52:39", "text": "turning out to actually work the way we"}, {"end": "00:52:44", "start": "00:52:41", "text": "think it's going to work is pretty high."}, {"end": "00:52:46", "start": "00:52:42", "text": "And the payoff is so large that people"}, {"end": "00:52:48", "start": "00:52:44", "text": "will continue to do this until they"}, {"end": "00:52:50", "start": "00:52:46", "text": "crack it. Do you think the US will be"}, {"end": "00:52:52", "start": "00:52:48", "text": "the first ones to crack it? We have a"}, {"end": "00:52:54", "start": "00:52:50", "text": "huge advantage in that we have a lot of"}, {"end": "00:52:56", "start": "00:52:52", "text": "the brains and people um and even if we"}, {"end": "00:52:57", "start": "00:52:54", "text": "don't, we tend to to buy them and bring"}, {"end": "00:52:59", "start": "00:52:56", "text": "them into the United States. Like"}, {"end": "00:53:01", "start": "00:52:57", "text": "Xanadu, for example, is the world leader"}, {"end": "00:53:02", "start": "00:52:59", "text": "in photonic quantum computing and"}, {"end": "00:53:04", "start": "00:53:01", "text": "they're based in Canada. But you know,"}, {"end": "00:53:05", "start": "00:53:02", "text": "if they actually solve this problem,"}, {"end": "00:53:07", "start": "00:53:04", "text": "they're probably going to end up as an"}, {"end": "00:53:08", "start": "00:53:05", "text": "American company. Somebody's going to"}, {"end": "00:53:10", "start": "00:53:07", "text": "give them an offer they uh they can't"}, {"end": "00:53:12", "start": "00:53:08", "text": "refuse. Um, you know, the other thing is"}, {"end": "00:53:15", "start": "00:53:10", "text": "that all the technologies that go into"}, {"end": "00:53:18", "start": "00:53:12", "text": "quantum computing, they are uh they're"}, {"end": "00:53:20", "start": "00:53:15", "text": "mostly areas where America excels. We're"}, {"end": "00:53:22", "start": "00:53:18", "text": "like super good at the science stuff,"}, {"end": "00:53:24", "start": "00:53:20", "text": "cooling things and super good at the"}, {"end": "00:53:27", "start": "00:53:22", "text": "very subtle environments that quantum"}, {"end": "00:53:29", "start": "00:53:24", "text": "computers require. So, we have a lead"}, {"end": "00:53:31", "start": "00:53:27", "text": "and it's a very strong lead, but by no"}, {"end": "00:53:33", "start": "00:53:29", "text": "means is China sitting back and by no"}, {"end": "00:53:34", "start": "00:53:31", "text": "means are the Europeans sitting back."}, {"end": "00:53:37", "start": "00:53:33", "text": "You know, everybody's chasing this in"}, {"end": "00:53:40", "start": "00:53:34", "text": "their own way. And a lead means you have"}, {"end": "00:53:41", "start": "00:53:37", "text": "maybe 6 months to two years. But look at"}, {"end": "00:53:43", "start": "00:53:40", "text": "the iPhone. It comes out, it's magical"}, {"end": "00:53:46", "start": "00:53:41", "text": "and amazing. But does it really feel"}, {"end": "00:53:47", "start": "00:53:43", "text": "magical and amazing anymore? Especially"}, {"end": "00:53:50", "start": "00:53:46", "text": "when you compare it to all the other"}, {"end": "00:53:52", "start": "00:53:47", "text": "competitors are there. It's unbelievable"}, {"end": "00:53:53", "start": "00:53:50", "text": "how fast that that happened. And you"}, {"end": "00:53:56", "start": "00:53:52", "text": "know, this is something where the payoff"}, {"end": "00:53:58", "start": "00:53:53", "text": "is exponentially higher."}, {"end": "00:54:00", "start": "00:53:56", "text": "Well,"}, {"end": "00:54:01", "start": "00:53:58", "text": "makes me makes me a little more"}, {"end": "00:54:03", "start": "00:54:00", "text": "comfortable knowing that we're in the"}, {"end": "00:54:07", "start": "00:54:01", "text": "lead. We don't get a lot of good news"}, {"end": "00:54:08", "start": "00:54:03", "text": "here, but um I love America. You know,"}, {"end": "00:54:12", "start": "00:54:07", "text": "our national slogan is we know we're"}, {"end": "00:54:14", "start": "00:54:08", "text": "working on it,"}, {"end": "00:54:16", "start": "00:54:12", "text": "but uh let's so let's get into your"}, {"end": "00:54:19", "start": "00:54:14", "text": "personal story here. Where did you grow"}, {"end": "00:54:21", "start": "00:54:16", "text": "up? I grew up in Hawaii of all places."}, {"end": "00:54:24", "start": "00:54:19", "text": "Like it's an odd place to be. So my dad"}, {"end": "00:54:25", "start": "00:54:21", "text": "grew up Montana and my mom grew up in"}, {"end": "00:54:29", "start": "00:54:24", "text": "Florida. She was in Winter Haven and my"}, {"end": "00:54:32", "start": "00:54:25", "text": "dad was out mile city uh and big timber."}, {"end": "00:54:35", "start": "00:54:29", "text": "And my dad's father, my grandfather, uh"}, {"end": "00:54:37", "start": "00:54:32", "text": "he was he became a doctor and and uh he"}, {"end": "00:54:39", "start": "00:54:35", "text": "was kind of an outdoor guy and he just"}, {"end": "00:54:41", "start": "00:54:37", "text": "loved the outdoors, but he hated the"}, {"end": "00:54:43", "start": "00:54:39", "text": "cold. And so when he was in residency,"}, {"end": "00:54:45", "start": "00:54:41", "text": "they said, \"Hey, would you like to do a"}, {"end": "00:54:46", "start": "00:54:43", "text": "residency down in Panama?\" And so he's,"}, {"end": "00:54:48", "start": "00:54:45", "text": "\"Oh, that sounds a lot of fun.\" So he"}, {"end": "00:54:51", "start": "00:54:46", "text": "went down for a few years to the Panama"}, {"end": "00:54:53", "start": "00:54:48", "text": "Canal Zone and did OBGYn residency down"}, {"end": "00:54:55", "start": "00:54:51", "text": "there and delivered tons of kids, but he"}, {"end": "00:54:56", "start": "00:54:53", "text": "got addicted to the tropical living. And"}, {"end": "00:54:58", "start": "00:54:55", "text": "so when he went back to Montana, he's"}, {"end": "00:55:01", "start": "00:54:56", "text": "like, \"God, this cold thing sucks. I I I"}, {"end": "00:55:02", "start": "00:54:58", "text": "I don't want to do this anymore. So, he"}, {"end": "00:55:04", "start": "00:55:01", "text": "said, \"You know what I'm going to do is"}, {"end": "00:55:05", "start": "00:55:02", "text": "I'm going to buy a practice in Hawaii."}, {"end": "00:55:07", "start": "00:55:04", "text": "That's that's what I'm going to do.\" So,"}, {"end": "00:55:09", "start": "00:55:05", "text": "in the ' 70s, a practice came up for"}, {"end": "00:55:11", "start": "00:55:07", "text": "sale and he he picked it up, moved to"}, {"end": "00:55:14", "start": "00:55:09", "text": "Maui, and uh my dad ended up going to"}, {"end": "00:55:16", "start": "00:55:11", "text": "high school in uh in Maui and uh we have"}, {"end": "00:55:18", "start": "00:55:14", "text": "very strong roots then in Hawaii. So, my"}, {"end": "00:55:21", "start": "00:55:16", "text": "father uh then went to college in"}, {"end": "00:55:23", "start": "00:55:18", "text": "Montana and then went back to Hawaii for"}, {"end": "00:55:25", "start": "00:55:21", "text": "medical school at University of Hawaii."}, {"end": "00:55:28", "start": "00:55:23", "text": "So, when he went to residency, he was in"}, {"end": "00:55:29", "start": "00:55:25", "text": "residency in Colorado and uh St. Joe's"}, {"end": "00:55:33", "start": "00:55:28", "text": "and that's where he met my mom. She was"}, {"end": "00:55:35", "start": "00:55:29", "text": "a respiratory therapist. So he uh when"}, {"end": "00:55:37", "start": "00:55:33", "text": "he finished residency decided to go"}, {"end": "00:55:39", "start": "00:55:35", "text": "start a private practice in Hawaii. So"}, {"end": "00:55:42", "start": "00:55:37", "text": "my brother was born in Colorado but then"}, {"end": "00:55:44", "start": "00:55:39", "text": "I ended up being born in uh in Maui. My"}, {"end": "00:55:47", "start": "00:55:42", "text": "grandfather ironically delivered me. So"}, {"end": "00:55:50", "start": "00:55:44", "text": "you know I know awkward red fellows but"}, {"end": "00:55:52", "start": "00:55:47", "text": "um Wow. But uh but anyway uh yeah, I"}, {"end": "00:55:54", "start": "00:55:50", "text": "grew up there until I was about eight"}, {"end": "00:55:57", "start": "00:55:52", "text": "years old. And then uh and my mother got"}, {"end": "00:55:58", "start": "00:55:54", "text": "tired of living in uh Hawaii. And she"}, {"end": "00:56:00", "start": "00:55:57", "text": "told my dad, \"I'm going to move back to"}, {"end": "00:56:02", "start": "00:55:58", "text": "Colorado and you can you can stay in"}, {"end": "00:56:03", "start": "00:56:00", "text": "Hawaii and be a single doctor or you can"}, {"end": "00:56:05", "start": "00:56:02", "text": "move to Colorado and be a married"}, {"end": "00:56:06", "start": "00:56:03", "text": "doctor. So, you know, take your choice.\""}, {"end": "00:56:09", "start": "00:56:05", "text": "My dad said, \"I like being married.\" So,"}, {"end": "00:56:11", "start": "00:56:06", "text": "I said, \"Go move to Colorado.\" And my"}, {"end": "00:56:13", "start": "00:56:09", "text": "mom's whole family is in Colorado. They"}, {"end": "00:56:15", "start": "00:56:11", "text": "uh my mother's father was in the cable"}, {"end": "00:56:17", "start": "00:56:13", "text": "business and he kind of followed the"}, {"end": "00:56:19", "start": "00:56:15", "text": "evolution of the cable business from the"}, {"end": "00:56:21", "start": "00:56:17", "text": "' 50s. He was a Marine and fought in the"}, {"end": "00:56:23", "start": "00:56:19", "text": "Korean War. So he signed up in 48 and"}, {"end": "00:56:25", "start": "00:56:21", "text": "got out in 52. And when he got out, he"}, {"end": "00:56:27", "start": "00:56:23", "text": "got a job as a lineman. And right around"}, {"end": "00:56:29", "start": "00:56:25", "text": "that time period, the cable business was"}, {"end": "00:56:31", "start": "00:56:27", "text": "getting started. So he just kept going"}, {"end": "00:56:33", "start": "00:56:29", "text": "from place to place as they were laying"}, {"end": "00:56:35", "start": "00:56:31", "text": "cable. And the Colorado became kind of"}, {"end": "00:56:38", "start": "00:56:33", "text": "like the nexus that linked the United"}, {"end": "00:56:40", "start": "00:56:35", "text": "States together. So uh in the 70s all"}, {"end": "00:56:41", "start": "00:56:38", "text": "the cable guys started coming out this"}, {"end": "00:56:44", "start": "00:56:40", "text": "way. And so my grandfather lived in"}, {"end": "00:56:46", "start": "00:56:41", "text": "Denver. So my motherh grew up in all"}, {"end": "00:56:47", "start": "00:56:44", "text": "those different places but then kind of"}, {"end": "00:56:50", "start": "00:56:46", "text": "settled in Colorado and that's where she"}, {"end": "00:56:52", "start": "00:56:47", "text": "met my dad. So anyway they uh they moved"}, {"end": "00:56:54", "start": "00:56:50", "text": "out to Hawaii and you know and then I"}, {"end": "00:56:56", "start": "00:56:52", "text": "moved back from Hawaii to Colorado and"}, {"end": "00:56:58", "start": "00:56:54", "text": "then I grew up in Colorado and then I"}, {"end": "00:57:00", "start": "00:56:56", "text": "became kind of a nomad and travel the"}, {"end": "00:57:02", "start": "00:56:58", "text": "world. What kind of uh what kind of"}, {"end": "00:57:04", "start": "00:57:00", "text": "stuff were into as a kid? What you like"}, {"end": "00:57:06", "start": "00:57:02", "text": "doing? Well, I was really isolated as a"}, {"end": "00:57:09", "start": "00:57:04", "text": "kid. You know, the problem with Hawaii"}, {"end": "00:57:11", "start": "00:57:06", "text": "is that um especially at the time and"}, {"end": "00:57:15", "start": "00:57:09", "text": "place I grew up in Hawaii, it's not easy"}, {"end": "00:57:17", "start": "00:57:11", "text": "to be a non-tourist white guy in Hawaii."}, {"end": "00:57:19", "start": "00:57:15", "text": "You know, they call you Howley's and you"}, {"end": "00:57:20", "start": "00:57:17", "text": "know, and there's and and so my parents"}, {"end": "00:57:22", "start": "00:57:19", "text": "didn't want me to attend public"}, {"end": "00:57:24", "start": "00:57:20", "text": "education. So, I ended up being"}, {"end": "00:57:25", "start": "00:57:22", "text": "homeschooled, which was like a"}, {"end": "00:57:27", "start": "00:57:24", "text": "double-edged sword. It was great because"}, {"end": "00:57:29", "start": "00:57:25", "text": "I could graduate high school much faster"}, {"end": "00:57:31", "start": "00:57:27", "text": "and you mean I could I was a voracious"}, {"end": "00:57:33", "start": "00:57:29", "text": "reader and I love knowledge and these"}, {"end": "00:57:35", "start": "00:57:31", "text": "things but also it meant I was a little"}, {"end": "00:57:37", "start": "00:57:33", "text": "like halfbaked on the socialization side"}, {"end": "00:57:39", "start": "00:57:35", "text": "you know it's just just my brother and I"}, {"end": "00:57:42", "start": "00:57:37", "text": "and that's it and so we didn't really"}, {"end": "00:57:44", "start": "00:57:39", "text": "socialize with very many people but what"}, {"end": "00:57:46", "start": "00:57:42", "text": "was nice is then instead of doing the"}, {"end": "00:57:47", "start": "00:57:44", "text": "school stuff where you you'd go through"}, {"end": "00:57:49", "start": "00:57:46", "text": "like traditional K through2 we did the"}, {"end": "00:57:51", "start": "00:57:47", "text": "nature stuff so an enormous amount of my"}, {"end": "00:57:53", "start": "00:57:49", "text": "time was going to the beach and going to"}, {"end": "00:57:55", "start": "00:57:51", "text": "the jungles and Yao Valley and all these"}, {"end": "00:57:58", "start": "00:57:53", "text": "other places on Maui and seeing the sea"}, {"end": "00:58:01", "start": "00:57:55", "text": "life and so forth and it developed a a"}, {"end": "00:58:03", "start": "00:57:58", "text": "strong love of the natural world and you"}, {"end": "00:58:05", "start": "00:58:01", "text": "know that's why a plant company now"}, {"end": "00:58:07", "start": "00:58:03", "text": "right you know it's like or or a ranch"}, {"end": "00:58:08", "start": "00:58:05", "text": "you know I loved animals and I I love"}, {"end": "00:58:10", "start": "00:58:07", "text": "plants and I and I love that whole"}, {"end": "00:58:14", "start": "00:58:08", "text": "experience of seeing things you know the"}, {"end": "00:58:15", "start": "00:58:10", "text": "other thing is it gave me a slightly"}, {"end": "00:58:17", "start": "00:58:14", "text": "different age demographic you know"}, {"end": "00:58:19", "start": "00:58:15", "text": "because I didn't get exposed to the K"}, {"end": "00:58:22", "start": "00:58:17", "text": "through2 stuff I kind of skipped the"}, {"end": "00:58:24", "start": "00:58:19", "text": "late 80s and 90s and I inherited my mom"}, {"end": "00:58:26", "start": "00:58:22", "text": "and dad's generation"}, {"end": "00:58:29", "start": "00:58:24", "text": "So they're early ' 80s, the '7s and the"}, {"end": "00:58:31", "start": "00:58:26", "text": "late60s. And so I listened to Boston and"}, {"end": "00:58:32", "start": "00:58:29", "text": "I listened to Jouri and you know I"}, {"end": "00:58:36", "start": "00:58:31", "text": "listened to all these things like Brett"}, {"end": "00:58:39", "start": "00:58:32", "text": "and you know what was his name? Um did"}, {"end": "00:58:42", "start": "00:58:36", "text": "Operator and uh Time in a Bottle, Jim"}, {"end": "00:58:43", "start": "00:58:39", "text": "Cro, you know all all these guys and all"}, {"end": "00:58:45", "start": "00:58:42", "text": "the television was from that time too,"}, {"end": "00:58:47", "start": "00:58:43", "text": "you know. So I watch Lost in Space and"}, {"end": "00:58:49", "start": "00:58:45", "text": "you know I watch Gunsmoke and all these"}, {"end": "00:58:51", "start": "00:58:47", "text": "shows and so I'm always like one"}, {"end": "00:58:53", "start": "00:58:49", "text": "generation behind actually my cohort."}, {"end": "00:58:54", "start": "00:58:51", "text": "So, you know, I it's easier in some"}, {"end": "00:58:57", "start": "00:58:53", "text": "cases for me to talk to people in their"}, {"end": "00:58:58", "start": "00:58:54", "text": "40s and 50s than it is to talk to people"}, {"end": "00:59:01", "start": "00:58:57", "text": "in their early 30s and 20s cuz I have"}, {"end": "00:59:03", "start": "00:58:58", "text": "that cultural frame of reference, which"}, {"end": "00:59:05", "start": "00:59:01", "text": "is quite strange. Um, the other nice"}, {"end": "00:59:07", "start": "00:59:03", "text": "thing about Hawaii is it's like frozen"}, {"end": "00:59:10", "start": "00:59:05", "text": "in time. You know, outside of the fire"}, {"end": "00:59:12", "start": "00:59:07", "text": "in Lahina, you know, nothing changes at"}, {"end": "00:59:14", "start": "00:59:10", "text": "all ever. So, you go there and it's like"}, {"end": "00:59:16", "start": "00:59:12", "text": "the same store that I went to when I was"}, {"end": "00:59:17", "start": "00:59:14", "text": "8 years old is still there. And it's"}, {"end": "00:59:19", "start": "00:59:16", "text": "probably the same guy working at the"}, {"end": "00:59:20", "start": "00:59:17", "text": "same store. It's just a lot fatter and"}, {"end": "00:59:22", "start": "00:59:19", "text": "older. He's got the man boobs now and"}, {"end": "00:59:24", "start": "00:59:20", "text": "the comb over, but he's still going to"}, {"end": "00:59:26", "start": "00:59:22", "text": "the beach like three times a week,"}, {"end": "00:59:29", "start": "00:59:24", "text": "right? And you talk to this guy and you"}, {"end": "00:59:30", "start": "00:59:26", "text": "say like, \"God, like, do you have any"}, {"end": "00:59:33", "start": "00:59:29", "text": "ambition in life? You know, do you want"}, {"end": "00:59:36", "start": "00:59:30", "text": "to do more?\" No, no, no."}, {"end": "00:59:37", "start": "00:59:33", "text": "I am content, you know? And that's the"}, {"end": "00:59:39", "start": "00:59:36", "text": "problem with Island Fever. That's why my"}, {"end": "00:59:41", "start": "00:59:37", "text": "mom got tired of it. She's like, you"}, {"end": "00:59:44", "start": "00:59:39", "text": "know, it's it's like it's it's it's a"}, {"end": "00:59:46", "start": "00:59:41", "text": "paradise for a year. You get island"}, {"end": "00:59:47", "start": "00:59:44", "text": "fever within three years. If you have"}, {"end": "00:59:49", "start": "00:59:46", "text": "any ambition at all, there's no"}, {"end": "00:59:52", "start": "00:59:47", "text": "progress. There's no growth. you're just"}, {"end": "00:59:55", "start": "00:59:49", "text": "static. You you stay stuck in time. Um"}, {"end": "00:59:57", "start": "00:59:52", "text": "and uh then the tourism thing too is"}, {"end": "00:59:59", "start": "00:59:55", "text": "like you live in a place where the"}, {"end": "01:00:01", "start": "00:59:57", "text": "population literally doubles or triples"}, {"end": "01:00:04", "start": "00:59:59", "text": "every year. And so you go boom bust boom"}, {"end": "01:00:05", "start": "01:00:01", "text": "bust. So during tourist season, traffic"}, {"end": "01:00:07", "start": "01:00:04", "text": "jams everywhere, all these tourists"}, {"end": "01:00:09", "start": "01:00:05", "text": "running around causing chicannery and"}, {"end": "01:00:12", "start": "01:00:07", "text": "havoc. And then offseason like"}, {"end": "01:00:14", "start": "01:00:09", "text": "everything's nice. So that gets old"}, {"end": "01:00:17", "start": "01:00:12", "text": "after a while, you know, and and uh and"}, {"end": "01:00:19", "start": "01:00:14", "text": "tough after a while. So uh you know, I"}, {"end": "01:00:21", "start": "01:00:17", "text": "didn't want to leave. I was 8 years old."}, {"end": "01:00:23", "start": "01:00:19", "text": "I liked Hawaii. I walk around with like"}, {"end": "01:00:25", "start": "01:00:21", "text": "no shoes on or the flip-flops and these"}, {"end": "01:00:28", "start": "01:00:23", "text": "things. Had the long blonde hair that"}, {"end": "01:00:30", "start": "01:00:25", "text": "turned black over time. Uh it was great."}, {"end": "01:00:32", "start": "01:00:28", "text": "But then as I got older, I realized it"}, {"end": "01:00:34", "start": "01:00:30", "text": "was a really good decision to kind of go"}, {"end": "01:00:36", "start": "01:00:32", "text": "to Colorado. What do you mean you"}, {"end": "01:00:38", "start": "01:00:34", "text": "started traveling the world? Well, you"}, {"end": "01:00:40", "start": "01:00:36", "text": "know, after so, you know, kind of"}, {"end": "01:00:42", "start": "01:00:38", "text": "following into Colorado, um you know, I"}, {"end": "01:00:45", "start": "01:00:40", "text": "was homeschooled. I graduated from high"}, {"end": "01:00:47", "start": "01:00:42", "text": "school at 15. 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Uh so I was like 18 with a"}, {"end": "01:01:05", "start": "01:01:01", "text": "college degree which was cool and I"}, {"end": "01:01:06", "start": "01:01:03", "text": "transferred then to metro uh pollen"}, {"end": "01:01:08", "start": "01:01:05", "text": "state and then I transferred to SU"}, {"end": "01:01:09", "start": "01:01:06", "text": "Boulder and originally I want to be a"}, {"end": "01:01:12", "start": "01:01:08", "text": "doctor you know because my dad's a"}, {"end": "01:01:13", "start": "01:01:09", "text": "doctor my brother ended up as a doctor"}, {"end": "01:01:15", "start": "01:01:12", "text": "my grandfather was a doctor my uncle's a"}, {"end": "01:01:17", "start": "01:01:13", "text": "doctor there's a lot of doctors in the"}, {"end": "01:01:19", "start": "01:01:15", "text": "family I going to be a surgeon this is"}, {"end": "01:01:21", "start": "01:01:17", "text": "going to be great and I was very"}, {"end": "01:01:23", "start": "01:01:19", "text": "precocious and arrogant as hell and I"}, {"end": "01:01:24", "start": "01:01:21", "text": "thought I knew everything and I was the"}, {"end": "01:01:26", "start": "01:01:23", "text": "center of the universe and all these"}, {"end": "01:01:27", "start": "01:01:24", "text": "things God helped me and the problem is"}, {"end": "01:01:29", "start": "01:01:26", "text": "I was pretty charismatic and pretty"}, {"end": "01:01:31", "start": "01:01:27", "text": "smart so I could get away with it you"}, {"end": "01:01:33", "start": "01:01:29", "text": "you know, for these things. 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So as I started"}, {"end": "01:02:28", "start": "01:02:25", "text": "volunteering hospital to actually"}, {"end": "01:02:29", "start": "01:02:26", "text": "working in that infrastructure and"}, {"end": "01:02:31", "start": "01:02:28", "text": "talking to physicians they every"}, {"end": "01:02:33", "start": "01:02:29", "text": "physician that I met said you're too"}, {"end": "01:02:34", "start": "01:02:31", "text": "smart for medicine don't go into it"}, {"end": "01:02:37", "start": "01:02:33", "text": "don't go into it you know it's they were"}, {"end": "01:02:38", "start": "01:02:34", "text": "burnt out and they said and it's a bad"}, {"end": "01:02:40", "start": "01:02:37", "text": "thing when the people who are good at"}, {"end": "01:02:43", "start": "01:02:38", "text": "the field are telling you don't go into"}, {"end": "01:02:44", "start": "01:02:40", "text": "the field you know it's not not your way"}, {"end": "01:02:47", "start": "01:02:43", "text": "so the other thing I was really good at"}, {"end": "01:02:50", "start": "01:02:44", "text": "was mathematics and uh and I really"}, {"end": "01:02:53", "start": "01:02:47", "text": "loved mathematics you know math is it's"}, {"end": "01:02:55", "start": "01:02:50", "text": "an infinite well no matter how brilliant"}, {"end": "01:02:57", "start": "01:02:53", "text": "you are you reach a stopping point that"}, {"end": "01:03:00", "start": "01:02:55", "text": "you can't go any deeper but yet the"}, {"end": "01:03:01", "start": "01:02:57", "text": "ocean is deeper. 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So I love studying"}, {"end": "01:03:19", "start": "01:03:16", "text": "mathematics and you know I got quite"}, {"end": "01:03:21", "start": "01:03:18", "text": "good at it and that's actually why I"}, {"end": "01:03:23", "start": "01:03:19", "text": "transferred from Metro to C Boulder"}, {"end": "01:03:26", "start": "01:03:21", "text": "because they had this nice combined"}, {"end": "01:03:27", "start": "01:03:23", "text": "mast's undergraduate program so you"}, {"end": "01:03:28", "start": "01:03:26", "text": "could take graduate classes and"}, {"end": "01:03:30", "start": "01:03:27", "text": "undergraduate classes and I just took a"}, {"end": "01:03:32", "start": "01:03:28", "text": "ton of math classes and I went through"}, {"end": "01:03:35", "start": "01:03:30", "text": "and it's a research university so I"}, {"end": "01:03:36", "start": "01:03:32", "text": "interact with like true mathematicians"}, {"end": "01:03:39", "start": "01:03:35", "text": "and then what I discovered was like it"}, {"end": "01:03:41", "start": "01:03:36", "text": "was such a dreary field to actually be a"}, {"end": "01:03:43", "start": "01:03:39", "text": "professional in because while it was"}, {"end": "01:03:46", "start": "01:03:41", "text": "super intellectually interesting to get"}, {"end": "01:03:48", "start": "01:03:43", "text": "tenure and to actually climb that chain."}, {"end": "01:03:50", "start": "01:03:46", "text": "You had to do a ton of really boring"}, {"end": "01:03:52", "start": "01:03:48", "text": "stuff and highly political stuff and"}, {"end": "01:03:53", "start": "01:03:50", "text": "then in your 40s or 50s you get to the"}, {"end": "01:03:55", "start": "01:03:52", "text": "other side and then you just do whatever"}, {"end": "01:03:57", "start": "01:03:53", "text": "the [\u00a0__\u00a0] you want to do. But then you"}, {"end": "01:03:59", "start": "01:03:55", "text": "make no money. No one cares about what"}, {"end": "01:04:02", "start": "01:03:57", "text": "you do. No one understands what you do"}, {"end": "01:04:03", "start": "01:03:59", "text": "and you end up becoming like turbo"}, {"end": "01:04:06", "start": "01:04:02", "text": "autistic. You're just in your office"}, {"end": "01:04:07", "start": "01:04:03", "text": "looking at a you know at at a at a at a"}, {"end": "01:04:09", "start": "01:04:06", "text": "whiteboard. It's like why doesn't this"}, {"end": "01:04:11", "start": "01:04:07", "text": "work? And then you discover something"}, {"end": "01:04:13", "start": "01:04:09", "text": "like ah man I just discovered this new"}, {"end": "01:04:16", "start": "01:04:11", "text": "thing about coortism. like oh okay"}, {"end": "01:04:19", "start": "01:04:13", "text": "that's cool so I got really lost in that"}, {"end": "01:04:20", "start": "01:04:16", "text": "but I was fortuitous that there were a"}, {"end": "01:04:21", "start": "01:04:19", "text": "lot of good cryptographers there and"}, {"end": "01:04:23", "start": "01:04:20", "text": "there were a lot of good computer"}, {"end": "01:04:25", "start": "01:04:21", "text": "scientists there so as I was studying"}, {"end": "01:04:28", "start": "01:04:23", "text": "math I was also inadvertently learning"}, {"end": "01:04:30", "start": "01:04:25", "text": "all these really cool things about uh"}, {"end": "01:04:32", "start": "01:04:28", "text": "all the underpinnings which became"}, {"end": "01:04:34", "start": "01:04:30", "text": "cryptocurrencies like if you're a"}, {"end": "01:04:35", "start": "01:04:32", "text": "mathematician you study cryptography"}, {"end": "01:04:37", "start": "01:04:34", "text": "it's quite easy then to understand like"}, {"end": "01:04:39", "start": "01:04:35", "text": "how does a cryptocurrency work under the"}, {"end": "01:04:41", "start": "01:04:37", "text": "hood you know how a public key system"}, {"end": "01:04:43", "start": "01:04:39", "text": "works it's like oh it's RSA or it's oil"}, {"end": "01:04:44", "start": "01:04:41", "text": "or quotient and this thing. Oh, okay. I"}, {"end": "01:04:46", "start": "01:04:43", "text": "get that. Or the discrete logarithm"}, {"end": "01:04:47", "start": "01:04:44", "text": "problem. Oh, yeah. I understand that. I"}, {"end": "01:04:50", "start": "01:04:46", "text": "understand how that works. That's great."}, {"end": "01:04:52", "start": "01:04:47", "text": "You can read the papers. And and so"}, {"end": "01:04:54", "start": "01:04:50", "text": "coming from that side, it it was uh I"}, {"end": "01:04:56", "start": "01:04:52", "text": "didn't know at the time, but it was one"}, {"end": "01:04:58", "start": "01:04:54", "text": "of the most valuable things for me. But"}, {"end": "01:05:00", "start": "01:04:56", "text": "I just got so tired of it. I said, I'm"}, {"end": "01:05:04", "start": "01:04:58", "text": "wasting time and I don't really have a"}, {"end": "01:05:06", "start": "01:05:00", "text": "path to a career. So, uh I dropped out."}, {"end": "01:05:08", "start": "01:05:04", "text": "And then I took some time off to just"}, {"end": "01:05:10", "start": "01:05:06", "text": "kind of go and travel and meet people"}, {"end": "01:05:12", "start": "01:05:08", "text": "and, uh see the world a little bit. And"}, {"end": "01:05:14", "start": "01:05:10", "text": "I did that and that was fun, you know,"}, {"end": "01:05:15", "start": "01:05:12", "text": "and uh and I got to see a lot of"}, {"end": "01:05:17", "start": "01:05:14", "text": "different things and I also did some"}, {"end": "01:05:18", "start": "01:05:15", "text": "political stuff. I worked on the Ron"}, {"end": "01:05:20", "start": "01:05:17", "text": "Paul campaign. I saw that. Yeah, that"}, {"end": "01:05:21", "start": "01:05:18", "text": "was a lot of fun, you know. How old were"}, {"end": "01:05:24", "start": "01:05:20", "text": "you when you did that? Well, I was 21"}, {"end": "01:05:26", "start": "01:05:21", "text": "when the Ron Paul campaign uh was first"}, {"end": "01:05:28", "start": "01:05:24", "text": "and because he did twice. It was 2007"}, {"end": "01:05:29", "start": "01:05:26", "text": "and 2012 and then also there was the"}, {"end": "01:05:32", "start": "01:05:28", "text": "intermediate campaign which was Rand"}, {"end": "01:05:34", "start": "01:05:29", "text": "Paul in 2010. So everybody contributed"}, {"end": "01:05:35", "start": "01:05:32", "text": "their own way and again you just you"}, {"end": "01:05:37", "start": "01:05:34", "text": "don't know at the time that you're going"}, {"end": "01:05:38", "start": "01:05:35", "text": "to learn a skill and then that skill"}, {"end": "01:05:39", "start": "01:05:37", "text": "becomes valuable. But on the Ron Paul,"}, {"end": "01:05:42", "start": "01:05:38", "text": "we learned about like online"}, {"end": "01:05:43", "start": "01:05:39", "text": "fundraising. We kind of invented it. We"}, {"end": "01:05:46", "start": "01:05:42", "text": "had the money bombs. You know, Howard"}, {"end": "01:05:47", "start": "01:05:43", "text": "Dean was very successful in 2004 with"}, {"end": "01:05:49", "start": "01:05:46", "text": "online fundraising and Obama was pretty"}, {"end": "01:05:51", "start": "01:05:47", "text": "good, too. But on the Republican side,"}, {"end": "01:05:53", "start": "01:05:49", "text": "nobody had really cracked that nut. And"}, {"end": "01:05:55", "start": "01:05:51", "text": "we were the first to do that. And the"}, {"end": "01:05:57", "start": "01:05:53", "text": "whole Republican party is like, \"Oh my"}, {"end": "01:05:59", "start": "01:05:55", "text": "god, you just like do a money bomb and"}, {"end": "01:06:01", "start": "01:05:57", "text": "one day you get $5 million or $10"}, {"end": "01:06:03", "start": "01:05:59", "text": "million? Like, how how do you do this?\""}, {"end": "01:06:04", "start": "01:06:01", "text": "And you get calls from the national guys"}, {"end": "01:06:05", "start": "01:06:03", "text": "and they'd be like, \"Can you teach us"}, {"end": "01:06:07", "start": "01:06:04", "text": "your secrets?\" We're like, \"Yeah, okay."}, {"end": "01:06:09", "start": "01:06:05", "text": "Okay. It's real simple. um you have to"}, {"end": "01:06:11", "start": "01:06:07", "text": "vote the same way for 30 years. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:06:13", "start": "01:06:09", "text": "You have to have message discipline for"}, {"end": "01:06:18", "start": "01:06:11", "text": "30 years and uh you can't you have to"}, {"end": "01:06:20", "start": "01:06:13", "text": "have integrity. They're like ah yeah can"}, {"end": "01:06:22", "start": "01:06:18", "text": "they're like what's integrity? Yeah, I"}, {"end": "01:06:25", "start": "01:06:20", "text": "know. Like can can we like do it without"}, {"end": "01:06:26", "start": "01:06:22", "text": "those things? We're like no no it"}, {"end": "01:06:28", "start": "01:06:25", "text": "doesn't work that way. You know it's"}, {"end": "01:06:30", "start": "01:06:26", "text": "that's why you know people give money"}, {"end": "01:06:32", "start": "01:06:28", "text": "that that way. But um distributed"}, {"end": "01:06:34", "start": "01:06:30", "text": "fundraising is like the ICO in the"}, {"end": "01:06:35", "start": "01:06:32", "text": "cryptocurrency space. Now of course we"}, {"end": "01:06:37", "start": "01:06:34", "text": "didn't know that at the time. And we"}, {"end": "01:06:39", "start": "01:06:35", "text": "invented that later on in the industry."}, {"end": "01:06:40", "start": "01:06:37", "text": "But that was a great thing also that"}, {"end": "01:06:43", "start": "01:06:39", "text": "message discipline. People like rules of"}, {"end": "01:06:45", "start": "01:06:40", "text": "three. Like Ron Paul, he said, you know,"}, {"end": "01:06:46", "start": "01:06:43", "text": "three things and three things only like"}, {"end": "01:06:47", "start": "01:06:45", "text": "choose liberty. So the follow the"}, {"end": "01:06:49", "start": "01:06:46", "text": "constitution. If it's in the"}, {"end": "01:06:50", "start": "01:06:47", "text": "constitution, we follow it. If it's not"}, {"end": "01:06:53", "start": "01:06:49", "text": "in the constitution, we don't do it."}, {"end": "01:06:54", "start": "01:06:50", "text": "Pretty simple. Humble foreign policy."}, {"end": "01:06:55", "start": "01:06:53", "text": "He's like we just don't want to go to"}, {"end": "01:06:57", "start": "01:06:54", "text": "war with all these people. I remember in"}, {"end": "01:06:59", "start": "01:06:55", "text": "2007 he told us we were going to lose in"}, {"end": "01:07:01", "start": "01:06:57", "text": "Afghanistan. He said the Afghanistan's"}, {"end": "01:07:03", "start": "01:06:59", "text": "going to go back to the Taliban. He told"}, {"end": "01:07:04", "start": "01:07:01", "text": "us that. He said it in his speeches."}, {"end": "01:07:06", "start": "01:07:03", "text": "He'd say it privately. He'd say like,"}, {"end": "01:07:09", "start": "01:07:04", "text": "you know, it's it's going to be it's"}, {"end": "01:07:11", "start": "01:07:06", "text": "just like Vietnam. You know, he was"}, {"end": "01:07:13", "start": "01:07:09", "text": "right. And then uh he said, \"Sound"}, {"end": "01:07:16", "start": "01:07:11", "text": "money.\" You know, if you don't have good"}, {"end": "01:07:18", "start": "01:07:13", "text": "money, you don't have liberty because"}, {"end": "01:07:21", "start": "01:07:16", "text": "all the things you do, all the things"}, {"end": "01:07:23", "start": "01:07:18", "text": "you're promised disappear. Imagine"}, {"end": "01:07:25", "start": "01:07:21", "text": "working hard your whole life, 40 years,"}, {"end": "01:07:27", "start": "01:07:23", "text": "you save up, you have a good retirement"}, {"end": "01:07:29", "start": "01:07:25", "text": "ready to go, and then inflation eats"}, {"end": "01:07:32", "start": "01:07:27", "text": "away at all that stuff. And within 10,"}, {"end": "01:07:33", "start": "01:07:29", "text": "15 years, all your savings are gone. You"}, {"end": "01:07:35", "start": "01:07:32", "text": "have no choice but to become a socialist"}, {"end": "01:07:37", "start": "01:07:33", "text": "and become a ward to the state because"}, {"end": "01:07:38", "start": "01:07:35", "text": "your money's gone now. They destroyed"}, {"end": "01:07:39", "start": "01:07:37", "text": "the quality of the money. So you have to"}, {"end": "01:07:41", "start": "01:07:38", "text": "go to the government say please give me"}, {"end": "01:07:43", "start": "01:07:39", "text": "some bread because you're like 70. You"}, {"end": "01:07:44", "start": "01:07:41", "text": "can't work. You you don't have the"}, {"end": "01:07:47", "start": "01:07:43", "text": "training or the economic output or"}, {"end": "01:07:49", "start": "01:07:44", "text": "anything like that. So you have bad"}, {"end": "01:07:50", "start": "01:07:47", "text": "money you have socialism. You have bad"}, {"end": "01:07:53", "start": "01:07:49", "text": "money. You have a destroyed society. You"}, {"end": "01:07:55", "start": "01:07:50", "text": "have sound money. You have agency. You"}, {"end": "01:07:56", "start": "01:07:53", "text": "have control over your life. These types"}, {"end": "01:07:58", "start": "01:07:55", "text": "of things. And the other cool thing is"}, {"end": "01:08:00", "start": "01:07:56", "text": "that it exposed me to all these"}, {"end": "01:08:02", "start": "01:07:58", "text": "economics that I took economics macro"}, {"end": "01:08:04", "start": "01:08:00", "text": "and microeconomics. I think Paul Krugman"}, {"end": "01:08:07", "start": "01:08:02", "text": "for God's sakes wrote the book in"}, {"end": "01:08:09", "start": "01:08:04", "text": "macroeconomics that I took and and it"}, {"end": "01:08:10", "start": "01:08:07", "text": "was all like Kenzian [\u00a0__\u00a0] and so I"}, {"end": "01:08:12", "start": "01:08:09", "text": "thought well that's economics but then I"}, {"end": "01:08:14", "start": "01:08:10", "text": "joined the Ron Paul movement and they're"}, {"end": "01:08:16", "start": "01:08:12", "text": "like Ludwing von Misus in Austrian"}, {"end": "01:08:18", "start": "01:08:14", "text": "economics and all these things. Oh my"}, {"end": "01:08:20", "start": "01:08:16", "text": "god this is this is amazing. There's"}, {"end": "01:08:22", "start": "01:08:18", "text": "like a completely parallel economic"}, {"end": "01:08:24", "start": "01:08:20", "text": "school of thought that's totally"}, {"end": "01:08:26", "start": "01:08:22", "text": "different than what the mainstream has."}, {"end": "01:08:28", "start": "01:08:24", "text": "Like the Austrian economists were saying"}, {"end": "01:08:30", "start": "01:08:26", "text": "deflationary money is the money you"}, {"end": "01:08:32", "start": "01:08:28", "text": "want. When you do Kinsey economics,"}, {"end": "01:08:33", "start": "01:08:30", "text": "they're like it has to be inflationary."}, {"end": "01:08:35", "start": "01:08:32", "text": "If it's deflationary, you have the"}, {"end": "01:08:37", "start": "01:08:33", "text": "deflationary spiral. The whole economy"}, {"end": "01:08:38", "start": "01:08:35", "text": "will fall apart and die. Well, what's"}, {"end": "01:08:41", "start": "01:08:37", "text": "Bitcoin? It's a deflationary monetary"}, {"end": "01:08:42", "start": "01:08:38", "text": "policy. So all the classical trained"}, {"end": "01:08:44", "start": "01:08:41", "text": "economists when they looked at Bitcoin"}, {"end": "01:08:46", "start": "01:08:42", "text": "when it first came out, they said it's"}, {"end": "01:08:48", "start": "01:08:44", "text": "not possible for it to succeed. It'll"}, {"end": "01:08:50", "start": "01:08:46", "text": "die. there's going to be a deflationary"}, {"end": "01:08:52", "start": "01:08:48", "text": "spiral. There's no way for this to work."}, {"end": "01:08:53", "start": "01:08:50", "text": "But if you're an Austrian economist, you"}, {"end": "01:08:55", "start": "01:08:52", "text": "say, well, that's the natural way of"}, {"end": "01:08:58", "start": "01:08:53", "text": "money. So, this will organically get"}, {"end": "01:09:01", "start": "01:08:55", "text": "more valuable over time. So, you know,"}, {"end": "01:09:02", "start": "01:08:58", "text": "2007, Bitcoin wasn't even out and so I'm"}, {"end": "01:09:05", "start": "01:09:01", "text": "reading these books and these papers and"}, {"end": "01:09:06", "start": "01:09:02", "text": "everything and it was preparing me for"}, {"end": "01:09:09", "start": "01:09:05", "text": "that cryptocurrency career. You know, it"}, {"end": "01:09:10", "start": "01:09:06", "text": "was preparing me to kind of like when I"}, {"end": "01:09:12", "start": "01:09:09", "text": "read the white paper from Satoshi, it"}, {"end": "01:09:13", "start": "01:09:10", "text": "was like this makes sense. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:09:15", "start": "01:09:12", "text": "Of course, this system's going to work."}, {"end": "01:09:16", "start": "01:09:13", "text": "It's like gravity. It's just going to"}, {"end": "01:09:18", "start": "01:09:15", "text": "happen."}, {"end": "01:09:21", "start": "01:09:16", "text": "You know, and the other thing was this"}, {"end": "01:09:22", "start": "01:09:18", "text": "this power of decentralized networking."}, {"end": "01:09:24", "start": "01:09:21", "text": "You know, the Rumple movement was like a"}, {"end": "01:09:26", "start": "01:09:22", "text": "terrorist cell, you know, they had"}, {"end": "01:09:27", "start": "01:09:24", "text": "people everywhere, you know, and and you"}, {"end": "01:09:29", "start": "01:09:26", "text": "didn't know where they're at and they're"}, {"end": "01:09:32", "start": "01:09:27", "text": "like a secret club. And, you know, they"}, {"end": "01:09:33", "start": "01:09:29", "text": "we were so adept at rapidly coming"}, {"end": "01:09:35", "start": "01:09:32", "text": "together and talking to each other and"}, {"end": "01:09:37", "start": "01:09:33", "text": "figuring things out. So, it scaled from"}, {"end": "01:09:39", "start": "01:09:35", "text": "just a few hundred volunteers to a"}, {"end": "01:09:41", "start": "01:09:37", "text": "nationwide tea party movement very"}, {"end": "01:09:43", "start": "01:09:39", "text": "quickly. But how quickly a movement can"}, {"end": "01:09:45", "start": "01:09:41", "text": "be co-opted. You know, when we were"}, {"end": "01:09:47", "start": "01:09:43", "text": "doing at the Ron Paul poll days in '07,"}, {"end": "01:09:48", "start": "01:09:45", "text": "there was just as many Democrats as"}, {"end": "01:09:50", "start": "01:09:47", "text": "there were Republicans. It was such"}, {"end": "01:09:52", "start": "01:09:48", "text": "weird bedfellows. You know, you'd have"}, {"end": "01:09:54", "start": "01:09:50", "text": "the blue-haired gal with the tongue ring"}, {"end": "01:09:56", "start": "01:09:52", "text": "who's kind of out there hanging out with"}, {"end": "01:09:58", "start": "01:09:54", "text": "like a 55 year old guy who buys golden"}, {"end": "01:10:02", "start": "01:09:56", "text": "guns and they're in the same rally and"}, {"end": "01:10:05", "start": "01:09:58", "text": "we're like, I don't know how this works,"}, {"end": "01:10:07", "start": "01:10:02", "text": "you know, but but then a few years"}, {"end": "01:10:09", "start": "01:10:05", "text": "later, because Paul's not a very good"}, {"end": "01:10:11", "start": "01:10:07", "text": "organizer, the movement got co-opted and"}, {"end": "01:10:13", "start": "01:10:09", "text": "suddenly Breitbart came in and all these"}, {"end": "01:10:15", "start": "01:10:11", "text": "other guys came in and it stopped being"}, {"end": "01:10:17", "start": "01:10:13", "text": "like a unifying thing with those three"}, {"end": "01:10:19", "start": "01:10:15", "text": "core things of choose liberty, sound"}, {"end": "01:10:21", "start": "01:10:17", "text": "money, and humble foreign policy. Cuz"}, {"end": "01:10:23", "start": "01:10:19", "text": "remember the the blue-haired girls were"}, {"end": "01:10:25", "start": "01:10:21", "text": "against the Iraq war, you know, and uh"}, {"end": "01:10:27", "start": "01:10:23", "text": "and also sound money, like who could be"}, {"end": "01:10:28", "start": "01:10:25", "text": "against that? And and choose liberty is"}, {"end": "01:10:30", "start": "01:10:27", "text": "like, well, that's liberty for"}, {"end": "01:10:32", "start": "01:10:28", "text": "everybody, not just you or me, but for"}, {"end": "01:10:34", "start": "01:10:30", "text": "everybody. And it became like we're now"}, {"end": "01:10:35", "start": "01:10:32", "text": "anti-abortion and now we're anti-gay and"}, {"end": "01:10:37", "start": "01:10:34", "text": "we're this and this and this. And the"}, {"end": "01:10:40", "start": "01:10:35", "text": "Tea Party went in very strange"}, {"end": "01:10:42", "start": "01:10:37", "text": "directions, and we lost that political"}, {"end": "01:10:44", "start": "01:10:40", "text": "momentum and that political movement. So"}, {"end": "01:10:45", "start": "01:10:42", "text": "it was fortuitous because a lot of the"}, {"end": "01:10:47", "start": "01:10:44", "text": "people that were still true core"}, {"end": "01:10:50", "start": "01:10:45", "text": "libertarians who had been indoctrinated"}, {"end": "01:10:52", "start": "01:10:47", "text": "into digital money and were quite into"}, {"end": "01:10:54", "start": "01:10:50", "text": "sound money who were quite young when"}, {"end": "01:10:56", "start": "01:10:52", "text": "the cryptocurrency movement came around"}, {"end": "01:10:58", "start": "01:10:54", "text": "they're like oh that's our home cuz"}, {"end": "01:11:00", "start": "01:10:56", "text": "blockchains are like a constitution at"}, {"end": "01:11:02", "start": "01:10:58", "text": "their core. When you look at a"}, {"end": "01:11:04", "start": "01:11:00", "text": "blockchain what's written in it can't be"}, {"end": "01:11:05", "start": "01:11:02", "text": "violated. If it says this is the"}, {"end": "01:11:08", "start": "01:11:04", "text": "monetary policy that's the monetary"}, {"end": "01:11:10", "start": "01:11:05", "text": "policy. If this is your right as a user"}, {"end": "01:11:12", "start": "01:11:08", "text": "of the system, the operator of the"}, {"end": "01:11:14", "start": "01:11:10", "text": "system or you know some power like the"}, {"end": "01:11:17", "start": "01:11:12", "text": "United States or China can't come in and"}, {"end": "01:11:18", "start": "01:11:14", "text": "change it cuz reasons it is what it is."}, {"end": "01:11:20", "start": "01:11:17", "text": "So if you believe in sound money, so"}, {"end": "01:11:22", "start": "01:11:18", "text": "deflationary monetary policy and you"}, {"end": "01:11:24", "start": "01:11:20", "text": "believe in choose liberty, meaning to"}, {"end": "01:11:27", "start": "01:11:22", "text": "follow the constitution, it's directly"}, {"end": "01:11:28", "start": "01:11:24", "text": "compatible with the blockchain. And the"}, {"end": "01:11:31", "start": "01:11:27", "text": "other thing is that it's non-aggression"}, {"end": "01:11:33", "start": "01:11:28", "text": "principle, non-violence, the this humble"}, {"end": "01:11:34", "start": "01:11:31", "text": "foreign policy. Everybody in the world"}, {"end": "01:11:36", "start": "01:11:33", "text": "is treated equally. So it doesn't matter"}, {"end": "01:11:38", "start": "01:11:34", "text": "what language you speak. It doesn't"}, {"end": "01:11:41", "start": "01:11:36", "text": "matter where you're born. It doesn't"}, {"end": "01:11:43", "start": "01:11:38", "text": "matter where you come from. You have the"}, {"end": "01:11:45", "start": "01:11:41", "text": "same rights as the founders of the"}, {"end": "01:11:46", "start": "01:11:43", "text": "system, you know, and that's just not"}, {"end": "01:11:49", "start": "01:11:45", "text": "the case in the legacy world. If you're"}, {"end": "01:11:51", "start": "01:11:46", "text": "Bill Gates or me and you use a bank,"}, {"end": "01:11:53", "start": "01:11:49", "text": "they kiss your ass. You know, your"}, {"end": "01:11:54", "start": "01:11:51", "text": "private client, they'll do anything. You"}, {"end": "01:11:56", "start": "01:11:53", "text": "have numbers you can call and just say,"}, {"end": "01:11:57", "start": "01:11:54", "text": "\"I need this and this. Oh, of course.\""}, {"end": "01:11:59", "start": "01:11:56", "text": "You know, we'll drop off a pallet of"}, {"end": "01:12:01", "start": "01:11:57", "text": "cash in front of your house. And they'll"}, {"end": "01:12:03", "start": "01:11:59", "text": "do that. You can't do that as a poor"}, {"end": "01:12:05", "start": "01:12:01", "text": "farmer in Sagal or things like that. you"}, {"end": "01:12:08", "start": "01:12:03", "text": "might you not even have a bank account."}, {"end": "01:12:10", "start": "01:12:05", "text": "But in a cryptocurrency, my use is"}, {"end": "01:12:12", "start": "01:12:08", "text": "identical to that farmer in Sagal's use."}, {"end": "01:12:14", "start": "01:12:10", "text": "So it was in many ways a spiritual"}, {"end": "01:12:17", "start": "01:12:12", "text": "successor to the concepts of that"}, {"end": "01:12:19", "start": "01:12:14", "text": "liberty movement and people wanting to"}, {"end": "01:12:21", "start": "01:12:17", "text": "have something that was divorced from"}, {"end": "01:12:23", "start": "01:12:19", "text": "the corruption and the nepotism and and"}, {"end": "01:12:25", "start": "01:12:21", "text": "had some principles behind it that were"}, {"end": "01:12:27", "start": "01:12:23", "text": "almost like the laws of physics. They're"}, {"end": "01:12:30", "start": "01:12:25", "text": "immutable. They're they're invariable."}, {"end": "01:12:30", "start": "01:12:27", "text": "You can't change them."}, {"end": "01:12:34", "start": "01:12:30", "text": "That's, you know, that's kind of why I"}, {"end": "01:12:39", "start": "01:12:32", "text": "was why I was asking if you think crypto"}, {"end": "01:12:44", "start": "01:12:34", "text": "will overtake the the the system."}, {"end": "01:12:44", "start": "01:12:39", "text": "So many people are drawn to the"}, {"end": "01:12:48", "start": "01:12:45", "text": "so many people are drawn to it because"}, {"end": "01:12:50", "start": "01:12:46", "text": "of government oversight and regulation"}, {"end": "01:12:52", "start": "01:12:48", "text": "and all of these different things. And"}, {"end": "01:12:56", "start": "01:12:50", "text": "so, and then there's all the skeptics"}, {"end": "01:12:58", "start": "01:12:52", "text": "that say it's not real, you know, and so"}, {"end": "01:13:00", "start": "01:12:56", "text": "that can can you elaborate a little bit"}, {"end": "01:13:03", "start": "01:12:58", "text": "on"}, {"end": "01:13:05", "start": "01:13:00", "text": "on how it works and and will we see the"}, {"end": "01:13:07", "start": "01:13:03", "text": "volatility"}, {"end": "01:13:09", "start": "01:13:05", "text": "stop?"}, {"end": "01:13:11", "start": "01:13:07", "text": "So, you know, first off, all social"}, {"end": "01:13:12", "start": "01:13:09", "text": "systems are imaginary. You know, every"}, {"end": "01:13:14", "start": "01:13:11", "text": "economic, political, or social system,"}, {"end": "01:13:18", "start": "01:13:12", "text": "they're not real. Like, where where do"}, {"end": "01:13:19", "start": "01:13:14", "text": "you go to find the dollar? It's like I"}, {"end": "01:13:21", "start": "01:13:18", "text": "can print a dollar and I can hand you a"}, {"end": "01:13:23", "start": "01:13:19", "text": "dollar but that's like a certificate"}, {"end": "01:13:25", "start": "01:13:21", "text": "that says this represents this concept"}, {"end": "01:13:27", "start": "01:13:23", "text": "of a dollar or like where does your vote"}, {"end": "01:13:29", "start": "01:13:25", "text": "live? You can vote but you I guess you"}, {"end": "01:13:31", "start": "01:13:27", "text": "have a ballot but the concept of voting"}, {"end": "01:13:33", "start": "01:13:29", "text": "the concept of democratic legitimacy say"}, {"end": "01:13:35", "start": "01:13:31", "text": "for corporations like where does"}, {"end": "01:13:37", "start": "01:13:33", "text": "Microsoft live exactly? You know where"}, {"end": "01:13:38", "start": "01:13:35", "text": "does Google live? You know it's like why"}, {"end": "01:13:40", "start": "01:13:37", "text": "there's a registration there's"}, {"end": "01:13:43", "start": "01:13:38", "text": "shareholders but it's a it's this"}, {"end": "01:13:45", "start": "01:13:40", "text": "abstraction you know in the internet. So"}, {"end": "01:13:48", "start": "01:13:43", "text": "crypto is just an abstraction. It's a"}, {"end": "01:13:50", "start": "01:13:45", "text": "set of consensus rules and it uses a"}, {"end": "01:13:52", "start": "01:13:48", "text": "blend of social processes and"}, {"end": "01:13:55", "start": "01:13:50", "text": "mathematics and distributed computing"}, {"end": "01:14:00", "start": "01:13:52", "text": "and cryptography to basically create"}, {"end": "01:14:02", "start": "01:13:55", "text": "something that then acts as this trust"}, {"end": "01:14:04", "start": "01:14:00", "text": "layer. It has three core properties."}, {"end": "01:14:06", "start": "01:14:02", "text": "It's immutable. It's timestamped and"}, {"end": "01:14:08", "start": "01:14:04", "text": "it's irreversible. Everything you put"}, {"end": "01:14:10", "start": "01:14:06", "text": "in, you can't change it. You know when"}, {"end": "01:14:13", "start": "01:14:08", "text": "you put it in, and everybody can see it."}, {"end": "01:14:14", "start": "01:14:10", "text": "It's auditable. And it doesn't seem like"}, {"end": "01:14:16", "start": "01:14:13", "text": "that's valuable, but it actually it"}, {"end": "01:14:18", "start": "01:14:14", "text": "turns out it's one of the most valuable"}, {"end": "01:14:20", "start": "01:14:16", "text": "things in the world. Trust is one of the"}, {"end": "01:14:21", "start": "01:14:18", "text": "most valuable things in the world. And"}, {"end": "01:14:23", "start": "01:14:20", "text": "you know it when you're missing it. And"}, {"end": "01:14:25", "start": "01:14:21", "text": "the example I like giving people is"}, {"end": "01:14:27", "start": "01:14:23", "text": "let's say you're a rancher and you want"}, {"end": "01:14:29", "start": "01:14:25", "text": "to buy some of your neighbors land."}, {"end": "01:14:31", "start": "01:14:27", "text": "There's two ways that can go down. One"}, {"end": "01:14:32", "start": "01:14:29", "text": "way you're great friends with that"}, {"end": "01:14:33", "start": "01:14:31", "text": "neighbor. You're drinking buddies with"}, {"end": "01:14:35", "start": "01:14:32", "text": "them. So you go out there and you say,"}, {"end": "01:14:37", "start": "01:14:33", "text": "\"Hey, Bill, uh, you know, I that 50"}, {"end": "01:14:39", "start": "01:14:35", "text": "acres over there, I want my cattle to"}, {"end": "01:14:41", "start": "01:14:37", "text": "graze on that place. Uh, I'd like to buy"}, {"end": "01:14:43", "start": "01:14:39", "text": "it from you.\" And Bill's like, \"Well,"}, {"end": "01:14:45", "start": "01:14:41", "text": "you know, Charles, uh, great. What"}, {"end": "01:14:47", "start": "01:14:43", "text": "price?\" And you haggle over drinks and"}, {"end": "01:14:49", "start": "01:14:45", "text": "you come to a term, you shake hands."}, {"end": "01:14:51", "start": "01:14:47", "text": "Now, let's say that you discover a"}, {"end": "01:14:52", "start": "01:14:49", "text": "problem with the transaction a month"}, {"end": "01:14:54", "start": "01:14:51", "text": "into it. You go back to him, you say,"}, {"end": "01:14:56", "start": "01:14:52", "text": "\"Bill, we got this problem and it's an"}, {"end": "01:14:58", "start": "01:14:54", "text": "issue. Can we solve it?\" You drink it"}, {"end": "01:15:01", "start": "01:14:56", "text": "out, you haggle it out, shake hands,"}, {"end": "01:15:02", "start": "01:14:58", "text": "deal closes, you get the land. The other"}, {"end": "01:15:04", "start": "01:15:01", "text": "way it can go down. Let's say you hate"}, {"end": "01:15:06", "start": "01:15:02", "text": "your neighbor. You don't trust each"}, {"end": "01:15:08", "start": "01:15:04", "text": "other, but you really need the land. So,"}, {"end": "01:15:09", "start": "01:15:06", "text": "you go to the neighbor and you say, \"I"}, {"end": "01:15:11", "start": "01:15:08", "text": "want to buy your land.\" He says, \"Well,"}, {"end": "01:15:14", "start": "01:15:09", "text": "all right. talk to my lawyer. So your"}, {"end": "01:15:17", "start": "01:15:11", "text": "lawyer is talking to his lawyer. Complex"}, {"end": "01:15:18", "start": "01:15:14", "text": "negotiation. That issue comes up. Now"}, {"end": "01:15:21", "start": "01:15:17", "text": "you're in litigation. You're suing each"}, {"end": "01:15:23", "start": "01:15:18", "text": "other. Two years passed. All this money."}, {"end": "01:15:26", "start": "01:15:21", "text": "You win. Got the land. The outcome is"}, {"end": "01:15:28", "start": "01:15:23", "text": "exactly the same in both cases. A, you"}, {"end": "01:15:29", "start": "01:15:26", "text": "get the land. B, you get the land."}, {"end": "01:15:31", "start": "01:15:28", "text": "What's the difference? The difference"}, {"end": "01:15:32", "start": "01:15:29", "text": "was you solved it over alcohol and"}, {"end": "01:15:34", "start": "01:15:31", "text": "handshakes and hanging out with your"}, {"end": "01:15:36", "start": "01:15:32", "text": "buddy versus you had to litigate and"}, {"end": "01:15:38", "start": "01:15:34", "text": "spend an enormous amount of money. What"}, {"end": "01:15:40", "start": "01:15:36", "text": "was the difference between those two"}, {"end": "01:15:43", "start": "01:15:38", "text": "transactions? One thing, just one thing,"}, {"end": "01:15:45", "start": "01:15:40", "text": "trust. That's it. In the first scenario,"}, {"end": "01:15:48", "start": "01:15:43", "text": "you like and trust each other. In the"}, {"end": "01:15:50", "start": "01:15:45", "text": "second scenario, you don't. So then"}, {"end": "01:15:53", "start": "01:15:48", "text": "everything else, it's like a butterfly"}, {"end": "01:15:56", "start": "01:15:50", "text": "effect. Cascades from there. And at the"}, {"end": "01:15:58", "start": "01:15:53", "text": "micro scale, that's it. But at the macro"}, {"end": "01:16:01", "start": "01:15:56", "text": "scale, it's the same way. Russia has"}, {"end": "01:16:02", "start": "01:15:58", "text": "every incentive to try to find a way to"}, {"end": "01:16:04", "start": "01:16:01", "text": "work with Europe and United States"}, {"end": "01:16:06", "start": "01:16:02", "text": "because China's eating them alive."}, {"end": "01:16:09", "start": "01:16:04", "text": "But we just can't get there with the"}, {"end": "01:16:11", "start": "01:16:06", "text": "trust. So unfortunately, despite the"}, {"end": "01:16:13", "start": "01:16:09", "text": "fact that they have an incentive to try"}, {"end": "01:16:16", "start": "01:16:11", "text": "to work with us to solve a major problem"}, {"end": "01:16:18", "start": "01:16:13", "text": "they have with China, they can't. And"}, {"end": "01:16:20", "start": "01:16:16", "text": "corporations, corporations in many cases"}, {"end": "01:16:22", "start": "01:16:18", "text": "have incentives to work together because"}, {"end": "01:16:23", "start": "01:16:20", "text": "maybe for some product you're building,"}, {"end": "01:16:25", "start": "01:16:22", "text": "somebody else has a piece of technology"}, {"end": "01:16:28", "start": "01:16:23", "text": "that you need. Like Apple was a great"}, {"end": "01:16:30", "start": "01:16:25", "text": "example with Samsung where Samsung makes"}, {"end": "01:16:31", "start": "01:16:28", "text": "all these chips. Apple needed the chips"}, {"end": "01:16:34", "start": "01:16:30", "text": "for its iPhone, but Samsung makes"}, {"end": "01:16:36", "start": "01:16:31", "text": "phones, too. So, how does Apple figure"}, {"end": "01:16:39", "start": "01:16:34", "text": "out how to buy those chips and work with"}, {"end": "01:16:41", "start": "01:16:36", "text": "Samsung, but trust them enough not to"}, {"end": "01:16:43", "start": "01:16:39", "text": "steal the iPhone design to use in the"}, {"end": "01:16:45", "start": "01:16:41", "text": "Samsung Galaxy? So, cooperatively, if"}, {"end": "01:16:47", "start": "01:16:43", "text": "they can find a way to make that happen,"}, {"end": "01:16:49", "start": "01:16:45", "text": "Samsung makes a [\u00a0__\u00a0] ton of money cuz"}, {"end": "01:16:51", "start": "01:16:47", "text": "they get like 100 million iPhones worth"}, {"end": "01:16:53", "start": "01:16:49", "text": "of memory sales, but then Apple also"}, {"end": "01:16:55", "start": "01:16:51", "text": "gets this state-of-the-art technology"}, {"end": "01:16:57", "start": "01:16:53", "text": "that's better for their consumers. But"}, {"end": "01:16:58", "start": "01:16:55", "text": "if they can't find a way to work"}, {"end": "01:17:02", "start": "01:16:57", "text": "together, that's patent litigation and"}, {"end": "01:17:04", "start": "01:16:58", "text": "this and this and this. So by creating a"}, {"end": "01:17:05", "start": "01:17:02", "text": "common space where business processes"}, {"end": "01:17:08", "start": "01:17:04", "text": "and government process any economic,"}, {"end": "01:17:10", "start": "01:17:05", "text": "political or social process can live and"}, {"end": "01:17:13", "start": "01:17:08", "text": "you have trust at the core of it then"}, {"end": "01:17:15", "start": "01:17:10", "text": "all of a sudden you now have a new place"}, {"end": "01:17:18", "start": "01:17:13", "text": "for people who don't trust each other to"}, {"end": "01:17:21", "start": "01:17:15", "text": "be able to start working together as if"}, {"end": "01:17:23", "start": "01:17:18", "text": "they did. And just that example of the"}, {"end": "01:17:25", "start": "01:17:21", "text": "lawsuit thing, it shows you the economic"}, {"end": "01:17:27", "start": "01:17:23", "text": "consequences of it. Literally it's"}, {"end": "01:17:28", "start": "01:17:25", "text": "creation of tens of trillions to"}, {"end": "01:17:31", "start": "01:17:27", "text": "hundreds of trillions of dollars of"}, {"end": "01:17:33", "start": "01:17:28", "text": "wealth. You notice that none of this did"}, {"end": "01:17:34", "start": "01:17:31", "text": "I talk about a token or a particular"}, {"end": "01:17:35", "start": "01:17:33", "text": "cryptocurrency or any of these things."}, {"end": "01:17:38", "start": "01:17:34", "text": "I'm just talking about the abstraction,"}, {"end": "01:17:40", "start": "01:17:35", "text": "the concept of a blockchain. This idea"}, {"end": "01:17:43", "start": "01:17:38", "text": "of a trust layer for it. Then there's a"}, {"end": "01:17:46", "start": "01:17:40", "text": "question, well, why do the tokens exist?"}, {"end": "01:17:48", "start": "01:17:43", "text": "Well, that comes into what type of world"}, {"end": "01:17:50", "start": "01:17:46", "text": "do you want to live in? Do you want your"}, {"end": "01:17:53", "start": "01:17:48", "text": "trust infrastructure to be owned and"}, {"end": "01:17:55", "start": "01:17:50", "text": "controlled by a federated unchanging"}, {"end": "01:17:56", "start": "01:17:53", "text": "oligarchy or do you want it to be"}, {"end": "01:17:58", "start": "01:17:55", "text": "decentralized?"}, {"end": "01:18:00", "start": "01:17:56", "text": "If you don't have the token, it's going"}, {"end": "01:18:03", "start": "01:17:58", "text": "to be controlled by an oligarchy. It has"}, {"end": "01:18:05", "start": "01:18:00", "text": "an operator. It has an owner. Somebody"}, {"end": "01:18:06", "start": "01:18:03", "text": "has to maintain the infrastructure."}, {"end": "01:18:08", "start": "01:18:05", "text": "People aren't going to volunteer to go"}, {"end": "01:18:11", "start": "01:18:06", "text": "hoist up trillions of dollars worth of"}, {"end": "01:18:13", "start": "01:18:08", "text": "infrastructure. So if there's no token,"}, {"end": "01:18:16", "start": "01:18:11", "text": "there's no instrument to pay for all of"}, {"end": "01:18:18", "start": "01:18:13", "text": "those things to exist. You see? So once"}, {"end": "01:18:20", "start": "01:18:16", "text": "you have the token, it can pay for its"}, {"end": "01:18:22", "start": "01:18:18", "text": "own bills to create a resource that you"}, {"end": "01:18:24", "start": "01:18:20", "text": "can use. So Bitcoin creates its own"}, {"end": "01:18:27", "start": "01:18:22", "text": "token. Then suddenly we go from me"}, {"end": "01:18:30", "start": "01:18:24", "text": "mining on my laptop in 2010 and getting"}, {"end": "01:18:31", "start": "01:18:27", "text": "lots of bitcoins to gigantic mining"}, {"end": "01:18:33", "start": "01:18:30", "text": "fields that the president's son Eric"}, {"end": "01:18:35", "start": "01:18:31", "text": "Trump has and all these other people"}, {"end": "01:18:37", "start": "01:18:33", "text": "have billions of dollars worth of"}, {"end": "01:18:39", "start": "01:18:35", "text": "miners. Where was the central Bitcoin"}, {"end": "01:18:40", "start": "01:18:37", "text": "bureau, you know, telling people to do"}, {"end": "01:18:42", "start": "01:18:39", "text": "that? There was none. It was just a"}, {"end": "01:18:44", "start": "01:18:40", "text": "token. And people through their own"}, {"end": "01:18:46", "start": "01:18:42", "text": "self-interest, independent of any"}, {"end": "01:18:48", "start": "01:18:44", "text": "central coordination came together and"}, {"end": "01:18:50", "start": "01:18:46", "text": "they built out that mesh. And now"}, {"end": "01:18:52", "start": "01:18:48", "text": "Bitcoin is secured by the largest"}, {"end": "01:18:53", "start": "01:18:50", "text": "computer in the world, distributed"}, {"end": "01:18:56", "start": "01:18:52", "text": "computer in the world, but secured by"}, {"end": "01:18:59", "start": "01:18:53", "text": "the largest function there. So the token"}, {"end": "01:19:01", "start": "01:18:56", "text": "creates the resource and it creates the"}, {"end": "01:19:03", "start": "01:18:59", "text": "decentralization to maintain and operate"}, {"end": "01:19:05", "start": "01:19:01", "text": "that system. Now if you don't care about"}, {"end": "01:19:08", "start": "01:19:03", "text": "that and you say, you know what, I just"}, {"end": "01:19:09", "start": "01:19:05", "text": "really trust Microsoft and Google and"}, {"end": "01:19:11", "start": "01:19:08", "text": "Amazon and I really trust the US"}, {"end": "01:19:13", "start": "01:19:09", "text": "government or China or whatever, well"}, {"end": "01:19:14", "start": "01:19:11", "text": "then you don't need it. You can run in a"}, {"end": "01:19:16", "start": "01:19:13", "text": "federated sense. But here are the"}, {"end": "01:19:19", "start": "01:19:14", "text": "consequences. The minute you trust them,"}, {"end": "01:19:22", "start": "01:19:16", "text": "they own what goes in that and what"}, {"end": "01:19:26", "start": "01:19:19", "text": "doesn't go in that ledger. So if they're"}, {"end": "01:19:29", "start": "01:19:22", "text": "told, compelled or decide themselves to"}, {"end": "01:19:32", "start": "01:19:26", "text": "exclude somebody, they can censor anyone"}, {"end": "01:19:34", "start": "01:19:29", "text": "from the global order. So they have a"}, {"end": "01:19:36", "start": "01:19:32", "text": "monopoly on trust and they have a"}, {"end": "01:19:38", "start": "01:19:34", "text": "monopoly on truth and they have a"}, {"end": "01:19:39", "start": "01:19:36", "text": "monopoly on who gets to play in the pond"}, {"end": "01:19:41", "start": "01:19:38", "text": "and who doesn't get to play in the pond."}, {"end": "01:19:43", "start": "01:19:39", "text": "We saw this with social media. Mhm. If"}, {"end": "01:19:44", "start": "01:19:41", "text": "they own the platform, they get to"}, {"end": "01:19:46", "start": "01:19:43", "text": "decide what's legitimate on the"}, {"end": "01:19:48", "start": "01:19:44", "text": "platform, what's not legitimate on the"}, {"end": "01:19:50", "start": "01:19:46", "text": "platform. So, you say, \"Hey, you know,"}, {"end": "01:19:51", "start": "01:19:48", "text": "I'm a doctor and this co thing is pretty"}, {"end": "01:19:53", "start": "01:19:50", "text": "bad and uh you know, I think these"}, {"end": "01:19:55", "start": "01:19:51", "text": "vaccines have issues.\" Oh, I'm sorry."}, {"end": "01:19:57", "start": "01:19:53", "text": "That's against our community standards."}, {"end": "01:20:00", "start": "01:19:55", "text": "You're blacklisted. You can never speak"}, {"end": "01:20:01", "start": "01:19:57", "text": "again. You're deplatformed. Or uh you"}, {"end": "01:20:03", "start": "01:20:00", "text": "know, hunter body laptop or you know,"}, {"end": "01:20:04", "start": "01:20:01", "text": "pick your favorite topic. Whatever the"}, {"end": "01:20:06", "start": "01:20:03", "text": "heck it is, you get blacklist and"}, {"end": "01:20:08", "start": "01:20:04", "text": "banished from the world. And you say,"}, {"end": "01:20:11", "start": "01:20:06", "text": "\"Well, that's not fair. Who do I appeal"}, {"end": "01:20:13", "start": "01:20:08", "text": "to? There's got to be.\" Well, actually,"}, {"end": "01:20:15", "start": "01:20:11", "text": "it's that five guys, they're not going"}, {"end": "01:20:17", "start": "01:20:13", "text": "to change. They control the thing. So,"}, {"end": "01:20:19", "start": "01:20:15", "text": "unless Elon Musk buys them or some weird"}, {"end": "01:20:21", "start": "01:20:17", "text": "black swan event happens, you're stuck"}, {"end": "01:20:23", "start": "01:20:19", "text": "with that configuration. When it's"}, {"end": "01:20:25", "start": "01:20:21", "text": "decentralized, no one has censorship"}, {"end": "01:20:27", "start": "01:20:23", "text": "capabilities. Nobody can come in and"}, {"end": "01:20:28", "start": "01:20:25", "text": "say, \"Well, I don't like Shawn Ryan. I"}, {"end": "01:20:30", "start": "01:20:27", "text": "don't like his content, so I'm going to"}, {"end": "01:20:32", "start": "01:20:28", "text": "kick him out.\" No. Everybody gets to"}, {"end": "01:20:35", "start": "01:20:30", "text": "play the good, the bad, and the ugly"}, {"end": "01:20:37", "start": "01:20:32", "text": "inside that type of a system. So in a"}, {"end": "01:20:40", "start": "01:20:35", "text": "world that's multi-olar, in a world"}, {"end": "01:20:41", "start": "01:20:37", "text": "that's highly, you know, tribal and"}, {"end": "01:20:44", "start": "01:20:40", "text": "there's all these factions fighting each"}, {"end": "01:20:46", "start": "01:20:41", "text": "other, it makes a lot of sense to have"}, {"end": "01:20:48", "start": "01:20:44", "text": "something where we have something that"}, {"end": "01:20:50", "start": "01:20:46", "text": "we all agree on is a universal good"}, {"end": "01:20:51", "start": "01:20:48", "text": "thing and we all use despite our"}, {"end": "01:20:53", "start": "01:20:50", "text": "differences because once we have that,"}, {"end": "01:20:56", "start": "01:20:51", "text": "then we at least have some anchor of"}, {"end": "01:20:57", "start": "01:20:53", "text": "trust. Is you know your agency guys, you"}, {"end": "01:20:59", "start": "01:20:56", "text": "probably remember all the Russian"}, {"end": "01:21:02", "start": "01:20:57", "text": "propaganda. Russian propaganda didn't"}, {"end": "01:21:04", "start": "01:20:59", "text": "try to convince you things were true or"}, {"end": "01:21:07", "start": "01:21:02", "text": "not true. They attack the very concept"}, {"end": "01:21:09", "start": "01:21:04", "text": "of truth. They would go out and erode it"}, {"end": "01:21:11", "start": "01:21:07", "text": "and get people so fatigued and exhausted"}, {"end": "01:21:13", "start": "01:21:09", "text": "that you you just don't even care"}, {"end": "01:21:14", "start": "01:21:11", "text": "anymore if people are lying. You don't"}, {"end": "01:21:16", "start": "01:21:13", "text": "even care anymore what's real and what's"}, {"end": "01:21:18", "start": "01:21:14", "text": "not real. You're just exhausted with the"}, {"end": "01:21:20", "start": "01:21:16", "text": "whole thing. And that's where we're at"}, {"end": "01:21:21", "start": "01:21:18", "text": "in America right now. There's"}, {"end": "01:21:24", "start": "01:21:20", "text": "institutional exhaustion. When I was a"}, {"end": "01:21:26", "start": "01:21:21", "text": "kid, if you're sitting at a bar and the"}, {"end": "01:21:27", "start": "01:21:24", "text": "guy next to you was from the CDC, you'd"}, {"end": "01:21:29", "start": "01:21:26", "text": "say, \"Wow, that's really cool.\" You"}, {"end": "01:21:31", "start": "01:21:27", "text": "know, you're the guys who wear the the"}, {"end": "01:21:32", "start": "01:21:29", "text": "the the suits and go in and deal with"}, {"end": "01:21:34", "start": "01:21:31", "text": "the Ebola and everything. you're a very"}, {"end": "01:21:35", "start": "01:21:32", "text": "courageous person. Now you look at it's"}, {"end": "01:21:37", "start": "01:21:34", "text": "like you're the guy who just tried to"}, {"end": "01:21:39", "start": "01:21:35", "text": "kill my kids with vaccines and all these"}, {"end": "01:21:41", "start": "01:21:37", "text": "other things like institutional loss of"}, {"end": "01:21:44", "start": "01:21:39", "text": "faith and the same for the FBI and the"}, {"end": "01:21:45", "start": "01:21:41", "text": "CIA and the same for many cases the"}, {"end": "01:21:47", "start": "01:21:44", "text": "military like a lot of soldiers who"}, {"end": "01:21:49", "start": "01:21:45", "text": "fought in Giwat they watched their"}, {"end": "01:21:50", "start": "01:21:47", "text": "friends die in Afghanistan and then the"}, {"end": "01:21:52", "start": "01:21:49", "text": "US government says you know a good"}, {"end": "01:21:54", "start": "01:21:50", "text": "outcome for that war was to give it back"}, {"end": "01:21:57", "start": "01:21:52", "text": "to the people that we we literally took"}, {"end": "01:21:59", "start": "01:21:54", "text": "it from and it's like oh well what what"}, {"end": "01:22:01", "start": "01:21:57", "text": "was the purpose of all of this then? So"}, {"end": "01:22:03", "start": "01:21:59", "text": "you have this institutional"}, {"end": "01:22:05", "start": "01:22:01", "text": "anger that's formed and everybody"}, {"end": "01:22:07", "start": "01:22:03", "text": "doesn't trust anything anymore. And then"}, {"end": "01:22:08", "start": "01:22:05", "text": "any government report comes out, the"}, {"end": "01:22:10", "start": "01:22:07", "text": "first thing people do is they take a"}, {"end": "01:22:13", "start": "01:22:08", "text": "look at what their tribe's opinion is"}, {"end": "01:22:14", "start": "01:22:10", "text": "and they don't even care what it says."}, {"end": "01:22:17", "start": "01:22:13", "text": "They just basically say it's true or"}, {"end": "01:22:19", "start": "01:22:14", "text": "false based upon what the tribe says. So"}, {"end": "01:22:22", "start": "01:22:17", "text": "we just live through Biden and under"}, {"end": "01:22:24", "start": "01:22:19", "text": "that regime, you know, if the CDC said"}, {"end": "01:22:27", "start": "01:22:22", "text": "something or NIH said something, it's"}, {"end": "01:22:28", "start": "01:22:24", "text": "100% true 100% of the time. Now that"}, {"end": "01:22:30", "start": "01:22:27", "text": "Robert Kennedy's in and Trump's in"}, {"end": "01:22:33", "start": "01:22:28", "text": "control, if the CDC says something and"}, {"end": "01:22:34", "start": "01:22:30", "text": "NIH says something, it's 100% false 100%"}, {"end": "01:22:36", "start": "01:22:33", "text": "of the time. So much so when they're"}, {"end": "01:22:39", "start": "01:22:34", "text": "saying like, \"Hey, these artificial food"}, {"end": "01:22:40", "start": "01:22:36", "text": "dyes are pretty bad for people.\" You"}, {"end": "01:22:42", "start": "01:22:39", "text": "have all these people that traditionally"}, {"end": "01:22:44", "start": "01:22:40", "text": "the yoga people and the, you know,"}, {"end": "01:22:45", "start": "01:22:42", "text": "living health and vegan people, they're"}, {"end": "01:22:47", "start": "01:22:44", "text": "like, \"No, no, I just, no, they're"}, {"end": "01:22:49", "start": "01:22:45", "text": "awesome. We want some food dyes in our"}, {"end": "01:22:51", "start": "01:22:47", "text": "food now. You know, it's they're great.\""}, {"end": "01:22:53", "start": "01:22:49", "text": "It's like, what are we doing? It's"}, {"end": "01:22:55", "start": "01:22:51", "text": "because you no longer have objectivity"}, {"end": "01:22:58", "start": "01:22:53", "text": "in the world. the concept of truth has"}, {"end": "01:23:00", "start": "01:22:55", "text": "been damaged. So that's what blockchain"}, {"end": "01:23:02", "start": "01:22:58", "text": "is basically selling is it's selling"}, {"end": "01:23:05", "start": "01:23:00", "text": "this idea of objective reality in a"}, {"end": "01:23:06", "start": "01:23:02", "text": "truth a synthetic objective reality then"}, {"end": "01:23:08", "start": "01:23:05", "text": "you can build an economic system from it"}, {"end": "01:23:10", "start": "01:23:06", "text": "then you can build a political system"}, {"end": "01:23:11", "start": "01:23:08", "text": "from it then you can build a social"}, {"end": "01:23:13", "start": "01:23:10", "text": "system from it a way of communicating"}, {"end": "01:23:15", "start": "01:23:11", "text": "with each other and if you have faith"}, {"end": "01:23:17", "start": "01:23:13", "text": "and belief in the underlying mathematics"}, {"end": "01:23:20", "start": "01:23:15", "text": "and the level of decentralization then"}, {"end": "01:23:22", "start": "01:23:17", "text": "you start trusting the outputs of these"}, {"end": "01:23:23", "start": "01:23:20", "text": "systems when I send you a transaction"}, {"end": "01:23:26", "start": "01:23:22", "text": "you say well how do I really know I have"}, {"end": "01:23:27", "start": "01:23:23", "text": "the money well if the system works in"}, {"end": "01:23:29", "start": "01:23:26", "text": "this way, you know, you have it because"}, {"end": "01:23:31", "start": "01:23:27", "text": "you can check it from the ledger. Great."}, {"end": "01:23:33", "start": "01:23:29", "text": "If you don't trust the ledger, then you"}, {"end": "01:23:34", "start": "01:23:31", "text": "don't know if you have the money. The"}, {"end": "01:23:37", "start": "01:23:33", "text": "voting is another thing. You know, Trump"}, {"end": "01:23:39", "start": "01:23:34", "text": "lost in 2020. Said, \"Oh, it was rigged.\""}, {"end": "01:23:41", "start": "01:23:37", "text": "And when Al Gore lost in 2000, oh, it's"}, {"end": "01:23:44", "start": "01:23:39", "text": "rigged, you know, and uh it's like every"}, {"end": "01:23:48", "start": "01:23:41", "text": "election of my lifetime since like n"}, {"end": "01:23:50", "start": "01:23:44", "text": "basically since 1988. Like it's it's"}, {"end": "01:23:52", "start": "01:23:48", "text": "been rigged in some way, you know, and"}, {"end": "01:23:53", "start": "01:23:50", "text": "and it's always a loser who complains."}, {"end": "01:23:55", "start": "01:23:52", "text": "Wouldn't it be nice to have a voting"}, {"end": "01:23:57", "start": "01:23:53", "text": "system where you could check your vote"}, {"end": "01:23:58", "start": "01:23:55", "text": "and know it was counted correctly and"}, {"end": "01:24:00", "start": "01:23:57", "text": "you can check the integrity of the"}, {"end": "01:24:02", "start": "01:23:58", "text": "system as a whole? It's the exact same"}, {"end": "01:24:04", "start": "01:24:00", "text": "problem as building a decentralized"}, {"end": "01:24:06", "start": "01:24:02", "text": "money system and the exact same problem"}, {"end": "01:24:08", "start": "01:24:04", "text": "as building a decentralized social"}, {"end": "01:24:09", "start": "01:24:06", "text": "network and the exact same problem as"}, {"end": "01:24:10", "start": "01:24:08", "text": "building a medical record system because"}, {"end": "01:24:13", "start": "01:24:09", "text": "you can use blockchain to do all of"}, {"end": "01:24:14", "start": "01:24:10", "text": "that. And as long as you trust that the"}, {"end": "01:24:17", "start": "01:24:13", "text": "underlying infrastructure is secure,"}, {"end": "01:24:19", "start": "01:24:14", "text": "you're good. And my job, my life's goal"}, {"end": "01:24:21", "start": "01:24:17", "text": "is how do I make it secure? You know,"}, {"end": "01:24:23", "start": "01:24:19", "text": "how do I get the science right? How do I"}, {"end": "01:24:26", "start": "01:24:21", "text": "make it decentralized? How do I make it"}, {"end": "01:24:28", "start": "01:24:23", "text": "resilient to attacks? And why the token"}, {"end": "01:24:30", "start": "01:24:26", "text": "prices are so awesome is it creates a"}, {"end": "01:24:32", "start": "01:24:28", "text": "reward to break the system? You know,"}, {"end": "01:24:34", "start": "01:24:30", "text": "when I first started, Bitcoin was under"}, {"end": "01:24:36", "start": "01:24:32", "text": "a dollar. No one cared. You couldn't pay"}, {"end": "01:24:38", "start": "01:24:34", "text": "somebody to take it and attack it. Now"}, {"end": "01:24:41", "start": "01:24:36", "text": "you have these multi-trillion dollar"}, {"end": "01:24:43", "start": "01:24:38", "text": "systems. So, every single day, the most"}, {"end": "01:24:45", "start": "01:24:41", "text": "vicious hackers and the most vicious"}, {"end": "01:24:47", "start": "01:24:43", "text": "attackers are trying to beat the crap"}, {"end": "01:24:49", "start": "01:24:45", "text": "out of the cryptocurrency space to steal"}, {"end": "01:24:51", "start": "01:24:47", "text": "money. And they do. North Korea does."}, {"end": "01:24:53", "start": "01:24:49", "text": "It's a national policy. They attack"}, {"end": "01:24:54", "start": "01:24:51", "text": "exchanges all the time and steal"}, {"end": "01:24:57", "start": "01:24:53", "text": "millions and millions of dollars worth"}, {"end": "01:24:59", "start": "01:24:54", "text": "of Ethereum and other tokens and and so"}, {"end": "01:25:01", "start": "01:24:57", "text": "what that does is it creates this"}, {"end": "01:25:03", "start": "01:24:59", "text": "learning and the systems get stronger"}, {"end": "01:25:04", "start": "01:25:01", "text": "and more resilient over time and"}, {"end": "01:25:06", "start": "01:25:03", "text": "eventually they get to a point where"}, {"end": "01:25:08", "start": "01:25:04", "text": "they can run social scale infrastructure"}, {"end": "01:25:10", "start": "01:25:06", "text": "like a nation state's elections or a"}, {"end": "01:25:11", "start": "01:25:08", "text": "nation state's money system or something"}, {"end": "01:25:13", "start": "01:25:10", "text": "like that. So that's kind of crypto in a"}, {"end": "01:25:14", "start": "01:25:11", "text": "nutshell. And the other thing is a smart"}, {"end": "01:25:16", "start": "01:25:13", "text": "cow effect and this is something that's"}, {"end": "01:25:19", "start": "01:25:14", "text": "so cool. So, if you're a rancher, you"}, {"end": "01:25:21", "start": "01:25:16", "text": "always have a lot of dumb cows, but then"}, {"end": "01:25:22", "start": "01:25:19", "text": "you have that one smart cow, and there's"}, {"end": "01:25:25", "start": "01:25:21", "text": "the most frustrating [\u00a0__\u00a0] cow. If you"}, {"end": "01:25:28", "start": "01:25:22", "text": "find it, you shoot it because the smart"}, {"end": "01:25:29", "start": "01:25:25", "text": "cow figures out how to get out. And they"}, {"end": "01:25:31", "start": "01:25:28", "text": "don't just get themselves out. If they"}, {"end": "01:25:33", "start": "01:25:29", "text": "can open up the fence, if they can open"}, {"end": "01:25:37", "start": "01:25:31", "text": "up the gate, all the other cattle follow"}, {"end": "01:25:40", "start": "01:25:33", "text": "them. So, if you invent something in a"}, {"end": "01:25:42", "start": "01:25:37", "text": "global open decentralized sense,"}, {"end": "01:25:44", "start": "01:25:40", "text": "whatever idea you have is everybody"}, {"end": "01:25:46", "start": "01:25:42", "text": "else's idea. So the minute I figure out"}, {"end": "01:25:49", "start": "01:25:44", "text": "a secure protocol, everybody knows the"}, {"end": "01:25:51", "start": "01:25:46", "text": "secure protocol. The minute I figure out"}, {"end": "01:25:52", "start": "01:25:49", "text": "a secure voting system, everybody has a"}, {"end": "01:25:54", "start": "01:25:51", "text": "secure voting system and they're"}, {"end": "01:25:57", "start": "01:25:52", "text": "royalty-free. They're open source. So"}, {"end": "01:26:01", "start": "01:25:54", "text": "what we've seen is an exponential growth"}, {"end": "01:26:02", "start": "01:25:57", "text": "in the innovation in the industry. So uh"}, {"end": "01:26:04", "start": "01:26:01", "text": "a great example would be zero knowledge"}, {"end": "01:26:06", "start": "01:26:02", "text": "proofs. These are some of the wildest"}, {"end": "01:26:08", "start": "01:26:04", "text": "coolest things. They were invented by"}, {"end": "01:26:10", "start": "01:26:06", "text": "MIT back in the 80s is Sylvia Macaulay"}, {"end": "01:26:12", "start": "01:26:08", "text": "and all these other guys and they were"}, {"end": "01:26:13", "start": "01:26:10", "text": "geniuses and they got like the Nobel"}, {"end": "01:26:15", "start": "01:26:12", "text": "Prize in computer science for it. But"}, {"end": "01:26:16", "start": "01:26:13", "text": "basically the idea of a zero knowledge"}, {"end": "01:26:19", "start": "01:26:15", "text": "proof is for me to prove something to"}, {"end": "01:26:21", "start": "01:26:16", "text": "you without me telling you what it is."}, {"end": "01:26:23", "start": "01:26:19", "text": "So for example, uh let's say I want to"}, {"end": "01:26:25", "start": "01:26:21", "text": "prove to you my age and and I'm over a"}, {"end": "01:26:27", "start": "01:26:23", "text": "threshold. Like you go to a bar and you"}, {"end": "01:26:29", "start": "01:26:25", "text": "say, \"Hey, are you at or over the age of"}, {"end": "01:26:31", "start": "01:26:27", "text": "21?\" Well, how do you normally do that?"}, {"end": "01:26:33", "start": "01:26:29", "text": "I show you an identity document like uh"}, {"end": "01:26:35", "start": "01:26:31", "text": "like a driver's license or a passport."}, {"end": "01:26:37", "start": "01:26:33", "text": "But then the minute I do it, you know my"}, {"end": "01:26:39", "start": "01:26:35", "text": "exact age. You know my name. You know"}, {"end": "01:26:40", "start": "01:26:37", "text": "all this information. Well, what if I"}, {"end": "01:26:42", "start": "01:26:39", "text": "had a way to just generate a proof and"}, {"end": "01:26:45", "start": "01:26:40", "text": "it's yes or no. Are you at or over the"}, {"end": "01:26:47", "start": "01:26:42", "text": "age of 21, but you don't know my age."}, {"end": "01:26:49", "start": "01:26:45", "text": "That's your knowledge proof. And so they"}, {"end": "01:26:51", "start": "01:26:47", "text": "invented a way to do this in the 80s and"}, {"end": "01:26:53", "start": "01:26:49", "text": "it was an academic toy. No one cared"}, {"end": "01:26:56", "start": "01:26:51", "text": "about it. It was like verified computing"}, {"end": "01:26:57", "start": "01:26:53", "text": "and mathematics stuff and who cares? But"}, {"end": "01:26:58", "start": "01:26:56", "text": "then the cryptocurrency space said,"}, {"end": "01:27:00", "start": "01:26:57", "text": "\"Well, hang on a second. 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So it did probably in the last"}, {"end": "01:27:26", "start": "01:27:21", "text": "5 years more that's been done in 40"}, {"end": "01:27:29", "start": "01:27:23", "text": "years of academic research for that one"}, {"end": "01:27:31", "start": "01:27:26", "text": "thing. Wow. And that's the magic of the"}, {"end": "01:27:33", "start": "01:27:29", "text": "smart cow effect is that when people"}, {"end": "01:27:35", "start": "01:27:31", "text": "start catching on to a good thing, they"}, {"end": "01:27:37", "start": "01:27:33", "text": "just go crazy with it. Voting"}, {"end": "01:27:40", "start": "01:27:35", "text": "innovation, too. Like, why is it, you"}, {"end": "01:27:42", "start": "01:27:37", "text": "know, a giant turd sandwich versus a"}, {"end": "01:27:43", "start": "01:27:40", "text": "giant douche, you know, every freaking"}, {"end": "01:27:45", "start": "01:27:42", "text": "four years? Why do we have horrible"}, {"end": "01:27:49", "start": "01:27:43", "text": "choices? Because the ballot architecture"}, {"end": "01:27:51", "start": "01:27:45", "text": "is wrong. It shouldn't be left or right."}, {"end": "01:27:53", "start": "01:27:49", "text": "It should be a preference order. So"}, {"end": "01:27:55", "start": "01:27:51", "text": "instead of picking one guy, you pick"}, {"end": "01:27:57", "start": "01:27:53", "text": "your top five, you know, and then once"}, {"end": "01:27:59", "start": "01:27:55", "text": "you do something like that, you never"}, {"end": "01:28:00", "start": "01:27:57", "text": "throw your vote away because you'll pick"}, {"end": "01:28:02", "start": "01:27:59", "text": "your absolute most favorite candidate"}, {"end": "01:28:03", "start": "01:28:00", "text": "here and then your second most favorite"}, {"end": "01:28:05", "start": "01:28:02", "text": "and then your third most favorite. So"}, {"end": "01:28:06", "start": "01:28:03", "text": "you can always vote for third parties"}, {"end": "01:28:08", "start": "01:28:05", "text": "and there's no consequence because you"}, {"end": "01:28:10", "start": "01:28:06", "text": "talk to people like more than 70% of"}, {"end": "01:28:12", "start": "01:28:08", "text": "people would like more than just two"}, {"end": "01:28:14", "start": "01:28:10", "text": "options. So if you give that to them"}, {"end": "01:28:16", "start": "01:28:12", "text": "just by a change in ballot architecture,"}, {"end": "01:28:18", "start": "01:28:14", "text": "you would get suddenly get coalitions"}, {"end": "01:28:20", "start": "01:28:16", "text": "and third parties get represented in the"}, {"end": "01:28:22", "start": "01:28:18", "text": "political mirror. But what Democrats and"}, {"end": "01:28:24", "start": "01:28:20", "text": "Republicans did is they got together and"}, {"end": "01:28:26", "start": "01:28:22", "text": "there's only one truly bipartisan thing."}, {"end": "01:28:28", "start": "01:28:24", "text": "It's only Republican Democrats can be"}, {"end": "01:28:30", "start": "01:28:26", "text": "elected, no third parties. So they built"}, {"end": "01:28:33", "start": "01:28:28", "text": "the ballot architecture in a way to"}, {"end": "01:28:34", "start": "01:28:30", "text": "prevent any diversity. So with the"}, {"end": "01:28:36", "start": "01:28:33", "text": "cryptocurrency space, because they have"}, {"end": "01:28:38", "start": "01:28:34", "text": "to govern these decentralized things,"}, {"end": "01:28:39", "start": "01:28:36", "text": "there's no corporation that controls a"}, {"end": "01:28:41", "start": "01:28:38", "text": "cryptocurrency infrastructure. You have"}, {"end": "01:28:43", "start": "01:28:39", "text": "to create onchain governance, which"}, {"end": "01:28:45", "start": "01:28:41", "text": "means you're in the business of building"}, {"end": "01:28:47", "start": "01:28:43", "text": "voting systems and political systems and"}, {"end": "01:28:48", "start": "01:28:45", "text": "all these other things. So what do you"}, {"end": "01:28:51", "start": "01:28:47", "text": "do? you go and you say, \"Okay, well,"}, {"end": "01:28:53", "start": "01:28:48", "text": "God, I need to dust off these books on"}, {"end": "01:28:56", "start": "01:28:51", "text": "political science and voting theory and"}, {"end": "01:28:58", "start": "01:28:53", "text": "stuff from written the 1950s and60s and"}, {"end": "01:29:00", "start": "01:28:56", "text": "literally read them and then implement"}, {"end": "01:29:02", "start": "01:28:58", "text": "them. So, you have quadratic voting and"}, {"end": "01:29:04", "start": "01:29:00", "text": "linear preference. You have board on"}, {"end": "01:29:06", "start": "01:29:02", "text": "contra counts. Uh you have anonymous"}, {"end": "01:29:09", "start": "01:29:04", "text": "ballots, you have voting rounds and"}, {"end": "01:29:11", "start": "01:29:06", "text": "voting times and then maybe uh runoffs"}, {"end": "01:29:13", "start": "01:29:09", "text": "with plurality and liquid democracy is"}, {"end": "01:29:15", "start": "01:29:11", "text": "another example where you actually"}, {"end": "01:29:16", "start": "01:29:13", "text": "delegate power to somebody but you can"}, {"end": "01:29:18", "start": "01:29:15", "text": "pull at any time. So imagine a"}, {"end": "01:29:20", "start": "01:29:16", "text": "congressman that their voting power in"}, {"end": "01:29:22", "start": "01:29:18", "text": "the house is connected to how much"}, {"end": "01:29:23", "start": "01:29:20", "text": "delegation they have, but if you don't"}, {"end": "01:29:25", "start": "01:29:22", "text": "like them, you can pull delegation and"}, {"end": "01:29:26", "start": "01:29:23", "text": "they get less voting power and if they"}, {"end": "01:29:28", "start": "01:29:25", "text": "fall below a threshold, they get kicked"}, {"end": "01:29:30", "start": "01:29:26", "text": "out. It's called liquid feedback. These"}, {"end": "01:29:32", "start": "01:29:28", "text": "things that sounds amazing. Exactly."}, {"end": "01:29:33", "start": "01:29:30", "text": "Right. And these things have existed in"}, {"end": "01:29:35", "start": "01:29:32", "text": "the political science world at"}, {"end": "01:29:37", "start": "01:29:33", "text": "universities and things, but no one ever"}, {"end": "01:29:39", "start": "01:29:35", "text": "adopts them and puts them into the"}, {"end": "01:29:41", "start": "01:29:37", "text": "governing systems because the cadence of"}, {"end": "01:29:43", "start": "01:29:39", "text": "change of a government is is by years"}, {"end": "01:29:46", "start": "01:29:41", "text": "and decades or centuries. Usually takes"}, {"end": "01:29:47", "start": "01:29:43", "text": "a war and you get conquered and then you"}, {"end": "01:29:48", "start": "01:29:46", "text": "build a new political system or an"}, {"end": "01:29:50", "start": "01:29:47", "text": "economic collapse and then you build a"}, {"end": "01:29:52", "start": "01:29:48", "text": "new political system. So maybe you get"}, {"end": "01:29:53", "start": "01:29:50", "text": "to change your voting system two or"}, {"end": "01:29:55", "start": "01:29:52", "text": "three times a century. But in the"}, {"end": "01:29:57", "start": "01:29:53", "text": "cryptocurrency space you have 1.4"}, {"end": "01:30:00", "start": "01:29:55", "text": "million cryptocurrencies that have been"}, {"end": "01:30:02", "start": "01:29:57", "text": "issued since 2010. 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It's"}, {"end": "01:30:37", "start": "01:30:33", "text": "it's so extraordinary and it's so"}, {"end": "01:30:39", "start": "01:30:35", "text": "magical because you're literally"}, {"end": "01:30:41", "start": "01:30:37", "text": "rewriting the fabric of society, you"}, {"end": "01:30:42", "start": "01:30:39", "text": "know, as you do these things and then"}, {"end": "01:30:44", "start": "01:30:41", "text": "eventually the regular world is like,"}, {"end": "01:30:46", "start": "01:30:42", "text": "boy, there's a lot of value that these"}, {"end": "01:30:48", "start": "01:30:44", "text": "guys have created. So they start"}, {"end": "01:30:49", "start": "01:30:46", "text": "adopting it and they start absorbing it."}, {"end": "01:30:51", "start": "01:30:48", "text": "But the problem is that the only way to"}, {"end": "01:30:54", "start": "01:30:49", "text": "get the systems to work truly together"}, {"end": "01:30:57", "start": "01:30:51", "text": "is for you to go from federated to"}, {"end": "01:30:59", "start": "01:30:54", "text": "decentralized. So these big middlemen,"}, {"end": "01:31:00", "start": "01:30:57", "text": "they're going to start evaporating"}, {"end": "01:31:02", "start": "01:30:59", "text": "because there's no reason to use them."}, {"end": "01:31:04", "start": "01:31:00", "text": "And even if they want to hold on to the"}, {"end": "01:31:05", "start": "01:31:02", "text": "monopoly, you know, if there's a more"}, {"end": "01:31:08", "start": "01:31:04", "text": "efficient system that with a different"}, {"end": "01:31:10", "start": "01:31:05", "text": "configuration, some jurisdiction, maybe"}, {"end": "01:31:12", "start": "01:31:08", "text": "Abu Dhabi with the ADGM or Singapore"}, {"end": "01:31:14", "start": "01:31:10", "text": "with a monetary authority will adopt it."}, {"end": "01:31:16", "start": "01:31:12", "text": "And you can't compete against somebody"}, {"end": "01:31:18", "start": "01:31:14", "text": "that's 30% more efficient or 50% more"}, {"end": "01:31:20", "start": "01:31:16", "text": "efficient. capital naturally moves in"}, {"end": "01:31:22", "start": "01:31:18", "text": "that direction and then eventually you"}, {"end": "01:31:23", "start": "01:31:20", "text": "get to a point where the system as a"}, {"end": "01:31:25", "start": "01:31:22", "text": "whole becomes that new standard. It's"}, {"end": "01:31:27", "start": "01:31:23", "text": "very much like the internet and media."}, {"end": "01:31:29", "start": "01:31:25", "text": "Old media they had a monopoly. They"}, {"end": "01:31:32", "start": "01:31:27", "text": "controlled what's real, what's not real."}, {"end": "01:31:33", "start": "01:31:29", "text": "There was fixed distribution points and"}, {"end": "01:31:35", "start": "01:31:32", "text": "then the internet comes out and you can"}, {"end": "01:31:37", "start": "01:31:33", "text": "just get information any way you want."}, {"end": "01:31:40", "start": "01:31:35", "text": "So papers had to learn how to adopt and"}, {"end": "01:31:42", "start": "01:31:37", "text": "adapt that paradigm. And if they didn't,"}, {"end": "01:31:43", "start": "01:31:40", "text": "they died and disappeared. And it's much"}, {"end": "01:31:45", "start": "01:31:42", "text": "the same with cryptocurrencies. 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Call now at 866781-8900."}, {"end": "01:34:07", "start": "01:34:04", "text": "That's 8667818900."}, {"end": "01:34:12", "start": "01:34:08", "text": "Or you can go to"}, {"end": "01:34:12", "start": "01:34:09", "text": "americanfinancing.net/srs."}, {"end": "01:34:19", "start": "01:34:16", "text": "All right, Charles, we're back from the"}, {"end": "01:34:22", "start": "01:34:17", "text": "break. I I'm still trying to wrap my"}, {"end": "01:34:24", "start": "01:34:19", "text": "head around the crypto thing. That That"}, {"end": "01:34:27", "start": "01:34:22", "text": "was, like I said, the best explanation"}, {"end": "01:34:30", "start": "01:34:24", "text": "I've ever heard in my life. But when"}, {"end": "01:34:31", "start": "01:34:27", "text": "you're talking about voting and all"}, {"end": "01:34:33", "start": "01:34:30", "text": "these other things that we can use"}, {"end": "01:34:37", "start": "01:34:31", "text": "blockchain for, I don't I don't"}, {"end": "01:34:39", "start": "01:34:33", "text": "understand how that works. And so h how"}, {"end": "01:34:40", "start": "01:34:37", "text": "would how would we vote on the"}, {"end": "01:34:43", "start": "01:34:39", "text": "blockchain?"}, {"end": "01:34:45", "start": "01:34:40", "text": "Okay, so if you think about a vote, a"}, {"end": "01:34:47", "start": "01:34:43", "text": "vote is kind of like a token. Mhm. You"}, {"end": "01:34:49", "start": "01:34:45", "text": "know, so how many votes you get is how"}, {"end": "01:34:52", "start": "01:34:47", "text": "many tokens you have. And where you send"}, {"end": "01:34:54", "start": "01:34:49", "text": "the token to is who you're voting for."}, {"end": "01:34:55", "start": "01:34:52", "text": "And if you're allowed to vote for just"}, {"end": "01:34:57", "start": "01:34:54", "text": "one person, you have to it's an atomic"}, {"end": "01:34:58", "start": "01:34:55", "text": "transaction. If you're allowed to vote"}, {"end": "01:35:00", "start": "01:34:57", "text": "for multiple people, you have a certain"}, {"end": "01:35:02", "start": "01:34:58", "text": "amount of power. So that's how much"}, {"end": "01:35:04", "start": "01:35:00", "text": "tokens you have and then you split it"}, {"end": "01:35:06", "start": "01:35:02", "text": "amongst multiple addresses. So now that"}, {"end": "01:35:07", "start": "01:35:04", "text": "you have that set up, you're like, \"Wait"}, {"end": "01:35:09", "start": "01:35:06", "text": "a minute, that's exactly the same as"}, {"end": "01:35:11", "start": "01:35:07", "text": "like how Bitcoin works or any of these"}, {"end": "01:35:12", "start": "01:35:09", "text": "cryptocurrencies work. You have tokens"}, {"end": "01:35:15", "start": "01:35:11", "text": "and addresses and you can push them"}, {"end": "01:35:17", "start": "01:35:12", "text": "around.\" So when you do an election,"}, {"end": "01:35:18", "start": "01:35:15", "text": "there are a collection of things you"}, {"end": "01:35:20", "start": "01:35:17", "text": "have to concern yourself with. Like f"}, {"end": "01:35:23", "start": "01:35:18", "text": "first off, who gets the tokens? So these"}, {"end": "01:35:25", "start": "01:35:20", "text": "are registered voters. So the most"}, {"end": "01:35:27", "start": "01:35:23", "text": "important part of any election is what"}, {"end": "01:35:30", "start": "01:35:25", "text": "is your voter registration process and"}, {"end": "01:35:32", "start": "01:35:27", "text": "how secure is that? So we have numerous"}, {"end": "01:35:34", "start": "01:35:30", "text": "people, countries, other people come say"}, {"end": "01:35:35", "start": "01:35:32", "text": "would you like to bid on an RFP for a"}, {"end": "01:35:36", "start": "01:35:34", "text": "blockchain based voting system? And the"}, {"end": "01:35:39", "start": "01:35:35", "text": "very first thing I ask is well what is"}, {"end": "01:35:42", "start": "01:35:36", "text": "your identity system look like? How do"}, {"end": "01:35:43", "start": "01:35:39", "text": "you identify people in your your nation"}, {"end": "01:35:45", "start": "01:35:42", "text": "state? And if that's not a secure"}, {"end": "01:35:47", "start": "01:35:43", "text": "system, I have no desire to build a"}, {"end": "01:35:48", "start": "01:35:45", "text": "voting system because all you're doing"}, {"end": "01:35:51", "start": "01:35:47", "text": "is you're building a very secure way to"}, {"end": "01:35:53", "start": "01:35:48", "text": "count dead people and a very secure way"}, {"end": "01:35:54", "start": "01:35:51", "text": "to count fake people that don't exist"}, {"end": "01:35:56", "start": "01:35:53", "text": "because, you know, because I can always"}, {"end": "01:35:58", "start": "01:35:54", "text": "just register somebody in the ballot. So"}, {"end": "01:36:00", "start": "01:35:56", "text": "the step one is how do you what is your"}, {"end": "01:36:01", "start": "01:35:58", "text": "digital identity component and how do"}, {"end": "01:36:04", "start": "01:36:00", "text": "you get to know somebody is real and"}, {"end": "01:36:06", "start": "01:36:01", "text": "they're suitable for the election. Then"}, {"end": "01:36:09", "start": "01:36:04", "text": "the next stage assuming that everybody"}, {"end": "01:36:10", "start": "01:36:06", "text": "is suitable then you have to decide well"}, {"end": "01:36:13", "start": "01:36:09", "text": "what are the election mechanics that go"}, {"end": "01:36:15", "start": "01:36:10", "text": "on? So is everybody equal so everybody"}, {"end": "01:36:16", "start": "01:36:13", "text": "gets one vote or do certain people have"}, {"end": "01:36:18", "start": "01:36:15", "text": "stronger votes the other so like"}, {"end": "01:36:20", "start": "01:36:16", "text": "weighted votes and so like shareholder"}, {"end": "01:36:22", "start": "01:36:18", "text": "votes are like this and so if you own"}, {"end": "01:36:23", "start": "01:36:20", "text": "stock in Microsoft or Google or"}, {"end": "01:36:25", "start": "01:36:22", "text": "something well if you have a lot of"}, {"end": "01:36:27", "start": "01:36:23", "text": "shares you have more voting power than"}, {"end": "01:36:29", "start": "01:36:25", "text": "other people okay so you can have many"}, {"end": "01:36:31", "start": "01:36:27", "text": "different configurations and again it's"}, {"end": "01:36:33", "start": "01:36:29", "text": "just like tokens how many vote tokens do"}, {"end": "01:36:37", "start": "01:36:31", "text": "you have for that particular thing then"}, {"end": "01:36:40", "start": "01:36:33", "text": "you ask okay is it an anonymous or is it"}, {"end": "01:36:41", "start": "01:36:37", "text": "a public and transparent vote so in a"}, {"end": "01:36:43", "start": "01:36:40", "text": "lot of elections"}, {"end": "01:36:44", "start": "01:36:41", "text": "for shareholder votes. You can see who"}, {"end": "01:36:47", "start": "01:36:43", "text": "voted where. You know, this person voted"}, {"end": "01:36:49", "start": "01:36:44", "text": "against Elon Musk pay package for Tesla."}, {"end": "01:36:51", "start": "01:36:47", "text": "This person voted yes. Okay. Others are"}, {"end": "01:36:53", "start": "01:36:49", "text": "anonymous ballots, meaning that when you"}, {"end": "01:36:55", "start": "01:36:51", "text": "vote, the outside world can't see it."}, {"end": "01:36:58", "start": "01:36:53", "text": "But then you ask another question of"}, {"end": "01:37:00", "start": "01:36:55", "text": "auditability. So just because the"}, {"end": "01:37:04", "start": "01:36:58", "text": "outside world can't see how you voted,"}, {"end": "01:37:06", "start": "01:37:00", "text": "can you see how your vote was recorded?"}, {"end": "01:37:07", "start": "01:37:04", "text": "And some systems, they say no. And the"}, {"end": "01:37:10", "start": "01:37:06", "text": "reason being is they don't want you to"}, {"end": "01:37:11", "start": "01:37:07", "text": "sell your vote because if you can prove"}, {"end": "01:37:13", "start": "01:37:10", "text": "how you voted then you know Bob over"}, {"end": "01:37:15", "start": "01:37:11", "text": "there can give you $100 bill if you vote"}, {"end": "01:37:17", "start": "01:37:13", "text": "this way. In other systems they say yes"}, {"end": "01:37:20", "start": "01:37:15", "text": "you can do that because uh you know you"}, {"end": "01:37:22", "start": "01:37:17", "text": "want to be able to check that. Then"}, {"end": "01:37:24", "start": "01:37:20", "text": "there is the mechanism is it atomic"}, {"end": "01:37:27", "start": "01:37:22", "text": "meaning you can only vote for one thing"}, {"end": "01:37:29", "start": "01:37:24", "text": "or does it allow you to split you vote"}, {"end": "01:37:32", "start": "01:37:27", "text": "for many things and uh so that's rank"}, {"end": "01:37:33", "start": "01:37:29", "text": "choice or linear preference. Um, and"}, {"end": "01:37:35", "start": "01:37:32", "text": "then also you can have mechanics where"}, {"end": "01:37:37", "start": "01:37:33", "text": "if you have a lot of voting power, the"}, {"end": "01:37:39", "start": "01:37:35", "text": "more you vote for any one thing, there's"}, {"end": "01:37:41", "start": "01:37:37", "text": "a dampening effect as as you start"}, {"end": "01:37:42", "start": "01:37:39", "text": "voting more. So if you try to put all"}, {"end": "01:37:44", "start": "01:37:41", "text": "your voting power in, it actually ends"}, {"end": "01:37:46", "start": "01:37:42", "text": "up being less. It's called quadratic"}, {"end": "01:37:50", "start": "01:37:44", "text": "voting. So you have all kinds of"}, {"end": "01:37:52", "start": "01:37:46", "text": "mechanism for that. So those can be"}, {"end": "01:37:54", "start": "01:37:50", "text": "grafted on and built into a"}, {"end": "01:37:56", "start": "01:37:52", "text": "cryptocurrency as an application. And"}, {"end": "01:37:58", "start": "01:37:54", "text": "you can use the blockchain because it's"}, {"end": "01:38:01", "start": "01:37:56", "text": "immutable, it's timestamped, and it's"}, {"end": "01:38:03", "start": "01:37:58", "text": "auditable to audit the system. as a"}, {"end": "01:38:05", "start": "01:38:01", "text": "whole. It's immutable, meaning that once"}, {"end": "01:38:07", "start": "01:38:03", "text": "the vote is counted, it can't be"}, {"end": "01:38:09", "start": "01:38:05", "text": "changed. It's timestamp, meaning that"}, {"end": "01:38:11", "start": "01:38:07", "text": "the vote only occurred in a legitimate"}, {"end": "01:38:12", "start": "01:38:09", "text": "time period when the election was"}, {"end": "01:38:14", "start": "01:38:11", "text": "occurring. It wasn't in and out of the"}, {"end": "01:38:16", "start": "01:38:12", "text": "election period, right? And then it's"}, {"end": "01:38:18", "start": "01:38:14", "text": "auditable, meaning that everybody can"}, {"end": "01:38:21", "start": "01:38:16", "text": "see those records. They can actually"}, {"end": "01:38:23", "start": "01:38:18", "text": "verify that that is what it is. So, you"}, {"end": "01:38:24", "start": "01:38:21", "text": "actually get two properties that are"}, {"end": "01:38:26", "start": "01:38:23", "text": "really cool. Not only can you not you"}, {"end": "01:38:27", "start": "01:38:24", "text": "can verify your own vote was counted"}, {"end": "01:38:29", "start": "01:38:26", "text": "correctly, you can verify the integrity"}, {"end": "01:38:30", "start": "01:38:27", "text": "of the system as a whole. This is a"}, {"end": "01:38:33", "start": "01:38:29", "text": "property called inclusive"}, {"end": "01:38:35", "start": "01:38:30", "text": "accountability. So, and we lack this in"}, {"end": "01:38:37", "start": "01:38:33", "text": "most infrastructure. Everything is trust"}, {"end": "01:38:40", "start": "01:38:35", "text": "me, bro. So, why is the money in your"}, {"end": "01:38:42", "start": "01:38:37", "text": "bank the way it is? Well, that's JP"}, {"end": "01:38:44", "start": "01:38:40", "text": "Morgan Chase's uh ledger or Bank of"}, {"end": "01:38:46", "start": "01:38:42", "text": "America's ledger or something like that."}, {"end": "01:38:48", "start": "01:38:44", "text": "And there's a loose consensus amongst"}, {"end": "01:38:50", "start": "01:38:46", "text": "all the different banks that the ledgers"}, {"end": "01:38:52", "start": "01:38:48", "text": "are accurate, but at the end of the day,"}, {"end": "01:38:54", "start": "01:38:50", "text": "there's no like mutable law of physics"}, {"end": "01:38:57", "start": "01:38:52", "text": "that says the number you see on the"}, {"end": "01:38:59", "start": "01:38:54", "text": "screen is actually an accurate number,"}, {"end": "01:39:01", "start": "01:38:57", "text": "right? So with a system that's"}, {"end": "01:39:03", "start": "01:38:59", "text": "conclusively accountable, any user of"}, {"end": "01:39:05", "start": "01:39:01", "text": "the system has enough information to"}, {"end": "01:39:07", "start": "01:39:03", "text": "reconstruct the entire history of the"}, {"end": "01:39:10", "start": "01:39:05", "text": "system and verify that that state is"}, {"end": "01:39:12", "start": "01:39:07", "text": "correct that they're looking at Bitcoin."}, {"end": "01:39:15", "start": "01:39:10", "text": "Every transaction that's happened since"}, {"end": "01:39:17", "start": "01:39:12", "text": "January 3rd, 2009. Same for Cardano when"}, {"end": "01:39:19", "start": "01:39:15", "text": "it launched is verifiable. Meaning you"}, {"end": "01:39:20", "start": "01:39:17", "text": "can start at the very beginning and go"}, {"end": "01:39:22", "start": "01:39:19", "text": "through the entire history of the"}, {"end": "01:39:24", "start": "01:39:20", "text": "system. And at the tip of the system,"}, {"end": "01:39:28", "start": "01:39:22", "text": "what's going on today here in June of"}, {"end": "01:39:30", "start": "01:39:24", "text": "2025, you'll be able to see that that"}, {"end": "01:39:31", "start": "01:39:28", "text": "transaction is connected to a chain of"}, {"end": "01:39:35", "start": "01:39:30", "text": "events all the way back to the"}, {"end": "01:39:37", "start": "01:39:31", "text": "beginning. So inclusive accountability"}, {"end": "01:39:38", "start": "01:39:35", "text": "is super powerful, but super expensive"}, {"end": "01:39:40", "start": "01:39:37", "text": "to maintain. It's very hard and there's"}, {"end": "01:39:42", "start": "01:39:38", "text": "a lot of work you have to do to have it."}, {"end": "01:39:44", "start": "01:39:40", "text": "But if you have it, it means you can"}, {"end": "01:39:46", "start": "01:39:42", "text": "have self integrity. You personally can"}, {"end": "01:39:47", "start": "01:39:44", "text": "verify with your computer that the"}, {"end": "01:39:48", "start": "01:39:46", "text": "system that you're looking at, the"}, {"end": "01:39:50", "start": "01:39:47", "text": "history that you're looking at is"}, {"end": "01:39:52", "start": "01:39:48", "text": "correct by its construction. This is why"}, {"end": "01:39:55", "start": "01:39:50", "text": "it's so seductive to try to build a"}, {"end": "01:39:56", "start": "01:39:52", "text": "voting system on a blockchain system."}, {"end": "01:39:58", "start": "01:39:55", "text": "Then there's the question you ask of the"}, {"end": "01:40:00", "start": "01:39:56", "text": "on andoff ramp. So what does the user"}, {"end": "01:40:02", "start": "01:39:58", "text": "experience look like? How do I"}, {"end": "01:40:04", "start": "01:40:00", "text": "personally do that? Okay. Well, you'd"}, {"end": "01:40:05", "start": "01:40:02", "text": "have your phone or your computer and the"}, {"end": "01:40:08", "start": "01:40:04", "text": "same way you would send a cryptocurrency"}, {"end": "01:40:10", "start": "01:40:05", "text": "is the same way you would vote. So you'd"}, {"end": "01:40:11", "start": "01:40:08", "text": "vote with your phone or an app. Now a"}, {"end": "01:40:14", "start": "01:40:10", "text": "lot of people say, \"Well, I don't know."}, {"end": "01:40:15", "start": "01:40:11", "text": "My phone can get hacked or, you know,"}, {"end": "01:40:16", "start": "01:40:14", "text": "there can be a problem with it.\" So a"}, {"end": "01:40:18", "start": "01:40:15", "text": "lot of people what they want to do are"}, {"end": "01:40:20", "start": "01:40:16", "text": "what are called hybrid systems where"}, {"end": "01:40:22", "start": "01:40:18", "text": "they have a paper component and they"}, {"end": "01:40:24", "start": "01:40:20", "text": "have a digital component. So you vote"}, {"end": "01:40:27", "start": "01:40:22", "text": "with the blockchain on your phone and"}, {"end": "01:40:28", "start": "01:40:24", "text": "then it generates a paper vote at the"}, {"end": "01:40:30", "start": "01:40:27", "text": "same time or you vote with paper and"}, {"end": "01:40:32", "start": "01:40:28", "text": "then it generates a blockchain record at"}, {"end": "01:40:35", "start": "01:40:30", "text": "the same time. Then you have a dual"}, {"end": "01:40:37", "start": "01:40:32", "text": "audit. The votes have to match. So you"}, {"end": "01:40:38", "start": "01:40:35", "text": "count all the paper, you count all the"}, {"end": "01:40:40", "start": "01:40:37", "text": "digital votes. There should be a"}, {"end": "01:40:41", "start": "01:40:38", "text": "onetoone correspondence between those"}, {"end": "01:40:43", "start": "01:40:40", "text": "two sides. And they're different"}, {"end": "01:40:45", "start": "01:40:41", "text": "modalities. one is a digital modality"}, {"end": "01:40:47", "start": "01:40:43", "text": "and the other one's a paper modality you"}, {"end": "01:40:48", "start": "01:40:45", "text": "know so to hack them you have to use"}, {"end": "01:40:50", "start": "01:40:47", "text": "fundamentally different social"}, {"end": "01:40:53", "start": "01:40:48", "text": "engineering for both of these types of"}, {"end": "01:40:55", "start": "01:40:50", "text": "things now every election has other"}, {"end": "01:40:57", "start": "01:40:53", "text": "properties too like how frequently do"}, {"end": "01:41:00", "start": "01:40:55", "text": "you do an election what's the cost of"}, {"end": "01:41:02", "start": "01:40:57", "text": "running the election the ballot access"}, {"end": "01:41:03", "start": "01:41:00", "text": "is also very important in fact um you"}, {"end": "01:41:06", "start": "01:41:02", "text": "know Stalin used to say it doesn't"}, {"end": "01:41:07", "start": "01:41:03", "text": "matter uh you know who gets the vote it"}, {"end": "01:41:09", "start": "01:41:06", "text": "matters who counts the votes and what do"}, {"end": "01:41:11", "start": "01:41:07", "text": "you vote on so if there's only one"}, {"end": "01:41:12", "start": "01:41:09", "text": "candidate on the ballot you're always"}, {"end": "01:41:14", "start": "01:41:11", "text": "going to end up with Kim Jong on, you"}, {"end": "01:41:17", "start": "01:41:12", "text": "know, you always end up with the guy."}, {"end": "01:41:18", "start": "01:41:14", "text": "Um, so, uh, who gets to be on that"}, {"end": "01:41:20", "start": "01:41:17", "text": "ballot and what are the inclusion"}, {"end": "01:41:21", "start": "01:41:18", "text": "exclusion principles of this and this is"}, {"end": "01:41:24", "start": "01:41:20", "text": "how third parties are excluded in the"}, {"end": "01:41:27", "start": "01:41:21", "text": "United States amongst other places. And"}, {"end": "01:41:29", "start": "01:41:24", "text": "then, um, when and how is the counting"}, {"end": "01:41:31", "start": "01:41:27", "text": "and tallying done? The blockchain system"}, {"end": "01:41:33", "start": "01:41:29", "text": "will take care of the tallying and also"}, {"end": "01:41:35", "start": "01:41:31", "text": "you can program any ballot architecture"}, {"end": "01:41:37", "start": "01:41:33", "text": "that you want inside that type of system"}, {"end": "01:41:39", "start": "01:41:35", "text": "because there's no cost on a digital"}, {"end": "01:41:42", "start": "01:41:37", "text": "side to have a million candidates in the"}, {"end": "01:41:43", "start": "01:41:39", "text": "system. the paper side there is. So"}, {"end": "01:41:45", "start": "01:41:42", "text": "that's one of the excuses they use to"}, {"end": "01:41:47", "start": "01:41:43", "text": "exclude people unless they sign hundreds"}, {"end": "01:41:49", "start": "01:41:45", "text": "of thousands of signatures and things"}, {"end": "01:41:51", "start": "01:41:47", "text": "like that is that they'll say, well, you"}, {"end": "01:41:52", "start": "01:41:49", "text": "know, we can't print, you know, 5,000"}, {"end": "01:41:54", "start": "01:41:51", "text": "people on the ballot. It'd be"}, {"end": "01:41:56", "start": "01:41:52", "text": "prohibitively expensive to print like 40"}, {"end": "01:41:58", "start": "01:41:54", "text": "pages times 5 million, you know,"}, {"end": "01:42:02", "start": "01:41:56", "text": "something like that. It doesn't make"}, {"end": "01:42:03", "start": "01:41:58", "text": "sense. So in your trade-off profile,"}, {"end": "01:42:05", "start": "01:42:02", "text": "could you just write in a name? You"}, {"end": "01:42:06", "start": "01:42:03", "text": "could. And that's not have anybody on"}, {"end": "01:42:08", "start": "01:42:05", "text": "it, but that's always available in all"}, {"end": "01:42:11", "start": "01:42:06", "text": "ballots, right? there's the right in"}, {"end": "01:42:13", "start": "01:42:08", "text": "spot that they have, you know, and but"}, {"end": "01:42:15", "start": "01:42:11", "text": "uh that's disenfranchising because, you"}, {"end": "01:42:16", "start": "01:42:13", "text": "know, to vote for Bob, you just fill in"}, {"end": "01:42:18", "start": "01:42:15", "text": "a circle. To vote for Bill, you have to"}, {"end": "01:42:20", "start": "01:42:16", "text": "remember his last name, you know, and"}, {"end": "01:42:21", "start": "01:42:18", "text": "what if he has like Schwarzenegger as"}, {"end": "01:42:23", "start": "01:42:20", "text": "his last name or like who's going to"}, {"end": "01:42:25", "start": "01:42:21", "text": "spell that right, you know, and all"}, {"end": "01:42:27", "start": "01:42:23", "text": "these things. So, it's it's the more"}, {"end": "01:42:29", "start": "01:42:25", "text": "your job that would be your job as the"}, {"end": "01:42:30", "start": "01:42:27", "text": "candidate to make sure that that is"}, {"end": "01:42:32", "start": "01:42:29", "text": "addressed. Yeah. You give a stamp,"}, {"end": "01:42:34", "start": "01:42:30", "text": "right? Here's here's the Schwarzenegger"}, {"end": "01:42:36", "start": "01:42:32", "text": "stamp. In fact, they used to do that,"}, {"end": "01:42:39", "start": "01:42:34", "text": "you know, they called it down ticket. Uh"}, {"end": "01:42:41", "start": "01:42:36", "text": "so uh in the 19th century when voter"}, {"end": "01:42:44", "start": "01:42:39", "text": "laws were a little looser uh people"}, {"end": "01:42:45", "start": "01:42:41", "text": "would print out ballots with the entire"}, {"end": "01:42:46", "start": "01:42:44", "text": "stuff already pre-filled out and they"}, {"end": "01:42:48", "start": "01:42:45", "text": "would hand it to people as they're"}, {"end": "01:42:50", "start": "01:42:46", "text": "walking to the polling thing. So they"}, {"end": "01:42:52", "start": "01:42:48", "text": "say a down ticket candidate meant that"}, {"end": "01:42:54", "start": "01:42:50", "text": "the whole party was on one ballot and so"}, {"end": "01:42:55", "start": "01:42:52", "text": "all the Republicans would be on it or"}, {"end": "01:42:57", "start": "01:42:54", "text": "all the Democrats run here's your"}, {"end": "01:42:58", "start": "01:42:55", "text": "pre-filled ballot just go and drop it in"}, {"end": "01:43:00", "start": "01:42:57", "text": "the box. And they would stand outside"}, {"end": "01:43:02", "start": "01:42:58", "text": "the polling places and hand people that."}, {"end": "01:43:03", "start": "01:43:00", "text": "And they'd also bribe people too. They'd"}, {"end": "01:43:05", "start": "01:43:02", "text": "be like hey you want a drink? you know,"}, {"end": "01:43:07", "start": "01:43:03", "text": "like you have to take this and put it in"}, {"end": "01:43:09", "start": "01:43:05", "text": "the box if I give you a beer. Okay? It's"}, {"end": "01:43:12", "start": "01:43:07", "text": "like all kinds of dirty stuff happens in"}, {"end": "01:43:14", "start": "01:43:09", "text": "elections. So, you know, it at the very"}, {"end": "01:43:15", "start": "01:43:12", "text": "least having the digital side to replace"}, {"end": "01:43:17", "start": "01:43:14", "text": "mail-in ballots makes a lot of sense to"}, {"end": "01:43:19", "start": "01:43:15", "text": "me because I I hate mail-in ballots."}, {"end": "01:43:21", "start": "01:43:17", "text": "It's one of the worst ways of voting."}, {"end": "01:43:24", "start": "01:43:19", "text": "You don't have a chain of custody of the"}, {"end": "01:43:26", "start": "01:43:21", "text": "ballot. You send it out over the open"}, {"end": "01:43:27", "start": "01:43:24", "text": "mail. You have no idea who's actually"}, {"end": "01:43:30", "start": "01:43:26", "text": "filling in the bubbles. And also, you"}, {"end": "01:43:31", "start": "01:43:27", "text": "can sell your vote very easily cuz you"}, {"end": "01:43:33", "start": "01:43:30", "text": "just hand the ballot to the person who's"}, {"end": "01:43:34", "start": "01:43:31", "text": "buying the vote. they can fill in all"}, {"end": "01:43:35", "start": "01:43:33", "text": "the bubbles and you sign it. They're"}, {"end": "01:43:37", "start": "01:43:34", "text": "like, \"Oh, that's fraud.\" It's like,"}, {"end": "01:43:39", "start": "01:43:35", "text": "\"Who's going to know?\" And the other"}, {"end": "01:43:40", "start": "01:43:37", "text": "thing is compromised people. You can do"}, {"end": "01:43:42", "start": "01:43:39", "text": "bundling. You can just go to an old"}, {"end": "01:43:44", "start": "01:43:40", "text": "folks home and register hundreds or"}, {"end": "01:43:46", "start": "01:43:42", "text": "thousands of people in an area and"}, {"end": "01:43:47", "start": "01:43:44", "text": "they're all mentally compromised and"}, {"end": "01:43:48", "start": "01:43:46", "text": "then the ballots show up because they"}, {"end": "01:43:50", "start": "01:43:47", "text": "have a legal right to vote. You can't"}, {"end": "01:43:52", "start": "01:43:48", "text": "exclude them and then you can just fill"}, {"end": "01:43:53", "start": "01:43:50", "text": "the ballots all in and then do a drop in"}, {"end": "01:43:55", "start": "01:43:52", "text": "the middle of the night for people. So,"}, {"end": "01:43:57", "start": "01:43:53", "text": "it's a horrifically insecure system."}, {"end": "01:43:58", "start": "01:43:55", "text": "When you really start thinking about all"}, {"end": "01:43:59", "start": "01:43:57", "text": "the things that could go wrong and they"}, {"end": "01:44:01", "start": "01:43:58", "text": "say, \"Oh, they're going to do signature"}, {"end": "01:44:02", "start": "01:43:59", "text": "verification.\" It's like that never"}, {"end": "01:44:04", "start": "01:44:01", "text": "really works. It's not a digital"}, {"end": "01:44:06", "start": "01:44:02", "text": "signature. It's you just sign it like"}, {"end": "01:44:08", "start": "01:44:04", "text": "how many are actually rejected inside"}, {"end": "01:44:11", "start": "01:44:06", "text": "these types of things. So building"}, {"end": "01:44:12", "start": "01:44:08", "text": "voting systems I I like the idea of of"}, {"end": "01:44:15", "start": "01:44:11", "text": "preserving inclusive accountability"}, {"end": "01:44:17", "start": "01:44:12", "text": "allowing you to check your own vote and"}, {"end": "01:44:19", "start": "01:44:15", "text": "also you have to have a strong digital"}, {"end": "01:44:21", "start": "01:44:17", "text": "ID system for it. Then 95% of the"}, {"end": "01:44:23", "start": "01:44:19", "text": "integrity issues are probably gone. And"}, {"end": "01:44:25", "start": "01:44:21", "text": "if it's on blockchain infrastructure you"}, {"end": "01:44:26", "start": "01:44:23", "text": "have that inclusive accountability. You"}, {"end": "01:44:28", "start": "01:44:25", "text": "know the system as a whole is properly"}, {"end": "01:44:29", "start": "01:44:26", "text": "constructed. And again, that smart cow"}, {"end": "01:44:32", "start": "01:44:28", "text": "effect that we were talking about"}, {"end": "01:44:34", "start": "01:44:29", "text": "earlier, once somebody has designed a"}, {"end": "01:44:37", "start": "01:44:32", "text": "secure voting system, it's free."}, {"end": "01:44:39", "start": "01:44:34", "text": "Everybody has access to that design of"}, {"end": "01:44:40", "start": "01:44:37", "text": "that secure voting system. So, what's"}, {"end": "01:44:43", "start": "01:44:39", "text": "nice about the cryptocurrency space is"}, {"end": "01:44:46", "start": "01:44:40", "text": "to vote on changes to cryptocurrencies"}, {"end": "01:44:48", "start": "01:44:43", "text": "like new monetary policy or upgrading"}, {"end": "01:44:51", "start": "01:44:46", "text": "the code or something like that. You're"}, {"end": "01:44:53", "start": "01:44:48", "text": "testing a voting system and the hacker"}, {"end": "01:44:54", "start": "01:44:51", "text": "has an incentive to try to break that to"}, {"end": "01:44:56", "start": "01:44:53", "text": "steal the money or damage the"}, {"end": "01:44:57", "start": "01:44:54", "text": "cryptocurrency. Because if you can"}, {"end": "01:44:59", "start": "01:44:56", "text": "damage a cryptocurrency, you can short"}, {"end": "01:45:00", "start": "01:44:57", "text": "sell it, right? You can go and say, \"I'm"}, {"end": "01:45:02", "start": "01:44:59", "text": "going to take all these short positions"}, {"end": "01:45:04", "start": "01:45:00", "text": "here and then I'll create grievous harm"}, {"end": "01:45:06", "start": "01:45:02", "text": "and then the value goes down and I make"}, {"end": "01:45:08", "start": "01:45:04", "text": "tons of money because I'm leveraging for"}, {"end": "01:45:10", "start": "01:45:06", "text": "it.\" So, everybody has a strong"}, {"end": "01:45:12", "start": "01:45:08", "text": "financial incentive to break your [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "01:45:14", "start": "01:45:10", "text": "Uh so, if you have that, that means that"}, {"end": "01:45:15", "start": "01:45:12", "text": "any voting system will be under extreme"}, {"end": "01:45:17", "start": "01:45:14", "text": "scrutiny by some of the world's greatest"}, {"end": "01:45:20", "start": "01:45:15", "text": "hackers. And if it stands the test of"}, {"end": "01:45:22", "start": "01:45:17", "text": "time, it has reliability and just like"}, {"end": "01:45:24", "start": "01:45:20", "text": "RSA does or elliptic curve crypto does,"}, {"end": "01:45:26", "start": "01:45:22", "text": "it's like the multi-deade reliability"}, {"end": "01:45:27", "start": "01:45:24", "text": "that you have. And then you could say,"}, {"end": "01:45:29", "start": "01:45:26", "text": "okay, that's a good voting system. And"}, {"end": "01:45:31", "start": "01:45:27", "text": "we can plop it down. Voting systems are"}, {"end": "01:45:33", "start": "01:45:29", "text": "also connected to demographics. You"}, {"end": "01:45:35", "start": "01:45:31", "text": "know, the older people may want to use"}, {"end": "01:45:37", "start": "01:45:33", "text": "paper. Younger people because they're"}, {"end": "01:45:39", "start": "01:45:35", "text": "natives on phones would want to use"}, {"end": "01:45:40", "start": "01:45:37", "text": "phones. By having a hybrid system, you"}, {"end": "01:45:42", "start": "01:45:39", "text": "accommodate basically both sides of the"}, {"end": "01:45:44", "start": "01:45:40", "text": "system. And and then uh they're also"}, {"end": "01:45:46", "start": "01:45:42", "text": "connected to frequency, like how often"}, {"end": "01:45:48", "start": "01:45:44", "text": "are you having an election. What's nice"}, {"end": "01:45:51", "start": "01:45:46", "text": "is by having a digital system, you can"}, {"end": "01:45:52", "start": "01:45:48", "text": "do digital only for preference polling."}, {"end": "01:45:54", "start": "01:45:51", "text": "So you can say things like, \"Hey, the"}, {"end": "01:45:56", "start": "01:45:52", "text": "Broncos just won the Super Bowl and"}, {"end": "01:45:58", "start": "01:45:54", "text": "citizens of Denver, we want to know when"}, {"end": "01:45:59", "start": "01:45:56", "text": "to do the parade. Do we do it on Tuesday"}, {"end": "01:46:02", "start": "01:45:58", "text": "or Thursday?\" So you can send to"}, {"end": "01:46:04", "start": "01:45:59", "text": "verified Denver residents a poll and"}, {"end": "01:46:06", "start": "01:46:02", "text": "actually get a vote that's statistically"}, {"end": "01:46:08", "start": "01:46:04", "text": "significant and actually almost like you"}, {"end": "01:46:09", "start": "01:46:06", "text": "ran an election and it cost you almost"}, {"end": "01:46:11", "start": "01:46:08", "text": "nothing to do because you have direct"}, {"end": "01:46:13", "start": "01:46:09", "text": "democracy. You can just push these"}, {"end": "01:46:14", "start": "01:46:11", "text": "things out. Um, and then you can start"}, {"end": "01:46:16", "start": "01:46:13", "text": "talking about more exotic forms like"}, {"end": "01:46:18", "start": "01:46:14", "text": "approval polls or things like that. If"}, {"end": "01:46:20", "start": "01:46:16", "text": "you say if the politician falls below a"}, {"end": "01:46:22", "start": "01:46:18", "text": "certain approval rating for a protracted"}, {"end": "01:46:25", "start": "01:46:20", "text": "period of time, there's automatically a"}, {"end": "01:46:27", "start": "01:46:22", "text": "recall election or they get suspended"}, {"end": "01:46:28", "start": "01:46:25", "text": "until they can get above that approval"}, {"end": "01:46:30", "start": "01:46:27", "text": "rating or something like that. So you"}, {"end": "01:46:32", "start": "01:46:28", "text": "can start thinking about much more"}, {"end": "01:46:33", "start": "01:46:30", "text": "granular representative democracy than"}, {"end": "01:46:36", "start": "01:46:32", "text": "just term-based representative"}, {"end": "01:46:38", "start": "01:46:33", "text": "democracy. This sounds amazing. I mean,"}, {"end": "01:46:40", "start": "01:46:36", "text": "is it is anybody close to implementing"}, {"end": "01:46:42", "start": "01:46:38", "text": "something like this? Any countries, any"}, {"end": "01:46:44", "start": "01:46:40", "text": "governments? Well, I like liquid"}, {"end": "01:46:46", "start": "01:46:42", "text": "feedback was used by the pirate party"}, {"end": "01:46:48", "start": "01:46:44", "text": "over in uh Sweden and um a lot of"}, {"end": "01:46:50", "start": "01:46:46", "text": "countries do do uh rank choice voting"}, {"end": "01:46:52", "start": "01:46:48", "text": "and other things like that and uh"}, {"end": "01:46:54", "start": "01:46:50", "text": "organizational design people have come"}, {"end": "01:46:57", "start": "01:46:52", "text": "up with all kinds of cool interesting"}, {"end": "01:47:00", "start": "01:46:54", "text": "voting systems but it's a field when you"}, {"end": "01:47:03", "start": "01:46:57", "text": "look at the nation state level that"}, {"end": "01:47:04", "start": "01:47:00", "text": "evolves very slowly years decades"}, {"end": "01:47:07", "start": "01:47:03", "text": "centuries and typically it evolves as a"}, {"end": "01:47:10", "start": "01:47:04", "text": "consequence of an invasion a collapse a"}, {"end": "01:47:12", "start": "01:47:07", "text": "calamity or a major scandal you tend not"}, {"end": "01:47:14", "start": "01:47:10", "text": "to change social infrastructure until"}, {"end": "01:47:17", "start": "01:47:12", "text": "social infrastructure becomes"}, {"end": "01:47:19", "start": "01:47:14", "text": "inconvenient for some reason. Um and in"}, {"end": "01:47:20", "start": "01:47:17", "text": "many cases social infrastructure is"}, {"end": "01:47:23", "start": "01:47:19", "text": "unchanged even when it's inconvenient"}, {"end": "01:47:25", "start": "01:47:20", "text": "because it benefits an oligarchy inside"}, {"end": "01:47:26", "start": "01:47:23", "text": "the country like back to India and"}, {"end": "01:47:29", "start": "01:47:25", "text": "cryptocurrencies like why do they have"}, {"end": "01:47:30", "start": "01:47:26", "text": "the 1% tax and why do they not open up"}, {"end": "01:47:32", "start": "01:47:29", "text": "for remittances even though it would be"}, {"end": "01:47:33", "start": "01:47:30", "text": "wonderful for them because of these"}, {"end": "01:47:35", "start": "01:47:32", "text": "large companies that make all this money"}, {"end": "01:47:39", "start": "01:47:33", "text": "by being middlemen to prevent those"}, {"end": "01:47:40", "start": "01:47:35", "text": "remittances for coming in. So, uh, we"}, {"end": "01:47:42", "start": "01:47:39", "text": "have a unique opportunity in the United"}, {"end": "01:47:43", "start": "01:47:40", "text": "States because Trump really does want to"}, {"end": "01:47:45", "start": "01:47:42", "text": "change the voting system and make it"}, {"end": "01:47:48", "start": "01:47:43", "text": "more secure and US government is bracing"}, {"end": "01:47:50", "start": "01:47:45", "text": "blockchain and currency technology. But"}, {"end": "01:47:51", "start": "01:47:48", "text": "again, you can't just talk about voting."}, {"end": "01:47:52", "start": "01:47:50", "text": "You have to talk about the digital"}, {"end": "01:47:54", "start": "01:47:51", "text": "infrastructure. And there's a whole"}, {"end": "01:47:55", "start": "01:47:52", "text": "different house of concepts there. And"}, {"end": "01:47:57", "start": "01:47:54", "text": "there's a whole different house of"}, {"end": "01:47:58", "start": "01:47:55", "text": "actors you're going to piss off by"}, {"end": "01:48:00", "start": "01:47:57", "text": "changing this type of stuff because you"}, {"end": "01:48:03", "start": "01:47:58", "text": "don't just talk about identity. You talk"}, {"end": "01:48:05", "start": "01:48:00", "text": "about identity and the metadata behind"}, {"end": "01:48:07", "start": "01:48:03", "text": "the identity. And you talk about"}, {"end": "01:48:09", "start": "01:48:05", "text": "reputation behind the identity because"}, {"end": "01:48:12", "start": "01:48:07", "text": "identity has two major families of"}, {"end": "01:48:15", "start": "01:48:09", "text": "things. One is facts and the other's"}, {"end": "01:48:19", "start": "01:48:12", "text": "opinions. So facts are things like I was"}, {"end": "01:48:21", "start": "01:48:15", "text": "born November 5th, 1987 in Maui, Hawaii."}, {"end": "01:48:23", "start": "01:48:19", "text": "That's a fact. It happened. It's either"}, {"end": "01:48:25", "start": "01:48:21", "text": "true or false. Uh or you know I attended"}, {"end": "01:48:27", "start": "01:48:23", "text": "this school or you know you're a Navy"}, {"end": "01:48:29", "start": "01:48:25", "text": "Seal and you certain Buds class and all"}, {"end": "01:48:31", "start": "01:48:27", "text": "these things. Those are facts. Either"}, {"end": "01:48:33", "start": "01:48:29", "text": "they happened or not. Opinions are like"}, {"end": "01:48:34", "start": "01:48:31", "text": "you were a good Navy Seal versus a bad"}, {"end": "01:48:36", "start": "01:48:33", "text": "Navy Seal, right? Everybody has an"}, {"end": "01:48:39", "start": "01:48:34", "text": "opinion on these things. You know, I got"}, {"end": "01:48:41", "start": "01:48:36", "text": "a team six guy on my security detail and"}, {"end": "01:48:43", "start": "01:48:39", "text": "you know, he he thinks that certain"}, {"end": "01:48:45", "start": "01:48:41", "text": "prominent seals are overrated. You know,"}, {"end": "01:48:47", "start": "01:48:43", "text": "he's like every seal's got these"}, {"end": "01:48:49", "start": "01:48:45", "text": "opinions, right? And I won't say which"}, {"end": "01:48:53", "start": "01:48:47", "text": "ones, right? But but you you get the"}, {"end": "01:48:55", "start": "01:48:49", "text": "idea. Um so opinions are always"}, {"end": "01:48:58", "start": "01:48:53", "text": "referential. So it's not just the"}, {"end": "01:49:00", "start": "01:48:55", "text": "opinion, but the opinion holder. So when"}, {"end": "01:49:02", "start": "01:48:58", "text": "they say, \"Well, that guy who thinks"}, {"end": "01:49:04", "start": "01:49:00", "text": "that person's overrated, well, well, who"}, {"end": "01:49:06", "start": "01:49:02", "text": "is he?\" Oh, he was team six guy. I Oh,"}, {"end": "01:49:08", "start": "01:49:04", "text": "okay. That's pretty credible, you know,"}, {"end": "01:49:09", "start": "01:49:06", "text": "like at least he's like he's he's in the"}, {"end": "01:49:12", "start": "01:49:08", "text": "club. He he's allowed to have that"}, {"end": "01:49:14", "start": "01:49:09", "text": "opinion. Just a fat dude at the bar, you"}, {"end": "01:49:16", "start": "01:49:12", "text": "know, never never done anything in his"}, {"end": "01:49:18", "start": "01:49:14", "text": "life. It's like, [\u00a0__\u00a0] you, man. Get the"}, {"end": "01:49:20", "start": "01:49:16", "text": "hell out of here. Right. So, so it's"}, {"end": "01:49:22", "start": "01:49:18", "text": "always referential to the opinion"}, {"end": "01:49:24", "start": "01:49:20", "text": "holder. Facts are not referential."}, {"end": "01:49:25", "start": "01:49:22", "text": "They're objective reality. Well,"}, {"end": "01:49:28", "start": "01:49:24", "text": "identity is one of those few things that"}, {"end": "01:49:29", "start": "01:49:25", "text": "embed both of those things. We are a"}, {"end": "01:49:32", "start": "01:49:28", "text": "composition of objective reality and"}, {"end": "01:49:33", "start": "01:49:29", "text": "subjective opinions. Well, this is"}, {"end": "01:49:37", "start": "01:49:32", "text": "important because we have to make"}, {"end": "01:49:41", "start": "01:49:33", "text": "decisions about trust relationships. So,"}, {"end": "01:49:43", "start": "01:49:37", "text": "uh, do I give you a loan or not? Do I"}, {"end": "01:49:46", "start": "01:49:41", "text": "admit you to this university or not? Do"}, {"end": "01:49:48", "start": "01:49:43", "text": "I let you into special forces or not? Do"}, {"end": "01:49:51", "start": "01:49:46", "text": "I let you go to the Q course or Ranger"}, {"end": "01:49:53", "start": "01:49:48", "text": "school or whatever? Um, or, you know, do"}, {"end": "01:49:55", "start": "01:49:51", "text": "I trust you with my children? And what's"}, {"end": "01:49:57", "start": "01:49:53", "text": "interesting is you could have this weird"}, {"end": "01:49:59", "start": "01:49:55", "text": "paradox where you could be both"}, {"end": "01:50:02", "start": "01:49:57", "text": "completely unreliable and hyper reliable"}, {"end": "01:50:05", "start": "01:49:59", "text": "at the same time. So I may trust you to"}, {"end": "01:50:07", "start": "01:50:02", "text": "be a special warfare guy and go and life"}, {"end": "01:50:09", "start": "01:50:05", "text": "and death missions and you know be with"}, {"end": "01:50:12", "start": "01:50:07", "text": "the friends but not trust you with my"}, {"end": "01:50:13", "start": "01:50:09", "text": "doc. It's weird right? But there's"}, {"end": "01:50:15", "start": "01:50:12", "text": "probably some intersection point that"}, {"end": "01:50:19", "start": "01:50:13", "text": "somebody listening will say yeah I know"}, {"end": "01:50:20", "start": "01:50:15", "text": "that guy right and so uh identity embeds"}, {"end": "01:50:22", "start": "01:50:19", "text": "both these things and so the first thing"}, {"end": "01:50:24", "start": "01:50:20", "text": "that we did as an industry is we we said"}, {"end": "01:50:26", "start": "01:50:22", "text": "is there a path where we can reimagine"}, {"end": "01:50:28", "start": "01:50:24", "text": "the representation of identity where"}, {"end": "01:50:31", "start": "01:50:26", "text": "both these things are first class"}, {"end": "01:50:33", "start": "01:50:28", "text": "citizens. So the W3C is a standards body"}, {"end": "01:50:35", "start": "01:50:31", "text": "and it standardizes things like HTML and"}, {"end": "01:50:37", "start": "01:50:33", "text": "CSS or the presentation layer of the"}, {"end": "01:50:38", "start": "01:50:35", "text": "internet. They actually had a working"}, {"end": "01:50:40", "start": "01:50:37", "text": "group that people worked on for more"}, {"end": "01:50:42", "start": "01:50:38", "text": "than 10 years and they created an open"}, {"end": "01:50:44", "start": "01:50:40", "text": "standard called the DID, the"}, {"end": "01:50:46", "start": "01:50:42", "text": "decentralized identifier. And what the"}, {"end": "01:50:49", "start": "01:50:44", "text": "DID is is basically like a like a web"}, {"end": "01:50:52", "start": "01:50:46", "text": "address for you. And so it has the URL,"}, {"end": "01:50:53", "start": "01:50:49", "text": "the web address, and then the web page,"}, {"end": "01:50:56", "start": "01:50:52", "text": "which is the DID document, which is all"}, {"end": "01:50:58", "start": "01:50:53", "text": "that metadata, which embeds both the"}, {"end": "01:51:00", "start": "01:50:56", "text": "facts and also it can embed the"}, {"end": "01:51:02", "start": "01:50:58", "text": "opinions. And it's built on the same"}, {"end": "01:51:03", "start": "01:51:00", "text": "technology as cryptocurrency concepts."}, {"end": "01:51:05", "start": "01:51:02", "text": "So it's public private keys, these types"}, {"end": "01:51:06", "start": "01:51:03", "text": "of things. So there's a part you show"}, {"end": "01:51:08", "start": "01:51:05", "text": "everybody and you can have cryptography"}, {"end": "01:51:10", "start": "01:51:06", "text": "in it so you can prove it belongs to"}, {"end": "01:51:12", "start": "01:51:08", "text": "you. So it's a non-reputable identity."}, {"end": "01:51:14", "start": "01:51:10", "text": "Nobody can forge it. Well, it's so"}, {"end": "01:51:15", "start": "01:51:12", "text": "general that it works in the legacy"}, {"end": "01:51:17", "start": "01:51:14", "text": "world, but it also works in the"}, {"end": "01:51:19", "start": "01:51:15", "text": "blockchain world. It can be used for"}, {"end": "01:51:21", "start": "01:51:17", "text": "access control like logging into a"}, {"end": "01:51:23", "start": "01:51:19", "text": "website without a password. It can be"}, {"end": "01:51:24", "start": "01:51:21", "text": "used for a financial transaction and"}, {"end": "01:51:26", "start": "01:51:23", "text": "also with zero knowledge cryptography"}, {"end": "01:51:28", "start": "01:51:24", "text": "like that ID thing we were talking about"}, {"end": "01:51:29", "start": "01:51:26", "text": "earlier where I can prove my age without"}, {"end": "01:51:31", "start": "01:51:28", "text": "revealing my age. You know, I can prove"}, {"end": "01:51:33", "start": "01:51:29", "text": "I'm over a threshold. It works with that"}, {"end": "01:51:35", "start": "01:51:31", "text": "as well. So this is a new identity"}, {"end": "01:51:37", "start": "01:51:33", "text": "primitive. And there's a broader concept"}, {"end": "01:51:39", "start": "01:51:35", "text": "called SSI, self- sovereign identity,"}, {"end": "01:51:41", "start": "01:51:37", "text": "meaning you own it. So it doesn't belong"}, {"end": "01:51:43", "start": "01:51:39", "text": "to Microsoft and it doesn't belong to"}, {"end": "01:51:44", "start": "01:51:41", "text": "Google or the US government. You can"}, {"end": "01:51:46", "start": "01:51:43", "text": "create this dead and build a reputation"}, {"end": "01:51:49", "start": "01:51:44", "text": "around it and get third parties to"}, {"end": "01:51:51", "start": "01:51:46", "text": "verify facts about you, but it's your"}, {"end": "01:51:52", "start": "01:51:49", "text": "credential. So, it's censorship"}, {"end": "01:51:53", "start": "01:51:51", "text": "resistant because here's the problem"}, {"end": "01:51:55", "start": "01:51:52", "text": "with an identity system. What if your"}, {"end": "01:51:57", "start": "01:51:53", "text": "passport's revoked? Or what if your"}, {"end": "01:51:59", "start": "01:51:55", "text": "identity documents are invalidated? It's"}, {"end": "01:52:00", "start": "01:51:57", "text": "like everybody that serves the military"}, {"end": "01:52:02", "start": "01:51:59", "text": "like what if there's an inaccuracy on"}, {"end": "01:52:04", "start": "01:52:00", "text": "the DD214 or something like that. It's"}, {"end": "01:52:05", "start": "01:52:02", "text": "like, well, I served here and I did this"}, {"end": "01:52:08", "start": "01:52:04", "text": "and this. Well, it didn't say that on"}, {"end": "01:52:10", "start": "01:52:05", "text": "the documents. Sorry, bro. It's like you"}, {"end": "01:52:11", "start": "01:52:08", "text": "you were not an 18 Delta and it's but I"}, {"end": "01:52:13", "start": "01:52:10", "text": "was. says like, \"Well, the document"}, {"end": "01:52:15", "start": "01:52:11", "text": "doesn't say it, but what if you own that"}, {"end": "01:52:17", "start": "01:52:13", "text": "document and you can self-verify these"}, {"end": "01:52:19", "start": "01:52:15", "text": "types of things? There's a path to do"}, {"end": "01:52:21", "start": "01:52:17", "text": "these things.\" Well, then if there's a"}, {"end": "01:52:23", "start": "01:52:19", "text": "bureaucratic miff, it doesn't have any"}, {"end": "01:52:24", "start": "01:52:21", "text": "consequences because you actually have"}, {"end": "01:52:26", "start": "01:52:23", "text": "the underlying evidence and the"}, {"end": "01:52:27", "start": "01:52:24", "text": "signatures from the entities where and"}, {"end": "01:52:30", "start": "01:52:26", "text": "when it happened for these types of"}, {"end": "01:52:32", "start": "01:52:27", "text": "things. So, uh, digital identity is very"}, {"end": "01:52:34", "start": "01:52:30", "text": "closely related to all these different"}, {"end": "01:52:36", "start": "01:52:32", "text": "things, whether it be voting or money."}, {"end": "01:52:38", "start": "01:52:34", "text": "In the money case, ID and money come"}, {"end": "01:52:41", "start": "01:52:36", "text": "together and we call that compliance."}, {"end": "01:52:44", "start": "01:52:38", "text": "So, I give you a $100, no problem. I"}, {"end": "01:52:46", "start": "01:52:41", "text": "give you a million dollars. Who who who"}, {"end": "01:52:48", "start": "01:52:44", "text": "is Charles? Know your customer,"}, {"end": "01:52:49", "start": "01:52:46", "text": "anti-money lottery, anti-terrorism,"}, {"end": "01:52:51", "start": "01:52:48", "text": "these things. There's this wonderful"}, {"end": "01:52:53", "start": "01:52:49", "text": "book from Ron Sarat called Treasuries"}, {"end": "01:52:55", "start": "01:52:51", "text": "War, and it says, \"Hey, the Giwa wasn't"}, {"end": "01:52:57", "start": "01:52:53", "text": "just fought on a battlefield. It was"}, {"end": "01:52:58", "start": "01:52:55", "text": "fought by accountants. there was all"}, {"end": "01:53:00", "start": "01:52:57", "text": "these guys at the banks and the"}, {"end": "01:53:03", "start": "01:52:58", "text": "financial institutions and they created"}, {"end": "01:53:05", "start": "01:53:00", "text": "this huge anti-terrorist layer and they"}, {"end": "01:53:06", "start": "01:53:03", "text": "were monitoring transactions to try to"}, {"end": "01:53:08", "start": "01:53:05", "text": "understand how does ISIS get its money"}, {"end": "01:53:12", "start": "01:53:06", "text": "and how does al-Qaeda get its money. Um,"}, {"end": "01:53:15", "start": "01:53:08", "text": "and so they got a a very pervasive and"}, {"end": "01:53:17", "start": "01:53:12", "text": "aggressive understanding of of basically"}, {"end": "01:53:19", "start": "01:53:15", "text": "how money flows and who was sending the"}, {"end": "01:53:20", "start": "01:53:17", "text": "money and these types of things. But"}, {"end": "01:53:22", "start": "01:53:19", "text": "inadvertently in the process of doing"}, {"end": "01:53:25", "start": "01:53:20", "text": "that they removed any notion of privacy"}, {"end": "01:53:26", "start": "01:53:22", "text": "from the system. And it's very"}, {"end": "01:53:28", "start": "01:53:25", "text": "uncomfortable because now that a policy"}, {"end": "01:53:31", "start": "01:53:26", "text": "maker knows who's sending money where"}, {"end": "01:53:34", "start": "01:53:28", "text": "what I also know like you buy guns or I"}, {"end": "01:53:35", "start": "01:53:31", "text": "also know you voted you giving money to"}, {"end": "01:53:37", "start": "01:53:34", "text": "this politician or you know I also know"}, {"end": "01:53:39", "start": "01:53:35", "text": "that you know you have land in a certain"}, {"end": "01:53:41", "start": "01:53:37", "text": "area or you have certain preferences."}, {"end": "01:53:42", "start": "01:53:39", "text": "Well, if I'm against that preference set"}, {"end": "01:53:44", "start": "01:53:41", "text": "or I think that's politically"}, {"end": "01:53:46", "start": "01:53:42", "text": "inconvenient to me, I can now use that"}, {"end": "01:53:48", "start": "01:53:44", "text": "information to weaponize it and go"}, {"end": "01:53:51", "start": "01:53:46", "text": "against you and politically censor you"}, {"end": "01:53:53", "start": "01:53:48", "text": "or you know harm you with soft power. So"}, {"end": "01:53:55", "start": "01:53:51", "text": "you really want to try to preserve some"}, {"end": "01:53:57", "start": "01:53:53", "text": "sense of anonymity inside the system if"}, {"end": "01:53:58", "start": "01:53:55", "text": "you can get away with it. So the great"}, {"end": "01:54:00", "start": "01:53:57", "text": "part about reconstructing digital"}, {"end": "01:54:03", "start": "01:53:58", "text": "identity is that you can have safety but"}, {"end": "01:54:06", "start": "01:54:00", "text": "anonymity. I can prove that you're a US"}, {"end": "01:54:08", "start": "01:54:03", "text": "citizen or prove that you are a credit"}, {"end": "01:54:09", "start": "01:54:06", "text": "investor or prove that you're over an"}, {"end": "01:54:11", "start": "01:54:08", "text": "age or you meet the suitability"}, {"end": "01:54:13", "start": "01:54:09", "text": "guideline. Like here's a great example."}, {"end": "01:54:17", "start": "01:54:11", "text": "You have all these guys running around"}, {"end": "01:54:19", "start": "01:54:13", "text": "who hold top secret clearances like SCI"}, {"end": "01:54:21", "start": "01:54:17", "text": "to the [\u00a0__\u00a0] nines, you know? They"}, {"end": "01:54:22", "start": "01:54:19", "text": "they know special access program this"}, {"end": "01:54:24", "start": "01:54:21", "text": "that and the other. So they're literally"}, {"end": "01:54:25", "start": "01:54:22", "text": "the most trusted people that you can"}, {"end": "01:54:26", "start": "01:54:24", "text": "imagine. I mean the government knows"}, {"end": "01:54:28", "start": "01:54:25", "text": "what their colon looks like at this"}, {"end": "01:54:30", "start": "01:54:26", "text": "point and they do the adversarial"}, {"end": "01:54:32", "start": "01:54:28", "text": "polygraphs and all these other things."}, {"end": "01:54:33", "start": "01:54:30", "text": "But then when they go to the airport to"}, {"end": "01:54:36", "start": "01:54:32", "text": "stand in that security line they get"}, {"end": "01:54:39", "start": "01:54:33", "text": "molested by the you know the TSA guy cuz"}, {"end": "01:54:41", "start": "01:54:36", "text": "there's no interoperability between"}, {"end": "01:54:42", "start": "01:54:39", "text": "those trust systems. So on one hand we"}, {"end": "01:54:44", "start": "01:54:41", "text": "trust you with the nation's highest"}, {"end": "01:54:45", "start": "01:54:42", "text": "levels and secrets but on the other hand"}, {"end": "01:54:48", "start": "01:54:44", "text": "we don't know if you're going to bring a"}, {"end": "01:54:49", "start": "01:54:45", "text": "nail file on the plane. It's like it"}, {"end": "01:54:51", "start": "01:54:48", "text": "doesn't make any sense. But if you have"}, {"end": "01:54:52", "start": "01:54:49", "text": "a unified trust system with zero"}, {"end": "01:54:56", "start": "01:54:51", "text": "knowledge proofs, you can prove you're"}, {"end": "01:54:58", "start": "01:54:52", "text": "in the trusted category. The TSA guy has"}, {"end": "01:55:00", "start": "01:54:56", "text": "no idea why you're in that category. He"}, {"end": "01:55:02", "start": "01:54:58", "text": "doesn't know that you're secret squirrel"}, {"end": "01:55:04", "start": "01:55:00", "text": "dude doing crazy stuff and he just knows"}, {"end": "01:55:05", "start": "01:55:02", "text": "that you're in the trusted category and"}, {"end": "01:55:07", "start": "01:55:04", "text": "he doesn't get to molest you, you know,"}, {"end": "01:55:08", "start": "01:55:05", "text": "inside the line. And that's how it"}, {"end": "01:55:10", "start": "01:55:07", "text": "should work is that you have these"}, {"end": "01:55:12", "start": "01:55:08", "text": "proofs and so you have a DID, you have a"}, {"end": "01:55:14", "start": "01:55:10", "text": "did dock, it has all these identifiers."}, {"end": "01:55:15", "start": "01:55:12", "text": "Some are public and some are private."}, {"end": "01:55:17", "start": "01:55:14", "text": "You can have different DIDs for"}, {"end": "01:55:20", "start": "01:55:15", "text": "different personas. So you can have one"}, {"end": "01:55:22", "start": "01:55:17", "text": "did for an alias, maybe you're doing,"}, {"end": "01:55:23", "start": "01:55:20", "text": "you know, tradecraftraft and you have"}, {"end": "01:55:24", "start": "01:55:22", "text": "that. You have another DID for your"}, {"end": "01:55:26", "start": "01:55:23", "text": "military life. You have another DID for"}, {"end": "01:55:28", "start": "01:55:24", "text": "your personal life and for your"}, {"end": "01:55:30", "start": "01:55:26", "text": "professional life, etc., etc., like your"}, {"end": "01:55:32", "start": "01:55:28", "text": "LinkedIn profile, as I did here. And"}, {"end": "01:55:33", "start": "01:55:30", "text": "then there's various public fields and"}, {"end": "01:55:35", "start": "01:55:32", "text": "all these things. And there's"}, {"end": "01:55:37", "start": "01:55:33", "text": "provability with all these things. And"}, {"end": "01:55:40", "start": "01:55:35", "text": "then you can at any time pick up that"}, {"end": "01:55:43", "start": "01:55:37", "text": "you own all of them, but they're unlin."}, {"end": "01:55:44", "start": "01:55:40", "text": "So you don't necessarily have to combine"}, {"end": "01:55:46", "start": "01:55:43", "text": "them and say, \"Well, this is also the"}, {"end": "01:55:48", "start": "01:55:44", "text": "same person as Sean Ryan. It's an"}, {"end": "01:55:50", "start": "01:55:46", "text": "unlinkable identity and you're in"}, {"end": "01:55:51", "start": "01:55:48", "text": "control of all of that.\" And then you"}, {"end": "01:55:53", "start": "01:55:50", "text": "have the ability to at any time prove"}, {"end": "01:55:55", "start": "01:55:51", "text": "properties at your discretion for these"}, {"end": "01:55:57", "start": "01:55:53", "text": "types of things. So that's the other"}, {"end": "01:55:58", "start": "01:55:55", "text": "side that the cryptocurrency industry"}, {"end": "01:56:01", "start": "01:55:57", "text": "has been really thinking about because"}, {"end": "01:56:03", "start": "01:55:58", "text": "it's so pivotal to everything we do. The"}, {"end": "01:56:05", "start": "01:56:01", "text": "is if it's an engine of trust, where"}, {"end": "01:56:07", "start": "01:56:03", "text": "does trust come from? Well, some of it's"}, {"end": "01:56:09", "start": "01:56:05", "text": "objective by the structure of the"}, {"end": "01:56:11", "start": "01:56:07", "text": "system, but then some of it's subjective"}, {"end": "01:56:13", "start": "01:56:09", "text": "like who are the members of the system."}, {"end": "01:56:14", "start": "01:56:11", "text": "And so if you ha the minute you step"}, {"end": "01:56:16", "start": "01:56:13", "text": "into who are the people, you have to"}, {"end": "01:56:18", "start": "01:56:14", "text": "have a representation of identity. And"}, {"end": "01:56:20", "start": "01:56:16", "text": "once you have that representation of"}, {"end": "01:56:22", "start": "01:56:18", "text": "identity, you can then use that to prove"}, {"end": "01:56:23", "start": "01:56:20", "text": "all kinds of things that you want. And"}, {"end": "01:56:24", "start": "01:56:22", "text": "eventually you can reconstruct reality"}, {"end": "01:56:26", "start": "01:56:23", "text": "because you can say, \"Okay, now we can"}, {"end": "01:56:28", "start": "01:56:24", "text": "build a credit system.\" And instead of"}, {"end": "01:56:30", "start": "01:56:26", "text": "it being decided by, you know, these"}, {"end": "01:56:32", "start": "01:56:28", "text": "four credit agencies and they give you a"}, {"end": "01:56:33", "start": "01:56:30", "text": "number and who the [\u00a0__\u00a0] knows where this"}, {"end": "01:56:36", "start": "01:56:32", "text": "number comes from. Like for example, I'm"}, {"end": "01:56:37", "start": "01:56:33", "text": "a billionaire, but somehow my credit"}, {"end": "01:56:40", "start": "01:56:36", "text": "score is lower than some of my family"}, {"end": "01:56:42", "start": "01:56:37", "text": "members. I just can't for the life of me"}, {"end": "01:56:44", "start": "01:56:40", "text": "understand that. I'm just like, guys,"}, {"end": "01:56:46", "start": "01:56:42", "text": "it's just like I'm like, guys, do you"}, {"end": "01:56:48", "start": "01:56:44", "text": "understand this is like like I'm beyond"}, {"end": "01:56:49", "start": "01:56:46", "text": "your notion of credit, but yet somehow"}, {"end": "01:56:52", "start": "01:56:48", "text": "my credit score is lower than my"}, {"end": "01:56:54", "start": "01:56:49", "text": "secretaries. It's like it's it just it"}, {"end": "01:56:57", "start": "01:56:52", "text": "bothers me. She makes fun of me for it."}, {"end": "01:56:59", "start": "01:56:54", "text": "Um and I just don't understand it. Uh so"}, {"end": "01:57:02", "start": "01:56:57", "text": "so so obviously that credit system"}, {"end": "01:57:03", "start": "01:56:59", "text": "doesn't seem to make sense and and it's"}, {"end": "01:57:05", "start": "01:57:02", "text": "weaponized in many cases against a lot"}, {"end": "01:57:08", "start": "01:57:03", "text": "of people who got into some bad"}, {"end": "01:57:10", "start": "01:57:05", "text": "situations. So we should probably have"}, {"end": "01:57:12", "start": "01:57:08", "text": "marketplaces for those things and more"}, {"end": "01:57:15", "start": "01:57:10", "text": "decentralization for those things"}, {"end": "01:57:17", "start": "01:57:12", "text": "otherwise you those actors can basically"}, {"end": "01:57:19", "start": "01:57:15", "text": "decide who gets to win who gets to lose"}, {"end": "01:57:21", "start": "01:57:17", "text": "in society. So yeah that's what crypto"}, {"end": "01:57:22", "start": "01:57:19", "text": "is really about at its core. It's like"}, {"end": "01:57:24", "start": "01:57:21", "text": "it's that trust and then you start"}, {"end": "01:57:28", "start": "01:57:22", "text": "looking at fundamental objects like"}, {"end": "01:57:31", "start": "01:57:24", "text": "money, voice and political opinion,"}, {"end": "01:57:33", "start": "01:57:28", "text": "social influence, identity and you say"}, {"end": "01:57:35", "start": "01:57:31", "text": "can I represent these things"}, {"end": "01:57:37", "start": "01:57:33", "text": "mathematically as something as an object"}, {"end": "01:57:38", "start": "01:57:35", "text": "that lives out there in the cloud and"}, {"end": "01:57:40", "start": "01:57:37", "text": "then can I make them programmable and"}, {"end": "01:57:43", "start": "01:57:38", "text": "then can I build an economy around them"}, {"end": "01:57:44", "start": "01:57:40", "text": "and then can I have them compete in an"}, {"end": "01:57:47", "start": "01:57:43", "text": "all you can eat buffet of different"}, {"end": "01:57:49", "start": "01:57:44", "text": "ideas and have those ideas run in"}, {"end": "01:57:51", "start": "01:57:47", "text": "parallel and and introduce adversarial"}, {"end": "01:57:53", "start": "01:57:49", "text": "thinking. So people come in and try to"}, {"end": "01:57:54", "start": "01:57:51", "text": "break them and destroy them. And if they"}, {"end": "01:57:56", "start": "01:57:53", "text": "do, they get a reward. They get millions"}, {"end": "01:57:58", "start": "01:57:54", "text": "of dollars or billions of dollars and"}, {"end": "01:57:59", "start": "01:57:56", "text": "run away. Yay. But if they can't break"}, {"end": "01:58:02", "start": "01:57:58", "text": "them, then the system becomes stronger"}, {"end": "01:58:04", "start": "01:57:59", "text": "and then it becomes the system and takes"}, {"end": "01:58:07", "start": "01:58:02", "text": "over."}, {"end": "01:58:10", "start": "01:58:04", "text": "So there's a lot there going back to the"}, {"end": "01:58:13", "start": "01:58:07", "text": "voting. I mean, so there are discussions"}, {"end": "01:58:16", "start": "01:58:10", "text": "about possibly implementing this within"}, {"end": "01:58:19", "start": "01:58:13", "text": "the US. Yeah. And the first step is and"}, {"end": "01:58:22", "start": "01:58:16", "text": "I would imagine that pisses"}, {"end": "01:58:24", "start": "01:58:19", "text": "the institution off to no end. Yeah."}, {"end": "01:58:25", "start": "01:58:22", "text": "Yeah. I first step is standardization."}, {"end": "01:58:27", "start": "01:58:24", "text": "So, you know, just like that postquantum"}, {"end": "01:58:28", "start": "01:58:25", "text": "discussion,"}, {"end": "01:58:31", "start": "01:58:27", "text": "you don't want to run too far off the"}, {"end": "01:58:32", "start": "01:58:28", "text": "reservation. You you want to say, well,"}, {"end": "01:58:34", "start": "01:58:31", "text": "the government's not going to procure"}, {"end": "01:58:36", "start": "01:58:32", "text": "something unless they have"}, {"end": "01:58:38", "start": "01:58:34", "text": "standardization for that thing. So, NIST"}, {"end": "01:58:39", "start": "01:58:36", "text": "is highly involved in these types of"}, {"end": "01:58:42", "start": "01:58:38", "text": "things, but the Department of Commerce"}, {"end": "01:58:44", "start": "01:58:39", "text": "is highly involved. And before the DoD"}, {"end": "01:58:46", "start": "01:58:42", "text": "thinks about it or some secretary of"}, {"end": "01:58:47", "start": "01:58:44", "text": "state in some states thinks about it,"}, {"end": "01:58:50", "start": "01:58:46", "text": "you really need to reference something"}, {"end": "01:58:53", "start": "01:58:47", "text": "like what is the statutory definition or"}, {"end": "01:58:55", "start": "01:58:50", "text": "the standard RC for what is blockchain"}, {"end": "01:58:56", "start": "01:58:53", "text": "and for this and for that and this. You"}, {"end": "01:58:59", "start": "01:58:55", "text": "have to build all those components up as"}, {"end": "01:59:01", "start": "01:58:56", "text": "a house of abstractions and codes and"}, {"end": "01:59:03", "start": "01:58:59", "text": "numbers like uh if you want to secure"}, {"end": "01:59:05", "start": "01:59:01", "text": "something and use it in the military"}, {"end": "01:59:06", "start": "01:59:03", "text": "maybe you need FIPS 190-2 or something"}, {"end": "01:59:08", "start": "01:59:05", "text": "like there's some processor standard"}, {"end": "01:59:10", "start": "01:59:06", "text": "they point to that or milspec is another"}, {"end": "01:59:12", "start": "01:59:08", "text": "you point to it you say that's that"}, {"end": "01:59:14", "start": "01:59:10", "text": "thing then once you have it you say okay"}, {"end": "01:59:17", "start": "01:59:12", "text": "now we can have a conversation about"}, {"end": "01:59:18", "start": "01:59:14", "text": "writing an RFP and building something so"}, {"end": "01:59:20", "start": "01:59:17", "text": "what's happened is we've had kind of a"}, {"end": "01:59:22", "start": "01:59:18", "text": "lot of chaos because it's hard and it's"}, {"end": "01:59:24", "start": "01:59:20", "text": "complicated and the people making the"}, {"end": "01:59:27", "start": "01:59:22", "text": "decisions are pretty divorced from the"}, {"end": "01:59:28", "start": "01:59:24", "text": "reality ities of the technology. So they"}, {"end": "01:59:30", "start": "01:59:27", "text": "want to do it and they understand"}, {"end": "01:59:32", "start": "01:59:28", "text": "philosophically there's a there there"}, {"end": "01:59:34", "start": "01:59:30", "text": "but they don't have the vocabulary and"}, {"end": "01:59:36", "start": "01:59:32", "text": "they don't have the bureaucracy"}, {"end": "01:59:39", "start": "01:59:34", "text": "necessary to be able to get into this"}, {"end": "01:59:41", "start": "01:59:36", "text": "world, you know. And so the thing we've"}, {"end": "01:59:42", "start": "01:59:39", "text": "been working on is saying don't pick"}, {"end": "01:59:45", "start": "01:59:41", "text": "winners and losers right now. Don't even"}, {"end": "01:59:48", "start": "01:59:42", "text": "talk about winners and losers right now."}, {"end": "01:59:50", "start": "01:59:45", "text": "Focus on instead a taxonomy. Get the"}, {"end": "01:59:52", "start": "01:59:48", "text": "words right. Get the language right. Get"}, {"end": "01:59:54", "start": "01:59:50", "text": "the standards right. Have a notion of"}, {"end": "01:59:56", "start": "01:59:52", "text": "what is decentralization. You hear it"}, {"end": "01:59:57", "start": "01:59:54", "text": "all the time. The crypto, we're"}, {"end": "01:59:59", "start": "01:59:56", "text": "decentralized. We're what the [\u00a0__\u00a0] does"}, {"end": "02:00:02", "start": "01:59:57", "text": "decentralization mean? I asked this"}, {"end": "02:00:03", "start": "01:59:59", "text": "question. We've written 240 papers,"}, {"end": "02:00:06", "start": "02:00:02", "text": "academic papers at my company, over"}, {"end": "02:00:07", "start": "02:00:03", "text": "10,000 citations. So, we said, you know,"}, {"end": "02:00:08", "start": "02:00:06", "text": "we should write an academic paper. And"}, {"end": "02:00:09", "start": "02:00:07", "text": "we thought, oh, you know, that'd be"}, {"end": "02:00:12", "start": "02:00:08", "text": "really easy. We'll just like have paper"}, {"end": "02:00:14", "start": "02:00:09", "text": "in two months and like six years. And"}, {"end": "02:00:15", "start": "02:00:12", "text": "then we created a standards group at"}, {"end": "02:00:17", "start": "02:00:14", "text": "University of Edinburgh and we created"}, {"end": "02:00:18", "start": "02:00:15", "text": "something called the decentralization"}, {"end": "02:00:20", "start": "02:00:17", "text": "the Edinburgh decentralization index."}, {"end": "02:00:22", "start": "02:00:18", "text": "And it turns out there's eight different"}, {"end": "02:00:23", "start": "02:00:20", "text": "lenses you could look at for"}, {"end": "02:00:25", "start": "02:00:22", "text": "decentralization. and everything from"}, {"end": "02:00:26", "start": "02:00:23", "text": "the token distribution to the consensus"}, {"end": "02:00:29", "start": "02:00:25", "text": "algorithm to how the code is written,"}, {"end": "02:00:31", "start": "02:00:26", "text": "all this stuff. And it's a trade-off"}, {"end": "02:00:32", "start": "02:00:29", "text": "matrix. It's not like one number that"}, {"end": "02:00:34", "start": "02:00:31", "text": "you can get to and say this is the only"}, {"end": "02:00:36", "start": "02:00:32", "text": "number that matters. It's more like what"}, {"end": "02:00:38", "start": "02:00:34", "text": "do you value? Do you value operational"}, {"end": "02:00:40", "start": "02:00:36", "text": "resilience or do you value a large"}, {"end": "02:00:41", "start": "02:00:38", "text": "distribution of the money? You can have"}, {"end": "02:00:44", "start": "02:00:40", "text": "a fully decentralized system, but one"}, {"end": "02:00:45", "start": "02:00:41", "text": "guy owns all the tokens. Mhm. Doesn't"}, {"end": "02:00:46", "start": "02:00:44", "text": "really make sense, right? Okay. You have"}, {"end": "02:00:48", "start": "02:00:45", "text": "a system where a lot of people own all"}, {"end": "02:00:50", "start": "02:00:46", "text": "the tokens, but only three people run"}, {"end": "02:00:52", "start": "02:00:48", "text": "that ledger and it's federated forever"}, {"end": "02:00:54", "start": "02:00:50", "text": "and you can't get rid of them. doesn't"}, {"end": "02:00:56", "start": "02:00:52", "text": "really make any sense. So it seems like"}, {"end": "02:00:57", "start": "02:00:54", "text": "there's some combination of these"}, {"end": "02:00:59", "start": "02:00:56", "text": "things. So we just started measuring"}, {"end": "02:01:01", "start": "02:00:57", "text": "these things a few years ago. The next"}, {"end": "02:01:03", "start": "02:00:59", "text": "step is to take that model to NIST and"}, {"end": "02:01:05", "start": "02:01:01", "text": "other standards bodies and say how do"}, {"end": "02:01:07", "start": "02:01:03", "text": "you integrate this and then start"}, {"end": "02:01:09", "start": "02:01:05", "text": "creating some infrastructure so then the"}, {"end": "02:01:11", "start": "02:01:07", "text": "government can use this tool to measure"}, {"end": "02:01:13", "start": "02:01:09", "text": "this from a qualitative and quantitative"}, {"end": "02:01:14", "start": "02:01:11", "text": "way when they're assessing technology"}, {"end": "02:01:16", "start": "02:01:13", "text": "cuz you know the military probably"}, {"end": "02:01:17", "start": "02:01:14", "text": "doesn't want to go and adopt a"}, {"end": "02:01:19", "start": "02:01:16", "text": "blockchain technology that has a back"}, {"end": "02:01:21", "start": "02:01:17", "text": "door in it or has an operator that that"}, {"end": "02:01:23", "start": "02:01:19", "text": "China can coers and then suddenly the"}, {"end": "02:01:25", "start": "02:01:21", "text": "whole thing comes down and it's the same"}, {"end": "02:01:26", "start": "02:01:23", "text": "for a voting system. You don't want to"}, {"end": "02:01:28", "start": "02:01:25", "text": "adopt a voting system that's"}, {"end": "02:01:31", "start": "02:01:26", "text": "fundamentally insecure or has some sort"}, {"end": "02:01:33", "start": "02:01:28", "text": "of hidden vector of attack inside of it."}, {"end": "02:01:34", "start": "02:01:31", "text": "So the standards get you to a point"}, {"end": "02:01:36", "start": "02:01:33", "text": "where you can have that conversation."}, {"end": "02:01:38", "start": "02:01:34", "text": "Then the RFP process then allows the"}, {"end": "02:01:40", "start": "02:01:36", "text": "government to start experimenting with"}, {"end": "02:01:42", "start": "02:01:38", "text": "it. Now that said, there been plenty of"}, {"end": "02:01:44", "start": "02:01:40", "text": "pilots that have been run and you know"}, {"end": "02:01:46", "start": "02:01:42", "text": "DARPA's done stuff and DoD's done stuff"}, {"end": "02:01:48", "start": "02:01:44", "text": "and various states are doing things like"}, {"end": "02:01:50", "start": "02:01:46", "text": "the state of Wyoming's passed over 30"}, {"end": "02:01:51", "start": "02:01:48", "text": "cryptocurrency related laws and created"}, {"end": "02:01:54", "start": "02:01:50", "text": "all kinds of cool and innovative"}, {"end": "02:01:56", "start": "02:01:51", "text": "structures. So there's a lot of stuff"}, {"end": "02:01:58", "start": "02:01:54", "text": "that's happening at the state county"}, {"end": "02:01:59", "start": "02:01:56", "text": "level and some in the federal level. And"}, {"end": "02:02:01", "start": "02:01:58", "text": "thanks to Trump embracing"}, {"end": "02:02:03", "start": "02:01:59", "text": "cryptocurrency, there's an all of"}, {"end": "02:02:04", "start": "02:02:01", "text": "government mandate now to say, hey, we"}, {"end": "02:02:06", "start": "02:02:03", "text": "should actually consider blockchain"}, {"end": "02:02:08", "start": "02:02:04", "text": "technology and cryptocurrencies as a"}, {"end": "02:02:09", "start": "02:02:06", "text": "first class citizen. And in solving"}, {"end": "02:02:11", "start": "02:02:08", "text": "future problems, we actually think that"}, {"end": "02:02:13", "start": "02:02:09", "text": "there's a there there for these these"}, {"end": "02:02:15", "start": "02:02:11", "text": "types of things. The challenge again"}, {"end": "02:02:18", "start": "02:02:13", "text": "though is that the bureaucracy it runs"}, {"end": "02:02:20", "start": "02:02:15", "text": "at a different clock speed than we do as"}, {"end": "02:02:23", "start": "02:02:18", "text": "an industry. So we think if it doesn't"}, {"end": "02:02:24", "start": "02:02:20", "text": "happen in like 5 days, it didn't happen."}, {"end": "02:02:26", "start": "02:02:23", "text": "The government if it doesn't happen in"}, {"end": "02:02:28", "start": "02:02:24", "text": "like 5 months, we're No, that that's"}, {"end": "02:02:29", "start": "02:02:26", "text": "actually pretty good. You know, may come"}, {"end": "02:02:31", "start": "02:02:28", "text": "back in a few years, maybe we'll have"}, {"end": "02:02:32", "start": "02:02:29", "text": "something for you. You know, it's it's a"}, {"end": "02:02:35", "start": "02:02:31", "text": "different clock speed. What do you think"}, {"end": "02:02:38", "start": "02:02:32", "text": "we've learned from countries that have"}, {"end": "02:02:40", "start": "02:02:35", "text": "implemented crypto as their is their is"}, {"end": "02:02:44", "start": "02:02:38", "text": "their is their national currency? Was is"}, {"end": "02:02:45", "start": "02:02:40", "text": "it El Salvador, Honduras? Did they do it"}, {"end": "02:02:48", "start": "02:02:44", "text": "too? I think El Salvador that was"}, {"end": "02:02:51", "start": "02:02:45", "text": "Bouquet. I I I actually went down there"}, {"end": "02:02:53", "start": "02:02:48", "text": "after he did it. Um so El Salvador was"}, {"end": "02:02:57", "start": "02:02:51", "text": "like living on a different planet. I got"}, {"end": "02:03:01", "start": "02:02:53", "text": "some stories for you. So So this is back"}, {"end": "02:03:03", "start": "02:02:57", "text": "in 2021. Um El Salvador Boule, if you"}, {"end": "02:03:07", "start": "02:03:01", "text": "ever meet him, he's like in his early"}, {"end": "02:03:09", "start": "02:03:03", "text": "40s and he is a super charismatic guy."}, {"end": "02:03:10", "start": "02:03:07", "text": "He was like a nightclub manager for a"}, {"end": "02:03:11", "start": "02:03:09", "text": "bit and then a mayor of something. Now"}, {"end": "02:03:14", "start": "02:03:10", "text": "he's the president of the country,"}, {"end": "02:03:17", "start": "02:03:11", "text": "right? and and he's just he's just got"}, {"end": "02:03:20", "start": "02:03:14", "text": "this this style that's just magical. So,"}, {"end": "02:03:22", "start": "02:03:17", "text": "um El Salvador adopted Bitcoin as their"}, {"end": "02:03:24", "start": "02:03:20", "text": "national standard and then he he he said"}, {"end": "02:03:26", "start": "02:03:22", "text": "it, but they had really no plan for how"}, {"end": "02:03:28", "start": "02:03:24", "text": "they were actually going to adopt and"}, {"end": "02:03:30", "start": "02:03:26", "text": "bring Bitcoin into their country. And so"}, {"end": "02:03:32", "start": "02:03:28", "text": "they had these guys that were local and"}, {"end": "02:03:35", "start": "02:03:30", "text": "they were just terrible. And so Boui is"}, {"end": "02:03:38", "start": "02:03:32", "text": "like, \"I need some help.\" So we knew one"}, {"end": "02:03:40", "start": "02:03:35", "text": "of his guys, there was this cod CIA guy,"}, {"end": "02:03:41", "start": "02:03:38", "text": "his name was Marty. Uh, and he was"}, {"end": "02:03:43", "start": "02:03:40", "text": "friends with this other guy named Damian"}, {"end": "02:03:45", "start": "02:03:41", "text": "who is like the political adviser to"}, {"end": "02:03:46", "start": "02:03:43", "text": "Bouquet. And so I was friends with Marty"}, {"end": "02:03:48", "start": "02:03:45", "text": "and Marty's like, \"You got to talk to"}, {"end": "02:03:50", "start": "02:03:46", "text": "Damian.\" So I talked to Damian. He's"}, {"end": "02:03:52", "start": "02:03:48", "text": "like, \"You should really meet Bouquet."}, {"end": "02:03:54", "start": "02:03:50", "text": "Meet the president.\" I'm like, \"Okay, I"}, {"end": "02:03:56", "start": "02:03:52", "text": "guess I can go to El Salvador. I've"}, {"end": "02:03:57", "start": "02:03:54", "text": "heard interesting things about that"}, {"end": "02:04:01", "start": "02:03:56", "text": "country.\""}, {"end": "02:04:03", "start": "02:03:57", "text": "So So we first had a phone call with him"}, {"end": "02:04:05", "start": "02:04:01", "text": "and I was like, \"Am I really talking to"}, {"end": "02:04:07", "start": "02:04:03", "text": "the president of El Salvador? Like can"}, {"end": "02:04:09", "start": "02:04:05", "text": "we verify is this guy real?\" So the next"}, {"end": "02:04:10", "start": "02:04:07", "text": "time we had a video call and it looked"}, {"end": "02:04:12", "start": "02:04:09", "text": "official. There's flags behind him and"}, {"end": "02:04:14", "start": "02:04:10", "text": "everything and he looked like Bouquet."}, {"end": "02:04:16", "start": "02:04:12", "text": "We're like, \"Okay, I think we're talking"}, {"end": "02:04:17", "start": "02:04:14", "text": "to Boule.\" So then eventually we planned"}, {"end": "02:04:19", "start": "02:04:16", "text": "a trip and we went down to Sense"}, {"end": "02:04:22", "start": "02:04:17", "text": "Salvador and it was the wildest week of"}, {"end": "02:04:23", "start": "02:04:19", "text": "my life. I uh we landed there and uh you"}, {"end": "02:04:25", "start": "02:04:22", "text": "know we go and first we have dinner with"}, {"end": "02:04:28", "start": "02:04:23", "text": "Boule and we end up spend like 4 hours"}, {"end": "02:04:31", "start": "02:04:25", "text": "at the presidential palace and it was"}, {"end": "02:04:33", "start": "02:04:28", "text": "like this long nonsecutous conversation"}, {"end": "02:04:35", "start": "02:04:31", "text": "about various things. He was like like"}, {"end": "02:04:38", "start": "02:04:33", "text": "Latin American Gaddafi was just it was"}, {"end": "02:04:39", "start": "02:04:35", "text": "crazy. And uh and then I was like okay"}, {"end": "02:04:40", "start": "02:04:38", "text": "well how are you going to actually"}, {"end": "02:04:42", "start": "02:04:39", "text": "implement it? We're just going to do it."}, {"end": "02:04:44", "start": "02:04:40", "text": "We're just going to figure it out and we"}, {"end": "02:04:46", "start": "02:04:42", "text": "have 6 months. Let's do it, you know."}, {"end": "02:04:48", "start": "02:04:44", "text": "Okay. So then we had a group of people"}, {"end": "02:04:49", "start": "02:04:46", "text": "we brought in and we started talking to"}, {"end": "02:04:50", "start": "02:04:48", "text": "all the different government agencies."}, {"end": "02:04:52", "start": "02:04:49", "text": "We talked to the central bank and we"}, {"end": "02:04:54", "start": "02:04:50", "text": "said okay well like what are the"}, {"end": "02:04:56", "start": "02:04:52", "text": "compliance guidelines for adopting"}, {"end": "02:04:57", "start": "02:04:54", "text": "cryptocurrency here? It's like well we"}, {"end": "02:04:58", "start": "02:04:56", "text": "don't have any many. I said well where"}, {"end": "02:05:00", "start": "02:04:57", "text": "are you getting your business"}, {"end": "02:05:02", "start": "02:04:58", "text": "requirements? And they said Facebook."}, {"end": "02:05:04", "start": "02:05:00", "text": "What? It's like, \"Yeah, the president"}, {"end": "02:05:05", "start": "02:05:02", "text": "does all his speeches on Facebook, so we"}, {"end": "02:05:07", "start": "02:05:04", "text": "just listen to the president's speeches"}, {"end": "02:05:09", "start": "02:05:05", "text": "and then we'll adopt, you know, whatever"}, {"end": "02:05:12", "start": "02:05:07", "text": "he says over the speeches.\" We're like,"}, {"end": "02:05:14", "start": "02:05:09", "text": "\"Okay, that's uh that's great.\" But the"}, {"end": "02:05:17", "start": "02:05:12", "text": "trippiest thing is they wanted to do"}, {"end": "02:05:18", "start": "02:05:14", "text": "like this Bitcoin mine uh you know, was"}, {"end": "02:05:20", "start": "02:05:17", "text": "using geothermal because I guess they"}, {"end": "02:05:22", "start": "02:05:18", "text": "got volcanoes there. And so they had"}, {"end": "02:05:24", "start": "02:05:20", "text": "this hairbrain scheme that they were"}, {"end": "02:05:25", "start": "02:05:22", "text": "going to build this big Bitcoin valley"}, {"end": "02:05:27", "start": "02:05:24", "text": "with like big geothermal power and"}, {"end": "02:05:29", "start": "02:05:25", "text": "they'll have all the Bitcoin miners come"}, {"end": "02:05:30", "start": "02:05:27", "text": "because now it's like Bitcoin utopia."}, {"end": "02:05:32", "start": "02:05:29", "text": "So, we were talking to the Minister of"}, {"end": "02:05:33", "start": "02:05:30", "text": "Energy there, and it was like a Doctor"}, {"end": "02:05:35", "start": "02:05:32", "text": "Strange love scene. It was it was so"}, {"end": "02:05:39", "start": "02:05:33", "text": "crazy that he looked like um you know,"}, {"end": "02:05:41", "start": "02:05:35", "text": "Dr. Octopus from Spider-Man 2, and he"}, {"end": "02:05:44", "start": "02:05:39", "text": "talked like this. Hello, Charles. The"}, {"end": "02:05:47", "start": "02:05:41", "text": "power of magma will be the destiny of El"}, {"end": "02:05:48", "start": "02:05:44", "text": "Salvador. And we had these Guatemalan"}, {"end": "02:05:50", "start": "02:05:47", "text": "guys in the meeting for no particular"}, {"end": "02:05:52", "start": "02:05:48", "text": "reason. And they were smoking inside the"}, {"end": "02:05:54", "start": "02:05:50", "text": "ministry and they're just like, \"Yeah,"}, {"end": "02:05:56", "start": "02:05:52", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] magma, man. We're going to get"}, {"end": "02:05:57", "start": "02:05:54", "text": "this done.\""}, {"end": "02:05:59", "start": "02:05:56", "text": "It was just one meeting after another"}, {"end": "02:06:00", "start": "02:05:57", "text": "meeting of all this stuff. Then we're"}, {"end": "02:06:02", "start": "02:05:59", "text": "like, \"Okay, okay, the US government's"}, {"end": "02:06:04", "start": "02:06:00", "text": "got to know what's going on. So, let's"}, {"end": "02:06:05", "start": "02:06:02", "text": "go talk to the State Department.\" And of"}, {"end": "02:06:07", "start": "02:06:04", "text": "course, Biden, you know, he never found"}, {"end": "02:06:10", "start": "02:06:05", "text": "something he couldn't [\u00a0__\u00a0] up. So, the"}, {"end": "02:06:12", "start": "02:06:07", "text": "prior ambassador was this great guy that"}, {"end": "02:06:14", "start": "02:06:10", "text": "Boule really liked. They had a wonderful"}, {"end": "02:06:16", "start": "02:06:12", "text": "relationship together. They'd hang out"}, {"end": "02:06:17", "start": "02:06:14", "text": "like watch movies together until 1:00 in"}, {"end": "02:06:19", "start": "02:06:16", "text": "the morning. So, the first thing Biden"}, {"end": "02:06:20", "start": "02:06:17", "text": "did is fire that ambassador and put a"}, {"end": "02:06:22", "start": "02:06:19", "text": "new person in and say, \"The policy of"}, {"end": "02:06:24", "start": "02:06:20", "text": "the US is now regime change.\" So, Bouay"}, {"end": "02:06:26", "start": "02:06:22", "text": "went from, \"Hey, we like the US and"}, {"end": "02:06:27", "start": "02:06:24", "text": "we're friends and I get to hang out with"}, {"end": "02:06:29", "start": "02:06:26", "text": "the ambassador to the ambassador wants"}, {"end": "02:06:32", "start": "02:06:27", "text": "to kill me.\" Okay. For no particular"}, {"end": "02:06:33", "start": "02:06:29", "text": "reason. Um, it's like Forest is gone for"}, {"end": "02:06:36", "start": "02:06:32", "text": "no particular reason. They shot that"}, {"end": "02:06:38", "start": "02:06:33", "text": "man. Um, so, so anyway, we meet the US"}, {"end": "02:06:40", "start": "02:06:36", "text": "ambassador there or the attach where the"}, {"end": "02:06:41", "start": "02:06:38", "text": "hell she was. And, uh, we was like,"}, {"end": "02:06:43", "start": "02:06:40", "text": "\"Okay, well, we've seen all this insane"}, {"end": "02:06:44", "start": "02:06:41", "text": "stuff going on. Like, surely you guys"}, {"end": "02:06:47", "start": "02:06:43", "text": "must know what's going on.\" It's like,"}, {"end": "02:06:49", "start": "02:06:44", "text": "\"No, we thought you knew.\" So, it was"}, {"end": "02:06:51", "start": "02:06:47", "text": "just chaos. It was absolute chaos. They"}, {"end": "02:06:53", "start": "02:06:49", "text": "had no real plan on how to adopt"}, {"end": "02:06:55", "start": "02:06:51", "text": "Bitcoin. They had no real plan for how"}, {"end": "02:06:57", "start": "02:06:53", "text": "to use it and they passed the"}, {"end": "02:06:58", "start": "02:06:55", "text": "legislation for optics and they wanted"}, {"end": "02:07:00", "start": "02:06:57", "text": "to attract a lot of direct foreign"}, {"end": "02:07:01", "start": "02:06:58", "text": "investment in but they didn't really"}, {"end": "02:07:03", "start": "02:07:00", "text": "understand our industry. So what they"}, {"end": "02:07:05", "start": "02:07:01", "text": "ended up doing in El Salvador is they"}, {"end": "02:07:07", "start": "02:07:03", "text": "adopted a centralized solution. So they"}, {"end": "02:07:08", "start": "02:07:05", "text": "said there's Bitcoin but then they had"}, {"end": "02:07:10", "start": "02:07:07", "text": "this thing called the Shiva wallet and"}, {"end": "02:07:11", "start": "02:07:08", "text": "then people would deposit and they would"}, {"end": "02:07:13", "start": "02:07:10", "text": "get a representation of it and they"}, {"end": "02:07:15", "start": "02:07:11", "text": "could spend it amongst each other with"}, {"end": "02:07:18", "start": "02:07:13", "text": "the wallet there in El Salvador. um but"}, {"end": "02:07:20", "start": "02:07:15", "text": "there wasn't in our view appropriate"}, {"end": "02:07:22", "start": "02:07:18", "text": "controls to audit and verify there was a"}, {"end": "02:07:24", "start": "02:07:20", "text": "onetoone correspondence be between"}, {"end": "02:07:25", "start": "02:07:22", "text": "actual Bitcoin and the the currency that"}, {"end": "02:07:26", "start": "02:07:24", "text": "they were trading. The other issue is we"}, {"end": "02:07:28", "start": "02:07:25", "text": "went to the Treasury Department, the"}, {"end": "02:07:31", "start": "02:07:26", "text": "State Department. We met with all these"}, {"end": "02:07:32", "start": "02:07:28", "text": "guys in DC and we tried to say hey you"}, {"end": "02:07:34", "start": "02:07:31", "text": "know is there any way we could work"}, {"end": "02:07:37", "start": "02:07:32", "text": "together on this because there's"}, {"end": "02:07:39", "start": "02:07:34", "text": "millions of El Salvadorans and like 25%"}, {"end": "02:07:40", "start": "02:07:37", "text": "of the population is in the US. They're"}, {"end": "02:07:42", "start": "02:07:39", "text": "kind of under your jurisdiction and"}, {"end": "02:07:43", "start": "02:07:40", "text": "there's all like half their economy"}, {"end": "02:07:45", "start": "02:07:42", "text": "relies on remittances from the United"}, {"end": "02:07:47", "start": "02:07:43", "text": "States. So whatever they do in El"}, {"end": "02:07:49", "start": "02:07:45", "text": "Salvador, the United States is going to"}, {"end": "02:07:50", "start": "02:07:47", "text": "have to have an opinion on that and we"}, {"end": "02:07:51", "start": "02:07:49", "text": "have to get the regulation to work. Like"}, {"end": "02:07:54", "start": "02:07:50", "text": "Boulli, for example, want to do an"}, {"end": "02:07:58", "start": "02:07:51", "text": "airdrop to everybody in El Salvador. And"}, {"end": "02:08:00", "start": "02:07:54", "text": "we're like, okay, but MS13 is on an OFAC"}, {"end": "02:08:02", "start": "02:07:58", "text": "list. And so if we give Bitcoin to all"}, {"end": "02:08:04", "start": "02:08:00", "text": "these people, we're facilitating a"}, {"end": "02:08:05", "start": "02:08:02", "text": "transfer of value to a terrorist"}, {"end": "02:08:08", "start": "02:08:04", "text": "organization."}, {"end": "02:08:10", "start": "02:08:05", "text": "That's no bueno. You know, we can't make"}, {"end": "02:08:12", "start": "02:08:08", "text": "that work. So Justice Department has to"}, {"end": "02:08:14", "start": "02:08:10", "text": "give a clearance and understand what the"}, {"end": "02:08:15", "start": "02:08:12", "text": "rules are and everything. we just"}, {"end": "02:08:18", "start": "02:08:14", "text": "couldn't get there. So, we passed on the"}, {"end": "02:08:20", "start": "02:08:15", "text": "deal after a week, but it was just wild"}, {"end": "02:08:21", "start": "02:08:18", "text": "walking through all that cuz it was like"}, {"end": "02:08:23", "start": "02:08:20", "text": "the whole country was like a startup."}, {"end": "02:08:25", "start": "02:08:21", "text": "The the other thing is they were running"}, {"end": "02:08:27", "start": "02:08:23", "text": "everything on WhatsApp. So, all the"}, {"end": "02:08:28", "start": "02:08:25", "text": "ministers were like in WhatsApp groups"}, {"end": "02:08:30", "start": "02:08:27", "text": "and just talking to each other and that"}, {"end": "02:08:32", "start": "02:08:28", "text": "was their official form of communication"}, {"end": "02:08:33", "start": "02:08:30", "text": "and and there was there's layers and"}, {"end": "02:08:36", "start": "02:08:32", "text": "layers of other things I can tell you"}, {"end": "02:08:38", "start": "02:08:33", "text": "off the record and especially with some"}, {"end": "02:08:41", "start": "02:08:36", "text": "of the interpersonal dynamics there. Um,"}, {"end": "02:08:44", "start": "02:08:38", "text": "but what it did do was because El"}, {"end": "02:08:46", "start": "02:08:41", "text": "Salvador is a real country, it actually"}, {"end": "02:08:49", "start": "02:08:44", "text": "made Bitcoin the official currency and"}, {"end": "02:08:51", "start": "02:08:46", "text": "it forced the IMF and it forced all the"}, {"end": "02:08:53", "start": "02:08:49", "text": "transnational bodies to actually start"}, {"end": "02:08:55", "start": "02:08:51", "text": "recognizing Bitcoin as a currency and"}, {"end": "02:08:57", "start": "02:08:53", "text": "start talking about cryptocurrencies"}, {"end": "02:08:59", "start": "02:08:55", "text": "from a different lens and perspective."}, {"end": "02:09:01", "start": "02:08:57", "text": "They looked at it as kind of a shadowy"}, {"end": "02:09:04", "start": "02:08:59", "text": "speculative asset that weird autistic"}, {"end": "02:09:06", "start": "02:09:01", "text": "nerds trade online and who knows two."}, {"end": "02:09:08", "start": "02:09:04", "text": "Well, if a nation state's using it,"}, {"end": "02:09:11", "start": "02:09:06", "text": "technically speaking, it is a currency"}, {"end": "02:09:13", "start": "02:09:08", "text": "and and there there's something there."}, {"end": "02:09:15", "start": "02:09:11", "text": "And so at that moment, it was a sea"}, {"end": "02:09:18", "start": "02:09:13", "text": "change and it created cracks in the"}, {"end": "02:09:20", "start": "02:09:15", "text": "foundation. And when El Salvador didn't"}, {"end": "02:09:22", "start": "02:09:18", "text": "collapse, but rather they got a lot of"}, {"end": "02:09:24", "start": "02:09:20", "text": "direct foreign investment and all the"}, {"end": "02:09:26", "start": "02:09:22", "text": "Bitcoiners came there, Baley's gambit"}, {"end": "02:09:29", "start": "02:09:24", "text": "actually worked. It said it's okay as a"}, {"end": "02:09:31", "start": "02:09:26", "text": "nation state to adopt cryptocurrencies."}, {"end": "02:09:33", "start": "02:09:29", "text": "You're not going to get retaliation."}, {"end": "02:09:34", "start": "02:09:31", "text": "you're not gonna get crushed by the IMF"}, {"end": "02:09:36", "start": "02:09:33", "text": "or these other people, these big"}, {"end": "02:09:37", "start": "02:09:34", "text": "transnational bodies that came in, you"}, {"end": "02:09:39", "start": "02:09:36", "text": "know, and because the IMF was always a"}, {"end": "02:09:41", "start": "02:09:37", "text": "boogeyman. I remember meeting uh the"}, {"end": "02:09:44", "start": "02:09:39", "text": "prime minister of Georgia, the country"}, {"end": "02:09:47", "start": "02:09:41", "text": "in Eastern Europe, and uh we talked"}, {"end": "02:09:49", "start": "02:09:44", "text": "about like the digital lorry as a as a"}, {"end": "02:09:50", "start": "02:09:47", "text": "stable coin, and he said, \"Well, we"}, {"end": "02:09:52", "start": "02:09:49", "text": "tried, but the IMF came in and said,"}, {"end": "02:09:53", "start": "02:09:50", "text": "we'll pull all your funding and all your"}, {"end": "02:09:55", "start": "02:09:52", "text": "loans and just burn your country to the"}, {"end": "02:09:56", "start": "02:09:53", "text": "ground if you go and do this.\" So, they"}, {"end": "02:09:58", "start": "02:09:55", "text": "were always the boogeyman. And when El"}, {"end": "02:10:00", "start": "02:09:56", "text": "Salvador had the balls to say, \"Fuck it."}, {"end": "02:10:02", "start": "02:09:58", "text": "will just go and do it because bouquet"}, {"end": "02:10:04", "start": "02:10:00", "text": "is bouquet. Um and they didn't get"}, {"end": "02:10:07", "start": "02:10:02", "text": "destroyed. It it it was a very pivotal"}, {"end": "02:10:09", "start": "02:10:04", "text": "moment. So what is the IMF? Uh the"}, {"end": "02:10:11", "start": "02:10:07", "text": "international monetary fund. It's like a"}, {"end": "02:10:13", "start": "02:10:09", "text": "transnational body that basically"}, {"end": "02:10:15", "start": "02:10:11", "text": "oversees the loans to countries and"}, {"end": "02:10:17", "start": "02:10:13", "text": "litany of other things. So after World"}, {"end": "02:10:19", "start": "02:10:15", "text": "War II concluded, um the United States"}, {"end": "02:10:22", "start": "02:10:17", "text": "won and we were in charge of everything"}, {"end": "02:10:24", "start": "02:10:19", "text": "and um you know and there was two"}, {"end": "02:10:26", "start": "02:10:22", "text": "systems, the Soviet system and our"}, {"end": "02:10:27", "start": "02:10:24", "text": "system. And so we set up the world"}, {"end": "02:10:30", "start": "02:10:26", "text": "financial order. It was called the"}, {"end": "02:10:32", "start": "02:10:27", "text": "Bretton Woods Agreement of 1944. And"}, {"end": "02:10:34", "start": "02:10:30", "text": "that plus the Marshall Plan plus things"}, {"end": "02:10:36", "start": "02:10:32", "text": "that happened in the 50s and 60s, they"}, {"end": "02:10:38", "start": "02:10:34", "text": "created a world order. And we"}, {"end": "02:10:41", "start": "02:10:36", "text": "established these big transnational"}, {"end": "02:10:44", "start": "02:10:38", "text": "bodies like the World Bank and the World"}, {"end": "02:10:46", "start": "02:10:41", "text": "Trade Organization and the IMF and Swift"}, {"end": "02:10:48", "start": "02:10:44", "text": "and so forth. And basically what they"}, {"end": "02:10:50", "start": "02:10:46", "text": "did is they created a management layer"}, {"end": "02:10:52", "start": "02:10:48", "text": "for the entire financial system of the"}, {"end": "02:10:55", "start": "02:10:50", "text": "world. Any place the dollar touched, any"}, {"end": "02:10:58", "start": "02:10:52", "text": "place America touched, you adopted not"}, {"end": "02:10:59", "start": "02:10:55", "text": "just America stuff, our blue jeans and"}, {"end": "02:11:02", "start": "02:10:58", "text": "music, but you got our banking system"}, {"end": "02:11:05", "start": "02:10:59", "text": "and you got wired into it. So how"}, {"end": "02:11:06", "start": "02:11:02", "text": "America projects soft power is we don't"}, {"end": "02:11:08", "start": "02:11:05", "text": "have to invade you. We can just"}, {"end": "02:11:10", "start": "02:11:06", "text": "blacklist you from the world financial"}, {"end": "02:11:13", "start": "02:11:08", "text": "system. So like FATIF is a great example"}, {"end": "02:11:15", "start": "02:11:10", "text": "of that. It's a uh controlling body that"}, {"end": "02:11:17", "start": "02:11:13", "text": "does all the compliance and regulation."}, {"end": "02:11:19", "start": "02:11:15", "text": "Well, if you had on a fat if blacklist,"}, {"end": "02:11:21", "start": "02:11:17", "text": "it's like really hard for your regulated"}, {"end": "02:11:22", "start": "02:11:19", "text": "financial vehicles to have correspondent"}, {"end": "02:11:24", "start": "02:11:21", "text": "bank relationships with the rest of the"}, {"end": "02:11:26", "start": "02:11:22", "text": "world. So effectively, you become a"}, {"end": "02:11:28", "start": "02:11:24", "text": "financial island and money can't get in,"}, {"end": "02:11:29", "start": "02:11:26", "text": "money can't get out, and all your rich"}, {"end": "02:11:31", "start": "02:11:28", "text": "people are no longer rich because their"}, {"end": "02:11:33", "start": "02:11:29", "text": "money doesn't do anything. So we don't"}, {"end": "02:11:36", "start": "02:11:31", "text": "have to invade you. We just put you on a"}, {"end": "02:11:38", "start": "02:11:33", "text": "blacklist and then you're done. So these"}, {"end": "02:11:40", "start": "02:11:36", "text": "transial bodies, they've grown so"}, {"end": "02:11:42", "start": "02:11:38", "text": "powerful that they literally can"}, {"end": "02:11:45", "start": "02:11:40", "text": "influence foreign policy and also"}, {"end": "02:11:47", "start": "02:11:42", "text": "domestic policy. So you can go in and"}, {"end": "02:11:48", "start": "02:11:45", "text": "use them and say, \"Hey, you know, uh,"}, {"end": "02:11:50", "start": "02:11:47", "text": "you know, you got to treat this ethnic"}, {"end": "02:11:52", "start": "02:11:48", "text": "group a little better, or this group of"}, {"end": "02:11:53", "start": "02:11:50", "text": "people should be allowed to vote, or you"}, {"end": "02:11:54", "start": "02:11:52", "text": "need to change this law, or something."}, {"end": "02:11:55", "start": "02:11:53", "text": "If you don't change that law, you know,"}, {"end": "02:11:57", "start": "02:11:54", "text": "you're just not going to get credit"}, {"end": "02:11:59", "start": "02:11:55", "text": "anymore. You can't borrow money. So,"}, {"end": "02:12:01", "start": "02:11:57", "text": "sorry.\" Or, you know, all your debt,"}, {"end": "02:12:03", "start": "02:11:59", "text": "we're just going to collapse it and uh,"}, {"end": "02:12:05", "start": "02:12:01", "text": "nobody will buy that debt. Or, you know,"}, {"end": "02:12:07", "start": "02:12:03", "text": "actually, you just can't travel anymore."}, {"end": "02:12:10", "start": "02:12:05", "text": "Just cut your passports off or these"}, {"end": "02:12:11", "start": "02:12:07", "text": "types of things. And it's uh, it's it's"}, {"end": "02:12:13", "start": "02:12:10", "text": "especially for smaller countries, it's"}, {"end": "02:12:15", "start": "02:12:11", "text": "not a small concern. You're literally"}, {"end": "02:12:17", "start": "02:12:13", "text": "told what to do as the president of the"}, {"end": "02:12:20", "start": "02:12:15", "text": "country for these types of things. So"}, {"end": "02:12:22", "start": "02:12:17", "text": "initiated Brexit. Yeah. Well, Brexit was"}, {"end": "02:12:25", "start": "02:12:20", "text": "a component of that because that that"}, {"end": "02:12:27", "start": "02:12:22", "text": "was the European system in the UK. And"}, {"end": "02:12:29", "start": "02:12:25", "text": "you know, it's still a mixed bag. We"}, {"end": "02:12:30", "start": "02:12:27", "text": "have a lab in Scotland for a long time."}, {"end": "02:12:32", "start": "02:12:29", "text": "And so we kind of hear both sides of the"}, {"end": "02:12:35", "start": "02:12:30", "text": "politics, the proxit and the anti-rexit"}, {"end": "02:12:37", "start": "02:12:32", "text": "people. But that populist uprising did"}, {"end": "02:12:40", "start": "02:12:35", "text": "have that same sentiment. Why is it that"}, {"end": "02:12:42", "start": "02:12:37", "text": "I as a voter in the UK can say my"}, {"end": "02:12:44", "start": "02:12:40", "text": "opinion but then some European"}, {"end": "02:12:46", "start": "02:12:42", "text": "bureaucrat can override my opinion that"}, {"end": "02:12:49", "start": "02:12:44", "text": "I can't vote for and I have no control"}, {"end": "02:12:50", "start": "02:12:46", "text": "over. Is this a democracy or not? And so"}, {"end": "02:12:52", "start": "02:12:49", "text": "when you look at transnational body that"}, {"end": "02:12:54", "start": "02:12:50", "text": "comes in and they have some say or"}, {"end": "02:12:56", "start": "02:12:52", "text": "control over your country. No matter who"}, {"end": "02:12:57", "start": "02:12:54", "text": "you vote for the president, no matter"}, {"end": "02:13:00", "start": "02:12:56", "text": "what you do, they basically you're not"}, {"end": "02:13:02", "start": "02:12:57", "text": "in charge. It's like Bane like do you"}, {"end": "02:13:03", "start": "02:13:00", "text": "feel in charge? It's like that's that's"}, {"end": "02:13:05", "start": "02:13:02", "text": "these transnational bodies. They do"}, {"end": "02:13:07", "start": "02:13:03", "text": "these types of things. Um, now of course"}, {"end": "02:13:10", "start": "02:13:05", "text": "in America we don't mind because we run"}, {"end": "02:13:11", "start": "02:13:07", "text": "these bodies. It's one of our our"}, {"end": "02:13:13", "start": "02:13:10", "text": "batteries included on the American"}, {"end": "02:13:15", "start": "02:13:11", "text": "Empire. It gives us the ability to"}, {"end": "02:13:17", "start": "02:13:13", "text": "project force and for the most part it"}, {"end": "02:13:19", "start": "02:13:15", "text": "it does create stability inside the"}, {"end": "02:13:21", "start": "02:13:17", "text": "world because you get standardization"}, {"end": "02:13:24", "start": "02:13:19", "text": "and you know your money works everywhere"}, {"end": "02:13:26", "start": "02:13:21", "text": "and contract law and also somebody gets"}, {"end": "02:13:28", "start": "02:13:24", "text": "kidnapped or ransomed or something then"}, {"end": "02:13:29", "start": "02:13:26", "text": "maybe just maybe like we'll have"}, {"end": "02:13:31", "start": "02:13:28", "text": "international coordination on law"}, {"end": "02:13:33", "start": "02:13:29", "text": "enforcement and these other things. It's"}, {"end": "02:13:35", "start": "02:13:31", "text": "a way to kind of solve problems without"}, {"end": "02:13:36", "start": "02:13:33", "text": "having to go to war all the time or"}, {"end": "02:13:38", "start": "02:13:35", "text": "having to send spies and kill people or"}, {"end": "02:13:40", "start": "02:13:36", "text": "these types of things. Uh but on the"}, {"end": "02:13:42", "start": "02:13:38", "text": "other hand, it's a system that's ripe"}, {"end": "02:13:45", "start": "02:13:40", "text": "for abuse because if you can take over"}, {"end": "02:13:48", "start": "02:13:42", "text": "those those anchors of power, you can"}, {"end": "02:13:51", "start": "02:13:45", "text": "use those to benefit the people that put"}, {"end": "02:13:53", "start": "02:13:48", "text": "you there. You see, so it creates a"}, {"end": "02:13:56", "start": "02:13:51", "text": "shadow system of transnational"}, {"end": "02:13:58", "start": "02:13:53", "text": "governance across the world as a whole."}, {"end": "02:14:00", "start": "02:13:56", "text": "Uh and then also it creates very strong"}, {"end": "02:14:01", "start": "02:13:58", "text": "incentives for people try to opt out"}, {"end": "02:14:04", "start": "02:14:00", "text": "which is why you have competing systems"}, {"end": "02:14:05", "start": "02:14:01", "text": "like the BRICS system that Russia and"}, {"end": "02:14:07", "start": "02:14:04", "text": "China and these others are trying to"}, {"end": "02:14:09", "start": "02:14:05", "text": "push and you know propagate through. So"}, {"end": "02:14:11", "start": "02:14:07", "text": "these guys will say, \"Oh, well, you"}, {"end": "02:14:13", "start": "02:14:09", "text": "know, the American system is terrible"}, {"end": "02:14:14", "start": "02:14:11", "text": "and look how bad it is.\" And to a"}, {"end": "02:14:17", "start": "02:14:13", "text": "certain extent, you know, it's you can"}, {"end": "02:14:21", "start": "02:14:14", "text": "see the anger like in Switzerland after"}, {"end": "02:14:22", "start": "02:14:17", "text": "2022 when the Russians invaded Ukraine,"}, {"end": "02:14:25", "start": "02:14:21", "text": "the US government went to Switzerland"}, {"end": "02:14:26", "start": "02:14:22", "text": "said the Russians are persona on get rid"}, {"end": "02:14:28", "start": "02:14:25", "text": "of all those Russian accounts and all"}, {"end": "02:14:30", "start": "02:14:26", "text": "that Russian money. So the Swiss"}, {"end": "02:14:32", "start": "02:14:28", "text": "complied and like 50 billion plus"}, {"end": "02:14:34", "start": "02:14:30", "text": "dollars left Switzerland. Very expensive"}, {"end": "02:14:35", "start": "02:14:32", "text": "for a small country. So then the Swiss"}, {"end": "02:14:37", "start": "02:14:34", "text": "government says, \"Okay, we were good"}, {"end": "02:14:39", "start": "02:14:35", "text": "kids. So what do we get?\" And we're"}, {"end": "02:14:41", "start": "02:14:37", "text": "like, \"Go [\u00a0__\u00a0] yourself.\" They give him"}, {"end": "02:14:42", "start": "02:14:39", "text": "nothing for that, you know. And so then"}, {"end": "02:14:44", "start": "02:14:41", "text": "the Swiss remember that. They can't do"}, {"end": "02:14:46", "start": "02:14:42", "text": "anything about it right now, but they"}, {"end": "02:14:49", "start": "02:14:44", "text": "remember it. And then the next time"}, {"end": "02:14:51", "start": "02:14:46", "text": "China comes and says, you know, is it"}, {"end": "02:14:52", "start": "02:14:49", "text": "really worth your time being like so"}, {"end": "02:14:54", "start": "02:14:51", "text": "friendly and nice with the United"}, {"end": "02:14:56", "start": "02:14:52", "text": "States? And in some cases, the country"}, {"end": "02:14:58", "start": "02:14:54", "text": "doesn't comply. Like I remember I was in"}, {"end": "02:15:00", "start": "02:14:56", "text": "Abu Dhabi. I'll never forget this. I was"}, {"end": "02:15:02", "start": "02:14:58", "text": "in Abu Dhabi and I was sitting eating"}, {"end": "02:15:04", "start": "02:15:00", "text": "dinner and then suddenly I saw fighter"}, {"end": "02:15:06", "start": "02:15:02", "text": "jets fly overhead and they were painting"}, {"end": "02:15:08", "start": "02:15:04", "text": "the Russian flag in the sky. And I said,"}, {"end": "02:15:09", "start": "02:15:06", "text": "\"What the hell is going on?\" And it"}, {"end": "02:15:12", "start": "02:15:08", "text": "turned out Vladimir Putin was visiting"}, {"end": "02:15:14", "start": "02:15:09", "text": "Abu Dhabi that day and they gave him a"}, {"end": "02:15:16", "start": "02:15:12", "text": "hero's triumph. He comes in like a like"}, {"end": "02:15:18", "start": "02:15:14", "text": "a Roman general returning with the"}, {"end": "02:15:19", "start": "02:15:16", "text": "purple robes on, you know, for a"}, {"end": "02:15:21", "start": "02:15:18", "text": "triumph. Because what happened was that"}, {"end": "02:15:23", "start": "02:15:19", "text": "just a few weeks before the Treasury"}, {"end": "02:15:25", "start": "02:15:21", "text": "Secretary was there, the prior Treasury"}, {"end": "02:15:27", "start": "02:15:23", "text": "Secretary, and they were threatening Abu"}, {"end": "02:15:29", "start": "02:15:25", "text": "Dhabi with sanctions and all these"}, {"end": "02:15:31", "start": "02:15:27", "text": "things, had its blacklist over having"}, {"end": "02:15:33", "start": "02:15:29", "text": "Russian money in Abu Dhabi. And the king"}, {"end": "02:15:35", "start": "02:15:31", "text": "was very offended. And so he upgraded"}, {"end": "02:15:37", "start": "02:15:33", "text": "Putin's reception from hey you're a"}, {"end": "02:15:39", "start": "02:15:35", "text": "foreign head of state to welcome hero of"}, {"end": "02:15:41", "start": "02:15:37", "text": "the people just to [\u00a0__\u00a0] with the"}, {"end": "02:15:43", "start": "02:15:39", "text": "Americans thing you know and you can"}, {"end": "02:15:45", "start": "02:15:41", "text": "still find it on uh Twitter you can see"}, {"end": "02:15:47", "start": "02:15:43", "text": "the cuz it was all big news item of"}, {"end": "02:15:48", "start": "02:15:45", "text": "Putin coming to Abu Dhabi and these"}, {"end": "02:15:50", "start": "02:15:47", "text": "types of things cuz you know they did"}, {"end": "02:15:51", "start": "02:15:48", "text": "the calculation and they they told the"}, {"end": "02:15:53", "start": "02:15:50", "text": "Treasury Secretary this they say if I"}, {"end": "02:15:57", "start": "02:15:51", "text": "add up China, Russia, Middle East and"}, {"end": "02:15:59", "start": "02:15:53", "text": "Africa that's twice the size of Europe"}, {"end": "02:16:02", "start": "02:15:57", "text": "and United States in terms of GDP. And"}, {"end": "02:16:04", "start": "02:15:59", "text": "if you look at the GDP growth of that"}, {"end": "02:16:07", "start": "02:16:02", "text": "block versus the GDP growth of America"}, {"end": "02:16:09", "start": "02:16:04", "text": "and Europe, it's growing much faster. So"}, {"end": "02:16:11", "start": "02:16:07", "text": "if we're going to pick a side, we're"}, {"end": "02:16:13", "start": "02:16:09", "text": "going to pick that side. You understand"}, {"end": "02:16:15", "start": "02:16:11", "text": "that? And uh and then they realize they"}, {"end": "02:16:16", "start": "02:16:13", "text": "overplayed their hand. So that's the"}, {"end": "02:16:18", "start": "02:16:15", "text": "other danger of these transnational"}, {"end": "02:16:20", "start": "02:16:16", "text": "bodies. If you abuse them and overuse"}, {"end": "02:16:22", "start": "02:16:18", "text": "them, the resentment builds and you"}, {"end": "02:16:24", "start": "02:16:20", "text": "create a coalition of anger and then"}, {"end": "02:16:26", "start": "02:16:22", "text": "over time that forms into another"}, {"end": "02:16:28", "start": "02:16:24", "text": "economic block and then eventually"}, {"end": "02:16:31", "start": "02:16:26", "text": "people opt out of the system and then"}, {"end": "02:16:32", "start": "02:16:28", "text": "you lose the whole system as a whole. So"}, {"end": "02:16:33", "start": "02:16:31", "text": "that's another reason why"}, {"end": "02:16:35", "start": "02:16:32", "text": "cryptocurrencies are so appealing"}, {"end": "02:16:38", "start": "02:16:33", "text": "because it's a reset. How close are we"}, {"end": "02:16:40", "start": "02:16:35", "text": "to losing that system? Well, it depends"}, {"end": "02:16:42", "start": "02:16:38", "text": "on a variety of factors. If a world war"}, {"end": "02:16:45", "start": "02:16:40", "text": "happens, it's a reset and whoever wins"}, {"end": "02:16:46", "start": "02:16:42", "text": "gets the new system. Um, so China, US,"}, {"end": "02:16:48", "start": "02:16:45", "text": "if that breaks out, you know, through"}, {"end": "02:16:50", "start": "02:16:46", "text": "Cidities trap, we're, you know, we'll"}, {"end": "02:16:52", "start": "02:16:48", "text": "figure it out. Um, if the dollar"}, {"end": "02:16:54", "start": "02:16:50", "text": "collapses, we lose the system. We're at"}, {"end": "02:16:56", "start": "02:16:52", "text": "37 trillion in national debt right now."}, {"end": "02:16:57", "start": "02:16:54", "text": "That's the stuff on the books. But then"}, {"end": "02:16:59", "start": "02:16:56", "text": "when you look at the long-term"}, {"end": "02:17:00", "start": "02:16:57", "text": "liabilities, it's well over 50 trillion"}, {"end": "02:17:02", "start": "02:16:59", "text": "to 100 trillion depending on how you"}, {"end": "02:17:04", "start": "02:17:00", "text": "count it. And at some point, the"}, {"end": "02:17:05", "start": "02:17:02", "text": "interest on that's untenable. In fact,"}, {"end": "02:17:06", "start": "02:17:04", "text": "at the current rate of interest, we"}, {"end": "02:17:09", "start": "02:17:05", "text": "spend more on the interest on the debt"}, {"end": "02:17:10", "start": "02:17:06", "text": "than the entire US military. Just gives"}, {"end": "02:17:12", "start": "02:17:09", "text": "a sense of that. And if we continue"}, {"end": "02:17:14", "start": "02:17:10", "text": "spending the way we do, within 10-15"}, {"end": "02:17:16", "start": "02:17:12", "text": "years, we'll spend more than the US"}, {"end": "02:17:18", "start": "02:17:14", "text": "military, Medicare, Social Security, and"}, {"end": "02:17:20", "start": "02:17:16", "text": "education combined on interest on the"}, {"end": "02:17:23", "start": "02:17:18", "text": "debt. It's a very bad situation to be"}, {"end": "02:17:25", "start": "02:17:20", "text": "in. And the thing is that we don't feel"}, {"end": "02:17:26", "start": "02:17:23", "text": "real interest rates in our junk debt"}, {"end": "02:17:28", "start": "02:17:25", "text": "because we're the world reserve"}, {"end": "02:17:30", "start": "02:17:26", "text": "currency. And so we project that into"}, {"end": "02:17:32", "start": "02:17:28", "text": "the other countries first. They get"}, {"end": "02:17:35", "start": "02:17:30", "text": "first hit, then we get second hit"}, {"end": "02:17:36", "start": "02:17:32", "text": "because of our status. It creates a very"}, {"end": "02:17:39", "start": "02:17:35", "text": "strong incentive for them to ddollarize"}, {"end": "02:17:40", "start": "02:17:36", "text": "and get off the dollar. And it's a"}, {"end": "02:17:42", "start": "02:17:39", "text": "gradual thing little by little. And we"}, {"end": "02:17:45", "start": "02:17:40", "text": "see this belt road in China with the the"}, {"end": "02:17:47", "start": "02:17:42", "text": "digital yuan. They are slowly moving"}, {"end": "02:17:49", "start": "02:17:45", "text": "through and they don't just give you"}, {"end": "02:17:51", "start": "02:17:47", "text": "money, they give you an economic system."}, {"end": "02:17:53", "start": "02:17:49", "text": "So you adopt social credit, you adopt"}, {"end": "02:17:55", "start": "02:17:51", "text": "the digital yuan, you adopt the Chinese"}, {"end": "02:17:57", "start": "02:17:53", "text": "companies, you adopt the Chinese"}, {"end": "02:17:59", "start": "02:17:55", "text": "infrastructure, and you ddollarize in"}, {"end": "02:18:01", "start": "02:17:57", "text": "the process of doing that. So they have"}, {"end": "02:18:02", "start": "02:17:59", "text": "a 50-year plan, and they just go country"}, {"end": "02:18:04", "start": "02:18:01", "text": "by country, and they've taken all of"}, {"end": "02:18:06", "start": "02:18:02", "text": "Central Asia. They're taking big chunks"}, {"end": "02:18:08", "start": "02:18:04", "text": "of Africa like Zambia and other things"}, {"end": "02:18:11", "start": "02:18:06", "text": "like that. Uh so as long as that"}, {"end": "02:18:13", "start": "02:18:08", "text": "continues there's an inevitability of of"}, {"end": "02:18:14", "start": "02:18:11", "text": "a dollization of the world and then we"}, {"end": "02:18:16", "start": "02:18:13", "text": "have to pay real interest rates on the"}, {"end": "02:18:18", "start": "02:18:14", "text": "debt. The money collapses and then then"}, {"end": "02:18:20", "start": "02:18:16", "text": "that provokes a huge issue you know for"}, {"end": "02:18:23", "start": "02:18:18", "text": "us. So if left to the own devices"}, {"end": "02:18:25", "start": "02:18:20", "text": "nothing else changes then uh probably"}, {"end": "02:18:27", "start": "02:18:23", "text": "around the 2030s you'd be looking at"}, {"end": "02:18:29", "start": "02:18:25", "text": "that collapse. Now that said never bet"}, {"end": "02:18:31", "start": "02:18:27", "text": "against America you know cuz every time"}, {"end": "02:18:33", "start": "02:18:29", "text": "people said we're going to be dead in"}, {"end": "02:18:35", "start": "02:18:31", "text": "the water then [\u00a0__\u00a0] changes. some new"}, {"end": "02:18:37", "start": "02:18:33", "text": "leader comes in, some new policy comes"}, {"end": "02:18:38", "start": "02:18:35", "text": "in, some new innovation comes in. And"}, {"end": "02:18:40", "start": "02:18:37", "text": "really all it would take for us to get"}, {"end": "02:18:42", "start": "02:18:38", "text": "out of it is just five and five. 5% GDP"}, {"end": "02:18:44", "start": "02:18:40", "text": "growth rate and 5% reduction in the"}, {"end": "02:18:47", "start": "02:18:42", "text": "budget of the US government. Run that"}, {"end": "02:18:50", "start": "02:18:44", "text": "for 10 to 15 years. You cut the budget"}, {"end": "02:18:52", "start": "02:18:47", "text": "in half, you double the economy, and we"}, {"end": "02:18:53", "start": "02:18:50", "text": "can pay down all of our debt. It's not"}, {"end": "02:18:55", "start": "02:18:52", "text": "really a long time if you think about"}, {"end": "02:18:57", "start": "02:18:53", "text": "it. When Bill Clinton left office, we"}, {"end": "02:19:00", "start": "02:18:55", "text": "were only at 4 and a.5 trillion in debt."}, {"end": "02:19:02", "start": "02:18:57", "text": "Now we're at 37 trillion in debt. That"}, {"end": "02:19:04", "start": "02:19:00", "text": "wasn't a long time ago. you know, when"}, {"end": "02:19:06", "start": "02:19:02", "text": "you think about that and and so things"}, {"end": "02:19:08", "start": "02:19:04", "text": "can change very quickly in a very"}, {"end": "02:19:12", "start": "02:19:06", "text": "negative direction or in a very positive"}, {"end": "02:19:14", "start": "02:19:08", "text": "direction. Um, but you have to have an"}, {"end": "02:19:16", "start": "02:19:12", "text": "adult conversation about things. And the"}, {"end": "02:19:17", "start": "02:19:14", "text": "reason why people aren't willing to have"}, {"end": "02:19:20", "start": "02:19:16", "text": "an adult conversation, it goes back to"}, {"end": "02:19:21", "start": "02:19:17", "text": "what blockchain is for, which is trust."}, {"end": "02:19:23", "start": "02:19:20", "text": "You can't have an adult conversation if"}, {"end": "02:19:24", "start": "02:19:21", "text": "you don't trust the person sitting"}, {"end": "02:19:27", "start": "02:19:23", "text": "across from you. If you think that that"}, {"end": "02:19:29", "start": "02:19:24", "text": "person doesn't have your best interest"}, {"end": "02:19:30", "start": "02:19:27", "text": "at heart, if you think that person's"}, {"end": "02:19:33", "start": "02:19:29", "text": "intrinsically corrupt and whatever"}, {"end": "02:19:35", "start": "02:19:30", "text": "they're proposing is through a lens of"}, {"end": "02:19:37", "start": "02:19:33", "text": "something to steal something from you,"}, {"end": "02:19:39", "start": "02:19:35", "text": "even if they have the best idea in the"}, {"end": "02:19:40", "start": "02:19:37", "text": "world, you're not going to say yes to"}, {"end": "02:19:42", "start": "02:19:39", "text": "that idea because you just you can't get"}, {"end": "02:19:45", "start": "02:19:40", "text": "there on the trust side of things. So"}, {"end": "02:19:46", "start": "02:19:42", "text": "the real reset is the trust reset. How"}, {"end": "02:19:48", "start": "02:19:45", "text": "do you get the social systems where"}, {"end": "02:19:50", "start": "02:19:46", "text": "whether you're a Democrat or Republican,"}, {"end": "02:19:52", "start": "02:19:48", "text": "left or right, you're one political"}, {"end": "02:19:54", "start": "02:19:50", "text": "persuasion or the other, you trust that"}, {"end": "02:19:56", "start": "02:19:52", "text": "system. You say that system is okay."}, {"end": "02:19:58", "start": "02:19:54", "text": "That is the space you can negotiate and"}, {"end": "02:20:00", "start": "02:19:56", "text": "then you can bring problems into the"}, {"end": "02:20:02", "start": "02:19:58", "text": "domain and objectively speaking is it"}, {"end": "02:20:04", "start": "02:20:00", "text": "sensible that we have 37 trillion in"}, {"end": "02:20:07", "start": "02:20:02", "text": "national debt? No. Is it sensible that"}, {"end": "02:20:08", "start": "02:20:04", "text": "when we fight wars we lose them now even"}, {"end": "02:20:10", "start": "02:20:07", "text": "though we spend more money than any"}, {"end": "02:20:11", "start": "02:20:08", "text": "country in the world on the military and"}, {"end": "02:20:14", "start": "02:20:10", "text": "we have the best warriors in the history"}, {"end": "02:20:16", "start": "02:20:11", "text": "of the world? No. It's not sensible. Is"}, {"end": "02:20:18", "start": "02:20:14", "text": "it sensible that we spend two to four"}, {"end": "02:20:20", "start": "02:20:16", "text": "times as much money on healthcare as our"}, {"end": "02:20:23", "start": "02:20:18", "text": "peers but we have a lower quality for"}, {"end": "02:20:25", "start": "02:20:20", "text": "that? No. Is it sensible that you know"}, {"end": "02:20:26", "start": "02:20:23", "text": "social security is basically a Ponzi"}, {"end": "02:20:27", "start": "02:20:25", "text": "scheme? You're going to pay in it your"}, {"end": "02:20:29", "start": "02:20:26", "text": "whole life. You're not going to get"}, {"end": "02:20:31", "start": "02:20:27", "text": "anywhere near what you paid into it back"}, {"end": "02:20:33", "start": "02:20:29", "text": "if you just invested it. And there's a"}, {"end": "02:20:34", "start": "02:20:31", "text": "strong possibility when they means test"}, {"end": "02:20:36", "start": "02:20:33", "text": "it a lot of people will just be dropped"}, {"end": "02:20:38", "start": "02:20:34", "text": "out. So they never get anything even"}, {"end": "02:20:40", "start": "02:20:36", "text": "though they paid into it. Probably not."}, {"end": "02:20:42", "start": "02:20:38", "text": "No. Okay. So we start getting some"}, {"end": "02:20:45", "start": "02:20:40", "text": "consensus that these are not sensible"}, {"end": "02:20:47", "start": "02:20:42", "text": "things. Notice we didn't say universal"}, {"end": "02:20:49", "start": "02:20:45", "text": "healthcare or complete free market or"}, {"end": "02:20:51", "start": "02:20:47", "text": "this thing or that thing. We just get an"}, {"end": "02:20:53", "start": "02:20:49", "text": "agreement that these are problems."}, {"end": "02:20:55", "start": "02:20:51", "text": "then you can negotiate and start talking"}, {"end": "02:20:57", "start": "02:20:53", "text": "around that. And because you have a"}, {"end": "02:20:58", "start": "02:20:55", "text": "negotiation from a position of trust,"}, {"end": "02:20:59", "start": "02:20:57", "text": "everybody's working in the same"}, {"end": "02:21:01", "start": "02:20:58", "text": "direction because they're trying to"}, {"end": "02:21:03", "start": "02:20:59", "text": "solve the same problem and it's just a"}, {"end": "02:21:04", "start": "02:21:01", "text": "matter of compromises. So that's the"}, {"end": "02:21:06", "start": "02:21:03", "text": "only way to solve it. And and until"}, {"end": "02:21:08", "start": "02:21:04", "text": "that's done, there's an inevitability of"}, {"end": "02:21:11", "start": "02:21:06", "text": "collapse. And typically what happens is"}, {"end": "02:21:13", "start": "02:21:08", "text": "the collapsing empire tries to provoke a"}, {"end": "02:21:16", "start": "02:21:11", "text": "conflict to to restore itself. And so"}, {"end": "02:21:18", "start": "02:21:13", "text": "that's what begins with a world war, you"}, {"end": "02:21:20", "start": "02:21:16", "text": "know, against emerging powers. uh so"}, {"end": "02:21:22", "start": "02:21:18", "text": "we'll see what happens but you know it's"}, {"end": "02:21:24", "start": "02:21:20", "text": "a difficult time. The other thing that"}, {"end": "02:21:25", "start": "02:21:22", "text": "really causes some complication is that"}, {"end": "02:21:28", "start": "02:21:24", "text": "we have too many exponential"}, {"end": "02:21:30", "start": "02:21:25", "text": "technologies. So the 20th century was"}, {"end": "02:21:32", "start": "02:21:28", "text": "the introduction of an exponential"}, {"end": "02:21:34", "start": "02:21:30", "text": "technology. It's multiple ones. The the"}, {"end": "02:21:36", "start": "02:21:32", "text": "nuclear weapons were the first example"}, {"end": "02:21:38", "start": "02:21:34", "text": "of that. Bombs were linear before that."}, {"end": "02:21:41", "start": "02:21:36", "text": "You know more explosive bigger blast"}, {"end": "02:21:43", "start": "02:21:38", "text": "linear scale with nukes like a little"}, {"end": "02:21:45", "start": "02:21:41", "text": "bit. Wow it's big. A little bit more. Oh"}, {"end": "02:21:49", "start": "02:21:43", "text": "my god it's exponentially larger. And"}, {"end": "02:21:52", "start": "02:21:45", "text": "and so the first atomic bomb was in the"}, {"end": "02:21:54", "start": "02:21:49", "text": "kilotons and within just a decade we"}, {"end": "02:21:56", "start": "02:21:52", "text": "were in the megat tons thousands of"}, {"end": "02:21:59", "start": "02:21:54", "text": "times more destructive. Look at Zarbomba"}, {"end": "02:22:01", "start": "02:21:56", "text": "it was 50 megat tons. Hiroshima was like"}, {"end": "02:22:04", "start": "02:21:59", "text": "30 or 40 kilotons you know of"}, {"end": "02:22:06", "start": "02:22:01", "text": "destructive power. So exponential growth"}, {"end": "02:22:08", "start": "02:22:04", "text": "meant that we had invented something for"}, {"end": "02:22:09", "start": "02:22:06", "text": "the first time in human history that"}, {"end": "02:22:11", "start": "02:22:08", "text": "could actually wipe out the entire"}, {"end": "02:22:14", "start": "02:22:09", "text": "species. And we actually came"}, {"end": "02:22:16", "start": "02:22:11", "text": "ridiculously close once in 1962 and it"}, {"end": "02:22:18", "start": "02:22:14", "text": "was literally a a first officer in a sub"}, {"end": "02:22:20", "start": "02:22:16", "text": "who decided not to turn his key. And"}, {"end": "02:22:22", "start": "02:22:18", "text": "then again in the 80s and it was a"}, {"end": "02:22:24", "start": "02:22:20", "text": "lieutenant colonel you who was running a"}, {"end": "02:22:26", "start": "02:22:22", "text": "nuclear silo in Moscow and it was a"}, {"end": "02:22:28", "start": "02:22:24", "text": "computer software bug and it was telling"}, {"end": "02:22:30", "start": "02:22:26", "text": "him that we had launched weapons at"}, {"end": "02:22:32", "start": "02:22:28", "text": "Russia and and the he was instructed to"}, {"end": "02:22:33", "start": "02:22:30", "text": "launch nuclear weapons at us and he"}, {"end": "02:22:35", "start": "02:22:32", "text": "wouldn't do it because he didn't want to"}, {"end": "02:22:38", "start": "02:22:33", "text": "end the world. So like literally like"}, {"end": "02:22:40", "start": "02:22:35", "text": "two people were prevented the world from"}, {"end": "02:22:42", "start": "02:22:38", "text": "nuclear Armageddon just by themselves."}, {"end": "02:22:44", "start": "02:22:40", "text": "And in both cases they were harshly"}, {"end": "02:22:46", "start": "02:22:42", "text": "punished by the Soviet system which is"}, {"end": "02:22:49", "start": "02:22:44", "text": "just ironic. But anyway exponential"}, {"end": "02:22:50", "start": "02:22:46", "text": "technologies are very dangerous. And"}, {"end": "02:22:52", "start": "02:22:49", "text": "then when you look at it now we have"}, {"end": "02:22:54", "start": "02:22:50", "text": "multiple exponential technologies"}, {"end": "02:22:55", "start": "02:22:52", "text": "sneaking their way through. You have"}, {"end": "02:22:57", "start": "02:22:54", "text": "synthetic biology we talked about a"}, {"end": "02:22:59", "start": "02:22:55", "text": "little earlier. It can be used for many"}, {"end": "02:23:01", "start": "02:22:57", "text": "things. We saw like some people think CO"}, {"end": "02:23:04", "start": "02:22:59", "text": "was made in a lab. Well, whether you"}, {"end": "02:23:05", "start": "02:23:01", "text": "believe it or not, it's undeniably true"}, {"end": "02:23:07", "start": "02:23:04", "text": "that people are using gain of function"}, {"end": "02:23:10", "start": "02:23:05", "text": "research to build diseases that have a"}, {"end": "02:23:11", "start": "02:23:07", "text": "50% mortality rate or 60% mortality"}, {"end": "02:23:13", "start": "02:23:10", "text": "rate. And they just blindly pretend like"}, {"end": "02:23:15", "start": "02:23:11", "text": "that it's a good idea. You've made"}, {"end": "02:23:17", "start": "02:23:13", "text": "something that if it ever got loose"}, {"end": "02:23:19", "start": "02:23:15", "text": "would kill three billion people. It's"}, {"end": "02:23:21", "start": "02:23:17", "text": "just it's so foundationally unethical,"}, {"end": "02:23:24", "start": "02:23:19", "text": "but it's exponential because it's not a"}, {"end": "02:23:26", "start": "02:23:21", "text": "billion people working on that. It's 10"}, {"end": "02:23:28", "start": "02:23:24", "text": "guys in a lab working on something that"}, {"end": "02:23:30", "start": "02:23:26", "text": "has a consequence at the scale of three"}, {"end": "02:23:31", "start": "02:23:28", "text": "billion, you know. And it's the same"}, {"end": "02:23:34", "start": "02:23:30", "text": "when you look at artificial"}, {"end": "02:23:36", "start": "02:23:31", "text": "intelligence. Is it 500 million people"}, {"end": "02:23:38", "start": "02:23:34", "text": "working all together? No. It's like"}, {"end": "02:23:40", "start": "02:23:36", "text": "OpenAI has a few thousand employees and"}, {"end": "02:23:42", "start": "02:23:38", "text": "Enthropic has a few thousand employees"}, {"end": "02:23:43", "start": "02:23:40", "text": "and Google's AI group is a few thousand"}, {"end": "02:23:46", "start": "02:23:42", "text": "people and Microsoft's a group is a few"}, {"end": "02:23:48", "start": "02:23:43", "text": "thousand people. There's 800 million"}, {"end": "02:23:51", "start": "02:23:46", "text": "users for open AI. So a few thousand"}, {"end": "02:23:54", "start": "02:23:48", "text": "people translate to a scale of 800"}, {"end": "02:23:55", "start": "02:23:51", "text": "million. So our governance systems were"}, {"end": "02:23:57", "start": "02:23:54", "text": "not designed for this and the world"}, {"end": "02:24:01", "start": "02:23:55", "text": "order was not designed for this. this"}, {"end": "02:24:04", "start": "02:23:57", "text": "idea of such a profound asymmetry. You"}, {"end": "02:24:06", "start": "02:24:01", "text": "can't have a few thousand people just do"}, {"end": "02:24:07", "start": "02:24:04", "text": "something and then somehow now that"}, {"end": "02:24:09", "start": "02:24:06", "text": "impacts a billion people. Nobody"}, {"end": "02:24:12", "start": "02:24:07", "text": "consented to that asymmetrical"}, {"end": "02:24:14", "start": "02:24:09", "text": "relationship cuz it's always easy to go"}, {"end": "02:24:16", "start": "02:24:12", "text": "Jim Jones and have a few thousand crazy"}, {"end": "02:24:19", "start": "02:24:14", "text": "people and then suddenly those few"}, {"end": "02:24:22", "start": "02:24:16", "text": "thousand crazy people get to inflict"}, {"end": "02:24:23", "start": "02:24:19", "text": "upon the world their whole philosophy"}, {"end": "02:24:26", "start": "02:24:22", "text": "and their ideas because of that"}, {"end": "02:24:28", "start": "02:24:23", "text": "consequence. We have no governing system"}, {"end": "02:24:29", "start": "02:24:26", "text": "for exponential technology. This is the"}, {"end": "02:24:31", "start": "02:24:28", "text": "blockchain is probably the only layer"}, {"end": "02:24:33", "start": "02:24:29", "text": "that can do it because it's born of"}, {"end": "02:24:35", "start": "02:24:31", "text": "that. Uh but you need a regulating"}, {"end": "02:24:37", "start": "02:24:33", "text": "system for these and and it has to be"}, {"end": "02:24:39", "start": "02:24:35", "text": "global in nature and everybody has to"}, {"end": "02:24:40", "start": "02:24:37", "text": "get along for it to work. Well, if they"}, {"end": "02:24:43", "start": "02:24:39", "text": "can't trust each other and they can't"}, {"end": "02:24:44", "start": "02:24:40", "text": "get along, how do they make a decision?"}, {"end": "02:24:45", "start": "02:24:43", "text": "You want to solve climate change or"}, {"end": "02:24:47", "start": "02:24:44", "text": "whatever. If you believe it, you don't"}, {"end": "02:24:48", "start": "02:24:45", "text": "believe it, how do you sign a treaty if"}, {"end": "02:24:50", "start": "02:24:47", "text": "China is not going to be part of it,"}, {"end": "02:24:51", "start": "02:24:48", "text": "India is not going to be part of it,"}, {"end": "02:24:53", "start": "02:24:50", "text": "Russia is not going to be part of it."}, {"end": "02:24:55", "start": "02:24:51", "text": "It's one global commons and that's one"}, {"end": "02:24:57", "start": "02:24:53", "text": "problem. But then there's another"}, {"end": "02:24:59", "start": "02:24:55", "text": "problem like AI, that's another problem."}, {"end": "02:25:00", "start": "02:24:57", "text": "Then there's synthetic biology, that's"}, {"end": "02:25:01", "start": "02:24:59", "text": "another problem. Quantum computing,"}, {"end": "02:25:03", "start": "02:25:00", "text": "that's another problem. There's all"}, {"end": "02:25:05", "start": "02:25:01", "text": "these things you can use. They're very"}, {"end": "02:25:07", "start": "02:25:03", "text": "dangerous if they're misused. Uh so"}, {"end": "02:25:10", "start": "02:25:05", "text": "global governments has to solve that as"}, {"end": "02:25:11", "start": "02:25:07", "text": "well. And um one way of doing it is"}, {"end": "02:25:13", "start": "02:25:10", "text": "create a transnational order, one world"}, {"end": "02:25:16", "start": "02:25:11", "text": "government. They run everything and they"}, {"end": "02:25:19", "start": "02:25:13", "text": "just control people in dystopian claus"}, {"end": "02:25:21", "start": "02:25:16", "text": "way. Another way is to try to"}, {"end": "02:25:23", "start": "02:25:19", "text": "decentralize and and try to push these"}, {"end": "02:25:24", "start": "02:25:21", "text": "things into the commons and and have"}, {"end": "02:25:26", "start": "02:25:23", "text": "them jointly controlled by as many"}, {"end": "02:25:27", "start": "02:25:24", "text": "people as possible because you can even"}, {"end": "02:25:29", "start": "02:25:26", "text": "for example AI. You can build a"}, {"end": "02:25:31", "start": "02:25:27", "text": "decentralized AI with blockchain. You"}, {"end": "02:25:33", "start": "02:25:29", "text": "can have the inference like Bitcoin is"}, {"end": "02:25:34", "start": "02:25:31", "text": "held up with a supercomputer, right?"}, {"end": "02:25:36", "start": "02:25:33", "text": "Well, you could build a different kind"}, {"end": "02:25:38", "start": "02:25:34", "text": "of computer with graphics cards and"}, {"end": "02:25:41", "start": "02:25:36", "text": "create a distributed computer that's"}, {"end": "02:25:43", "start": "02:25:38", "text": "more powerful than Microsoft Azure or or"}, {"end": "02:25:45", "start": "02:25:41", "text": "Amazon Web Services or any of these"}, {"end": "02:25:47", "start": "02:25:43", "text": "things, but that's not owned by a"}, {"end": "02:25:50", "start": "02:25:45", "text": "company. It's a digital commons and then"}, {"end": "02:25:51", "start": "02:25:47", "text": "you could put those rules in for the"}, {"end": "02:25:52", "start": "02:25:50", "text": "alignment of the system and the"}, {"end": "02:25:54", "start": "02:25:51", "text": "inference of the system and it's the"}, {"end": "02:25:57", "start": "02:25:52", "text": "very same rules that would guard a money"}, {"end": "02:25:58", "start": "02:25:54", "text": "system or a supply chain system or a"}, {"end": "02:26:00", "start": "02:25:57", "text": "voting system or something like that. So"}, {"end": "02:26:03", "start": "02:25:58", "text": "you could just have all that stuff in"}, {"end": "02:26:07", "start": "02:26:00", "text": "there and that's the magic of uh of what"}, {"end": "02:26:09", "start": "02:26:03", "text": "we do. Uh so it's fun because just like"}, {"end": "02:26:11", "start": "02:26:07", "text": "when I was studying Ron Paul stuff and"}, {"end": "02:26:13", "start": "02:26:09", "text": "the early days I didn't know that that"}, {"end": "02:26:15", "start": "02:26:11", "text": "knowledge base would be relevant for"}, {"end": "02:26:16", "start": "02:26:13", "text": "cryptocurrencies. I didn't realize that"}, {"end": "02:26:18", "start": "02:26:15", "text": "what we were learning in the blockchain"}, {"end": "02:26:20", "start": "02:26:16", "text": "cryptocurrency space is just as"}, {"end": "02:26:22", "start": "02:26:18", "text": "applicable for how would you regulate"}, {"end": "02:26:24", "start": "02:26:20", "text": "and control an exponential technology or"}, {"end": "02:26:25", "start": "02:26:22", "text": "create a global governance system or you"}, {"end": "02:26:27", "start": "02:26:24", "text": "know these types of things. It turns out"}, {"end": "02:26:28", "start": "02:26:25", "text": "it's an emergent property. It's"}, {"end": "02:26:31", "start": "02:26:27", "text": "something that you actually have to"}, {"end": "02:26:33", "start": "02:26:28", "text": "solve. How how is El Salvador dealing"}, {"end": "02:26:35", "start": "02:26:31", "text": "with the with the volatility of Bitcoin?"}, {"end": "02:26:36", "start": "02:26:33", "text": "Well, you know that's a red herring. You"}, {"end": "02:26:38", "start": "02:26:35", "text": "know, people, oh, it's so volatile. It's"}, {"end": "02:26:39", "start": "02:26:36", "text": "like, yeah, but gold is volatile and"}, {"end": "02:26:42", "start": "02:26:38", "text": "we've had it as a money system or a"}, {"end": "02:26:45", "start": "02:26:39", "text": "value system for 5,000 years. Volatility"}, {"end": "02:26:47", "start": "02:26:42", "text": "is not a problem. What's a problem is"}, {"end": "02:26:49", "start": "02:26:45", "text": "the lack of financial markets to deal"}, {"end": "02:26:51", "start": "02:26:47", "text": "with the volatility. You know, you"}, {"end": "02:26:53", "start": "02:26:49", "text": "always in volatility, you're going to"}, {"end": "02:26:56", "start": "02:26:51", "text": "have winners and losers. And if your"}, {"end": "02:26:58", "start": "02:26:53", "text": "preference as a merchant or a holder is"}, {"end": "02:27:02", "start": "02:26:56", "text": "stability, what you want to do is have a"}, {"end": "02:27:05", "start": "02:26:58", "text": "market that allows you to trade your"}, {"end": "02:27:07", "start": "02:27:02", "text": "upside to protect you from the downside."}, {"end": "02:27:11", "start": "02:27:05", "text": "Mhm. Okay. So I keep my buying power at"}, {"end": "02:27:13", "start": "02:27:07", "text": "this level and then you will take the"}, {"end": "02:27:15", "start": "02:27:11", "text": "upside and and accept the downside. So"}, {"end": "02:27:18", "start": "02:27:13", "text": "for example for a stock you can buy"}, {"end": "02:27:19", "start": "02:27:15", "text": "options on both sides. You buy a collar,"}, {"end": "02:27:21", "start": "02:27:18", "text": "you can have a put and you can have a"}, {"end": "02:27:23", "start": "02:27:19", "text": "call option. So if it goes to the moon"}, {"end": "02:27:25", "start": "02:27:21", "text": "you have a exit strategy uh and if it"}, {"end": "02:27:28", "start": "02:27:23", "text": "goes false you have an ex and you you"}, {"end": "02:27:30", "start": "02:27:25", "text": "stay within that bound. So your losses"}, {"end": "02:27:32", "start": "02:27:28", "text": "and gains are are basically bounded. Now"}, {"end": "02:27:33", "start": "02:27:30", "text": "there has to be a counterparty who"}, {"end": "02:27:35", "start": "02:27:32", "text": "accepts that risk and there's"}, {"end": "02:27:37", "start": "02:27:33", "text": "counterparty risk for these types of"}, {"end": "02:27:39", "start": "02:27:35", "text": "things. So really it's a question of how"}, {"end": "02:27:41", "start": "02:27:37", "text": "deep are the markets, how do you ensure"}, {"end": "02:27:43", "start": "02:27:39", "text": "things, how do you manage counterparty"}, {"end": "02:27:45", "start": "02:27:41", "text": "risks. Why cryptocurrencies had such a"}, {"end": "02:27:48", "start": "02:27:43", "text": "hard go of things is they were not born"}, {"end": "02:27:52", "start": "02:27:45", "text": "of Wall Street. So Wall Street is the"}, {"end": "02:27:53", "start": "02:27:48", "text": "ninja master of trading these things. If"}, {"end": "02:27:55", "start": "02:27:52", "text": "you have a racehorse and you give it to"}, {"end": "02:27:58", "start": "02:27:53", "text": "a Wall Street guy, he's going to take"}, {"end": "02:28:00", "start": "02:27:55", "text": "the dick, the testicles, the teeth, and"}, {"end": "02:28:01", "start": "02:27:58", "text": "turn them into structured financial"}, {"end": "02:28:03", "start": "02:28:00", "text": "products and sell it to some guy in"}, {"end": "02:28:05", "start": "02:28:01", "text": "Saudi Arabia. Okay, this is just the the"}, {"end": "02:28:07", "start": "02:28:03", "text": "thing Wall Street people do. They're"}, {"end": "02:28:10", "start": "02:28:05", "text": "they're addicted to it. It's they they"}, {"end": "02:28:12", "start": "02:28:07", "text": "just securitize and and quantify and"}, {"end": "02:28:14", "start": "02:28:10", "text": "qualify as much as you can imagine."}, {"end": "02:28:16", "start": "02:28:12", "text": "Because it wasn't born of Wall Street,"}, {"end": "02:28:18", "start": "02:28:14", "text": "there were no guys in the room who had"}, {"end": "02:28:19", "start": "02:28:16", "text": "the ability to do that or the regulatory"}, {"end": "02:28:21", "start": "02:28:18", "text": "remit to do that or markets to trade"}, {"end": "02:28:23", "start": "02:28:19", "text": "these types of things on. This is why"}, {"end": "02:28:26", "start": "02:28:21", "text": "it's so important that the trady and"}, {"end": "02:28:28", "start": "02:28:23", "text": "DeFi sides come together because they do"}, {"end": "02:28:30", "start": "02:28:26", "text": "different things. The DeFi side does the"}, {"end": "02:28:33", "start": "02:28:28", "text": "trust thing like I was just talking"}, {"end": "02:28:35", "start": "02:28:30", "text": "about. But the trfy thing does let's"}, {"end": "02:28:36", "start": "02:28:33", "text": "build markets, let's build liquidity,"}, {"end": "02:28:39", "start": "02:28:35", "text": "let's market make, let's trade risk,"}, {"end": "02:28:41", "start": "02:28:36", "text": "let's ensure, let's move capital around,"}, {"end": "02:28:43", "start": "02:28:39", "text": "let's build structure upon structure"}, {"end": "02:28:45", "start": "02:28:41", "text": "upon structure to deal with these"}, {"end": "02:28:47", "start": "02:28:43", "text": "things. And the end consequences as an"}, {"end": "02:28:49", "start": "02:28:45", "text": "interface to that marketplace, you're in"}, {"end": "02:28:51", "start": "02:28:47", "text": "the driver's seat to basically make a"}, {"end": "02:28:53", "start": "02:28:49", "text": "decision of what to do. And so you can"}, {"end": "02:28:55", "start": "02:28:51", "text": "say, \"Okay, well, I'm not really"}, {"end": "02:28:58", "start": "02:28:53", "text": "comfortable with downside risk above"}, {"end": "02:29:00", "start": "02:28:55", "text": "this amount. So if it falls this far,"}, {"end": "02:29:01", "start": "02:28:58", "text": "this other guy will take it from me and"}, {"end": "02:29:03", "start": "02:29:00", "text": "I'll make a deal with him that, you"}, {"end": "02:29:06", "start": "02:29:01", "text": "know, I pay him x amount of dollars for"}, {"end": "02:29:07", "start": "02:29:03", "text": "that downside risk.\" And uh, you know,"}, {"end": "02:29:09", "start": "02:29:06", "text": "maybe he wins, maybe he loses, but"}, {"end": "02:29:11", "start": "02:29:07", "text": "that's not my [\u00a0__\u00a0] problem. It's his"}, {"end": "02:29:14", "start": "02:29:09", "text": "problem. And then if it goes way up,"}, {"end": "02:29:16", "start": "02:29:11", "text": "great. Make good returns. Um, we do this"}, {"end": "02:29:19", "start": "02:29:14", "text": "all the time. Like um, every time you"}, {"end": "02:29:21", "start": "02:29:16", "text": "step on a plane, it's insured. And the"}, {"end": "02:29:23", "start": "02:29:19", "text": "aerospace uh you know the airline"}, {"end": "02:29:24", "start": "02:29:21", "text": "companies they buy fuel with futures"}, {"end": "02:29:26", "start": "02:29:23", "text": "contracts so they can lock in the price"}, {"end": "02:29:28", "start": "02:29:24", "text": "because they need predictability. They"}, {"end": "02:29:30", "start": "02:29:26", "text": "can't run a business if the price of jet"}, {"end": "02:29:32", "start": "02:29:28", "text": "fuel goes way up. Like what if a war"}, {"end": "02:29:34", "start": "02:29:30", "text": "breaks out like then suddenly United and"}, {"end": "02:29:36", "start": "02:29:32", "text": "Delta and all these other guys they go"}, {"end": "02:29:38", "start": "02:29:34", "text": "from profitable companies to you know in"}, {"end": "02:29:40", "start": "02:29:36", "text": "the red all the time. So they need to"}, {"end": "02:29:42", "start": "02:29:38", "text": "lock in that price of fuel for as long"}, {"end": "02:29:43", "start": "02:29:40", "text": "as they can. So that's what a futures"}, {"end": "02:29:46", "start": "02:29:42", "text": "market does. It gives you the ability to"}, {"end": "02:29:48", "start": "02:29:43", "text": "lock things in and uh and take delivery."}, {"end": "02:29:50", "start": "02:29:46", "text": "So uh these are the things that you do"}, {"end": "02:29:54", "start": "02:29:48", "text": "and you know these are the mechanisms"}, {"end": "02:29:54", "start": "02:29:50", "text": "but more broadly it's"}, {"end": "02:30:00", "start": "02:29:54", "text": "it's different boats for different"}, {"end": "02:30:02", "start": "02:29:56", "text": "floats for small businesses to midsize"}, {"end": "02:30:04", "start": "02:30:00", "text": "businesses even the big businesses what"}, {"end": "02:30:07", "start": "02:30:02", "text": "crypto is doing for them is it's giving"}, {"end": "02:30:10", "start": "02:30:04", "text": "them more markets more liquidity and"}, {"end": "02:30:11", "start": "02:30:07", "text": "more optionality on the value that they"}, {"end": "02:30:12", "start": "02:30:10", "text": "have. So, let's say you're a"}, {"end": "02:30:14", "start": "02:30:11", "text": "pharmaceutical company and you're doing"}, {"end": "02:30:16", "start": "02:30:12", "text": "drug development. You're doing some"}, {"end": "02:30:19", "start": "02:30:14", "text": "state-of-the-art amazing things, but"}, {"end": "02:30:20", "start": "02:30:16", "text": "they're not valuable yet. You have the"}, {"end": "02:30:21", "start": "02:30:19", "text": "patents, you have all these other"}, {"end": "02:30:23", "start": "02:30:20", "text": "things. So, what's your option for"}, {"end": "02:30:24", "start": "02:30:21", "text": "liquidity? Because you got payroll. You"}, {"end": "02:30:26", "start": "02:30:23", "text": "got to pay your scientists. You got to"}, {"end": "02:30:28", "start": "02:30:24", "text": "pay for the clinical trials. You got to"}, {"end": "02:30:29", "start": "02:30:26", "text": "pay for all this stuff. Now, if you get"}, {"end": "02:30:31", "start": "02:30:28", "text": "it right, you're now a multi-billion"}, {"end": "02:30:33", "start": "02:30:29", "text": "dollar company. Fizer buys you tomorrow."}, {"end": "02:30:35", "start": "02:30:31", "text": "Congratulations. But you have to wait 10"}, {"end": "02:30:36", "start": "02:30:33", "text": "years to get it right. So, you have to"}, {"end": "02:30:38", "start": "02:30:35", "text": "go to a venture capitalist and they're"}, {"end": "02:30:40", "start": "02:30:36", "text": "like, \"Yeah, all right. Well, I'll give"}, {"end": "02:30:42", "start": "02:30:38", "text": "you some money. Yeah, give me 30% of"}, {"end": "02:30:44", "start": "02:30:40", "text": "your company and uh you know this and"}, {"end": "02:30:45", "start": "02:30:42", "text": "this and this and this and you see see"}, {"end": "02:30:48", "start": "02:30:44", "text": "all of a sudden you just get like"}, {"end": "02:30:49", "start": "02:30:45", "text": "predatory userist rates and that's their"}, {"end": "02:30:52", "start": "02:30:48", "text": "lived experience. Well, what if I could"}, {"end": "02:30:55", "start": "02:30:49", "text": "tokenize my intellectual property and I"}, {"end": "02:30:57", "start": "02:30:52", "text": "could sell it almost like a micro IPO."}, {"end": "02:30:58", "start": "02:30:55", "text": "Now all of a sudden a larger group of"}, {"end": "02:31:01", "start": "02:30:57", "text": "people can participate. I get a better"}, {"end": "02:31:03", "start": "02:30:58", "text": "deal. So maybe instead of selling 30% of"}, {"end": "02:31:05", "start": "02:31:01", "text": "my company, I sell 15% of the upside on"}, {"end": "02:31:08", "start": "02:31:03", "text": "the patent portfolio or something like"}, {"end": "02:31:09", "start": "02:31:05", "text": "that. So larger market, more investors,"}, {"end": "02:31:12", "start": "02:31:08", "text": "more fair transactions. Same for micro"}, {"end": "02:31:14", "start": "02:31:09", "text": "finance. If you do like smallcale loans"}, {"end": "02:31:16", "start": "02:31:12", "text": "in Africa or other places like we do"}, {"end": "02:31:19", "start": "02:31:14", "text": "loans in Kenya, Uganda and uh some of"}, {"end": "02:31:22", "start": "02:31:16", "text": "these markets are so predatory like 85%"}, {"end": "02:31:24", "start": "02:31:19", "text": "interest for loans that are 85% 85%"}, {"end": "02:31:26", "start": "02:31:22", "text": "interest for loans that are 90 days. So"}, {"end": "02:31:29", "start": "02:31:24", "text": "you'll go and borrow like 100 bucks,"}, {"end": "02:31:32", "start": "02:31:26", "text": "have to pay 30 days, you know, 185 back."}, {"end": "02:31:34", "start": "02:31:29", "text": "It's just it's so userous. And why?"}, {"end": "02:31:35", "start": "02:31:32", "text": "because they're very thin markets and"}, {"end": "02:31:37", "start": "02:31:34", "text": "there's tons of middlemen and there's"}, {"end": "02:31:39", "start": "02:31:35", "text": "forex risk because the local currency is"}, {"end": "02:31:41", "start": "02:31:37", "text": "is always going up and down and all"}, {"end": "02:31:43", "start": "02:31:39", "text": "these other things. Well, you make it"}, {"end": "02:31:46", "start": "02:31:41", "text": "decentralized, you bring a lot of people"}, {"end": "02:31:49", "start": "02:31:43", "text": "in, then suddenly it falls from 85% to"}, {"end": "02:31:51", "start": "02:31:46", "text": "18%. And your default rates go down. You"}, {"end": "02:31:53", "start": "02:31:49", "text": "know, in those jurisdictions, the NPL"}, {"end": "02:31:55", "start": "02:31:51", "text": "rate can be the non-performing loan rate"}, {"end": "02:31:57", "start": "02:31:53", "text": "could be as high as 40%. So, we did a"}, {"end": "02:31:58", "start": "02:31:55", "text": "product that we did out there, the"}, {"end": "02:32:02", "start": "02:31:57", "text": "interest rate fell to 18% and the"}, {"end": "02:32:04", "start": "02:31:58", "text": "non-performing loan rate fell to 2%. So"}, {"end": "02:32:06", "start": "02:32:02", "text": "it was still a great return but it's"}, {"end": "02:32:09", "start": "02:32:04", "text": "life-changing for the people there. And"}, {"end": "02:32:11", "start": "02:32:06", "text": "the delta was liquidity. So basically a"}, {"end": "02:32:13", "start": "02:32:09", "text": "larger market, more eyeballs, more"}, {"end": "02:32:15", "start": "02:32:11", "text": "people that are involved in these types"}, {"end": "02:32:17", "start": "02:32:13", "text": "of things, syndication. So that's really"}, {"end": "02:32:19", "start": "02:32:15", "text": "how you solve volatility is that you"}, {"end": "02:32:21", "start": "02:32:17", "text": "create markets for it. And uh and then"}, {"end": "02:32:24", "start": "02:32:19", "text": "you say for the people on that side,"}, {"end": "02:32:25", "start": "02:32:21", "text": "it's all about I want more markets. I"}, {"end": "02:32:27", "start": "02:32:24", "text": "want more liquidity. I want more"}, {"end": "02:32:28", "start": "02:32:25", "text": "connection points, more people. And then"}, {"end": "02:32:30", "start": "02:32:27", "text": "once you have it, it's like the free"}, {"end": "02:32:32", "start": "02:32:28", "text": "market takes over. like people are going"}, {"end": "02:32:34", "start": "02:32:30", "text": "to figure it out, you know. Um certain"}, {"end": "02:32:36", "start": "02:32:32", "text": "music star that I'm associated with"}, {"end": "02:32:39", "start": "02:32:34", "text": "that, you know, shall remain nameless."}, {"end": "02:32:40", "start": "02:32:36", "text": "He bought a record label um that it was"}, {"end": "02:32:43", "start": "02:32:39", "text": "deeply personal to him because of his"}, {"end": "02:32:46", "start": "02:32:40", "text": "life history. And uh he's thinking"}, {"end": "02:32:48", "start": "02:32:43", "text": "around how do he tokenized intellectual"}, {"end": "02:32:50", "start": "02:32:46", "text": "property there, all of the IP behind"}, {"end": "02:32:52", "start": "02:32:48", "text": "those records because like it's really"}, {"end": "02:32:54", "start": "02:32:50", "text": "hard in practice to get liquidity on"}, {"end": "02:32:56", "start": "02:32:52", "text": "music IP. you have like five or six big"}, {"end": "02:32:58", "start": "02:32:54", "text": "companies that control all the IP and"}, {"end": "02:33:00", "start": "02:32:56", "text": "they're like cartels and they set the"}, {"end": "02:33:02", "start": "02:32:58", "text": "market so they set the prices. But what"}, {"end": "02:33:04", "start": "02:33:00", "text": "if you can just go like sell part of it"}, {"end": "02:33:06", "start": "02:33:02", "text": "to your fans? They like you. You have a"}, {"end": "02:33:08", "start": "02:33:04", "text": "direct relationship with them. Maybe you"}, {"end": "02:33:11", "start": "02:33:06", "text": "get like a five or 10x over that. It's"}, {"end": "02:33:13", "start": "02:33:08", "text": "like an IPO of you as a person. And the"}, {"end": "02:33:14", "start": "02:33:11", "text": "minute you do that, that cartel breaks"}, {"end": "02:33:15", "start": "02:33:13", "text": "up. Those middlemen get"}, {"end": "02:33:17", "start": "02:33:14", "text": "disintermediated. And then every other"}, {"end": "02:33:18", "start": "02:33:15", "text": "artist can do that. You know, Taylor"}, {"end": "02:33:20", "start": "02:33:17", "text": "Swift can do it or, you know, Country"}, {"end": "02:33:22", "start": "02:33:18", "text": "Star can do it. You know, Gar Brooks can"}, {"end": "02:33:24", "start": "02:33:20", "text": "sell his IP or whatever. You see? So the"}, {"end": "02:33:27", "start": "02:33:22", "text": "artist now can monetize the direct"}, {"end": "02:33:30", "start": "02:33:24", "text": "relationship that they have with it. The"}, {"end": "02:33:32", "start": "02:33:27", "text": "exact same concept as running a smart"}, {"end": "02:33:34", "start": "02:33:30", "text": "contract on Cardano or the exact same"}, {"end": "02:33:36", "start": "02:33:32", "text": "concept as running an election. It's the"}, {"end": "02:33:37", "start": "02:33:34", "text": "same infrastructure. That's why the"}, {"end": "02:33:39", "start": "02:33:36", "text": "tokens are so valuable because they're"}, {"end": "02:33:42", "start": "02:33:37", "text": "universal. They're like a financial stem"}, {"end": "02:33:45", "start": "02:33:39", "text": "cell. They can become a heart cell or a"}, {"end": "02:33:47", "start": "02:33:42", "text": "brain cell or a kidney cell or they can"}, {"end": "02:33:50", "start": "02:33:45", "text": "become a commodity or a security or"}, {"end": "02:33:52", "start": "02:33:47", "text": "intellectual property or an NFT or you"}, {"end": "02:33:53", "start": "02:33:50", "text": "know a game token or something like"}, {"end": "02:33:55", "start": "02:33:52", "text": "that. It's the exact same thing. It's"}, {"end": "02:33:58", "start": "02:33:53", "text": "the exact same concept."}, {"end": "02:34:01", "start": "02:33:55", "text": "How was it co-founding Ethereum? That"}, {"end": "02:34:02", "start": "02:33:58", "text": "one was tough. You know, people ask me"}, {"end": "02:34:04", "start": "02:34:01", "text": "all the time because I I run a venture"}, {"end": "02:34:07", "start": "02:34:02", "text": "capital firm and um I advise young"}, {"end": "02:34:08", "start": "02:34:04", "text": "entrepreneurs all the time and I say"}, {"end": "02:34:11", "start": "02:34:07", "text": "there's three rules that I got out of"}, {"end": "02:34:13", "start": "02:34:08", "text": "Ethereum. First off, you can't have"}, {"end": "02:34:16", "start": "02:34:11", "text": "eight founders. There were eight"}, {"end": "02:34:17", "start": "02:34:13", "text": "founders with Ethereum, you know, all"}, {"end": "02:34:20", "start": "02:34:16", "text": "from different wicks of life. We have a"}, {"end": "02:34:22", "start": "02:34:17", "text": "Romanian guy, an Israeli guy, a Canadian"}, {"end": "02:34:25", "start": "02:34:20", "text": "guy who Wall Street guy who was also"}, {"end": "02:34:27", "start": "02:34:22", "text": "Canadian but also lived in Jamaica. Uh"}, {"end": "02:34:29", "start": "02:34:25", "text": "Vitalik obviously is a Russian guy, and"}, {"end": "02:34:32", "start": "02:34:27", "text": "there's me, the Colorado, Wyoming Hawaii"}, {"end": "02:34:34", "start": "02:34:29", "text": "boy, right? And there's others. And and"}, {"end": "02:34:35", "start": "02:34:32", "text": "we all had radically different ideas and"}, {"end": "02:34:37", "start": "02:34:34", "text": "philosophies, and we were unified on"}, {"end": "02:34:38", "start": "02:34:35", "text": "this idea that we wanted programmability"}, {"end": "02:34:40", "start": "02:34:37", "text": "with a blockchain. It's kind of like"}, {"end": "02:34:42", "start": "02:34:38", "text": "when JavaScript came to the web browser."}, {"end": "02:34:44", "start": "02:34:40", "text": "Before that happened, you just had"}, {"end": "02:34:45", "start": "02:34:42", "text": "pretty pictures and pretty websites. But"}, {"end": "02:34:46", "start": "02:34:44", "text": "when JavaScript came, you had"}, {"end": "02:34:48", "start": "02:34:45", "text": "programmability. So then you have"}, {"end": "02:34:50", "start": "02:34:46", "text": "Facebook and and Amazon and YouTube and"}, {"end": "02:34:52", "start": "02:34:48", "text": "these things. You can build beautiful,"}, {"end": "02:34:54", "start": "02:34:50", "text": "rich experiences. Well, Bitcoin has no"}, {"end": "02:34:56", "start": "02:34:52", "text": "programmability until recently. So what"}, {"end": "02:34:57", "start": "02:34:54", "text": "does that mean? It's like you just move"}, {"end": "02:34:59", "start": "02:34:56", "text": "bitcoins around. That's all you can do."}, {"end": "02:35:01", "start": "02:34:57", "text": "It's a very simple network. But then"}, {"end": "02:35:02", "start": "02:34:59", "text": "when you have programmability, you have"}, {"end": "02:35:04", "start": "02:35:01", "text": "a programming language. So you can just"}, {"end": "02:35:06", "start": "02:35:02", "text": "do anything you want. You can create"}, {"end": "02:35:07", "start": "02:35:04", "text": "decentralized exchanges and voting"}, {"end": "02:35:10", "start": "02:35:06", "text": "systems and all these other things. So"}, {"end": "02:35:11", "start": "02:35:07", "text": "we all said this is a really good idea."}, {"end": "02:35:14", "start": "02:35:10", "text": "So that was the first level of"}, {"end": "02:35:16", "start": "02:35:11", "text": "agreement. But then as we started it, as"}, {"end": "02:35:17", "start": "02:35:14", "text": "the months went on, we had radically"}, {"end": "02:35:21", "start": "02:35:16", "text": "different visions of what would make"}, {"end": "02:35:22", "start": "02:35:17", "text": "that idea safe, effective, governable"}, {"end": "02:35:24", "start": "02:35:21", "text": "and scalable and all these other"}, {"end": "02:35:27", "start": "02:35:22", "text": "characteristics and then naturally it"}, {"end": "02:35:29", "start": "02:35:24", "text": "drifted and so uh you know Vitalik was"}, {"end": "02:35:30", "start": "02:35:27", "text": "the primary founder. He came up with the"}, {"end": "02:35:32", "start": "02:35:29", "text": "initial idea. So ultimately he had to"}, {"end": "02:35:34", "start": "02:35:30", "text": "make a decision like do we call it the"}, {"end": "02:35:36", "start": "02:35:32", "text": "crypto Google or crypto mozzilla"}, {"end": "02:35:39", "start": "02:35:34", "text": "decision. So the crypto Google is like"}, {"end": "02:35:42", "start": "02:35:36", "text": "be a for-profit entity that builds not"}, {"end": "02:35:44", "start": "02:35:39", "text": "for-p profofit the open source stuff"}, {"end": "02:35:45", "start": "02:35:42", "text": "that you give away. Google does Dart and"}, {"end": "02:35:47", "start": "02:35:44", "text": "Go and all this other but it's"}, {"end": "02:35:49", "start": "02:35:45", "text": "for-profit company with equity and"}, {"end": "02:35:51", "start": "02:35:47", "text": "founders and these types of things or"}, {"end": "02:35:52", "start": "02:35:49", "text": "Mozilla it's like a not for-p profofit."}, {"end": "02:35:54", "start": "02:35:51", "text": "It's like a foundation you know there's"}, {"end": "02:35:56", "start": "02:35:52", "text": "no owners there's no shareholders. So"}, {"end": "02:35:58", "start": "02:35:54", "text": "Vitalik chose the not for-p profofit"}, {"end": "02:36:00", "start": "02:35:56", "text": "route and then all the people that"}, {"end": "02:36:01", "start": "02:35:58", "text": "wanted to go the for-profit route they"}, {"end": "02:36:03", "start": "02:36:00", "text": "kind of got pushed out. So Joe Luben got"}, {"end": "02:36:06", "start": "02:36:01", "text": "pushed out and created consensus and air"}, {"end": "02:36:08", "start": "02:36:03", "text": "treat got pushed out and uh Anthony"}, {"end": "02:36:09", "start": "02:36:06", "text": "Dioro got pushed out and created his own"}, {"end": "02:36:11", "start": "02:36:08", "text": "company called the central. I got pushed"}, {"end": "02:36:13", "start": "02:36:09", "text": "out and I created input output and then"}, {"end": "02:36:15", "start": "02:36:11", "text": "the technology people were all that were"}, {"end": "02:36:16", "start": "02:36:13", "text": "left and but then he learned that it's"}, {"end": "02:36:19", "start": "02:36:15", "text": "even amongst technology people very hard"}, {"end": "02:36:21", "start": "02:36:16", "text": "to get them to agree. So, uh, Gavin"}, {"end": "02:36:23", "start": "02:36:19", "text": "Wood, who was like the CTO of Ethereum,"}, {"end": "02:36:25", "start": "02:36:21", "text": "he left and created his own competing"}, {"end": "02:36:27", "start": "02:36:23", "text": "product called Polka Dot and did his"}, {"end": "02:36:29", "start": "02:36:25", "text": "thing. And so, like there's only one"}, {"end": "02:36:31", "start": "02:36:27", "text": "founder left out of the It's Vitalic."}, {"end": "02:36:34", "start": "02:36:29", "text": "He's done a good job. It's gone from"}, {"end": "02:36:36", "start": "02:36:31", "text": "nothing to a $300 billion ecosystem and,"}, {"end": "02:36:37", "start": "02:36:34", "text": "you know, millions and millions of users"}, {"end": "02:36:39", "start": "02:36:36", "text": "and a lot of good things. And, you know,"}, {"end": "02:36:41", "start": "02:36:37", "text": "they really enjoy their first mover"}, {"end": "02:36:43", "start": "02:36:39", "text": "advantage and they solve hard problems."}, {"end": "02:36:45", "start": "02:36:41", "text": "And, uh, Gavin did a good job with Polka"}, {"end": "02:36:48", "start": "02:36:43", "text": "Dot. We did Cardano. It's 20 billion"}, {"end": "02:36:49", "start": "02:36:45", "text": "dollar ecosystem, millions of people. So"}, {"end": "02:36:51", "start": "02:36:48", "text": "you find that in business and in life,"}, {"end": "02:36:54", "start": "02:36:49", "text": "but you you can't get into a business"}, {"end": "02:36:56", "start": "02:36:51", "text": "relationship if there is not a"}, {"end": "02:36:57", "start": "02:36:54", "text": "philosophical agreement on where to go"}, {"end": "02:36:59", "start": "02:36:56", "text": "and what to do. You can't get into a"}, {"end": "02:37:00", "start": "02:36:57", "text": "business relationship if there's too"}, {"end": "02:37:02", "start": "02:36:59", "text": "many decision makers. You can't have"}, {"end": "02:37:04", "start": "02:37:00", "text": "eight commanding officers. You have to"}, {"end": "02:37:05", "start": "02:37:02", "text": "have a chain of command and you have to"}, {"end": "02:37:06", "start": "02:37:04", "text": "have a clear way of sorting that out."}, {"end": "02:37:08", "start": "02:37:05", "text": "And third, you have to have good"}, {"end": "02:37:11", "start": "02:37:06", "text": "founders agreements because people have"}, {"end": "02:37:14", "start": "02:37:08", "text": "a shelf life in businesses. And some"}, {"end": "02:37:15", "start": "02:37:11", "text": "people are exceptional as early founders"}, {"end": "02:37:18", "start": "02:37:14", "text": "and they're really good to do the first"}, {"end": "02:37:20", "start": "02:37:15", "text": "6 months to a year, but then you outgrow"}, {"end": "02:37:21", "start": "02:37:18", "text": "them. And other people are exceptional"}, {"end": "02:37:24", "start": "02:37:20", "text": "for when you're scaling and you're"}, {"end": "02:37:26", "start": "02:37:21", "text": "growing from 300 people to 300,000"}, {"end": "02:37:28", "start": "02:37:24", "text": "people. And some people are really good"}, {"end": "02:37:29", "start": "02:37:26", "text": "along the whole journey. So a great"}, {"end": "02:37:31", "start": "02:37:28", "text": "example would be Larry Page. He was in"}, {"end": "02:37:33", "start": "02:37:29", "text": "and out and in and out. So Larry Page"}, {"end": "02:37:34", "start": "02:37:31", "text": "started Google with Sergey Brenn. And"}, {"end": "02:37:36", "start": "02:37:33", "text": "when they got to around 300 people,"}, {"end": "02:37:37", "start": "02:37:34", "text": "they're like, \"Larry needs adult"}, {"end": "02:37:40", "start": "02:37:36", "text": "supervision.\" So they brought in Eric"}, {"end": "02:37:42", "start": "02:37:37", "text": "Schmidt and he grew Google from a 300"}, {"end": "02:37:44", "start": "02:37:40", "text": "person company and took over the CEO"}, {"end": "02:37:47", "start": "02:37:42", "text": "role to a 28,000 person company and made"}, {"end": "02:37:48", "start": "02:37:44", "text": "Google the Google it is today. Me Larry"}, {"end": "02:37:50", "start": "02:37:47", "text": "wasn't sitting on his thumbs, you know,"}, {"end": "02:37:52", "start": "02:37:48", "text": "he was still around. He was learning. He"}, {"end": "02:37:53", "start": "02:37:50", "text": "was growing as a person. And he took his"}, {"end": "02:37:56", "start": "02:37:52", "text": "company back. They pushed out Eric Smith"}, {"end": "02:37:57", "start": "02:37:53", "text": "and came back in as the CEO and ran the"}, {"end": "02:38:00", "start": "02:37:56", "text": "company again. And then eventually he's"}, {"end": "02:38:02", "start": "02:37:57", "text": "like, you know, I want to do big things."}, {"end": "02:38:05", "start": "02:38:00", "text": "So he restructured Google and created"}, {"end": "02:38:06", "start": "02:38:02", "text": "Alphabet. And Alphabet's this portfolio"}, {"end": "02:38:09", "start": "02:38:05", "text": "of all these cool interesting things"}, {"end": "02:38:11", "start": "02:38:06", "text": "like anti-aging and genomic stuff with"}, {"end": "02:38:12", "start": "02:38:09", "text": "Calico and it's got Google in the"}, {"end": "02:38:14", "start": "02:38:11", "text": "portfolio and all this other stuff. And"}, {"end": "02:38:16", "start": "02:38:12", "text": "they now have a professional CEO at"}, {"end": "02:38:18", "start": "02:38:14", "text": "Google, Sandra Pai. So that's the nature"}, {"end": "02:38:20", "start": "02:38:16", "text": "of things. You have to know yourself and"}, {"end": "02:38:22", "start": "02:38:18", "text": "you have to know that. And Ethereum was"}, {"end": "02:38:24", "start": "02:38:20", "text": "very stressful because I don't we were"}, {"end": "02:38:28", "start": "02:38:22", "text": "all very young. I think I was 25 or 26"}, {"end": "02:38:29", "start": "02:38:24", "text": "at the time and we knew we had a winner."}, {"end": "02:38:32", "start": "02:38:28", "text": "You know, you just you look at it and"}, {"end": "02:38:33", "start": "02:38:29", "text": "you say, \"This is going to be big. It's"}, {"end": "02:38:35", "start": "02:38:32", "text": "going to be a massive thing. We're this"}, {"end": "02:38:36", "start": "02:38:33", "text": "is going to make so much money and it's"}, {"end": "02:38:39", "start": "02:38:35", "text": "going to change everything and it's"}, {"end": "02:38:41", "start": "02:38:36", "text": "going to change the paradigm.\" But we"}, {"end": "02:38:43", "start": "02:38:39", "text": "didn't know what to do with that. It's"}, {"end": "02:38:44", "start": "02:38:41", "text": "like discovering alien technology or"}, {"end": "02:38:46", "start": "02:38:43", "text": "something. It's like it's a big deal,"}, {"end": "02:38:47", "start": "02:38:44", "text": "but like what the [\u00a0__\u00a0] do those runes"}, {"end": "02:38:49", "start": "02:38:46", "text": "mean? You know, what the hell does this"}, {"end": "02:38:51", "start": "02:38:47", "text": "thing look like? You know, it's it's"}, {"end": "02:38:53", "start": "02:38:49", "text": "crazy. So, we did our best to interpret"}, {"end": "02:38:55", "start": "02:38:51", "text": "the alien runes and the alien"}, {"end": "02:38:57", "start": "02:38:53", "text": "technology. And uh I was kicked out"}, {"end": "02:38:59", "start": "02:38:55", "text": "early and for the best for me and best"}, {"end": "02:39:00", "start": "02:38:57", "text": "for them. And other people were able to"}, {"end": "02:39:02", "start": "02:38:59", "text": "ride a little longer on the bull, but"}, {"end": "02:39:03", "start": "02:39:00", "text": "they got knocked off too. And now"}, {"end": "02:39:05", "start": "02:39:02", "text": "there's just one guy left and you know,"}, {"end": "02:39:09", "start": "02:39:03", "text": "he's kind of doing his thing. What is"}, {"end": "02:39:11", "start": "02:39:05", "text": "the concept of Ethereum? Oh, it's it's"}, {"end": "02:39:13", "start": "02:39:09", "text": "like JavaScript to the web browser. So"}, {"end": "02:39:16", "start": "02:39:11", "text": "it's just like Bitcoin in that it's a"}, {"end": "02:39:17", "start": "02:39:13", "text": "blockchain and it has transactions and"}, {"end": "02:39:19", "start": "02:39:16", "text": "assets. The difference is the"}, {"end": "02:39:21", "start": "02:39:17", "text": "transactions are programmable. So you"}, {"end": "02:39:23", "start": "02:39:19", "text": "have a programming language. you can"}, {"end": "02:39:25", "start": "02:39:21", "text": "encode into the transactions any terms"}, {"end": "02:39:27", "start": "02:39:23", "text": "and conditions you want. Okay? So you"}, {"end": "02:39:28", "start": "02:39:25", "text": "can turn them into a voting system or"}, {"end": "02:39:30", "start": "02:39:27", "text": "this thing or that thing. So it really"}, {"end": "02:39:32", "start": "02:39:28", "text": "becomes that financial stem cell. So"}, {"end": "02:39:33", "start": "02:39:30", "text": "it's the next generation. I usually term"}, {"end": "02:39:34", "start": "02:39:32", "text": "cryptocurrencies in terms of"}, {"end": "02:39:37", "start": "02:39:33", "text": "generations. And so the first generation"}, {"end": "02:39:39", "start": "02:39:34", "text": "was Bitcoin. And usually that's the"}, {"end": "02:39:41", "start": "02:39:37", "text": "problem you're trying to solve. So the"}, {"end": "02:39:43", "start": "02:39:39", "text": "Bitcoin, it was decentralization. There"}, {"end": "02:39:46", "start": "02:39:41", "text": "were money systems online before"}, {"end": "02:39:48", "start": "02:39:43", "text": "Bitcoin, but they always relied on a"}, {"end": "02:39:50", "start": "02:39:46", "text": "central authority. So there was some guy"}, {"end": "02:39:52", "start": "02:39:48", "text": "that had the vouch for the ledger and"}, {"end": "02:39:54", "start": "02:39:50", "text": "say this is a ledger like digicash David"}, {"end": "02:39:56", "start": "02:39:52", "text": "Ch's business in the 90s is an example"}, {"end": "02:39:58", "start": "02:39:54", "text": "of that. Then Bitcoin comes around. You"}, {"end": "02:40:02", "start": "02:39:56", "text": "don't need a single entity. You have a"}, {"end": "02:40:04", "start": "02:39:58", "text": "decentralized ledger but it's simple. It"}, {"end": "02:40:06", "start": "02:40:02", "text": "just has Bitcoin. You just push bitcoins"}, {"end": "02:40:08", "start": "02:40:04", "text": "around. You can't do pull payments. You"}, {"end": "02:40:10", "start": "02:40:06", "text": "you can't do programmable things with"}, {"end": "02:40:12", "start": "02:40:08", "text": "it. Uh you know you can't issue assets."}, {"end": "02:40:15", "start": "02:40:10", "text": "It's there's only Bitcoin. It's just"}, {"end": "02:40:16", "start": "02:40:12", "text": "Bitcoin. Then Ethereum comes around the"}, {"end": "02:40:18", "start": "02:40:15", "text": "second generation. The problem you're"}, {"end": "02:40:20", "start": "02:40:16", "text": "trying to solve there is generality. You"}, {"end": "02:40:23", "start": "02:40:18", "text": "want to go from just a single asset"}, {"end": "02:40:25", "start": "02:40:20", "text": "ledger that's fixed function to a"}, {"end": "02:40:27", "start": "02:40:23", "text": "multi-asset ledger. So you can issue"}, {"end": "02:40:28", "start": "02:40:25", "text": "your own tokens, your own things in that"}, {"end": "02:40:29", "start": "02:40:27", "text": "same infrastructure and they're"}, {"end": "02:40:31", "start": "02:40:28", "text": "programmable. So you can do whatever you"}, {"end": "02:40:33", "start": "02:40:29", "text": "want with them. And that was a huge"}, {"end": "02:40:35", "start": "02:40:31", "text": "revolution when it came out. Oh my god."}, {"end": "02:40:37", "start": "02:40:33", "text": "Like cryptocurrencies aren't just a"}, {"end": "02:40:39", "start": "02:40:35", "text": "speculative asset. They're not just like"}, {"end": "02:40:41", "start": "02:40:37", "text": "a value holder. Like this is a social"}, {"end": "02:40:42", "start": "02:40:39", "text": "system. I can do economics as a"}, {"end": "02:40:45", "start": "02:40:41", "text": "political system. The challenge of that"}, {"end": "02:40:47", "start": "02:40:42", "text": "generation is that it doesn't scale."}, {"end": "02:40:49", "start": "02:40:45", "text": "It's not interoperable. That Wi-Fi"}, {"end": "02:40:52", "start": "02:40:47", "text": "moment, it doesn't talk to other stuff."}, {"end": "02:40:54", "start": "02:40:49", "text": "And also, you can't govern it. You know,"}, {"end": "02:40:55", "start": "02:40:52", "text": "you how do you upgrade it? It's very"}, {"end": "02:40:57", "start": "02:40:54", "text": "complicated. So, you have to always be"}, {"end": "02:40:59", "start": "02:40:55", "text": "tinkering and tuning and [\u00a0__\u00a0] with"}, {"end": "02:41:01", "start": "02:40:57", "text": "it. And we as consumers, we're used to"}, {"end": "02:41:04", "start": "02:40:59", "text": "custodians behind things. So, like uh"}, {"end": "02:41:06", "start": "02:41:01", "text": "Apple to the iPhone or Microsoft to"}, {"end": "02:41:07", "start": "02:41:04", "text": "Windows. So, you always think like who's"}, {"end": "02:41:09", "start": "02:41:06", "text": "going to be accountable for the next"}, {"end": "02:41:10", "start": "02:41:07", "text": "version of Windows and all the features?"}, {"end": "02:41:11", "start": "02:41:09", "text": "Well, Microsoft will do that. Who's"}, {"end": "02:41:13", "start": "02:41:10", "text": "going to build the next iPhone? Well,"}, {"end": "02:41:16", "start": "02:41:11", "text": "Apple will figure that out. Who's going"}, {"end": "02:41:17", "start": "02:41:13", "text": "to build the next version of Ethereum?"}, {"end": "02:41:19", "start": "02:41:16", "text": "Ethereum Foundation. Well, that doesn't"}, {"end": "02:41:21", "start": "02:41:17", "text": "sound very decentralized, now does it?"}, {"end": "02:41:23", "start": "02:41:19", "text": "If one group of guys get to decide like"}, {"end": "02:41:25", "start": "02:41:21", "text": "how everything is going to go for this"}, {"end": "02:41:28", "start": "02:41:23", "text": "thing that's decentralized. Okay. Well,"}, {"end": "02:41:30", "start": "02:41:25", "text": "if not, then then who? How do you build"}, {"end": "02:41:31", "start": "02:41:28", "text": "a decentralized product function? How do"}, {"end": "02:41:33", "start": "02:41:30", "text": "you build a decentralized upgrade"}, {"end": "02:41:36", "start": "02:41:31", "text": "function? So, these problems became"}, {"end": "02:41:38", "start": "02:41:33", "text": "apparent around 2016, 2015, that time"}, {"end": "02:41:40", "start": "02:41:36", "text": "frame. And we're like, we need a new"}, {"end": "02:41:42", "start": "02:41:38", "text": "generation. We need fundamentally"}, {"end": "02:41:45", "start": "02:41:40", "text": "different technology for upgradability,"}, {"end": "02:41:46", "start": "02:41:42", "text": "interoperability, and also scalability."}, {"end": "02:41:49", "start": "02:41:45", "text": "The scalability thing is very bad in"}, {"end": "02:41:51", "start": "02:41:46", "text": "cryptocurrencies. It's one of those cake"}, {"end": "02:41:52", "start": "02:41:49", "text": "and eat it too things. So inclusive"}, {"end": "02:41:56", "start": "02:41:51", "text": "accountability, we mentioned with voting"}, {"end": "02:41:58", "start": "02:41:52", "text": "earlier, that is awesome but super"}, {"end": "02:42:00", "start": "02:41:56", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] expensive. If your requirement"}, {"end": "02:42:03", "start": "02:41:58", "text": "is that you have a full node that you're"}, {"end": "02:42:05", "start": "02:42:00", "text": "able to self-verify every single thing"}, {"end": "02:42:07", "start": "02:42:03", "text": "in the system, that only works as long"}, {"end": "02:42:10", "start": "02:42:05", "text": "as the set of things that you have to go"}, {"end": "02:42:12", "start": "02:42:07", "text": "through to verify is capped. Cuz like"}, {"end": "02:42:15", "start": "02:42:10", "text": "could you imagine trying to verify the"}, {"end": "02:42:17", "start": "02:42:12", "text": "state of the Google Plex? That's like"}, {"end": "02:42:19", "start": "02:42:15", "text": "millions of computers running Google's"}, {"end": "02:42:21", "start": "02:42:17", "text": "backend with billions of users and"}, {"end": "02:42:24", "start": "02:42:19", "text": "yodabytes of data in that system. How"}, {"end": "02:42:26", "start": "02:42:21", "text": "could you personally do that on your"}, {"end": "02:42:28", "start": "02:42:24", "text": "home computer? It's not possible. So"}, {"end": "02:42:30", "start": "02:42:26", "text": "obviously that's not a system that seems"}, {"end": "02:42:33", "start": "02:42:28", "text": "to be amendable to inclusive"}, {"end": "02:42:35", "start": "02:42:30", "text": "accountability natively. So the problem"}, {"end": "02:42:38", "start": "02:42:33", "text": "is that the way blockchains work with"}, {"end": "02:42:41", "start": "02:42:35", "text": "that property they're replicated. They"}, {"end": "02:42:43", "start": "02:42:38", "text": "have like a a limitation of how much"}, {"end": "02:42:45", "start": "02:42:41", "text": "they can scale to, how many people can"}, {"end": "02:42:46", "start": "02:42:43", "text": "use it concurrently, how much data can"}, {"end": "02:42:49", "start": "02:42:45", "text": "be inside the system, how many"}, {"end": "02:42:51", "start": "02:42:46", "text": "transactions the system can process. You"}, {"end": "02:42:53", "start": "02:42:49", "text": "want it instead to be a system that as"}, {"end": "02:42:55", "start": "02:42:51", "text": "people join the system, they add"}, {"end": "02:42:57", "start": "02:42:53", "text": "resources to the system. So you never"}, {"end": "02:42:58", "start": "02:42:55", "text": "run out of resources like a potluck. You"}, {"end": "02:43:00", "start": "02:42:57", "text": "know, instead of a dinner where you show"}, {"end": "02:43:01", "start": "02:42:58", "text": "up and there's a fixed amount of food,"}, {"end": "02:43:04", "start": "02:43:00", "text": "if a potluck, everybody shows up with"}, {"end": "02:43:06", "start": "02:43:01", "text": "food. So no matter how many guests you"}, {"end": "02:43:08", "start": "02:43:04", "text": "have, your set of food grows. And so if"}, {"end": "02:43:09", "start": "02:43:06", "text": "it's a good potluck, it should grow with"}, {"end": "02:43:11", "start": "02:43:08", "text": "the guests. So you never run out of"}, {"end": "02:43:13", "start": "02:43:09", "text": "food. You always have enough food to"}, {"end": "02:43:14", "start": "02:43:11", "text": "feed everybody inside that situation. So"}, {"end": "02:43:16", "start": "02:43:13", "text": "there are protocols that do this that"}, {"end": "02:43:18", "start": "02:43:14", "text": "are scalable by design. Like Bit Torrent"}, {"end": "02:43:19", "start": "02:43:16", "text": "is a great example of that. So, you"}, {"end": "02:43:21", "start": "02:43:18", "text": "know, more people that are downloading a"}, {"end": "02:43:23", "start": "02:43:19", "text": "video, paradoxically, the faster the"}, {"end": "02:43:26", "start": "02:43:21", "text": "download happens because those people"}, {"end": "02:43:28", "start": "02:43:23", "text": "share and download at the same time. So,"}, {"end": "02:43:29", "start": "02:43:26", "text": "if it's an unpopular thing like, I don't"}, {"end": "02:43:31", "start": "02:43:28", "text": "know, PeeWee's Playhouse or some [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "02:43:33", "start": "02:43:29", "text": "like that, nobody's watching it. It"}, {"end": "02:43:35", "start": "02:43:31", "text": "takes a really long time to download. If"}, {"end": "02:43:36", "start": "02:43:33", "text": "it's Game of Thrones or something like"}, {"end": "02:43:39", "start": "02:43:35", "text": "especially the early seasons that were"}, {"end": "02:43:40", "start": "02:43:36", "text": "good, then you get that quickly, you"}, {"end": "02:43:41", "start": "02:43:39", "text": "know, and because a lot of people are"}, {"end": "02:43:43", "start": "02:43:40", "text": "downloading. So, you like your"}, {"end": "02:43:45", "start": "02:43:41", "text": "cryptocurrency protocol to be the same"}, {"end": "02:43:47", "start": "02:43:43", "text": "way. If I have a million users, it's"}, {"end": "02:43:48", "start": "02:43:45", "text": "fast. If I have 10 million users, it's"}, {"end": "02:43:50", "start": "02:43:47", "text": "blazingly fast. If I have a 100 million"}, {"end": "02:43:51", "start": "02:43:48", "text": "users, it's one of the fastest things on"}, {"end": "02:43:53", "start": "02:43:50", "text": "the planet because they produce more"}, {"end": "02:43:55", "start": "02:43:51", "text": "than they consume. Ethereum doesn't do"}, {"end": "02:43:57", "start": "02:43:53", "text": "that. Um, and they're trying to figure"}, {"end": "02:43:58", "start": "02:43:55", "text": "out ways to do that to upgrade to the"}, {"end": "02:44:01", "start": "02:43:57", "text": "next generation. So, the third"}, {"end": "02:44:02", "start": "02:43:58", "text": "generation does that scalability,"}, {"end": "02:44:03", "start": "02:44:01", "text": "interoperability, and governance. And"}, {"end": "02:44:04", "start": "02:44:02", "text": "they have those things. And they're"}, {"end": "02:44:06", "start": "02:44:03", "text": "actually creating a fourth generation"}, {"end": "02:44:08", "start": "02:44:04", "text": "now because, you know, there's not"}, {"end": "02:44:09", "start": "02:44:06", "text": "enough work to do, right? And the fourth"}, {"end": "02:44:11", "start": "02:44:08", "text": "generation is the regulated side of the"}, {"end": "02:44:13", "start": "02:44:09", "text": "world. So how do you get identity back"}, {"end": "02:44:14", "start": "02:44:11", "text": "in and how do you get privacy and and"}, {"end": "02:44:17", "start": "02:44:13", "text": "these things because blockchains are"}, {"end": "02:44:19", "start": "02:44:14", "text": "public so everything in them everybody"}, {"end": "02:44:21", "start": "02:44:17", "text": "can see that's great for land records"}, {"end": "02:44:23", "start": "02:44:19", "text": "and you know that's great for open"}, {"end": "02:44:25", "start": "02:44:21", "text": "financial systems but maybe just maybe"}, {"end": "02:44:27", "start": "02:44:23", "text": "our search history and what we bought on"}, {"end": "02:44:30", "start": "02:44:25", "text": "Amazon and maybe like where we spend our"}, {"end": "02:44:31", "start": "02:44:27", "text": "money is probably not should be public"}, {"end": "02:44:33", "start": "02:44:30", "text": "we should keep that private so how do"}, {"end": "02:44:35", "start": "02:44:31", "text": "you add privacy back in but preserve"}, {"end": "02:44:38", "start": "02:44:33", "text": "those properties that it has"}, {"end": "02:44:39", "start": "02:44:35", "text": "immutability and auditability and uh and"}, {"end": "02:44:41", "start": "02:44:38", "text": "so forth"}, {"end": "02:44:43", "start": "02:44:39", "text": "And so that's where the zero knowledge"}, {"end": "02:44:45", "start": "02:44:41", "text": "proofs come in. They they have to come"}, {"end": "02:44:47", "start": "02:44:43", "text": "in. So the third generation is nearly"}, {"end": "02:44:49", "start": "02:44:45", "text": "over. We have scalable protocols."}, {"end": "02:44:52", "start": "02:44:47", "text": "Interoperability is getting sorted out."}, {"end": "02:44:54", "start": "02:44:49", "text": "Um and governance. That's all the voting"}, {"end": "02:44:55", "start": "02:44:52", "text": "stuff we were talking about. And now"}, {"end": "02:44:57", "start": "02:44:54", "text": "we're in that fourth generation. We're"}, {"end": "02:44:59", "start": "02:44:55", "text": "starting to flirt with that. And that's"}, {"end": "02:45:01", "start": "02:44:57", "text": "the next wave of cryptocurrencies that"}, {"end": "02:45:03", "start": "02:44:59", "text": "have privacy and identity. And that"}, {"end": "02:45:05", "start": "02:45:01", "text": "brings the banking industry in and Wall"}, {"end": "02:45:07", "start": "02:45:03", "text": "Street in and regulators in and"}, {"end": "02:45:08", "start": "02:45:05", "text": "governments in. And what's great is they"}, {"end": "02:45:11", "start": "02:45:07", "text": "always include the features of the prior"}, {"end": "02:45:14", "start": "02:45:08", "text": "generations. So Ethereum has a"}, {"end": "02:45:15", "start": "02:45:11", "text": "blockchain like Bitcoin does. And a"}, {"end": "02:45:18", "start": "02:45:14", "text": "third generation thing has everything"}, {"end": "02:45:19", "start": "02:45:15", "text": "Ethereum does. It has smart contracts."}, {"end": "02:45:21", "start": "02:45:18", "text": "So if you have a fourth generation, it's"}, {"end": "02:45:23", "start": "02:45:19", "text": "a third, second, first generation as"}, {"end": "02:45:26", "start": "02:45:21", "text": "well. It's like a telescope that comes"}, {"end": "02:45:29", "start": "02:45:23", "text": "through. How long was it after you left"}, {"end": "02:45:31", "start": "02:45:26", "text": "Ethereum that you started input output?"}, {"end": "02:45:33", "start": "02:45:29", "text": "I had the game plan for Ethereum and so"}, {"end": "02:45:35", "start": "02:45:31", "text": "I I wanted to do it. So I was like, [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "02:45:37", "start": "02:45:33", "text": "it, I'm just going to do it myself. So I"}, {"end": "02:45:40", "start": "02:45:35", "text": "started Input Output about 6 months"}, {"end": "02:45:41", "start": "02:45:37", "text": "after I got booted out. And so cuz I I"}, {"end": "02:45:42", "start": "02:45:40", "text": "like had to figure out how like start"}, {"end": "02:45:44", "start": "02:45:41", "text": "something, you know. And so there's"}, {"end": "02:45:46", "start": "02:45:42", "text": "these guys in Japan who are like, \"Well,"}, {"end": "02:45:48", "start": "02:45:44", "text": "if we we still like you and we still"}, {"end": "02:45:49", "start": "02:45:46", "text": "want you. So why don't you come to"}, {"end": "02:45:51", "start": "02:45:48", "text": "Japan?\" So it's like you're a celebrity."}, {"end": "02:45:53", "start": "02:45:49", "text": "You're not making like life good in"}, {"end": "02:45:55", "start": "02:45:51", "text": "Hollywood. You go become a like a beless"}, {"end": "02:45:58", "start": "02:45:53", "text": "celebrity in Japan and star in Japanese"}, {"end": "02:45:59", "start": "02:45:55", "text": "movies. And I'd never been to Japan"}, {"end": "02:46:02", "start": "02:45:58", "text": "before. And that was [\u00a0__\u00a0] wild, man."}, {"end": "02:46:05", "start": "02:45:59", "text": "I I I was in Osaka. And Osaka is like"}, {"end": "02:46:06", "start": "02:46:02", "text": "the the gangster mean area of Japan. And"}, {"end": "02:46:09", "start": "02:46:05", "text": "you know, everybody's a little rough in"}, {"end": "02:46:11", "start": "02:46:06", "text": "Osaka, you know, and uh it's it's it's"}, {"end": "02:46:14", "start": "02:46:09", "text": "it's where all the movies are. Uh so I"}, {"end": "02:46:16", "start": "02:46:11", "text": "moved there for a while and um I had to"}, {"end": "02:46:17", "start": "02:46:14", "text": "basically learn how to do business in"}, {"end": "02:46:20", "start": "02:46:16", "text": "Japan, how to raise money in Japan. We"}, {"end": "02:46:21", "start": "02:46:17", "text": "raised $72 million in Japan at the time."}, {"end": "02:46:24", "start": "02:46:20", "text": "It was the largest ICO that was ever"}, {"end": "02:46:25", "start": "02:46:21", "text": "done. Theory was $18 million. And then I"}, {"end": "02:46:26", "start": "02:46:24", "text": "had to build a company. Like I had to"}, {"end": "02:46:28", "start": "02:46:25", "text": "build an army of engineers and"}, {"end": "02:46:30", "start": "02:46:26", "text": "scientists and all this other stuff. And"}, {"end": "02:46:32", "start": "02:46:28", "text": "I still in my 20s and I had absolutely"}, {"end": "02:46:35", "start": "02:46:30", "text": "no experience in any of these things."}, {"end": "02:46:37", "start": "02:46:32", "text": "Wow. So, so it was pretty wild ride, you"}, {"end": "02:46:40", "start": "02:46:35", "text": "know, and and and just this is crypto"}, {"end": "02:46:41", "start": "02:46:37", "text": "circa 2015. So, it was still a very"}, {"end": "02:46:43", "start": "02:46:40", "text": "colorful time. There was a lot of like"}, {"end": "02:46:44", "start": "02:46:41", "text": "um larger than life people like John"}, {"end": "02:46:47", "start": "02:46:43", "text": "McAfee had just come into the"}, {"end": "02:46:49", "start": "02:46:44", "text": "cryptocurrency space and and my frame of"}, {"end": "02:46:51", "start": "02:46:47", "text": "reference for John McAfee was like,"}, {"end": "02:46:53", "start": "02:46:49", "text": "wasn't that that crazy guy who like shot"}, {"end": "02:46:56", "start": "02:46:51", "text": "his neighbor and then like escaped into"}, {"end": "02:46:58", "start": "02:46:53", "text": "Guatemala and was blogging real time"}, {"end": "02:47:00", "start": "02:46:56", "text": "while he was doing it? He's probably a"}, {"end": "02:47:02", "start": "02:46:58", "text": "drug addict. Yeah, but he's really cool."}, {"end": "02:47:04", "start": "02:47:00", "text": "It's like, all right, let's go party"}, {"end": "02:47:06", "start": "02:47:02", "text": "with that guy. That sounds that sounds"}, {"end": "02:47:10", "start": "02:47:04", "text": "fun. And we did in Malta, which was"}, {"end": "02:47:12", "start": "02:47:06", "text": "awesome. Um, but uh but but but anyway,"}, {"end": "02:47:14", "start": "02:47:10", "text": "like there's like these amazing stories"}, {"end": "02:47:16", "start": "02:47:12", "text": "and just just meet all these just super"}, {"end": "02:47:18", "start": "02:47:14", "text": "crazy people. And then also there was"}, {"end": "02:47:20", "start": "02:47:16", "text": "all these adjacent industries to crypto"}, {"end": "02:47:23", "start": "02:47:18", "text": "that were kind of shady. Like DMM, for"}, {"end": "02:47:24", "start": "02:47:20", "text": "example, is a big uh Japanese content"}, {"end": "02:47:26", "start": "02:47:23", "text": "producer, but also they probably control"}, {"end": "02:47:27", "start": "02:47:24", "text": "all the pornography in Japan. And"}, {"end": "02:47:29", "start": "02:47:26", "text": "they're like, \"Yeah, we really love"}, {"end": "02:47:31", "start": "02:47:27", "text": "crypto.\" And I was like, \"Okay, I don't"}, {"end": "02:47:33", "start": "02:47:29", "text": "really want the porn money, but yeah,"}, {"end": "02:47:35", "start": "02:47:31", "text": "there's a lot of it, you know?\" So, so"}, {"end": "02:47:37", "start": "02:47:33", "text": "there there was all these like"}, {"end": "02:47:38", "start": "02:47:35", "text": "conundrums of like who do you partner"}, {"end": "02:47:40", "start": "02:47:37", "text": "with and how do you partner with them in"}, {"end": "02:47:42", "start": "02:47:38", "text": "a way that doesn't have horrific"}, {"end": "02:47:44", "start": "02:47:40", "text": "blowback at some arbitrary point in the"}, {"end": "02:47:46", "start": "02:47:42", "text": "future. Uh so those those were fun days"}, {"end": "02:47:48", "start": "02:47:44", "text": "though. And I and I kind of like lived"}, {"end": "02:47:51", "start": "02:47:46", "text": "in Osaka and then I would pingpong to"}, {"end": "02:47:52", "start": "02:47:48", "text": "Hong Kong and back cuz uh there was a"}, {"end": "02:47:54", "start": "02:47:51", "text": "huge crypto movement that was in Hong"}, {"end": "02:47:55", "start": "02:47:52", "text": "Kong at that time. And then when the"}, {"end": "02:47:57", "start": "02:47:54", "text": "Chinese government cracked down on it,"}, {"end": "02:47:59", "start": "02:47:55", "text": "they moved to Singapore. So then it went"}, {"end": "02:48:01", "start": "02:47:57", "text": "from Japan to Singapore. And then for a"}, {"end": "02:48:03", "start": "02:47:59", "text": "while was in South Korea and they got"}, {"end": "02:48:04", "start": "02:48:01", "text": "super big there. And then exchanges got"}, {"end": "02:48:05", "start": "02:48:03", "text": "hacked and the South Korean government"}, {"end": "02:48:06", "start": "02:48:04", "text": "says, \"Oh, we got to shut this all"}, {"end": "02:48:08", "start": "02:48:05", "text": "down.\" So then they all fled to"}, {"end": "02:48:10", "start": "02:48:06", "text": "Singapore. Now they've all gone to the"}, {"end": "02:48:13", "start": "02:48:08", "text": "Middle East. So everybody's in Dubai now"}, {"end": "02:48:16", "start": "02:48:10", "text": "and speaks Arabic instead of uh Chinese"}, {"end": "02:48:19", "start": "02:48:13", "text": "or uh or Korean. Uh but it's just wild."}, {"end": "02:48:20", "start": "02:48:16", "text": "Um but what we were able to do is we"}, {"end": "02:48:23", "start": "02:48:19", "text": "were the first to market to actually"}, {"end": "02:48:25", "start": "02:48:20", "text": "introduce the concept of peerreview"}, {"end": "02:48:27", "start": "02:48:23", "text": "at scale as an entrepreneur. You know"}, {"end": "02:48:28", "start": "02:48:25", "text": "it's exists in academia but nobody"}, {"end": "02:48:30", "start": "02:48:27", "text": "thought it was a valid business strategy"}, {"end": "02:48:33", "start": "02:48:28", "text": "to go and like hire scientists and do"}, {"end": "02:48:35", "start": "02:48:30", "text": "rigorous research and write formal"}, {"end": "02:48:37", "start": "02:48:33", "text": "papers and go through the peerreview"}, {"end": "02:48:38", "start": "02:48:35", "text": "process and all these things. They're"}, {"end": "02:48:40", "start": "02:48:37", "text": "like, \"Dude, that's that'll set you"}, {"end": "02:48:41", "start": "02:48:38", "text": "behind by years and years and years.\""}, {"end": "02:48:42", "start": "02:48:40", "text": "And I said, \"I have plenty of time.\""}, {"end": "02:48:43", "start": "02:48:41", "text": "They're like, \"Why?\" And I said, \"Well,"}, {"end": "02:48:45", "start": "02:48:42", "text": "here's what's going to happen. These"}, {"end": "02:48:46", "start": "02:48:43", "text": "guys are like Icorus. They're going to"}, {"end": "02:48:47", "start": "02:48:45", "text": "fly really, really close to the sun."}, {"end": "02:48:49", "start": "02:48:46", "text": "Their wings are going to melt off and"}, {"end": "02:48:51", "start": "02:48:47", "text": "then they're going to fall and die. And"}, {"end": "02:48:52", "start": "02:48:49", "text": "we were right in many cases like all"}, {"end": "02:48:54", "start": "02:48:51", "text": "these cryptocurrencies would launch with"}, {"end": "02:48:57", "start": "02:48:52", "text": "brilliant ideas and they worked until"}, {"end": "02:49:00", "start": "02:48:54", "text": "they didn't. EOS worked until it didn't."}, {"end": "02:49:02", "start": "02:48:57", "text": "Luna worked until it didn't and and the"}, {"end": "02:49:04", "start": "02:49:00", "text": "falls got worse and worse every time. So"}, {"end": "02:49:06", "start": "02:49:02", "text": "you fail at few hundred million would be"}, {"end": "02:49:09", "start": "02:49:04", "text": "lost and they fail and it's like $4"}, {"end": "02:49:12", "start": "02:49:06", "text": "billion. Luna fail $40 billion get lost,"}, {"end": "02:49:14", "start": "02:49:09", "text": "you know. So it was that was the other"}, {"end": "02:49:16", "start": "02:49:12", "text": "side is that there was this perverse"}, {"end": "02:49:18", "start": "02:49:14", "text": "incentive in the economic structuring of"}, {"end": "02:49:20", "start": "02:49:16", "text": "running cryptocurrency companies where"}, {"end": "02:49:22", "start": "02:49:18", "text": "you were incentivized to launch as fast"}, {"end": "02:49:24", "start": "02:49:20", "text": "as possible and make it somebody else's"}, {"end": "02:49:26", "start": "02:49:22", "text": "problem when the system didn't work. So"}, {"end": "02:49:27", "start": "02:49:24", "text": "what we did with Cardano is we just"}, {"end": "02:49:28", "start": "02:49:26", "text": "said, you know, we'll just ignore all"}, {"end": "02:49:30", "start": "02:49:27", "text": "that. We'll just pretend like the rest"}, {"end": "02:49:33", "start": "02:49:28", "text": "of the world doesn't exist. We'll be on"}, {"end": "02:49:35", "start": "02:49:30", "text": "the Cardano island in Japan and we'll"}, {"end": "02:49:37", "start": "02:49:33", "text": "just go and build this thing that's"}, {"end": "02:49:38", "start": "02:49:35", "text": "designed to run forever and never fail."}, {"end": "02:49:41", "start": "02:49:37", "text": "And so we when we launched Cardono in"}, {"end": "02:49:42", "start": "02:49:38", "text": "2017, it's been running 24 hours a day,"}, {"end": "02:49:44", "start": "02:49:41", "text": "seven days a week for eight years and"}, {"end": "02:49:46", "start": "02:49:42", "text": "never been hacked and never gone down."}, {"end": "02:49:48", "start": "02:49:44", "text": "Wow. You know, and so I was really proud"}, {"end": "02:49:49", "start": "02:49:46", "text": "of that. Now, we had to do a lot of"}, {"end": "02:49:51", "start": "02:49:48", "text": "crazy [\u00a0__\u00a0] to make that happen. Like we"}, {"end": "02:49:54", "start": "02:49:49", "text": "use these weird programming languages"}, {"end": "02:49:55", "start": "02:49:51", "text": "like Haskell that like maybe 50 guys in"}, {"end": "02:49:57", "start": "02:49:54", "text": "the whole [\u00a0__\u00a0] world actually use and"}, {"end": "02:50:00", "start": "02:49:55", "text": "care about. And you know, they're just"}, {"end": "02:50:02", "start": "02:49:57", "text": "thoroughly unpleasant people. Um, and"}, {"end": "02:50:04", "start": "02:50:00", "text": "uh, we had to invent a lot of new"}, {"end": "02:50:05", "start": "02:50:02", "text": "technology. In many cases, it's like,"}, {"end": "02:50:07", "start": "02:50:04", "text": "okay, I guess we just have to like write"}, {"end": "02:50:08", "start": "02:50:05", "text": "our own programming language or write"}, {"end": "02:50:10", "start": "02:50:07", "text": "our own thing or write this thing. And"}, {"end": "02:50:12", "start": "02:50:08", "text": "then so we ended up developing this"}, {"end": "02:50:13", "start": "02:50:10", "text": "reputation for this thing that everybody"}, {"end": "02:50:15", "start": "02:50:12", "text": "acknowledges exists, but nobody really"}, {"end": "02:50:17", "start": "02:50:13", "text": "knows how it works. It's just over"}, {"end": "02:50:19", "start": "02:50:15", "text": "there. It's like Cardano. It's here."}, {"end": "02:50:21", "start": "02:50:17", "text": "Don't touch it. Don't think about it."}, {"end": "02:50:22", "start": "02:50:19", "text": "And and then what I've had to do in my"}, {"end": "02:50:24", "start": "02:50:21", "text": "second act in the cryptocurrency space"}, {"end": "02:50:26", "start": "02:50:22", "text": "as I've gotten a little bit older is"}, {"end": "02:50:28", "start": "02:50:24", "text": "kind of somehow move that strange thing"}, {"end": "02:50:30", "start": "02:50:26", "text": "and make it get into the real space and"}, {"end": "02:50:32", "start": "02:50:28", "text": "normalize it and everything. So, I'm"}, {"end": "02:50:33", "start": "02:50:30", "text": "coming back from Japan, being a star,"}, {"end": "02:50:35", "start": "02:50:32", "text": "and going back to Hollywood and seeing"}, {"end": "02:50:37", "start": "02:50:33", "text": "if I can find a way to, you know, be an"}, {"end": "02:50:39", "start": "02:50:35", "text": "A-lister. Uh, and it's been a journey,"}, {"end": "02:50:41", "start": "02:50:37", "text": "you know, and, uh, what's crazy is over"}, {"end": "02:50:43", "start": "02:50:39", "text": "the last 10 years, I've gone to 75"}, {"end": "02:50:45", "start": "02:50:41", "text": "countries, you know, I keep a board in"}, {"end": "02:50:48", "start": "02:50:43", "text": "my office and you, you put the little"}, {"end": "02:50:49", "start": "02:50:45", "text": "pins of different places you've gone and"}, {"end": "02:50:51", "start": "02:50:48", "text": "uh, and I counted them, you know, the"}, {"end": "02:50:53", "start": "02:50:49", "text": "other day and I says, I hit 75. So, I'm"}, {"end": "02:50:55", "start": "02:50:51", "text": "almost at 100, you know. Wow. And it and"}, {"end": "02:50:58", "start": "02:50:53", "text": "it just the only continent I haven't"}, {"end": "02:51:00", "start": "02:50:55", "text": "been to is Antarctica, you know, and uh"}, {"end": "02:51:02", "start": "02:50:58", "text": "and it's so wild. Like in any given"}, {"end": "02:51:04", "start": "02:51:00", "text": "3-month period, I'm probably going to"}, {"end": "02:51:06", "start": "02:51:02", "text": "set foot on three to four continents,"}, {"end": "02:51:08", "start": "02:51:04", "text": "you know? I'll be in Africa and Europe"}, {"end": "02:51:11", "start": "02:51:06", "text": "or Asia or South America or North"}, {"end": "02:51:13", "start": "02:51:08", "text": "America and just travel, travel, travel."}, {"end": "02:51:14", "start": "02:51:11", "text": "And what's so surreal about it is"}, {"end": "02:51:17", "start": "02:51:13", "text": "everywhere I go, I get recognized by"}, {"end": "02:51:18", "start": "02:51:14", "text": "people. Like I was in Mongolia, okay?"}, {"end": "02:51:20", "start": "02:51:17", "text": "And this this one blew my mind. I was in"}, {"end": "02:51:22", "start": "02:51:18", "text": "Mongolia. I was out in the Gobi Desert"}, {"end": "02:51:24", "start": "02:51:20", "text": "and there's like this camel herder and"}, {"end": "02:51:26", "start": "02:51:22", "text": "he and uh he comes up to me and talks to"}, {"end": "02:51:27", "start": "02:51:24", "text": "my translator and I said what's the"}, {"end": "02:51:29", "start": "02:51:26", "text": "issue here? He said he wants to take"}, {"end": "02:51:32", "start": "02:51:27", "text": "your picture. He's like why? He's like"}, {"end": "02:51:34", "start": "02:51:29", "text": "he's a ADA holder."}, {"end": "02:51:36", "start": "02:51:32", "text": "I'm like [\u00a0__\u00a0] the [\u00a0__\u00a0] is selling ADA"}, {"end": "02:51:38", "start": "02:51:34", "text": "out here in goddamn Gobi Desert. I mean"}, {"end": "02:51:41", "start": "02:51:36", "text": "like we got some good marketing man."}, {"end": "02:51:42", "start": "02:51:38", "text": "This is this this is this is nuts, you"}, {"end": "02:51:44", "start": "02:51:41", "text": "know? So, uh, so there's, you know,"}, {"end": "02:51:46", "start": "02:51:42", "text": "that's that's fun, but it, you know,"}, {"end": "02:51:48", "start": "02:51:44", "text": "it's also a little weird because there's"}, {"end": "02:51:49", "start": "02:51:46", "text": "asymmetries now. If you're recognized"}, {"end": "02:51:51", "start": "02:51:48", "text": "everywhere you go, you don't start at"}, {"end": "02:51:53", "start": "02:51:49", "text": "zero. You know, they already have an"}, {"end": "02:51:54", "start": "02:51:51", "text": "impression either positive or negative."}, {"end": "02:51:56", "start": "02:51:53", "text": "And the markets are doing well, it's"}, {"end": "02:51:57", "start": "02:51:54", "text": "very positive. If the markets aren't"}, {"end": "02:52:01", "start": "02:51:56", "text": "doing well, it's very negative. So, you"}, {"end": "02:52:01", "start": "02:51:57", "text": "got to be a little careful with it."}, {"end": "02:52:08", "start": "02:52:03", "text": "Lot of stuff there. Yeah. Lot of stuff."}, {"end": "02:52:11", "start": "02:52:06", "text": "Let's talk Let's switch it up a little"}, {"end": "02:52:15", "start": "02:52:08", "text": "bit. Let's talk about the what was it"}, {"end": "02:52:17", "start": "02:52:11", "text": "that you were you were looking for"}, {"end": "02:52:19", "start": "02:52:15", "text": "solar. Oh, the alien stuff. Yeah, let's"}, {"end": "02:52:22", "start": "02:52:17", "text": "talk about the alien stuff. Oh, god."}, {"end": "02:52:26", "start": "02:52:19", "text": "People love aliens. All right. So, I"}, {"end": "02:52:28", "start": "02:52:22", "text": "watched um uh Avi Lobe on Joe Rogan. He"}, {"end": "02:52:31", "start": "02:52:26", "text": "was talking about Mua Mua, which is like"}, {"end": "02:52:33", "start": "02:52:28", "text": "this cigar- shaped alien vessel thingy"}, {"end": "02:52:35", "start": "02:52:31", "text": "thingabob that doesn't seem to be from"}, {"end": "02:52:38", "start": "02:52:33", "text": "our solar system and it doesn't seem to"}, {"end": "02:52:39", "start": "02:52:35", "text": "be natural. And I was like, \"Wow, this"}, {"end": "02:52:41", "start": "02:52:38", "text": "Avi guy is really cool.\" And he had"}, {"end": "02:52:43", "start": "02:52:39", "text": "something called the Galileo program."}, {"end": "02:52:45", "start": "02:52:41", "text": "And uh and so I reached out to Avi and I"}, {"end": "02:52:46", "start": "02:52:43", "text": "said, \"Hey, you know, I'm a big fan and"}, {"end": "02:52:48", "start": "02:52:45", "text": "uh you know, I I heard that you guys are"}, {"end": "02:52:50", "start": "02:52:46", "text": "doing some interesting stuff. Is there"}, {"end": "02:52:53", "start": "02:52:48", "text": "anything I can help you with?\" And"}, {"end": "02:52:53", "start": "02:52:50", "text": "obviously"}, {"end": "02:52:59", "start": "02:52:54", "text": "body, this meteorite that hit Earth in"}, {"end": "02:53:00", "start": "02:52:56", "text": "2014, and we think it's from a different"}, {"end": "02:53:02", "start": "02:52:59", "text": "solar system because we did all the"}, {"end": "02:53:05", "start": "02:53:00", "text": "mathematical calculations and we figured"}, {"end": "02:53:06", "start": "02:53:02", "text": "out where it landed roughly speaking."}, {"end": "02:53:09", "start": "02:53:05", "text": "and we think there might be a chance"}, {"end": "02:53:10", "start": "02:53:06", "text": "that it's not natural. I was like, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "02:53:11", "start": "02:53:09", "text": "that's interesting.\" I said, \"Where is"}, {"end": "02:53:12", "start": "02:53:10", "text": "it?\" And they said, \"Well, you know, we"}, {"end": "02:53:14", "start": "02:53:11", "text": "got some data from the Air Force, but"}, {"end": "02:53:16", "start": "02:53:12", "text": "they won't give us the right resolution,"}, {"end": "02:53:19", "start": "02:53:14", "text": "but we have enough resolution uh that we"}, {"end": "02:53:21", "start": "02:53:16", "text": "think it's like roughly speaking 50"}, {"end": "02:53:22", "start": "02:53:19", "text": "miles off the coast of Papu New Guinea.\""}, {"end": "02:53:23", "start": "02:53:21", "text": "I'm like, \"Okay, so what do you want to"}, {"end": "02:53:25", "start": "02:53:22", "text": "do?\" And he's like, \"Well, we want to"}, {"end": "02:53:27", "start": "02:53:23", "text": "set up a sea salvage operation and go,"}, {"end": "02:53:29", "start": "02:53:25", "text": "you know, find it.\" He's like, \"You want"}, {"end": "02:53:31", "start": "02:53:27", "text": "to be part of it?\" Like, \"Do I [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "02:53:33", "start": "02:53:29", "text": "sea salvage operation off the coast of"}, {"end": "02:53:35", "start": "02:53:31", "text": "Puigi? This is going to be interesting.\""}, {"end": "02:53:37", "start": "02:53:33", "text": "All right. So, it was like a heist"}, {"end": "02:53:39", "start": "02:53:35", "text": "movie. We had like assemble this team of"}, {"end": "02:53:41", "start": "02:53:37", "text": "people and we had this weirdo air force"}, {"end": "02:53:43", "start": "02:53:39", "text": "guy that went with us and uh then we had"}, {"end": "02:53:45", "start": "02:53:41", "text": "this old sea captain who was like 87"}, {"end": "02:53:47", "start": "02:53:43", "text": "years old named Art Wright who is like"}, {"end": "02:53:49", "start": "02:53:45", "text": "the Navy's find it guy, you know, he"}, {"end": "02:53:51", "start": "02:53:47", "text": "found like Russian nuclear subs and all"}, {"end": "02:53:54", "start": "02:53:49", "text": "these other things. And he fought in"}, {"end": "02:53:55", "start": "02:53:51", "text": "Vietnam as like a captain in in Laos and"}, {"end": "02:53:57", "start": "02:53:54", "text": "all these other things. You know, he's"}, {"end": "02:53:59", "start": "02:53:55", "text": "just seen some horrible [\u00a0__\u00a0] his entire"}, {"end": "02:54:02", "start": "02:53:57", "text": "life. It was crusty as hell. And then we"}, {"end": "02:54:04", "start": "02:53:59", "text": "had um this guy from New Zealand uh"}, {"end": "02:54:06", "start": "02:54:02", "text": "whose name will come to me in a second."}, {"end": "02:54:08", "start": "02:54:04", "text": "Um and uh he he was like a famous"}, {"end": "02:54:10", "start": "02:54:06", "text": "submarine diver and he was good friends"}, {"end": "02:54:12", "start": "02:54:08", "text": "with uh with James Cameron and he got to"}, {"end": "02:54:14", "start": "02:54:10", "text": "the Titanic a dozen times and all these"}, {"end": "02:54:16", "start": "02:54:12", "text": "things. So it was a really eclectic crew"}, {"end": "02:54:18", "start": "02:54:14", "text": "of people and I put in the money and a"}, {"end": "02:54:19", "start": "02:54:16", "text": "Netflix crew came down and they actually"}, {"end": "02:54:21", "start": "02:54:18", "text": "shot a documentary while we were down"}, {"end": "02:54:22", "start": "02:54:19", "text": "there and they're still working on it."}, {"end": "02:54:26", "start": "02:54:21", "text": "So we also had a documentary crew that"}, {"end": "02:54:28", "start": "02:54:22", "text": "was led by a really um unique director."}, {"end": "02:54:29", "start": "02:54:26", "text": "It was special and obviously Avi himself"}, {"end": "02:54:31", "start": "02:54:28", "text": "and all the Harvard scientists and we"}, {"end": "02:54:33", "start": "02:54:29", "text": "got on this ship called the Silver Star."}, {"end": "02:54:35", "start": "02:54:31", "text": "So we planned out the whole expedition."}, {"end": "02:54:39", "start": "02:54:33", "text": "We flew out on my jet to Manis Island"}, {"end": "02:54:42", "start": "02:54:35", "text": "and uh and then we took off and what we"}, {"end": "02:54:44", "start": "02:54:39", "text": "had to do is we designed this sled uh"}, {"end": "02:54:47", "start": "02:54:42", "text": "with magnets on it and basically we we"}, {"end": "02:54:49", "start": "02:54:44", "text": "had it fall behind the ship and sink all"}, {"end": "02:54:51", "start": "02:54:47", "text": "the way to the seafloor 6,000 ft down"}, {"end": "02:54:54", "start": "02:54:49", "text": "and then we dragged it. It's kind of"}, {"end": "02:54:55", "start": "02:54:51", "text": "like space balls, uh, when they they're"}, {"end": "02:54:57", "start": "02:54:54", "text": "combing the desert, you know, they're"}, {"end": "02:54:59", "start": "02:54:55", "text": "out there. So, you just drag this sled"}, {"end": "02:55:01", "start": "02:54:57", "text": "behind the ship for eight hours and you"}, {"end": "02:55:03", "start": "02:54:59", "text": "bring the sled up in a very dramatic way"}, {"end": "02:55:05", "start": "02:55:01", "text": "and then you take the sled off and then"}, {"end": "02:55:07", "start": "02:55:03", "text": "we had to clean the magnets off to see"}, {"end": "02:55:10", "start": "02:55:05", "text": "if we can find fragments from the"}, {"end": "02:55:12", "start": "02:55:07", "text": "meteorite that was there. Uh and we did"}, {"end": "02:55:14", "start": "02:55:10", "text": "this for two weeks and and and it almost"}, {"end": "02:55:15", "start": "02:55:12", "text": "became like a horror movie because we"}, {"end": "02:55:17", "start": "02:55:14", "text": "were like tightly confined on the ship"}, {"end": "02:55:19", "start": "02:55:15", "text": "and because of the schedule we had a"}, {"end": "02:55:21", "start": "02:55:17", "text": "polyphasic sleep schedule. We were"}, {"end": "02:55:23", "start": "02:55:19", "text": "running 24 hours a day to save money. uh"}, {"end": "02:55:25", "start": "02:55:21", "text": "nobody was sleeping properly and it was"}, {"end": "02:55:27", "start": "02:55:23", "text": "a very high stress and things kept"}, {"end": "02:55:29", "start": "02:55:25", "text": "breaking and things kept going wrong and"}, {"end": "02:55:32", "start": "02:55:27", "text": "like the experienced sailors like Art uh"}, {"end": "02:55:34", "start": "02:55:29", "text": "he he he would be uh he would be super"}, {"end": "02:55:36", "start": "02:55:32", "text": "stoic guy like every morning go down at"}, {"end": "02:55:38", "start": "02:55:34", "text": "5:00 a.m. Morning, Captain Morning. And"}, {"end": "02:55:40", "start": "02:55:36", "text": "I was like, I heard you were a rowing"}, {"end": "02:55:43", "start": "02:55:38", "text": "champion and you know at at 87 like how"}, {"end": "02:55:46", "start": "02:55:40", "text": "do you do that? And they all died."}, {"end": "02:55:49", "start": "02:55:43", "text": "It's like he's a man of few words, Art."}, {"end": "02:55:52", "start": "02:55:46", "text": "Um and uh but then you know Avi, he"}, {"end": "02:55:54", "start": "02:55:49", "text": "decided to stop sleeping in his cabin"}, {"end": "02:55:57", "start": "02:55:52", "text": "and sleeping instead in the common"}, {"end": "02:55:58", "start": "02:55:54", "text": "areas. And then uh oh god, we nearly"}, {"end": "02:56:00", "start": "02:55:57", "text": "killed him because he kept turning off"}, {"end": "02:56:02", "start": "02:55:58", "text": "the air conditioner. It was like 120\u00b0"}, {"end": "02:56:03", "start": "02:56:00", "text": "with the humidity cuz we're right in the"}, {"end": "02:56:06", "start": "02:56:02", "text": "equator and it's the middle of [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "02:56:08", "start": "02:56:03", "text": "summer. And for some reason, I don't"}, {"end": "02:56:09", "start": "02:56:06", "text": "know why, in the common area, which is"}, {"end": "02:56:12", "start": "02:56:08", "text": "the only place we can hang out on the"}, {"end": "02:56:14", "start": "02:56:09", "text": "ship. Uh he anytime he was wearing his"}, {"end": "02:56:16", "start": "02:56:12", "text": "laptop, he would turn off the AC and it"}, {"end": "02:56:18", "start": "02:56:14", "text": "would get just unbearably hot inside the"}, {"end": "02:56:19", "start": "02:56:16", "text": "area. So, we go and turn it back on,"}, {"end": "02:56:21", "start": "02:56:18", "text": "then he would turn it off, and turn it"}, {"end": "02:56:23", "start": "02:56:19", "text": "back on, then he would turn it off. And"}, {"end": "02:56:25", "start": "02:56:21", "text": "like the first few days, haha, we're all"}, {"end": "02:56:27", "start": "02:56:23", "text": "fine. After about two weeks on a ship,"}, {"end": "02:56:29", "start": "02:56:25", "text": "not sleeping properly, you know, that"}, {"end": "02:56:30", "start": "02:56:27", "text": "that motion and everything, we're like,"}, {"end": "02:56:33", "start": "02:56:29", "text": "\"Do you think the world would miss Avi"}, {"end": "02:56:35", "start": "02:56:30", "text": "Lobo if he fell off the ship, you know,"}, {"end": "02:56:38", "start": "02:56:33", "text": "but uh but anyway, he was a good man.\""}, {"end": "02:56:40", "start": "02:56:35", "text": "And and what we ended up finding uh cuz"}, {"end": "02:56:41", "start": "02:56:38", "text": "after we processed all the samples, we"}, {"end": "02:56:44", "start": "02:56:40", "text": "sent them over to Harvard and uh they"}, {"end": "02:56:46", "start": "02:56:41", "text": "analyzed them that we found these furals"}, {"end": "02:56:49", "start": "02:56:44", "text": "that are from a different solar system."}, {"end": "02:56:51", "start": "02:56:46", "text": "So after analyzing them, they have about"}, {"end": "02:56:54", "start": "02:56:49", "text": "5,000 times the concentration of"}, {"end": "02:56:56", "start": "02:56:51", "text": "burillion lanthinum in uranium. And so"}, {"end": "02:56:58", "start": "02:56:54", "text": "what we think happened was that there"}, {"end": "02:57:00", "start": "02:56:56", "text": "was a planet that smashed into something"}, {"end": "02:57:03", "start": "02:56:58", "text": "and it broke open and its core was"}, {"end": "02:57:05", "start": "02:57:00", "text": "violently ejected and then it traveled"}, {"end": "02:57:07", "start": "02:57:03", "text": "for a billion years into interstellar"}, {"end": "02:57:09", "start": "02:57:05", "text": "space and then it ended up hitting the"}, {"end": "02:57:12", "start": "02:57:07", "text": "earth. Wow. which is the chance of that"}, {"end": "02:57:14", "start": "02:57:09", "text": "is like so infotetumly small. And we"}, {"end": "02:57:16", "start": "02:57:12", "text": "wrote a paper about it and it got"}, {"end": "02:57:18", "start": "02:57:14", "text": "published and they want to do another"}, {"end": "02:57:20", "start": "02:57:16", "text": "expedition because now that they found"}, {"end": "02:57:22", "start": "02:57:18", "text": "those fragments, they think they know"}, {"end": "02:57:23", "start": "02:57:20", "text": "where the big pieces are. And if you"}, {"end": "02:57:25", "start": "02:57:22", "text": "find a big piece, you can use different"}, {"end": "02:57:27", "start": "02:57:23", "text": "types of analysis to be able to actually"}, {"end": "02:57:29", "start": "02:57:25", "text": "definitively know what solar system that"}, {"end": "02:57:31", "start": "02:57:27", "text": "it actually came from. But uh because"}, {"end": "02:57:33", "start": "02:57:29", "text": "you know when these things fall they"}, {"end": "02:57:35", "start": "02:57:31", "text": "kind of like the outer skin melts and as"}, {"end": "02:57:37", "start": "02:57:33", "text": "it melts they drop down and they form"}, {"end": "02:57:38", "start": "02:57:35", "text": "spheres and then they sink to the bottom"}, {"end": "02:57:40", "start": "02:57:37", "text": "of the sea and they just sit in the"}, {"end": "02:57:42", "start": "02:57:38", "text": "abyssal terrain forever. Uh but I think"}, {"end": "02:57:44", "start": "02:57:40", "text": "it's the first exosolar thing ever"}, {"end": "02:57:45", "start": "02:57:42", "text": "recovered from the seafloor. So I was"}, {"end": "02:57:47", "start": "02:57:44", "text": "really proud of that. You know we helped"}, {"end": "02:57:49", "start": "02:57:45", "text": "design the sled and did all these things"}, {"end": "02:57:50", "start": "02:57:47", "text": "and we actually designed two sleds and"}, {"end": "02:57:51", "start": "02:57:49", "text": "one of them that I designed they didn't"}, {"end": "02:57:53", "start": "02:57:50", "text": "use and then the other one with the"}, {"end": "02:57:55", "start": "02:57:51", "text": "magnets they ended up using. The one"}, {"end": "02:57:57", "start": "02:57:53", "text": "that I helped design was a sleuth box."}, {"end": "02:57:58", "start": "02:57:55", "text": "And because I used to gold pan and I"}, {"end": "02:58:01", "start": "02:57:57", "text": "used to do the sleuththing for gold on"}, {"end": "02:58:03", "start": "02:57:58", "text": "river beds. And what you do is you you"}, {"end": "02:58:04", "start": "02:58:01", "text": "have these riffles in it and it takes"}, {"end": "02:58:06", "start": "02:58:03", "text": "advantage of the density mismatch"}, {"end": "02:58:08", "start": "02:58:04", "text": "between the sediments and the gold. And"}, {"end": "02:58:10", "start": "02:58:06", "text": "so you're saying, well, if it's alien"}, {"end": "02:58:12", "start": "02:58:08", "text": "technology or it's like a heavy iron or"}, {"end": "02:58:13", "start": "02:58:10", "text": "something like that from a meteorite,"}, {"end": "02:58:15", "start": "02:58:12", "text": "it's probably really heavy. It's pretty"}, {"end": "02:58:17", "start": "02:58:13", "text": "dense. So if that material is really"}, {"end": "02:58:20", "start": "02:58:15", "text": "strong and really dense, then it it's"}, {"end": "02:58:22", "start": "02:58:17", "text": "going to be much easier to sort it out"}, {"end": "02:58:24", "start": "02:58:20", "text": "from sand that's on the seabed, right?"}, {"end": "02:58:26", "start": "02:58:22", "text": "And so if you use a sleuth box, just"}, {"end": "02:58:28", "start": "02:58:24", "text": "like gold panning, you should be able to"}, {"end": "02:58:30", "start": "02:58:26", "text": "filter it out. The problem is that we"}, {"end": "02:58:32", "start": "02:58:28", "text": "tested it off the west coast of the"}, {"end": "02:58:33", "start": "02:58:30", "text": "United States, like right off Washington"}, {"end": "02:58:36", "start": "02:58:32", "text": "State, cuz that's where the the guys who"}, {"end": "02:58:39", "start": "02:58:33", "text": "designed everything was, and that was a"}, {"end": "02:58:40", "start": "02:58:36", "text": "radically different seabed than Boua New"}, {"end": "02:58:42", "start": "02:58:39", "text": "Guinea. So it kept getting clogged up,"}, {"end": "02:58:44", "start": "02:58:40", "text": "and we couldn't end up using it. We were"}, {"end": "02:58:46", "start": "02:58:42", "text": "worried actually that we were going to"}, {"end": "02:58:49", "start": "02:58:44", "text": "break our line cuz we had this giant"}, {"end": "02:58:51", "start": "02:58:46", "text": "spool in the back and you know it's it"}, {"end": "02:58:53", "start": "02:58:49", "text": "has to have enough rope to go down 6,000"}, {"end": "02:58:54", "start": "02:58:51", "text": "ft and also then drag this thing behind"}, {"end": "02:58:55", "start": "02:58:53", "text": "the boat and we're like man that's"}, {"end": "02:58:57", "start": "02:58:54", "text": "probably going to break with some"}, {"end": "02:58:59", "start": "02:58:55", "text": "snapback and kill somebody. We should"}, {"end": "02:59:01", "start": "02:58:57", "text": "probably not do that. So we we ended up"}, {"end": "02:59:04", "start": "02:58:59", "text": "just using the magnetic sled instead."}, {"end": "02:59:05", "start": "02:59:01", "text": "But we had a lot of fun with it. Like um"}, {"end": "02:59:07", "start": "02:59:04", "text": "you know the thing you know where they"}, {"end": "02:59:09", "start": "02:59:05", "text": "had that that that soundtrack from it"}, {"end": "02:59:11", "start": "02:59:07", "text": "you know dun dun dun. So, we made a"}, {"end": "02:59:13", "start": "02:59:09", "text": "little video, you know, on Twitter of"}, {"end": "02:59:15", "start": "02:59:11", "text": "like the sled coming up in the middle of"}, {"end": "02:59:16", "start": "02:59:13", "text": "the night and like the thing song theme"}, {"end": "02:59:18", "start": "02:59:15", "text": "there, you know, because we say, \"Hey,"}, {"end": "02:59:20", "start": "02:59:16", "text": "you never know. It could be alien [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "02:59:21", "start": "02:59:18", "text": "you know.\" And we never told Obby this,"}, {"end": "02:59:23", "start": "02:59:20", "text": "but my security detail and I we said,"}, {"end": "02:59:25", "start": "02:59:21", "text": "\"Look, if we actually find something"}, {"end": "02:59:27", "start": "02:59:23", "text": "alien, we we had a whole protocol for"}, {"end": "02:59:29", "start": "02:59:25", "text": "how we were going to secure that and"}, {"end": "02:59:31", "start": "02:59:27", "text": "take it off the ship and take it to an"}, {"end": "02:59:33", "start": "02:59:29", "text": "undisclosed location to decide what to"}, {"end": "02:59:35", "start": "02:59:31", "text": "do with it.\" And only later did we tell"}, {"end": "02:59:38", "start": "02:59:33", "text": "Avi that we we had it. We called it the"}, {"end": "02:59:39", "start": "02:59:35", "text": "touchdown protocol. And these were all"}, {"end": "02:59:42", "start": "02:59:38", "text": "like Green Beretss that were with me."}, {"end": "02:59:44", "start": "02:59:39", "text": "And uh I w I didn't have a SEAL at that"}, {"end": "02:59:45", "start": "02:59:42", "text": "time, but I really wish I had some Navy"}, {"end": "02:59:48", "start": "02:59:44", "text": "guys because the Berets didn't do as"}, {"end": "02:59:50", "start": "02:59:45", "text": "well on the boat as the as Billy would"}, {"end": "02:59:52", "start": "02:59:48", "text": "have done. What do you think of all this"}, {"end": "02:59:54", "start": "02:59:50", "text": "alien stuff in the news? These"}, {"end": "02:59:58", "start": "02:59:52", "text": "anti-gravity"}, {"end": "02:59:59", "start": "02:59:54", "text": "propulsion systems. What do you think?"}, {"end": "03:00:01", "start": "02:59:58", "text": "Well, you know, it's hard to know it's"}, {"end": "03:00:03", "start": "02:59:59", "text": "true anymore because it could be a false"}, {"end": "03:00:05", "start": "03:00:01", "text": "flag thing where they're doing it to"}, {"end": "03:00:08", "start": "03:00:03", "text": "distract people or a propaganda thing."}, {"end": "03:00:10", "start": "03:00:05", "text": "uh or it maybe is it's legit UAPs and uh"}, {"end": "03:00:12", "start": "03:00:08", "text": "they actually have these capabilities."}, {"end": "03:00:13", "start": "03:00:10", "text": "Um certainly the tapes are compelling."}, {"end": "03:00:15", "start": "03:00:12", "text": "You know, you study aerospace"}, {"end": "03:00:17", "start": "03:00:13", "text": "engineering, it's like it's not possible"}, {"end": "03:00:19", "start": "03:00:15", "text": "to do the maneuvers that you're seeing"}, {"end": "03:00:21", "start": "03:00:17", "text": "with conventional propulsion. So there's"}, {"end": "03:00:22", "start": "03:00:19", "text": "some fundamental difference here with"}, {"end": "03:00:24", "start": "03:00:21", "text": "these things. And if you're an alien"}, {"end": "03:00:27", "start": "03:00:22", "text": "race, you got to think about what would"}, {"end": "03:00:29", "start": "03:00:24", "text": "they do? They would send robots like"}, {"end": "03:00:32", "start": "03:00:27", "text": "just like we would. We would send drones"}, {"end": "03:00:33", "start": "03:00:29", "text": "to a place. And so if you have it, you"}, {"end": "03:00:36", "start": "03:00:32", "text": "know, you would first hide them in the"}, {"end": "03:00:39", "start": "03:00:33", "text": "sea cuz no one will discover them there."}, {"end": "03:00:41", "start": "03:00:36", "text": "And 70% of the earth is sea. So it's the"}, {"end": "03:00:43", "start": "03:00:39", "text": "obvious hiding spot to do it. And then"}, {"end": "03:00:45", "start": "03:00:41", "text": "uh you know, you would use them to"}, {"end": "03:00:47", "start": "03:00:43", "text": "observe things of significance. So"}, {"end": "03:00:50", "start": "03:00:45", "text": "observe nuclear weapons, observe the"}, {"end": "03:00:51", "start": "03:00:47", "text": "great powers, observe events, and then"}, {"end": "03:00:54", "start": "03:00:50", "text": "there would be some period that you"}, {"end": "03:00:56", "start": "03:00:51", "text": "would transmit information back. So"}, {"end": "03:00:58", "start": "03:00:54", "text": "it's, you know, it makes sense, you"}, {"end": "03:00:59", "start": "03:00:56", "text": "know, from a from a common sense"}, {"end": "03:01:01", "start": "03:00:58", "text": "framework that, you know, if there was"}, {"end": "03:01:02", "start": "03:00:59", "text": "an extraterrestrial surveilling the"}, {"end": "03:01:04", "start": "03:01:01", "text": "United States, that would be the"}, {"end": "03:01:05", "start": "03:01:02", "text": "approach that they would take. And then"}, {"end": "03:01:07", "start": "03:01:04", "text": "the other thing you'd like to understand"}, {"end": "03:01:08", "start": "03:01:05", "text": "is the capabilities of the species, like"}, {"end": "03:01:10", "start": "03:01:07", "text": "can you turn their nuclear weapons on"}, {"end": "03:01:12", "start": "03:01:08", "text": "and off, there's been some reports of"}, {"end": "03:01:14", "start": "03:01:10", "text": "issues like power outages at silos and"}, {"end": "03:01:16", "start": "03:01:12", "text": "things like that. And you'd also like to"}, {"end": "03:01:18", "start": "03:01:14", "text": "take samples, you know, you'd like to"}, {"end": "03:01:20", "start": "03:01:16", "text": "understand what those species are and uh"}, {"end": "03:01:21", "start": "03:01:18", "text": "and and understand if they're a threat"}, {"end": "03:01:23", "start": "03:01:20", "text": "or friendly or, you know, how they"}, {"end": "03:01:26", "start": "03:01:21", "text": "operate and what they do. So is it"}, {"end": "03:01:29", "start": "03:01:23", "text": "plausible? Of course."}, {"end": "03:01:31", "start": "03:01:26", "text": "The challenge is you know why is it not"}, {"end": "03:01:34", "start": "03:01:29", "text": "disclosed at this point if they do"}, {"end": "03:01:37", "start": "03:01:31", "text": "exist. You know what is the reason the"}, {"end": "03:01:38", "start": "03:01:34", "text": "government won't tell us the whole truth"}, {"end": "03:01:40", "start": "03:01:37", "text": "if they're fully aware of that truth"}, {"end": "03:01:42", "start": "03:01:38", "text": "either because the truth is horrifying"}, {"end": "03:01:44", "start": "03:01:40", "text": "and there's really bad things that are"}, {"end": "03:01:46", "start": "03:01:42", "text": "happening or they don't know in which"}, {"end": "03:01:47", "start": "03:01:44", "text": "case they're actually being honest and"}, {"end": "03:01:49", "start": "03:01:46", "text": "they're sharing what they do have you"}, {"end": "03:01:51", "start": "03:01:47", "text": "know sands what they think they can't"}, {"end": "03:01:54", "start": "03:01:49", "text": "determine as an enemy capability versus"}, {"end": "03:01:55", "start": "03:01:51", "text": "what we have. um or it doesn't exist and"}, {"end": "03:01:57", "start": "03:01:54", "text": "they're actually doing this as a false"}, {"end": "03:02:00", "start": "03:01:55", "text": "flag thing to try to mess with us for"}, {"end": "03:02:01", "start": "03:01:57", "text": "some reason to distract us from some"}, {"end": "03:02:03", "start": "03:02:00", "text": "other thing that they're Why would they"}, {"end": "03:02:05", "start": "03:02:01", "text": "be doing that? Who knows? You know, it's"}, {"end": "03:02:06", "start": "03:02:03", "text": "it's like tradecraftraft, right? You"}, {"end": "03:02:08", "start": "03:02:05", "text": "know, you you pay attention to left hand"}, {"end": "03:02:11", "start": "03:02:06", "text": "while the right hand's sliding in your"}, {"end": "03:02:14", "start": "03:02:08", "text": "back pocket, you know? So, you you"}, {"end": "03:02:16", "start": "03:02:11", "text": "always do things in a certain way um in"}, {"end": "03:02:18", "start": "03:02:14", "text": "a certain structure based upon what your"}, {"end": "03:02:21", "start": "03:02:16", "text": "goals are. you know, they could have"}, {"end": "03:02:23", "start": "03:02:18", "text": "killed Bin Laden with a JDAM and uh and"}, {"end": "03:02:25", "start": "03:02:21", "text": "they just taken DNA samples. Instead,"}, {"end": "03:02:27", "start": "03:02:23", "text": "they had a daring raid, you know, opera."}, {"end": "03:02:29", "start": "03:02:25", "text": "It was a Neptune spear and they sent"}, {"end": "03:02:32", "start": "03:02:27", "text": "special forces in in a very, very"}, {"end": "03:02:33", "start": "03:02:29", "text": "dangerous mission that happened to be"}, {"end": "03:02:35", "start": "03:02:32", "text": "timed to happen exactly when Obama was"}, {"end": "03:02:37", "start": "03:02:33", "text": "at the White House correspondents dinner"}, {"end": "03:02:40", "start": "03:02:35", "text": "when all of the press happened to be in"}, {"end": "03:02:41", "start": "03:02:37", "text": "Washington DC. And um the end result was"}, {"end": "03:02:44", "start": "03:02:40", "text": "exactly the same. It was a kill mission."}, {"end": "03:02:46", "start": "03:02:41", "text": "It was not a capture mission. So why do"}, {"end": "03:02:47", "start": "03:02:44", "text": "it that way? I don't know. Maybe the"}, {"end": "03:02:49", "start": "03:02:46", "text": "president had other objectives other"}, {"end": "03:02:52", "start": "03:02:47", "text": "than just killing a target, you know."}, {"end": "03:02:54", "start": "03:02:49", "text": "And so politicians do things and"}, {"end": "03:02:56", "start": "03:02:52", "text": "governments do things all all the time"}, {"end": "03:02:58", "start": "03:02:54", "text": "to distract people and say things. And"}, {"end": "03:03:00", "start": "03:02:56", "text": "if one distraction is not working, then"}, {"end": "03:03:03", "start": "03:02:58", "text": "perhaps another distraction is going to"}, {"end": "03:03:06", "start": "03:03:00", "text": "work. The other thing is that um there's"}, {"end": "03:03:07", "start": "03:03:03", "text": "a lot of weird topshelf physics that"}, {"end": "03:03:09", "start": "03:03:06", "text": "we're starting to discover in the"}, {"end": "03:03:10", "start": "03:03:07", "text": "academic world. Like they froze light"}, {"end": "03:03:12", "start": "03:03:09", "text": "the other day. Now I guess light's a"}, {"end": "03:03:14", "start": "03:03:10", "text": "solid. Who the [\u00a0__\u00a0] knew? And what do"}, {"end": "03:03:15", "start": "03:03:12", "text": "you mean they froze light? It's crazy,"}, {"end": "03:03:18", "start": "03:03:14", "text": "right? that God knows how it works."}, {"end": "03:03:19", "start": "03:03:15", "text": "They're doing it for B for memory"}, {"end": "03:03:22", "start": "03:03:18", "text": "modules for optical quantum computers"}, {"end": "03:03:23", "start": "03:03:19", "text": "and using crystals like freeze light,"}, {"end": "03:03:24", "start": "03:03:22", "text": "you know, and then then they have time"}, {"end": "03:03:26", "start": "03:03:23", "text": "crystals and they have all this other"}, {"end": "03:03:28", "start": "03:03:24", "text": "crazy [\u00a0__\u00a0] that they're coming up with."}, {"end": "03:03:31", "start": "03:03:26", "text": "It's like the physics are so insane. So,"}, {"end": "03:03:32", "start": "03:03:28", "text": "we're discovering things that are kind"}, {"end": "03:03:34", "start": "03:03:31", "text": "of like bending our conception of"}, {"end": "03:03:37", "start": "03:03:32", "text": "reality, whether it be quantum"}, {"end": "03:03:38", "start": "03:03:34", "text": "teleportation or uh you know, any of"}, {"end": "03:03:40", "start": "03:03:37", "text": "these things. What is quantum"}, {"end": "03:03:42", "start": "03:03:38", "text": "teleportation? It's basically where you"}, {"end": "03:03:44", "start": "03:03:40", "text": "move without going through a medium"}, {"end": "03:03:46", "start": "03:03:42", "text": "information from one point to another"}, {"end": "03:03:47", "start": "03:03:44", "text": "point and and it seems to be faster than"}, {"end": "03:03:49", "start": "03:03:46", "text": "the speed of light. You know, and some"}, {"end": "03:03:51", "start": "03:03:47", "text": "physicists listening to this will cringe"}, {"end": "03:03:53", "start": "03:03:49", "text": "and say, \"Well, actually, but basically,"}, {"end": "03:03:55", "start": "03:03:51", "text": "you can move a message from A to B and"}, {"end": "03:03:56", "start": "03:03:53", "text": "it doesn't go through a medium. They"}, {"end": "03:03:58", "start": "03:03:55", "text": "just quantum entanglement.\" Yeah. They"}, {"end": "03:04:01", "start": "03:03:56", "text": "entangle and a message comes through,"}, {"end": "03:04:03", "start": "03:03:58", "text": "you know, and so and so you have these"}, {"end": "03:04:06", "start": "03:04:01", "text": "capabilities. You have these things here"}, {"end": "03:04:08", "start": "03:04:03", "text": "and and they're beyond the realm of"}, {"end": "03:04:10", "start": "03:04:06", "text": "normal understanding. meaning that you"}, {"end": "03:04:12", "start": "03:04:08", "text": "have to have a PhD in physics and even"}, {"end": "03:04:15", "start": "03:04:10", "text": "in just discussing them, you kind of get"}, {"end": "03:04:16", "start": "03:04:12", "text": "your conception wrong. Like my my"}, {"end": "03:04:18", "start": "03:04:15", "text": "description of quantum computers with"}, {"end": "03:04:20", "start": "03:04:16", "text": "the library is kind of sort of right,"}, {"end": "03:04:22", "start": "03:04:18", "text": "but there's some nuances about how"}, {"end": "03:04:24", "start": "03:04:20", "text": "interference works and entanglement"}, {"end": "03:04:26", "start": "03:04:22", "text": "works and but it's right enough that you"}, {"end": "03:04:28", "start": "03:04:24", "text": "know you're 90% of the way there. We're"}, {"end": "03:04:30", "start": "03:04:26", "text": "not even 90% of the way there when you"}, {"end": "03:04:32", "start": "03:04:28", "text": "talk about these topshelf new physics"}, {"end": "03:04:33", "start": "03:04:30", "text": "things. Well, what if there are secret"}, {"end": "03:04:35", "start": "03:04:32", "text": "research labs that have been very"}, {"end": "03:04:38", "start": "03:04:33", "text": "focused and thinking about these top"}, {"end": "03:04:40", "start": "03:04:35", "text": "shelf things for 20, 30, 40, 50 years?"}, {"end": "03:04:43", "start": "03:04:38", "text": "They're going to be far ahead of the"}, {"end": "03:04:45", "start": "03:04:40", "text": "mainstream, in which case they'll have"}, {"end": "03:04:47", "start": "03:04:43", "text": "things that look like magic. Maybe they"}, {"end": "03:04:49", "start": "03:04:45", "text": "figured out anti-gravity, which case"}, {"end": "03:04:50", "start": "03:04:47", "text": "propulsion works totally different."}, {"end": "03:04:52", "start": "03:04:49", "text": "Maybe they figured out some new physics"}, {"end": "03:04:54", "start": "03:04:50", "text": "we're not aware of, and they're testing"}, {"end": "03:04:56", "start": "03:04:52", "text": "these types of things. So would you just"}, {"end": "03:04:59", "start": "03:04:54", "text": "admit that we have this a massive"}, {"end": "03:05:00", "start": "03:04:56", "text": "advantage against our near powers? Or"}, {"end": "03:05:03", "start": "03:04:59", "text": "would you then invent a narrative that"}, {"end": "03:05:05", "start": "03:05:00", "text": "aliens are stalking us? It's a fog of"}, {"end": "03:05:06", "start": "03:05:03", "text": "war. So that could be a thing. It's just"}, {"end": "03:05:08", "start": "03:05:05", "text": "kind of like all the drones running"}, {"end": "03:05:10", "start": "03:05:06", "text": "around the other day in New Jersey and"}, {"end": "03:05:13", "start": "03:05:08", "text": "all these other places right after uh"}, {"end": "03:05:14", "start": "03:05:10", "text": "Trump uh one. Who the hell knows? We"}, {"end": "03:05:16", "start": "03:05:13", "text": "still haven't really gotten a good"}, {"end": "03:05:18", "start": "03:05:14", "text": "explanation for all this, you know? So"}, {"end": "03:05:19", "start": "03:05:16", "text": "like did somebody lose a nuke and"}, {"end": "03:05:21", "start": "03:05:18", "text": "they're flying them at night to look for"}, {"end": "03:05:23", "start": "03:05:19", "text": "background radiation? I mean, like there"}, {"end": "03:05:25", "start": "03:05:21", "text": "was like dirty bomb rumors and all this"}, {"end": "03:05:27", "start": "03:05:23", "text": "other stuff and everybody had an opinion"}, {"end": "03:05:29", "start": "03:05:25", "text": "about it, you know, and and who the hell"}, {"end": "03:05:31", "start": "03:05:27", "text": "knows what the real story was. So, you"}, {"end": "03:05:34", "start": "03:05:29", "text": "see stuff like that. Where it's"}, {"end": "03:05:36", "start": "03:05:31", "text": "meaningful is um if something is"}, {"end": "03:05:38", "start": "03:05:34", "text": "actually recovered and we actually get"}, {"end": "03:05:41", "start": "03:05:36", "text": "to analyze it. That's what I care about."}, {"end": "03:05:43", "start": "03:05:38", "text": "Like if I see some high entropy alloy or"}, {"end": "03:05:45", "start": "03:05:41", "text": "some exotic material like metallic"}, {"end": "03:05:47", "start": "03:05:43", "text": "hydrogen or something like that that we"}, {"end": "03:05:50", "start": "03:05:45", "text": "can't make and we don't understand how"}, {"end": "03:05:52", "start": "03:05:47", "text": "to make at scale. If we have that, then"}, {"end": "03:05:56", "start": "03:05:50", "text": "that's meaningful because now we can use"}, {"end": "03:05:58", "start": "03:05:52", "text": "that, we can analyze that, we can we can"}, {"end": "03:06:01", "start": "03:05:56", "text": "backward engineer it and perhaps then"}, {"end": "03:06:03", "start": "03:05:58", "text": "gain something of value. We can't really"}, {"end": "03:06:05", "start": "03:06:01", "text": "do anything with these raw videos that"}, {"end": "03:06:08", "start": "03:06:03", "text": "we see. We can't really do anything with"}, {"end": "03:06:10", "start": "03:06:05", "text": "base speculation, you know, and um this"}, {"end": "03:06:12", "start": "03:06:08", "text": "this is why like consciousness is so"}, {"end": "03:06:15", "start": "03:06:10", "text": "interesting too when you it's it's a"}, {"end": "03:06:17", "start": "03:06:12", "text": "it's a parallel to aliens in many ways."}, {"end": "03:06:19", "start": "03:06:15", "text": "So consciousness is like this thing that"}, {"end": "03:06:20", "start": "03:06:17", "text": "everybody has an opinion on and there's"}, {"end": "03:06:22", "start": "03:06:19", "text": "all these things like integrated"}, {"end": "03:06:24", "start": "03:06:20", "text": "information theory and pansychism and"}, {"end": "03:06:26", "start": "03:06:22", "text": "and other concepts where you're like"}, {"end": "03:06:28", "start": "03:06:24", "text": "well is consciousness just an emergent"}, {"end": "03:06:30", "start": "03:06:26", "text": "property of your your brain cells"}, {"end": "03:06:31", "start": "03:06:28", "text": "working and doing things and it's"}, {"end": "03:06:34", "start": "03:06:30", "text": "completely encapsulated with the brain"}, {"end": "03:06:35", "start": "03:06:31", "text": "or is your mind more like an antenna and"}, {"end": "03:06:37", "start": "03:06:34", "text": "consciousness comes from some global"}, {"end": "03:06:39", "start": "03:06:35", "text": "commons and so people take psychedelics"}, {"end": "03:06:42", "start": "03:06:37", "text": "they're like well I'm seeing the same"}, {"end": "03:06:43", "start": "03:06:39", "text": "things on DMT as these guys over here"}, {"end": "03:06:45", "start": "03:06:42", "text": "and we're both sharing an altered state"}, {"end": "03:06:46", "start": "03:06:43", "text": "of consciousness we're not imagining it"}, {"end": "03:06:48", "start": "03:06:45", "text": "because I never talked to him"}, {"end": "03:06:50", "start": "03:06:46", "text": "beforehand. So why did he see the same"}, {"end": "03:06:52", "start": "03:06:48", "text": "thing I saw? The whole DMTL thing. But"}, {"end": "03:06:53", "start": "03:06:50", "text": "if consciousness is kind of like a"}, {"end": "03:06:55", "start": "03:06:52", "text": "global thing and you're changing your"}, {"end": "03:06:57", "start": "03:06:53", "text": "state of consciousness, you're retuning"}, {"end": "03:06:58", "start": "03:06:55", "text": "your antenna to a different frequency."}, {"end": "03:07:01", "start": "03:06:57", "text": "You're seeing something now, right?"}, {"end": "03:07:02", "start": "03:06:58", "text": "Okay. So maybe consciousness works this"}, {"end": "03:07:04", "start": "03:07:01", "text": "way or maybe it's just an emergent"}, {"end": "03:07:05", "start": "03:07:02", "text": "property of the brain and it's"}, {"end": "03:07:07", "start": "03:07:04", "text": "completely encapsulated there and that's"}, {"end": "03:07:09", "start": "03:07:05", "text": "is what it is."}, {"end": "03:07:11", "start": "03:07:07", "text": "What do you think? Well, you know,"}, {"end": "03:07:12", "start": "03:07:09", "text": "there's compelling evidence for uh"}, {"end": "03:07:14", "start": "03:07:11", "text": "consciousness being in the pansychism"}, {"end": "03:07:15", "start": "03:07:12", "text": "side. And if that's the case, it"}, {"end": "03:07:17", "start": "03:07:14", "text": "explains remote viewing. It explains"}, {"end": "03:07:19", "start": "03:07:15", "text": "telepathy. It explains all the things"}, {"end": "03:07:20", "start": "03:07:17", "text": "like there's this thing I saw on YouTube"}, {"end": "03:07:22", "start": "03:07:19", "text": "that a friend of mine uh the neural"}, {"end": "03:07:25", "start": "03:07:20", "text": "meditation institute. We did some work"}, {"end": "03:07:27", "start": "03:07:22", "text": "with him years ago, Dr. Jeffrey Tarant"}, {"end": "03:07:30", "start": "03:07:25", "text": "um where he did these uh studies with"}, {"end": "03:07:32", "start": "03:07:27", "text": "non-verbal autistic kids and uh they"}, {"end": "03:07:34", "start": "03:07:30", "text": "basically had so bonded to their"}, {"end": "03:07:36", "start": "03:07:32", "text": "caregivers, they had basically a"}, {"end": "03:07:38", "start": "03:07:34", "text": "telepathic bond with their caregivers."}, {"end": "03:07:40", "start": "03:07:36", "text": "So they actually tested it. So what they"}, {"end": "03:07:42", "start": "03:07:38", "text": "would do is the caregiver would look at"}, {"end": "03:07:44", "start": "03:07:40", "text": "a number and the kid would be in front"}, {"end": "03:07:45", "start": "03:07:42", "text": "of them and uh and then the kid would"}, {"end": "03:07:47", "start": "03:07:44", "text": "have an iPad or something like that and"}, {"end": "03:07:49", "start": "03:07:45", "text": "as the caregiver looks at the number the"}, {"end": "03:07:51", "start": "03:07:47", "text": "kid would type the number into the iPad"}, {"end": "03:07:53", "start": "03:07:49", "text": "and they did round after round after"}, {"end": "03:07:54", "start": "03:07:51", "text": "round and it's just incredible to see"}, {"end": "03:07:56", "start": "03:07:53", "text": "these things and I and as soon as I saw"}, {"end": "03:07:58", "start": "03:07:54", "text": "it I called Trent and I said what Jeff"}, {"end": "03:07:59", "start": "03:07:56", "text": "what the hell's going on? He's like yeah"}, {"end": "03:08:01", "start": "03:07:58", "text": "it just blew my mind. So there's all"}, {"end": "03:08:02", "start": "03:07:59", "text": "these YouTube videos where you can"}, {"end": "03:08:04", "start": "03:08:01", "text": "actually see the uh the kids doing this"}, {"end": "03:08:06", "start": "03:08:02", "text": "type of thing. Well, that makes no sense"}, {"end": "03:08:09", "start": "03:08:04", "text": "if consciousness is an emergent property"}, {"end": "03:08:11", "start": "03:08:06", "text": "of just the brain. But it makes a lot of"}, {"end": "03:08:13", "start": "03:08:09", "text": "sense if pansychism has something to do"}, {"end": "03:08:15", "start": "03:08:11", "text": "with it because then you have to have"}, {"end": "03:08:17", "start": "03:08:13", "text": "some sort of mechanism for the brain to"}, {"end": "03:08:18", "start": "03:08:15", "text": "communicate that we don't know. And"}, {"end": "03:08:21", "start": "03:08:17", "text": "there's a wonderful physicist named"}, {"end": "03:08:24", "start": "03:08:18", "text": "Roger Penrose who came up with this uh"}, {"end": "03:08:25", "start": "03:08:21", "text": "orch theory the uh this idea that these"}, {"end": "03:08:27", "start": "03:08:24", "text": "microtubules in the brain are like a"}, {"end": "03:08:28", "start": "03:08:25", "text": "quantum computer. And if that's the"}, {"end": "03:08:30", "start": "03:08:27", "text": "case, you you could do quantum"}, {"end": "03:08:32", "start": "03:08:28", "text": "entanglement. And so you can entangle"}, {"end": "03:08:34", "start": "03:08:30", "text": "with people and you can entangle with"}, {"end": "03:08:36", "start": "03:08:32", "text": "like a a different consciousness. So if"}, {"end": "03:08:38", "start": "03:08:34", "text": "you can figure out that code, well then"}, {"end": "03:08:40", "start": "03:08:36", "text": "you can transmit information. So then"}, {"end": "03:08:41", "start": "03:08:38", "text": "suddenly telepathy makes sense and"}, {"end": "03:08:43", "start": "03:08:40", "text": "remote viewing makes sense and all these"}, {"end": "03:08:45", "start": "03:08:41", "text": "mystical things that we've been talking"}, {"end": "03:08:47", "start": "03:08:43", "text": "about for years and psychedelic people"}, {"end": "03:08:48", "start": "03:08:45", "text": "talk about that all fits in there saying"}, {"end": "03:08:50", "start": "03:08:47", "text": "well we're just retuning your antenna,"}, {"end": "03:08:52", "start": "03:08:48", "text": "your microtubules and tuning that"}, {"end": "03:08:55", "start": "03:08:50", "text": "computer to now have the ability to"}, {"end": "03:08:56", "start": "03:08:52", "text": "connect better to other things. So you"}, {"end": "03:08:59", "start": "03:08:55", "text": "see different things and information can"}, {"end": "03:09:01", "start": "03:08:56", "text": "transfer these different things. So"}, {"end": "03:09:04", "start": "03:08:59", "text": "maybe that's true, maybe it's not true."}, {"end": "03:09:06", "start": "03:09:01", "text": "It also explains why it's so hard to uh"}, {"end": "03:09:07", "start": "03:09:04", "text": "to prove it exists because if it's"}, {"end": "03:09:09", "start": "03:09:06", "text": "quantum entanglement, it doesn't travel"}, {"end": "03:09:11", "start": "03:09:07", "text": "through a medium. So there's no"}, {"end": "03:09:13", "start": "03:09:09", "text": "electromagnetic radiation or anything."}, {"end": "03:09:15", "start": "03:09:11", "text": "So these like these James Randy SK"}, {"end": "03:09:16", "start": "03:09:13", "text": "professional skeptics guys when they put"}, {"end": "03:09:18", "start": "03:09:15", "text": "you in a room and they say, \"Well,"}, {"end": "03:09:19", "start": "03:09:16", "text": "there's no signals coming out. So what's"}, {"end": "03:09:21", "start": "03:09:18", "text": "the mechanism of action of the"}, {"end": "03:09:23", "start": "03:09:19", "text": "telepathy?\" Well, if it's quantum"}, {"end": "03:09:24", "start": "03:09:21", "text": "entanglement, you'll never see it"}, {"end": "03:09:27", "start": "03:09:23", "text": "because it's it's over an arbitrary"}, {"end": "03:09:29", "start": "03:09:24", "text": "distance and uh it's basically instant."}, {"end": "03:09:32", "start": "03:09:27", "text": "It's it's basically faster than light."}, {"end": "03:09:34", "start": "03:09:29", "text": "So, there's great books like one is"}, {"end": "03:09:36", "start": "03:09:32", "text": "irreducible from Federico Fagen and then"}, {"end": "03:09:37", "start": "03:09:34", "text": "um and he was the inventor of the"}, {"end": "03:09:39", "start": "03:09:36", "text": "microprocessor that talks about this and"}, {"end": "03:09:41", "start": "03:09:37", "text": "there's there's dozens of others that"}, {"end": "03:09:42", "start": "03:09:39", "text": "kind of float around where they're kind"}, {"end": "03:09:44", "start": "03:09:41", "text": "of exploring the art of the possible and"}, {"end": "03:09:46", "start": "03:09:42", "text": "it was a big scientific taboo. Everybody"}, {"end": "03:09:47", "start": "03:09:44", "text": "was so damn mechanistic and scientism"}, {"end": "03:09:50", "start": "03:09:46", "text": "they're like if I can't see it, it"}, {"end": "03:09:51", "start": "03:09:47", "text": "doesn't exist to me. Um, but now people"}, {"end": "03:09:54", "start": "03:09:50", "text": "are starting to reevaluate things and"}, {"end": "03:09:56", "start": "03:09:51", "text": "say, \"Well, okay, let's imagine if this"}, {"end": "03:09:58", "start": "03:09:54", "text": "was possible, what would then have to be"}, {"end": "03:10:01", "start": "03:09:56", "text": "true?\" And then how do we test it? Like"}, {"end": "03:10:02", "start": "03:09:58", "text": "here's something I'm going to do. I"}, {"end": "03:10:04", "start": "03:10:01", "text": "invested in this company called"}, {"end": "03:10:06", "start": "03:10:02", "text": "Immortal. Um, and they build these"}, {"end": "03:10:08", "start": "03:10:04", "text": "amazing chambers that are multimodal."}, {"end": "03:10:10", "start": "03:10:06", "text": "They like it's like a almost like a"}, {"end": "03:10:12", "start": "03:10:08", "text": "tanning bed. lay in it and it's got"}, {"end": "03:10:14", "start": "03:10:10", "text": "pulseed electromagnetic fields and it's"}, {"end": "03:10:16", "start": "03:10:12", "text": "got red light and it's got viro acoustic"}, {"end": "03:10:19", "start": "03:10:14", "text": "and it's got molecular hydrogen and it's"}, {"end": "03:10:22", "start": "03:10:16", "text": "got you know sonic all this cool stuff"}, {"end": "03:10:24", "start": "03:10:19", "text": "and uh the guys who started it are like"}, {"end": "03:10:26", "start": "03:10:22", "text": "really into some of these out there"}, {"end": "03:10:28", "start": "03:10:24", "text": "ideas including remote viewing and so I"}, {"end": "03:10:29", "start": "03:10:26", "text": "said you know it'd be really cool is to"}, {"end": "03:10:31", "start": "03:10:28", "text": "partner with the Monroe Institute"}, {"end": "03:10:33", "start": "03:10:29", "text": "because they did all the CIA stuff from"}, {"end": "03:10:36", "start": "03:10:31", "text": "like the 70s to the '9s with project"}, {"end": "03:10:37", "start": "03:10:33", "text": "Stargate and this all this other stuff"}, {"end": "03:10:38", "start": "03:10:36", "text": "and there's still some of those old CIA"}, {"end": "03:10:40", "start": "03:10:37", "text": "guys floating around. They're actually"}, {"end": "03:10:43", "start": "03:10:38", "text": "teaching at the Monroe Institute and I"}, {"end": "03:10:44", "start": "03:10:40", "text": "got this big ass ranch, you know, 11,000"}, {"end": "03:10:47", "start": "03:10:43", "text": "acres. So, why don't we do this? Why"}, {"end": "03:10:49", "start": "03:10:44", "text": "don't I just go randomly bury caches of"}, {"end": "03:10:50", "start": "03:10:47", "text": "things and mark them and and put them on"}, {"end": "03:10:52", "start": "03:10:49", "text": "the ranch and run the guys through the"}, {"end": "03:10:54", "start": "03:10:50", "text": "remote viewing training program and see"}, {"end": "03:10:56", "start": "03:10:52", "text": "if they actually can find those caches?"}, {"end": "03:10:58", "start": "03:10:54", "text": "What's the probability of finding like a"}, {"end": "03:11:00", "start": "03:10:56", "text": "needle in a hay stack in this whole"}, {"end": "03:11:02", "start": "03:10:58", "text": "thing? So, if remote viewing works, you"}, {"end": "03:11:04", "start": "03:11:00", "text": "know, there's at least a chance that"}, {"end": "03:11:06", "start": "03:11:02", "text": "they could find this type of thing. So,"}, {"end": "03:11:07", "start": "03:11:04", "text": "uh, the reason I bring up immortal is"}, {"end": "03:11:09", "start": "03:11:06", "text": "that they're actually even thinking, is"}, {"end": "03:11:11", "start": "03:11:07", "text": "there a path to use those modalities in"}, {"end": "03:11:13", "start": "03:11:09", "text": "that chamber because it's flirting with"}, {"end": "03:11:15", "start": "03:11:11", "text": "altered states of consciousness. If you"}, {"end": "03:11:16", "start": "03:11:13", "text": "vibrate a brain in just the right way"}, {"end": "03:11:18", "start": "03:11:15", "text": "and use magnets in just the right way,"}, {"end": "03:11:20", "start": "03:11:16", "text": "you could actually knock a person into a"}, {"end": "03:11:22", "start": "03:11:18", "text": "psychedelic state, you can create"}, {"end": "03:11:23", "start": "03:11:20", "text": "indogenous DMT, you can do all kinds of"}, {"end": "03:11:25", "start": "03:11:22", "text": "crazy things. Interesting. It's so out"}, {"end": "03:11:28", "start": "03:11:23", "text": "there. What's the name of this company?"}, {"end": "03:11:29", "start": "03:11:25", "text": "Immortal. A M M O R T L. And it's and"}, {"end": "03:11:31", "start": "03:11:28", "text": "there it's a lifestyle device right now,"}, {"end": "03:11:33", "start": "03:11:29", "text": "but you know there's a lot of medical"}, {"end": "03:11:34", "start": "03:11:31", "text": "use cases for these things for recovery"}, {"end": "03:11:36", "start": "03:11:33", "text": "and things because you have red light"}, {"end": "03:11:38", "start": "03:11:34", "text": "therapy with uh with viro acoustics and"}, {"end": "03:11:40", "start": "03:11:36", "text": "all these other things. So anyway, it"}, {"end": "03:11:41", "start": "03:11:38", "text": "just it's really cool to see what you"}, {"end": "03:11:44", "start": "03:11:40", "text": "can do with this technology cuz it's"}, {"end": "03:11:46", "start": "03:11:41", "text": "it's currently one lens, but you know,"}, {"end": "03:11:47", "start": "03:11:44", "text": "if we move over here, we might even be"}, {"end": "03:11:49", "start": "03:11:46", "text": "able to use it for remote viewing or use"}, {"end": "03:11:51", "start": "03:11:47", "text": "it for something else. Who knows if it"}, {"end": "03:11:53", "start": "03:11:49", "text": "works. Very interesting. You know, maybe"}, {"end": "03:11:55", "start": "03:11:51", "text": "you could connect me with them. Oh, of"}, {"end": "03:11:57", "start": "03:11:53", "text": "course. Of course. I'd love to have a"}, {"end": "03:11:59", "start": "03:11:55", "text": "conversation. Yeah, they're super cool"}, {"end": "03:12:00", "start": "03:11:57", "text": "dudes and uh and and it since they"}, {"end": "03:12:02", "start": "03:11:59", "text": "launched it, they're selling it to"}, {"end": "03:12:03", "start": "03:12:00", "text": "everybody. Like professional sports"}, {"end": "03:12:05", "start": "03:12:02", "text": "teams are buying everything. I bought"}, {"end": "03:12:07", "start": "03:12:03", "text": "three of them just because I wanted one"}, {"end": "03:12:09", "start": "03:12:05", "text": "in my clinic. I have one at my office"}, {"end": "03:12:11", "start": "03:12:07", "text": "and then I sent one to the president of"}, {"end": "03:12:12", "start": "03:12:09", "text": "one of my companies cuz she really liked"}, {"end": "03:12:15", "start": "03:12:11", "text": "it and I gave it to her for a Christmas"}, {"end": "03:12:17", "start": "03:12:12", "text": "gift. 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We're talking about"}, {"end": "03:14:48", "start": "03:14:43", "text": "consciousness, extraterrestrials,"}, {"end": "03:14:50", "start": "03:14:46", "text": "remote viewing, all kinds of stuff. And"}, {"end": "03:14:54", "start": "03:14:48", "text": "so we you had mentioned psychedelics"}, {"end": "03:14:56", "start": "03:14:50", "text": "briefly. Have you have you done any"}, {"end": "03:14:58", "start": "03:14:54", "text": "psychedelic type therapy? So I took"}, {"end": "03:15:00", "start": "03:14:56", "text": "kennamine last year and that was a wild"}, {"end": "03:15:03", "start": "03:14:58", "text": "trip. Um you know I I'd always been"}, {"end": "03:15:05", "start": "03:15:00", "text": "fascinated with psychedelics and um I"}, {"end": "03:15:06", "start": "03:15:03", "text": "have a lot because I went to school SU"}, {"end": "03:15:08", "start": "03:15:05", "text": "Boulder. Come on, it's like a big party"}, {"end": "03:15:10", "start": "03:15:06", "text": "school. Like everybody's done something"}, {"end": "03:15:12", "start": "03:15:08", "text": "somewhere at some point. Uh but you know"}, {"end": "03:15:14", "start": "03:15:10", "text": "I came from a medical family and came"}, {"end": "03:15:15", "start": "03:15:12", "text": "from a traditional medical family. So"}, {"end": "03:15:16", "start": "03:15:14", "text": "there was always kind of a dreary view"}, {"end": "03:15:18", "start": "03:15:15", "text": "on psychedelics. Oh well these"}, {"end": "03:15:20", "start": "03:15:16", "text": "psychedelics do bad things or things"}, {"end": "03:15:22", "start": "03:15:18", "text": "like that or you know they're they're"}, {"end": "03:15:24", "start": "03:15:20", "text": "the best case scenario kind of like a"}, {"end": "03:15:26", "start": "03:15:22", "text": "party thing as opposed to like an"}, {"end": "03:15:28", "start": "03:15:24", "text": "enlightenment thing. Uh so I didn't take"}, {"end": "03:15:31", "start": "03:15:26", "text": "it very seriously in kind of the first"}, {"end": "03:15:33", "start": "03:15:28", "text": "part of my life. But then as I got older"}, {"end": "03:15:35", "start": "03:15:31", "text": "one of the unfortunate consequences that"}, {"end": "03:15:37", "start": "03:15:33", "text": "anybody who's well traveled is you pick"}, {"end": "03:15:39", "start": "03:15:35", "text": "up a lot of friends and acquaintances"}, {"end": "03:15:41", "start": "03:15:37", "text": "who get damaged by circumstances. Maybe"}, {"end": "03:15:42", "start": "03:15:39", "text": "they have a traumatic event or they go"}, {"end": "03:15:44", "start": "03:15:41", "text": "to war and then they come back and"}, {"end": "03:15:47", "start": "03:15:42", "text": "they're all messed up. So as you see"}, {"end": "03:15:48", "start": "03:15:44", "text": "people get damaged, they they try to"}, {"end": "03:15:50", "start": "03:15:47", "text": "heal themselves in the conventional"}, {"end": "03:15:53", "start": "03:15:48", "text": "traditional way and then it doesn't"}, {"end": "03:15:55", "start": "03:15:50", "text": "work. So then they try other things and"}, {"end": "03:15:56", "start": "03:15:53", "text": "um almost always somebody tries a"}, {"end": "03:15:59", "start": "03:15:55", "text": "psychedelic, you know, like they go on"}, {"end": "03:16:02", "start": "03:15:56", "text": "an Iawaska journey or a bogga or they"}, {"end": "03:16:05", "start": "03:15:59", "text": "take uh you know DMT or they take uh you"}, {"end": "03:16:06", "start": "03:16:02", "text": "know psilocybin or measculine and then"}, {"end": "03:16:08", "start": "03:16:05", "text": "they come back and then if they have the"}, {"end": "03:16:10", "start": "03:16:06", "text": "right set and setting it really changes"}, {"end": "03:16:12", "start": "03:16:08", "text": "them. So after I started noticing that,"}, {"end": "03:16:14", "start": "03:16:10", "text": "I read Michael Polland's book, you know,"}, {"end": "03:16:16", "start": "03:16:12", "text": "how to change your mind and he's a great"}, {"end": "03:16:17", "start": "03:16:14", "text": "guy and I said, \"Wow, there's a there"}, {"end": "03:16:19", "start": "03:16:16", "text": "there's something interesting.\" So then"}, {"end": "03:16:20", "start": "03:16:17", "text": "I started going down the rabbit hole and"}, {"end": "03:16:23", "start": "03:16:19", "text": "I love plants and so I said, \"Well,"}, {"end": "03:16:24", "start": "03:16:20", "text": "micology looks like a lot of fun.\" So I"}, {"end": "03:16:26", "start": "03:16:23", "text": "read everything from Paul Stams and you"}, {"end": "03:16:28", "start": "03:16:24", "text": "know, I started going through his stuff"}, {"end": "03:16:31", "start": "03:16:26", "text": "and learn how to cultivate mushrooms and"}, {"end": "03:16:33", "start": "03:16:28", "text": "these types of things. Uh, and knowing"}, {"end": "03:16:35", "start": "03:16:31", "text": "the micology community, you you kind of"}, {"end": "03:16:37", "start": "03:16:33", "text": "get to know the psychedelics community"}, {"end": "03:16:38", "start": "03:16:35", "text": "really well because as they say, \"Oh,"}, {"end": "03:16:40", "start": "03:16:37", "text": "no, we do different things.\" Well, you"}, {"end": "03:16:42", "start": "03:16:38", "text": "know, you all you guys do the"}, {"end": "03:16:43", "start": "03:16:40", "text": "psychedelics, too. Come on now. Uh, so"}, {"end": "03:16:45", "start": "03:16:42", "text": "you get to talk to all those guys. So,"}, {"end": "03:16:47", "start": "03:16:43", "text": "I'd always had that intellectual"}, {"end": "03:16:49", "start": "03:16:45", "text": "curiosity, but I didn't really have a"}, {"end": "03:16:51", "start": "03:16:47", "text": "really effective way to engage with"}, {"end": "03:16:53", "start": "03:16:49", "text": "intellectual curiosity. I I was always"}, {"end": "03:16:55", "start": "03:16:51", "text": "busy and I didn't want to go and, you"}, {"end": "03:16:56", "start": "03:16:53", "text": "know, take Iawaska or something cuz I"}, {"end": "03:16:58", "start": "03:16:55", "text": "said, well, I have this company. I have"}, {"end": "03:17:00", "start": "03:16:56", "text": "all these people that rely upon me. If I"}, {"end": "03:17:02", "start": "03:16:58", "text": "go off on this spiritual journey, what"}, {"end": "03:17:03", "start": "03:17:00", "text": "if I radically change as a human being"}, {"end": "03:17:05", "start": "03:17:02", "text": "and I come back and I say, I've sworn"}, {"end": "03:17:07", "start": "03:17:03", "text": "off all wealth and I'm just going to"}, {"end": "03:17:08", "start": "03:17:05", "text": "sell my property and these types of"}, {"end": "03:17:10", "start": "03:17:07", "text": "things. So, I said, \"No, you know, I"}, {"end": "03:17:12", "start": "03:17:08", "text": "should probably wait.\" But then I'm"}, {"end": "03:17:13", "start": "03:17:10", "text": "friends with Dave Asprey and uh Dave"}, {"end": "03:17:15", "start": "03:17:12", "text": "told me, \"Hey, you got to try out this"}, {"end": "03:17:17", "start": "03:17:13", "text": "40 years of Zen and we've added ketamine"}, {"end": "03:17:18", "start": "03:17:15", "text": "to it and I said,\"All right, that sounds"}, {"end": "03:17:21", "start": "03:17:17", "text": "fun. I'll go try it out.\" So, I went to"}, {"end": "03:17:24", "start": "03:17:18", "text": "Washington for 5 days and I did his"}, {"end": "03:17:26", "start": "03:17:21", "text": "program. And I took um the ketamine with"}, {"end": "03:17:28", "start": "03:17:24", "text": "it for four of the five days. And it was"}, {"end": "03:17:30", "start": "03:17:26", "text": "a wild trip. You know, you're like in"}, {"end": "03:17:32", "start": "03:17:28", "text": "this pod and you you know, you have your"}, {"end": "03:17:33", "start": "03:17:30", "text": "brain is hooked up to an EEG so you can"}, {"end": "03:17:36", "start": "03:17:32", "text": "actually see your brain signals while"}, {"end": "03:17:38", "start": "03:17:33", "text": "you're on a ketamine trip. uh and uh and"}, {"end": "03:17:39", "start": "03:17:36", "text": "then you have your earphones on and they"}, {"end": "03:17:42", "start": "03:17:38", "text": "give you an injection and then you just"}, {"end": "03:17:44", "start": "03:17:39", "text": "kind of sit back and ketamine makes you"}, {"end": "03:17:48", "start": "03:17:42", "text": "disassociate. So it's a disembodiing"}, {"end": "03:17:50", "start": "03:17:44", "text": "drug and so you you you kind of it gets"}, {"end": "03:17:51", "start": "03:17:48", "text": "dark and then suddenly you lift off and"}, {"end": "03:17:53", "start": "03:17:50", "text": "then you're just kind of in a different"}, {"end": "03:17:55", "start": "03:17:51", "text": "place and you no longer feel the"}, {"end": "03:17:57", "start": "03:17:53", "text": "sensation of proprioception. You're not"}, {"end": "03:17:59", "start": "03:17:55", "text": "in your own body. You're basically in a"}, {"end": "03:18:01", "start": "03:17:57", "text": "different body. And the first time I did"}, {"end": "03:18:03", "start": "03:17:59", "text": "it, it was kind of like a journey, you"}, {"end": "03:18:04", "start": "03:18:01", "text": "know, just you're on a roller coaster."}, {"end": "03:18:07", "start": "03:18:03", "text": "you're going to all these different"}, {"end": "03:18:09", "start": "03:18:04", "text": "experiences and places. But then as I"}, {"end": "03:18:11", "start": "03:18:07", "text": "adapted and learned more about the"}, {"end": "03:18:13", "start": "03:18:09", "text": "ketamine trip because we did it multiple"}, {"end": "03:18:15", "start": "03:18:11", "text": "times throughout the week, then I was"}, {"end": "03:18:16", "start": "03:18:13", "text": "able to get a little bit more agency, a"}, {"end": "03:18:18", "start": "03:18:15", "text": "little bit more control over the"}, {"end": "03:18:20", "start": "03:18:16", "text": "journey. So it went from a totally"}, {"end": "03:18:22", "start": "03:18:18", "text": "automated thing to you have some sort of"}, {"end": "03:18:23", "start": "03:18:20", "text": "influence and control. And they said,"}, {"end": "03:18:25", "start": "03:18:22", "text": "well, there's intentionality is a big"}, {"end": "03:18:27", "start": "03:18:23", "text": "deal with this. If you kind of go into"}, {"end": "03:18:29", "start": "03:18:25", "text": "the trip with some intentions, you can"}, {"end": "03:18:31", "start": "03:18:27", "text": "change it a little bit. And so the most"}, {"end": "03:18:33", "start": "03:18:29", "text": "surreal thing happened that Thursday,"}, {"end": "03:18:36", "start": "03:18:31", "text": "which was the uh third day I was taking"}, {"end": "03:18:37", "start": "03:18:33", "text": "it, where I just basically embodied a"}, {"end": "03:18:39", "start": "03:18:36", "text": "wolf. I don't know why it happened, but"}, {"end": "03:18:42", "start": "03:18:37", "text": "I was like an actual wolf and like in a"}, {"end": "03:18:43", "start": "03:18:39", "text": "forest running and chasing a rabbit and"}, {"end": "03:18:45", "start": "03:18:42", "text": "I had the smell of a wolf like I could"}, {"end": "03:18:47", "start": "03:18:43", "text": "actually smell it scent and run through"}, {"end": "03:18:50", "start": "03:18:45", "text": "and it's like all the sensations doing"}, {"end": "03:18:52", "start": "03:18:47", "text": "all the things and it was just so out"}, {"end": "03:18:55", "start": "03:18:50", "text": "there and uh I come back and I say I"}, {"end": "03:18:56", "start": "03:18:52", "text": "don't know what the hell this means."}, {"end": "03:18:58", "start": "03:18:55", "text": "took a little while to discombobulate"}, {"end": "03:18:59", "start": "03:18:56", "text": "and you know you know figure out these"}, {"end": "03:19:01", "start": "03:18:58", "text": "types of things. But what was really"}, {"end": "03:19:07", "start": "03:18:59", "text": "nice about it was that after coming out"}, {"end": "03:19:09", "start": "03:19:01", "text": "the other side, I uh had this tremendous"}, {"end": "03:19:11", "start": "03:19:07", "text": "release of stress and tension. You you"}, {"end": "03:19:14", "start": "03:19:09", "text": "know, I I had built up 10 years of"}, {"end": "03:19:17", "start": "03:19:11", "text": "founderitis, all the betrayals and the"}, {"end": "03:19:20", "start": "03:19:14", "text": "boardroom brawls and like traveling and"}, {"end": "03:19:23", "start": "03:19:17", "text": "anger and like [\u00a0__\u00a0] I had to deal with."}, {"end": "03:19:24", "start": "03:19:20", "text": "It had aged me prematurely. And and the"}, {"end": "03:19:26", "start": "03:19:23", "text": "person who was there is like, \"You look"}, {"end": "03:19:27", "start": "03:19:24", "text": "10 years younger.\" And I looked at"}, {"end": "03:19:29", "start": "03:19:26", "text": "photographs actually before and after"}, {"end": "03:19:31", "start": "03:19:27", "text": "and he was like, \"Damn, I actually do"}, {"end": "03:19:35", "start": "03:19:29", "text": "look a lot light younger and lighter and"}, {"end": "03:19:38", "start": "03:19:31", "text": "and I regained a sense of joy and I"}, {"end": "03:19:40", "start": "03:19:35", "text": "regained a sense of of lightness, for"}, {"end": "03:19:41", "start": "03:19:38", "text": "lack of a better term. I felt young"}, {"end": "03:19:43", "start": "03:19:40", "text": "again, you know.\" Was that your"}, {"end": "03:19:45", "start": "03:19:41", "text": "intention to do that in the beginning?"}, {"end": "03:19:46", "start": "03:19:43", "text": "It was just was it straight adventure?"}, {"end": "03:19:48", "start": "03:19:45", "text": "It was straight adventure. Well, it was"}, {"end": "03:19:50", "start": "03:19:46", "text": "more like I just wanted to see what"}, {"end": "03:19:52", "start": "03:19:48", "text": "would happen with it cuz I I had read"}, {"end": "03:19:53", "start": "03:19:50", "text": "about it and I was trying to understand"}, {"end": "03:19:55", "start": "03:19:52", "text": "like biochemically what happens in the"}, {"end": "03:19:57", "start": "03:19:53", "text": "brain and these types of things and you"}, {"end": "03:19:59", "start": "03:19:55", "text": "know I meditate meditate with EEG"}, {"end": "03:20:02", "start": "03:19:57", "text": "assisted meditation so you know I have"}, {"end": "03:20:04", "start": "03:19:59", "text": "like a muse and other devices like"}, {"end": "03:20:06", "start": "03:20:02", "text": "neurosity and these things and so I'm"}, {"end": "03:20:07", "start": "03:20:04", "text": "able to actually see my brain waves and"}, {"end": "03:20:09", "start": "03:20:06", "text": "control them and these types of things"}, {"end": "03:20:13", "start": "03:20:07", "text": "and elevate alpha or gamma or these"}, {"end": "03:20:15", "start": "03:20:09", "text": "things but I I never really thought that"}, {"end": "03:20:17", "start": "03:20:13", "text": "that outcome would would occur with"}, {"end": "03:20:19", "start": "03:20:15", "text": "that. And I said, there's there's a"}, {"end": "03:20:21", "start": "03:20:17", "text": "there there. This is very powerful. And"}, {"end": "03:20:24", "start": "03:20:19", "text": "ketamine is kind of like the the entry"}, {"end": "03:20:26", "start": "03:20:21", "text": "point. It's a very easy drug to take."}, {"end": "03:20:28", "start": "03:20:24", "text": "It's very safe. It's FDA approved. It's"}, {"end": "03:20:31", "start": "03:20:26", "text": "a schedule three drug, so it's legal."}, {"end": "03:20:32", "start": "03:20:28", "text": "Um, and any doctor can prescribe it and"}, {"end": "03:20:34", "start": "03:20:31", "text": "use it. A lot of nurse practitioners use"}, {"end": "03:20:35", "start": "03:20:32", "text": "it. It's used in battlefield medicine a"}, {"end": "03:20:36", "start": "03:20:34", "text": "lot. If you're like an 18 Delta, you're"}, {"end": "03:20:38", "start": "03:20:35", "text": "going to have it in your kit. When"}, {"end": "03:20:39", "start": "03:20:36", "text": "somebody's legs are blown off, you give"}, {"end": "03:20:40", "start": "03:20:38", "text": "them some ketamine so that they"}, {"end": "03:20:42", "start": "03:20:39", "text": "disassociate and you can get them out"}, {"end": "03:20:45", "start": "03:20:40", "text": "and they uh they don't feel in horrible"}, {"end": "03:20:47", "start": "03:20:42", "text": "pain. uh you know it was originally"}, {"end": "03:20:49", "start": "03:20:45", "text": "designed for kids as an anesthetic. Uh"}, {"end": "03:20:51", "start": "03:20:47", "text": "so it's one of those drugs that's a very"}, {"end": "03:20:53", "start": "03:20:49", "text": "good entry point into the whole"}, {"end": "03:20:56", "start": "03:20:51", "text": "conversation and so I got so fascinated"}, {"end": "03:20:57", "start": "03:20:53", "text": "with it you know I I said you know I"}, {"end": "03:20:59", "start": "03:20:56", "text": "would like to somehow integrate this"}, {"end": "03:21:01", "start": "03:20:57", "text": "into our healthc care clinic and use it"}, {"end": "03:21:02", "start": "03:20:59", "text": "for depression treatment and we now have"}, {"end": "03:21:04", "start": "03:21:01", "text": "a team of people that are kind of"}, {"end": "03:21:06", "start": "03:21:02", "text": "calling people and trying to figure out"}, {"end": "03:21:08", "start": "03:21:04", "text": "like how would we do that modality but"}, {"end": "03:21:10", "start": "03:21:06", "text": "more generally there's what's really"}, {"end": "03:21:12", "start": "03:21:08", "text": "interesting is this whole concept of"}, {"end": "03:21:14", "start": "03:21:10", "text": "disassociation and time expansion."}, {"end": "03:21:15", "start": "03:21:12", "text": "There's another drug that I've never"}, {"end": "03:21:16", "start": "03:21:14", "text": "tried, but I've talked to some people"}, {"end": "03:21:18", "start": "03:21:15", "text": "that have done it, and I've read a lot"}, {"end": "03:21:21", "start": "03:21:16", "text": "of firsthand accounts. It's called"}, {"end": "03:21:23", "start": "03:21:18", "text": "Salvia, and it has one of the strangest"}, {"end": "03:21:25", "start": "03:21:21", "text": "properties where the high salvia salvia."}, {"end": "03:21:29", "start": "03:21:23", "text": "Yeah. It's a it's a plant, and it has"}, {"end": "03:21:30", "start": "03:21:25", "text": "this uh property of time expansion. So"}, {"end": "03:21:32", "start": "03:21:29", "text": "you take it and the high only lasts like"}, {"end": "03:21:33", "start": "03:21:30", "text": "two minutes or three minutes or"}, {"end": "03:21:37", "start": "03:21:32", "text": "something like that. But you'll"}, {"end": "03:21:41", "start": "03:21:33", "text": "experience hours or in some cases days,"}, {"end": "03:21:44", "start": "03:21:37", "text": "some cases weeks, some cases months of"}, {"end": "03:21:46", "start": "03:21:41", "text": "some event. So like one person like"}, {"end": "03:21:48", "start": "03:21:44", "text": "lived another person's life. He was in"}, {"end": "03:21:51", "start": "03:21:46", "text": "Alaska and then he just woke up as"}, {"end": "03:21:52", "start": "03:21:48", "text": "another person in Texas like working at"}, {"end": "03:21:54", "start": "03:21:51", "text": "Walmart, had a family and all this and"}, {"end": "03:21:56", "start": "03:21:52", "text": "for months and months and months this"}, {"end": "03:21:57", "start": "03:21:54", "text": "thing goes on. Then he wakes back up and"}, {"end": "03:21:59", "start": "03:21:56", "text": "his body in Alaska is like where's my"}, {"end": "03:22:01", "start": "03:21:57", "text": "wife and kids? What? What the [\u00a0__\u00a0] This"}, {"end": "03:22:04", "start": "03:21:59", "text": "is crazy. I've heard about this. Yeah,"}, {"end": "03:22:05", "start": "03:22:01", "text": "I've heard about I was talking with uh"}, {"end": "03:22:07", "start": "03:22:04", "text": "some friends of mine a couple months"}, {"end": "03:22:10", "start": "03:22:05", "text": "ago. They I think they said that that"}, {"end": "03:22:14", "start": "03:22:07", "text": "was 5 MO DMT. Yeah. That they that that"}, {"end": "03:22:16", "start": "03:22:10", "text": "the time expansion experience. Time"}, {"end": "03:22:21", "start": "03:22:14", "text": "expansion. And that this guy had had"}, {"end": "03:22:24", "start": "03:22:16", "text": "taken had smoked the 5 MO DMT, right?"}, {"end": "03:22:26", "start": "03:22:21", "text": "had this"}, {"end": "03:22:29", "start": "03:22:24", "text": "had experienced this whole other life"}, {"end": "03:22:32", "start": "03:22:26", "text": "with a different wife, kids, all these"}, {"end": "03:22:35", "start": "03:22:29", "text": "different things and it lasted. Yeah."}, {"end": "03:22:38", "start": "03:22:32", "text": "They said 10, 15 minutes maybe, right?"}, {"end": "03:22:42", "start": "03:22:35", "text": "And he woke up and still to this day he"}, {"end": "03:22:45", "start": "03:22:38", "text": "misses the life the entire lifespan that"}, {"end": "03:22:47", "start": "03:22:42", "text": "he had experienced within you a matter"}, {"end": "03:22:49", "start": "03:22:45", "text": "of minutes, right? Which is nuts. It's"}, {"end": "03:22:50", "start": "03:22:47", "text": "like that Captain Bquard thing with the"}, {"end": "03:22:52", "start": "03:22:49", "text": "inner light in Star Trek the Next"}, {"end": "03:22:53", "start": "03:22:50", "text": "Generation where the probe hits him and"}, {"end": "03:22:56", "start": "03:22:52", "text": "then he lives another person's life and"}, {"end": "03:22:58", "start": "03:22:53", "text": "over like a 17-minute period. It it's"}, {"end": "03:23:00", "start": "03:22:56", "text": "like that's fantasy. It's fiction. But"}, {"end": "03:23:03", "start": "03:22:58", "text": "then you you have five DMT and you know"}, {"end": "03:23:04", "start": "03:23:00", "text": "the frog venom and then you have uh you"}, {"end": "03:23:06", "start": "03:23:03", "text": "have Salvia and there's other drugs that"}, {"end": "03:23:07", "start": "03:23:04", "text": "do this. And somebody even wrote a book"}, {"end": "03:23:09", "start": "03:23:06", "text": "about it called time expansion"}, {"end": "03:23:11", "start": "03:23:07", "text": "experiences. I think it was Steven Tyler"}, {"end": "03:23:13", "start": "03:23:09", "text": "Taylor or something. I forget his name."}, {"end": "03:23:15", "start": "03:23:11", "text": "He was a psychologist cuz he was so fast"}, {"end": "03:23:18", "start": "03:23:13", "text": "and he got in a traffic accident and"}, {"end": "03:23:20", "start": "03:23:15", "text": "like life just slowed down dramatically"}, {"end": "03:23:22", "start": "03:23:18", "text": "and even though it was a very short"}, {"end": "03:23:24", "start": "03:23:20", "text": "period of time, it felt like a really"}, {"end": "03:23:26", "start": "03:23:22", "text": "really long period of time. And it was"}, {"end": "03:23:28", "start": "03:23:24", "text": "curious like why does that happen? Why"}, {"end": "03:23:31", "start": "03:23:26", "text": "does your perception change of time so"}, {"end": "03:23:33", "start": "03:23:28", "text": "radically change? Uh and what substances"}, {"end": "03:23:35", "start": "03:23:31", "text": "and techniques could you use to do such"}, {"end": "03:23:37", "start": "03:23:33", "text": "a thing? Either to speed it up or to"}, {"end": "03:23:38", "start": "03:23:35", "text": "slow it down on demand. And some of"}, {"end": "03:23:40", "start": "03:23:37", "text": "these substances are so powerful that"}, {"end": "03:23:42", "start": "03:23:38", "text": "they disassociate. So you leave your"}, {"end": "03:23:45", "start": "03:23:40", "text": "body and become something else. But then"}, {"end": "03:23:48", "start": "03:23:42", "text": "also they expand time. So a short period"}, {"end": "03:23:50", "start": "03:23:45", "text": "becomes a very long period and you tend"}, {"end": "03:23:53", "start": "03:23:48", "text": "to wonder okay if that does happen"}, {"end": "03:23:55", "start": "03:23:50", "text": "what's sticky about that. So there's the"}, {"end": "03:23:58", "start": "03:23:53", "text": "concept of experiencing but then there's"}, {"end": "03:24:00", "start": "03:23:55", "text": "the concept of memory formation. So you"}, {"end": "03:24:01", "start": "03:23:58", "text": "experience it but do you retain what"}, {"end": "03:24:03", "start": "03:24:00", "text": "happened during that time period and how"}, {"end": "03:24:05", "start": "03:24:01", "text": "much is possible to retain you know what"}, {"end": "03:24:08", "start": "03:24:03", "text": "happened during that time period. Uh so"}, {"end": "03:24:10", "start": "03:24:05", "text": "it's just wild. Uh, and it makes me sad"}, {"end": "03:24:12", "start": "03:24:08", "text": "that these substances are mostly banned"}, {"end": "03:24:14", "start": "03:24:10", "text": "because that means they're lost to us"}, {"end": "03:24:16", "start": "03:24:12", "text": "from a research perspective because when"}, {"end": "03:24:17", "start": "03:24:14", "text": "you hear this account, the first thing"}, {"end": "03:24:20", "start": "03:24:16", "text": "you think about if you're a scientist"}, {"end": "03:24:22", "start": "03:24:17", "text": "is, well, how do I study that? I I want"}, {"end": "03:24:23", "start": "03:24:20", "text": "to know why that happens. I want to know"}, {"end": "03:24:26", "start": "03:24:22", "text": "the mechanism of action. I want to"}, {"end": "03:24:28", "start": "03:24:23", "text": "understand is it a dial we can play"}, {"end": "03:24:29", "start": "03:24:26", "text": "with? Because there's so many use cases."}, {"end": "03:24:31", "start": "03:24:28", "text": "Think about the special operations"}, {"end": "03:24:34", "start": "03:24:29", "text": "community. If you're in a, you know, in"}, {"end": "03:24:36", "start": "03:24:31", "text": "a in a a combat setting and you have the"}, {"end": "03:24:38", "start": "03:24:34", "text": "ability to slow down time and perceive"}, {"end": "03:24:41", "start": "03:24:36", "text": "time at an accelerated pace, that's a"}, {"end": "03:24:43", "start": "03:24:38", "text": "gargantuan tactical advantage over"}, {"end": "03:24:44", "start": "03:24:41", "text": "everybody else cuz you're acting"}, {"end": "03:24:46", "start": "03:24:43", "text": "considered and deliberate. And I would"}, {"end": "03:24:47", "start": "03:24:44", "text": "have never thought of that. Yeah. But"}, {"end": "03:24:49", "start": "03:24:46", "text": "just think about that. You're like"}, {"end": "03:24:51", "start": "03:24:47", "text": "breaching something and you're walking"}, {"end": "03:24:53", "start": "03:24:49", "text": "in and your perception is 10 times"}, {"end": "03:24:55", "start": "03:24:51", "text": "faster or 100 times faster than somebody"}, {"end": "03:24:58", "start": "03:24:53", "text": "else. That's the very same mechanism of"}, {"end": "03:25:01", "start": "03:24:55", "text": "action as that salvia making you live"}, {"end": "03:25:03", "start": "03:24:58", "text": "like a lifetime in two minutes. You see,"}, {"end": "03:25:05", "start": "03:25:01", "text": "so there's real value to these types of"}, {"end": "03:25:07", "start": "03:25:03", "text": "things in in all these different or"}, {"end": "03:25:10", "start": "03:25:05", "text": "first responders like a police officer"}, {"end": "03:25:12", "start": "03:25:07", "text": "trying to make a snap decision. Do I use"}, {"end": "03:25:14", "start": "03:25:10", "text": "lethal force or or not? You know, is"}, {"end": "03:25:16", "start": "03:25:12", "text": "this person a threat or not? You know,"}, {"end": "03:25:18", "start": "03:25:14", "text": "almost all these wrongful death things,"}, {"end": "03:25:20", "start": "03:25:16", "text": "it's never black and white. It's, you"}, {"end": "03:25:22", "start": "03:25:18", "text": "know, the person's charging you. Well,"}, {"end": "03:25:24", "start": "03:25:20", "text": "did I really need to shoot him? Could I"}, {"end": "03:25:26", "start": "03:25:22", "text": "have done something else? You think that"}, {"end": "03:25:28", "start": "03:25:24", "text": "the time actually does slow down? Yeah,"}, {"end": "03:25:30", "start": "03:25:26", "text": "your perception of it and not time slows"}, {"end": "03:25:32", "start": "03:25:28", "text": "down, but your perception of it. Because"}, {"end": "03:25:34", "start": "03:25:30", "text": "think of it like a computer processor."}, {"end": "03:25:36", "start": "03:25:32", "text": "It's got a clock speed and operates much"}, {"end": "03:25:39", "start": "03:25:34", "text": "faster than a human brain does in terms"}, {"end": "03:25:42", "start": "03:25:36", "text": "of the hertz. So, we both experience"}, {"end": "03:25:45", "start": "03:25:39", "text": "time objectively in our reference frame"}, {"end": "03:25:46", "start": "03:25:42", "text": "roughly speaking the same. But the"}, {"end": "03:25:48", "start": "03:25:45", "text": "difference is the amount of things it"}, {"end": "03:25:50", "start": "03:25:46", "text": "can do in that time, the amount of"}, {"end": "03:25:54", "start": "03:25:48", "text": "actions it can take, decisions it can"}, {"end": "03:25:56", "start": "03:25:50", "text": "make is millions of times more. So is"}, {"end": "03:25:58", "start": "03:25:54", "text": "there a way with the human brain"}, {"end": "03:26:00", "start": "03:25:56", "text": "hardware to kind of speed it up so that"}, {"end": "03:26:01", "start": "03:25:58", "text": "you can actually do more in the same"}, {"end": "03:26:03", "start": "03:26:00", "text": "amount of time or perceive more in the"}, {"end": "03:26:06", "start": "03:26:01", "text": "same amount of time? In fact, this is an"}, {"end": "03:26:10", "start": "03:26:03", "text": "indie aging when you look at so if I'm"}, {"end": "03:26:12", "start": "03:26:06", "text": "if we're sitting here and I mean I go to"}, {"end": "03:26:14", "start": "03:26:10", "text": "a combat environment because that's my"}, {"end": "03:26:17", "start": "03:26:12", "text": "background, but if we're sitting here"}, {"end": "03:26:19", "start": "03:26:14", "text": "and I take salvia and you don't and"}, {"end": "03:26:22", "start": "03:26:17", "text": "we're experience this, we're"}, {"end": "03:26:25", "start": "03:26:19", "text": "experiencing the same baseline because"}, {"end": "03:26:27", "start": "03:26:22", "text": "it's also disassociative and so you lose"}, {"end": "03:26:29", "start": "03:26:25", "text": "uh your sense of self and you go"}, {"end": "03:26:31", "start": "03:26:27", "text": "somewhere else. Mhm. You need a"}, {"end": "03:26:33", "start": "03:26:29", "text": "substance that is time expanding but"}, {"end": "03:26:36", "start": "03:26:31", "text": "non-dissociative"}, {"end": "03:26:38", "start": "03:26:33", "text": "to do such a thing."}, {"end": "03:26:42", "start": "03:26:36", "text": "And we're experiencing the same time. So"}, {"end": "03:26:42", "start": "03:26:38", "text": "are you saying that"}, {"end": "03:26:47", "start": "03:26:42", "text": "I don't know how to put this. Are you"}, {"end": "03:26:50", "start": "03:26:44", "text": "saying that my perception of time"}, {"end": "03:26:52", "start": "03:26:47", "text": "being on the substance is compared to"}, {"end": "03:26:55", "start": "03:26:50", "text": "you who's not on the substance? I'm able"}, {"end": "03:26:55", "start": "03:26:52", "text": "to"}, {"end": "03:27:00", "start": "03:26:56", "text": "use that time more efficiently to make"}, {"end": "03:27:02", "start": "03:26:58", "text": "more effective decisions faster, but it"}, {"end": "03:27:05", "start": "03:27:00", "text": "seems slower. My perception of time"}, {"end": "03:27:07", "start": "03:27:02", "text": "actually seems much slower. And a lot of"}, {"end": "03:27:09", "start": "03:27:05", "text": "people in professional sports or who"}, {"end": "03:27:11", "start": "03:27:07", "text": "have been in a crisis event record at"}, {"end": "03:27:12", "start": "03:27:09", "text": "least once in their life that something"}, {"end": "03:27:15", "start": "03:27:11", "text": "has happened where time seemed to slow"}, {"end": "03:27:16", "start": "03:27:12", "text": "down and a lot of things occurred and"}, {"end": "03:27:18", "start": "03:27:15", "text": "they perceived all those things like it"}, {"end": "03:27:20", "start": "03:27:16", "text": "was yesterday even though it was only"}, {"end": "03:27:22", "start": "03:27:18", "text": "actually maybe one or two seconds. So"}, {"end": "03:27:24", "start": "03:27:20", "text": "maybe you get shot and you remember that"}, {"end": "03:27:27", "start": "03:27:22", "text": "really distinctly or maybe you get in a"}, {"end": "03:27:29", "start": "03:27:24", "text": "car accident or you're in a football"}, {"end": "03:27:31", "start": "03:27:27", "text": "player at the Super Bowl and and you see"}, {"end": "03:27:32", "start": "03:27:29", "text": "the ball coming at you and you catch it"}, {"end": "03:27:35", "start": "03:27:31", "text": "in the end zone and it's like it's an"}, {"end": "03:27:36", "start": "03:27:32", "text": "eternity but it only was like a one and"}, {"end": "03:27:38", "start": "03:27:35", "text": "a half seconds or something like that."}, {"end": "03:27:40", "start": "03:27:36", "text": "But it was a big deal because your your"}, {"end": "03:27:43", "start": "03:27:38", "text": "perception is so hyperfocused and you're"}, {"end": "03:27:44", "start": "03:27:40", "text": "in such a flow state that your brain is"}, {"end": "03:27:46", "start": "03:27:43", "text": "operating on a different clock length"}, {"end": "03:27:48", "start": "03:27:44", "text": "for these types of things. So those"}, {"end": "03:27:50", "start": "03:27:46", "text": "expansion experiences are are"}, {"end": "03:27:51", "start": "03:27:48", "text": "tremendously valuable. The problem is"}, {"end": "03:27:53", "start": "03:27:50", "text": "that they're unpredictable. Like how do"}, {"end": "03:27:56", "start": "03:27:51", "text": "you knock yourself into that state? You"}, {"end": "03:27:58", "start": "03:27:53", "text": "know, can you do it just through focused"}, {"end": "03:28:00", "start": "03:27:56", "text": "attention or does it require some"}, {"end": "03:28:02", "start": "03:27:58", "text": "pharmacological intervention or maybe"}, {"end": "03:28:03", "start": "03:28:00", "text": "electrical, you know, like you shock the"}, {"end": "03:28:05", "start": "03:28:02", "text": "brain with transcranial direct"}, {"end": "03:28:06", "start": "03:28:03", "text": "electrical stimulation or magnetic"}, {"end": "03:28:08", "start": "03:28:05", "text": "stimulation and it can knock the brain"}, {"end": "03:28:10", "start": "03:28:06", "text": "into that state. It's a really"}, {"end": "03:28:12", "start": "03:28:08", "text": "interesting thing. And so psychedelics,"}, {"end": "03:28:13", "start": "03:28:10", "text": "they seem to present that it's possible"}, {"end": "03:28:16", "start": "03:28:12", "text": "because when you take these substances,"}, {"end": "03:28:18", "start": "03:28:13", "text": "people can live another lifetime or"}, {"end": "03:28:20", "start": "03:28:16", "text": "perceive time and then objectively"}, {"end": "03:28:21", "start": "03:28:18", "text": "speaking only a small window of things."}, {"end": "03:28:23", "start": "03:28:20", "text": "But they're like, \"Dude, I experienced"}, {"end": "03:28:26", "start": "03:28:21", "text": "it. I was there every day. I was getting"}, {"end": "03:28:28", "start": "03:28:23", "text": "up and driving to work at Walmart. You"}, {"end": "03:28:30", "start": "03:28:26", "text": "know, I was going to my kids graduation."}, {"end": "03:28:32", "start": "03:28:28", "text": "I was doing things.\" Okay, it's it was a"}, {"end": "03:28:34", "start": "03:28:30", "text": "lot of time. You know, I felt that time,"}, {"end": "03:28:35", "start": "03:28:32", "text": "but they're like, \"Dude, you you're gone"}, {"end": "03:28:37", "start": "03:28:34", "text": "for 2 minutes.\" It's like, there's no"}, {"end": "03:28:38", "start": "03:28:35", "text": "way that could have happened. So,"}, {"end": "03:28:41", "start": "03:28:37", "text": "there's something there."}, {"end": "03:28:44", "start": "03:28:38", "text": "What do you think that the mind is t is"}, {"end": "03:28:45", "start": "03:28:41", "text": "tapping into? I just think because again"}, {"end": "03:28:48", "start": "03:28:44", "text": "it's a clock speed like if you're"}, {"end": "03:28:51", "start": "03:28:45", "text": "running a simulation of a civilization"}, {"end": "03:28:52", "start": "03:28:48", "text": "for example on a computer you can run"}, {"end": "03:28:55", "start": "03:28:51", "text": "thousands of years or millions of years"}, {"end": "03:28:57", "start": "03:28:52", "text": "of a simulation and that doesn't take"}, {"end": "03:28:59", "start": "03:28:55", "text": "millions of years to run the simulation."}, {"end": "03:29:01", "start": "03:28:57", "text": "You can run that simulation in like an"}, {"end": "03:29:04", "start": "03:28:59", "text": "hour or something like that. So if you"}, {"end": "03:29:07", "start": "03:29:01", "text": "can speed up the clock inside the brain"}, {"end": "03:29:09", "start": "03:29:04", "text": "then the perception of that time is"}, {"end": "03:29:11", "start": "03:29:07", "text": "different even though the the absolute"}, {"end": "03:29:13", "start": "03:29:09", "text": "elapse time is the same. Does that make"}, {"end": "03:29:15", "start": "03:29:11", "text": "sense? Mhm. Yeah. And so I think that's"}, {"end": "03:29:16", "start": "03:29:13", "text": "probably part of it is that there's some"}, {"end": "03:29:18", "start": "03:29:15", "text": "mechanism where you can speed up the"}, {"end": "03:29:20", "start": "03:29:16", "text": "circuitry and from an evolutionary"}, {"end": "03:29:21", "start": "03:29:18", "text": "viewpoint it makes a lot of sense"}, {"end": "03:29:24", "start": "03:29:20", "text": "because all the time you're context"}, {"end": "03:29:25", "start": "03:29:21", "text": "shifting in the fight or flight. So,"}, {"end": "03:29:27", "start": "03:29:24", "text": "while you're hunting the the woolly"}, {"end": "03:29:30", "start": "03:29:25", "text": "mammoth or, you know, hunting the the"}, {"end": "03:29:32", "start": "03:29:27", "text": "the predator, you need to be super in"}, {"end": "03:29:34", "start": "03:29:30", "text": "the zone and super focused and you need"}, {"end": "03:29:37", "start": "03:29:32", "text": "an evolutionary advantage to be able to"}, {"end": "03:29:38", "start": "03:29:34", "text": "perceive that thing faster cuz even a"}, {"end": "03:29:40", "start": "03:29:37", "text": "split-second difference can mean the"}, {"end": "03:29:42", "start": "03:29:38", "text": "difference between you killing it and it"}, {"end": "03:29:43", "start": "03:29:40", "text": "killing you. So, you need some circuitry"}, {"end": "03:29:45", "start": "03:29:42", "text": "that gives you the ability to zero in."}, {"end": "03:29:47", "start": "03:29:43", "text": "But that's probably super energy"}, {"end": "03:29:50", "start": "03:29:45", "text": "intensive and super stressful on the"}, {"end": "03:29:51", "start": "03:29:47", "text": "body. So, if you ran in that state 24/7,"}, {"end": "03:29:53", "start": "03:29:50", "text": "it'd kill you. It's just like an"}, {"end": "03:29:55", "start": "03:29:51", "text": "adrenaline rush. you get adrenal failure"}, {"end": "03:29:57", "start": "03:29:53", "text": "and it burns you out, you know. So, you"}, {"end": "03:29:58", "start": "03:29:55", "text": "have to have a context shifting thing"}, {"end": "03:30:00", "start": "03:29:57", "text": "and it's probably an evolutionary"}, {"end": "03:30:01", "start": "03:29:58", "text": "trigger that puts you in which is why"}, {"end": "03:30:04", "start": "03:30:00", "text": "they tend to be TEES tend to be"}, {"end": "03:30:06", "start": "03:30:01", "text": "associated with stress events, major"}, {"end": "03:30:09", "start": "03:30:04", "text": "stress events, um both positive and"}, {"end": "03:30:10", "start": "03:30:06", "text": "negative. Uh but just because it's an"}, {"end": "03:30:12", "start": "03:30:09", "text": "evolutionary thing doesn't mean it's not"}, {"end": "03:30:14", "start": "03:30:10", "text": "controllable. So, there's probably a"}, {"end": "03:30:17", "start": "03:30:12", "text": "mechanism of action to control something"}, {"end": "03:30:18", "start": "03:30:14", "text": "like that. And so it's a really it's a"}, {"end": "03:30:20", "start": "03:30:17", "text": "really fascinating thing to me and I"}, {"end": "03:30:22", "start": "03:30:18", "text": "wish I had more time to you know kind of"}, {"end": "03:30:24", "start": "03:30:20", "text": "dig into it and understand it better"}, {"end": "03:30:26", "start": "03:30:22", "text": "because I'm just kind of at the surface"}, {"end": "03:30:28", "start": "03:30:24", "text": "level but looking into psychedelics it"}, {"end": "03:30:30", "start": "03:30:26", "text": "kind of inadvertently made me start"}, {"end": "03:30:32", "start": "03:30:28", "text": "thinking about those types of things and"}, {"end": "03:30:34", "start": "03:30:30", "text": "I said yeah you know that that does"}, {"end": "03:30:36", "start": "03:30:32", "text": "exist that that does happen you know and"}, {"end": "03:30:38", "start": "03:30:34", "text": "I've met tons of people and I've"}, {"end": "03:30:41", "start": "03:30:36", "text": "experienced a few myself where time just"}, {"end": "03:30:44", "start": "03:30:38", "text": "seemed to slow down uh my brother cut"}, {"end": "03:30:47", "start": "03:30:41", "text": "his finger uh when we were both kids and"}, {"end": "03:30:49", "start": "03:30:44", "text": "I remember it was in the bathroom and uh"}, {"end": "03:30:51", "start": "03:30:47", "text": "you know I could see the blood droplets"}, {"end": "03:30:54", "start": "03:30:49", "text": "come out of his finger and like slowly"}, {"end": "03:30:57", "start": "03:30:51", "text": "travel and then drop to the ground and"}, {"end": "03:30:59", "start": "03:30:54", "text": "it it was probably you know 1 and 1/2"}, {"end": "03:31:01", "start": "03:30:57", "text": "seconds or 2 seconds but it felt like a"}, {"end": "03:31:03", "start": "03:30:59", "text": "whole minute and I remember that you"}, {"end": "03:31:06", "start": "03:31:01", "text": "know I was like probably 9 years old 10"}, {"end": "03:31:10", "start": "03:31:03", "text": "years old when uh when that occurred uh"}, {"end": "03:31:12", "start": "03:31:06", "text": "so uh so there's some there's a there"}, {"end": "03:31:14", "start": "03:31:10", "text": "there and it fascinates me whenever I"}, {"end": "03:31:16", "start": "03:31:12", "text": "stumble on these things. What about the"}, {"end": "03:31:18", "start": "03:31:14", "text": "disassociation from self? Well, that's"}, {"end": "03:31:19", "start": "03:31:16", "text": "interesting, too. And I think it's"}, {"end": "03:31:21", "start": "03:31:18", "text": "valuable for a different reason. So,"}, {"end": "03:31:24", "start": "03:31:19", "text": "disassociation"}, {"end": "03:31:26", "start": "03:31:21", "text": "is a delusion of ego. You know, we think"}, {"end": "03:31:29", "start": "03:31:24", "text": "I am Charles Hoskins and you are Shawn"}, {"end": "03:31:31", "start": "03:31:26", "text": "Ry, we are that. Okay. Well, if you get"}, {"end": "03:31:33", "start": "03:31:29", "text": "too caught up in who you are, then it"}, {"end": "03:31:35", "start": "03:31:31", "text": "becomes exceedingly difficult to have"}, {"end": "03:31:38", "start": "03:31:33", "text": "empathy for other people because you're"}, {"end": "03:31:40", "start": "03:31:35", "text": "you're just you and like I am supreme."}, {"end": "03:31:42", "start": "03:31:38", "text": "You I'm here. So like, yes, everybody"}, {"end": "03:31:43", "start": "03:31:40", "text": "else is there and they exist, but you"}, {"end": "03:31:44", "start": "03:31:42", "text": "know, I got to take care of myself"}, {"end": "03:31:46", "start": "03:31:43", "text": "first. You going to put my mask on"}, {"end": "03:31:49", "start": "03:31:44", "text": "before I put their mask on. Well, when"}, {"end": "03:31:52", "start": "03:31:46", "text": "you disassociate, you for the first time"}, {"end": "03:31:54", "start": "03:31:49", "text": "ever give up on the idea of just"}, {"end": "03:31:56", "start": "03:31:52", "text": "exclusively you and you start thinking"}, {"end": "03:31:58", "start": "03:31:54", "text": "of the we or the us, cuz you could"}, {"end": "03:32:01", "start": "03:31:56", "text": "technically be anybody. Like imagine if"}, {"end": "03:32:04", "start": "03:31:58", "text": "you know hypothetical that uh there was"}, {"end": "03:32:06", "start": "03:32:01", "text": "a random chance maybe 1% that every time"}, {"end": "03:32:08", "start": "03:32:04", "text": "you woke up instead of waking up in this"}, {"end": "03:32:10", "start": "03:32:06", "text": "body you'd wake up in a different body"}, {"end": "03:32:12", "start": "03:32:08", "text": "in a different life. Like imagine how"}, {"end": "03:32:14", "start": "03:32:10", "text": "different the world would be just just"}, {"end": "03:32:16", "start": "03:32:12", "text": "for something like that. So you're like"}, {"end": "03:32:17", "start": "03:32:14", "text": "you're a billionaire life is great and"}, {"end": "03:32:18", "start": "03:32:16", "text": "then you wake up and you're in a jail"}, {"end": "03:32:20", "start": "03:32:17", "text": "cell and you're someone else's life."}, {"end": "03:32:23", "start": "03:32:18", "text": "You're like what the [\u00a0__\u00a0] just happened?"}, {"end": "03:32:24", "start": "03:32:20", "text": "And that just would occur and uh and"}, {"end": "03:32:26", "start": "03:32:23", "text": "maybe you're in the jail cell and now"}, {"end": "03:32:29", "start": "03:32:24", "text": "you wake up in the billionaire's body,"}, {"end": "03:32:31", "start": "03:32:26", "text": "right? you swap places. So, we would"}, {"end": "03:32:33", "start": "03:32:29", "text": "probably have radically different social"}, {"end": "03:32:35", "start": "03:32:31", "text": "systems and religions and radically"}, {"end": "03:32:37", "start": "03:32:33", "text": "different notions of self in this"}, {"end": "03:32:38", "start": "03:32:35", "text": "particular case because we're starting"}, {"end": "03:32:41", "start": "03:32:37", "text": "to think, well, hang on a second here."}, {"end": "03:32:44", "start": "03:32:38", "text": "Self is now divorced from our body and"}, {"end": "03:32:45", "start": "03:32:41", "text": "it can go to other places. So, we would"}, {"end": "03:32:48", "start": "03:32:44", "text": "probably have a much stronger conception"}, {"end": "03:32:51", "start": "03:32:45", "text": "of the soul than we currently do as"}, {"end": "03:32:54", "start": "03:32:48", "text": "people. So disassociation is is kind of"}, {"end": "03:32:55", "start": "03:32:51", "text": "like a a psychedelic shortcut in a in a"}, {"end": "03:32:57", "start": "03:32:54", "text": "certain way because if you disassociate"}, {"end": "03:33:00", "start": "03:32:55", "text": "and you become something else, then you"}, {"end": "03:33:02", "start": "03:32:57", "text": "start entertaining a world where you are"}, {"end": "03:33:03", "start": "03:33:00", "text": "somewhere else but your body is there"}, {"end": "03:33:05", "start": "03:33:02", "text": "and then is that really your body"}, {"end": "03:33:06", "start": "03:33:03", "text": "anymore or was that just a meat suit"}, {"end": "03:33:08", "start": "03:33:05", "text": "that you were wearing and you can go and"}, {"end": "03:33:10", "start": "03:33:06", "text": "wear another meat suit or maybe you"}, {"end": "03:33:12", "start": "03:33:08", "text": "don't even need the meat suit or you"}, {"end": "03:33:14", "start": "03:33:10", "text": "know something like this. So it's a it's"}, {"end": "03:33:16", "start": "03:33:12", "text": "a very powerful concept and actually in"}, {"end": "03:33:18", "start": "03:33:14", "text": "darkness retreats um this is one of the"}, {"end": "03:33:21", "start": "03:33:16", "text": "things that happens when people go for a"}, {"end": "03:33:23", "start": "03:33:18", "text": "long period of time they lose sense of"}, {"end": "03:33:25", "start": "03:33:21", "text": "self because they no longer see"}, {"end": "03:33:27", "start": "03:33:23", "text": "themselves. They start making DMT in"}, {"end": "03:33:31", "start": "03:33:25", "text": "their brain. They start disassociating"}, {"end": "03:33:34", "start": "03:33:27", "text": "and um they they basically shed the skin"}, {"end": "03:33:35", "start": "03:33:31", "text": "and they start living kind of a more"}, {"end": "03:33:37", "start": "03:33:34", "text": "ephemeral world because the darkness"}, {"end": "03:33:40", "start": "03:33:35", "text": "there's no sensory perception. your"}, {"end": "03:33:41", "start": "03:33:37", "text": "brain can no longer orient itself and"}, {"end": "03:33:43", "start": "03:33:40", "text": "you just go to a different place with"}, {"end": "03:33:45", "start": "03:33:41", "text": "that. And uh all these people that do"}, {"end": "03:33:47", "start": "03:33:43", "text": "darkness retreats, they talk about it."}, {"end": "03:33:48", "start": "03:33:45", "text": "In fact, the Tibetans, they have this"}, {"end": "03:33:50", "start": "03:33:47", "text": "thing called the Bardau Thodall, the"}, {"end": "03:33:53", "start": "03:33:48", "text": "Tibetan book of the dead. And it was"}, {"end": "03:33:56", "start": "03:33:50", "text": "written by this like super Buddha dude,"}, {"end": "03:33:58", "start": "03:33:53", "text": "and who meditated so hard he kind of"}, {"end": "03:33:59", "start": "03:33:56", "text": "looked into the afterlife according to"}, {"end": "03:34:01", "start": "03:33:58", "text": "him. And he wrote down what happens"}, {"end": "03:34:03", "start": "03:33:59", "text": "after you die. And he said there's like"}, {"end": "03:34:05", "start": "03:34:01", "text": "these three stages you go through after"}, {"end": "03:34:07", "start": "03:34:03", "text": "your body shed and your soul is trying"}, {"end": "03:34:10", "start": "03:34:05", "text": "to decide whether to go and and be"}, {"end": "03:34:13", "start": "03:34:07", "text": "enlightened or be reincarnated. Uh and"}, {"end": "03:34:14", "start": "03:34:10", "text": "uh they do in Tibet darkness retreats"}, {"end": "03:34:16", "start": "03:34:13", "text": "for more than 40 days. They actually go"}, {"end": "03:34:18", "start": "03:34:14", "text": "into a dark cave and they live in a dark"}, {"end": "03:34:20", "start": "03:34:16", "text": "cave, no light, no thing to live their"}, {"end": "03:34:22", "start": "03:34:18", "text": "own death. And so they go through every"}, {"end": "03:34:24", "start": "03:34:20", "text": "stage of that process. It's brutal and"}, {"end": "03:34:25", "start": "03:34:22", "text": "horrible. But then when they come out"}, {"end": "03:34:27", "start": "03:34:24", "text": "the other side, they get enlightened and"}, {"end": "03:34:29", "start": "03:34:25", "text": "they get out of the cave. and they all"}, {"end": "03:34:31", "start": "03:34:27", "text": "report that there's like some concept of"}, {"end": "03:34:34", "start": "03:34:29", "text": "a disassociation and a delilution of"}, {"end": "03:34:37", "start": "03:34:31", "text": "oneself uh from it. So it's a it's a"}, {"end": "03:34:40", "start": "03:34:34", "text": "powerful concept and um it's high shelf,"}, {"end": "03:34:42", "start": "03:34:37", "text": "you know, it's uh it's it's scary"}, {"end": "03:34:44", "start": "03:34:40", "text": "because you know there's no comfort in"}, {"end": "03:34:45", "start": "03:34:42", "text": "losing what you are. It's all the things"}, {"end": "03:34:47", "start": "03:34:44", "text": "you've done, everything you've"}, {"end": "03:34:49", "start": "03:34:45", "text": "accomplished. You know, we're proud of"}, {"end": "03:34:50", "start": "03:34:47", "text": "the things we do. this room is filled"}, {"end": "03:34:52", "start": "03:34:49", "text": "with the things you've done and the"}, {"end": "03:34:54", "start": "03:34:50", "text": "people that you've met and this idea"}, {"end": "03:34:56", "start": "03:34:52", "text": "that it could all just disappear and it"}, {"end": "03:34:58", "start": "03:34:54", "text": "could all be gone. You know, but on the"}, {"end": "03:35:01", "start": "03:34:56", "text": "other hand, if you don't mind these"}, {"end": "03:35:04", "start": "03:34:58", "text": "things, then none of this around you"}, {"end": "03:35:06", "start": "03:35:01", "text": "controls you, you know, if my advantage"}, {"end": "03:35:08", "start": "03:35:04", "text": "of being a cryptocurrency billionaire is"}, {"end": "03:35:11", "start": "03:35:06", "text": "I was broken a billionaire three times"}, {"end": "03:35:12", "start": "03:35:08", "text": "in a 10-year period. So, it goes way up,"}, {"end": "03:35:14", "start": "03:35:11", "text": "it goes way down, goes way up, it goes"}, {"end": "03:35:16", "start": "03:35:12", "text": "way down. So, people ask me like, \"What"}, {"end": "03:35:18", "start": "03:35:14", "text": "would you do if you like lost all your"}, {"end": "03:35:20", "start": "03:35:16", "text": "money?\" And I said,\"I just go back to"}, {"end": "03:35:22", "start": "03:35:18", "text": "living in the apartment with the little"}, {"end": "03:35:23", "start": "03:35:20", "text": "stuffed giraffes behind me when I was"}, {"end": "03:35:25", "start": "03:35:22", "text": "doing the AMAs when I first got"}, {"end": "03:35:27", "start": "03:35:23", "text": "started.\" And they But how will you be"}, {"end": "03:35:29", "start": "03:35:25", "text": "happy? And I said, 'Well, I was pretty"}, {"end": "03:35:31", "start": "03:35:27", "text": "happy back then. Life was pretty good"}, {"end": "03:35:33", "start": "03:35:29", "text": "back then. I mean, I don't get to do as"}, {"end": "03:35:35", "start": "03:35:31", "text": "many cool things, but I did the cool"}, {"end": "03:35:37", "start": "03:35:33", "text": "things and I'd find something else to"}, {"end": "03:35:40", "start": "03:35:35", "text": "fill the time. So, I didn't really need"}, {"end": "03:35:42", "start": "03:35:37", "text": "that conception of a mega wealth to go"}, {"end": "03:35:44", "start": "03:35:40", "text": "perpetuate happiness or a specific"}, {"end": "03:35:46", "start": "03:35:42", "text": "lifestyle to perpetuate happiness"}, {"end": "03:35:47", "start": "03:35:44", "text": "because I know I just have this sense"}, {"end": "03:35:50", "start": "03:35:46", "text": "that no matter what happens, it'll be"}, {"end": "03:35:52", "start": "03:35:47", "text": "okay. And I think that dissolution is is"}, {"end": "03:35:55", "start": "03:35:50", "text": "is one of those major steps to helping"}, {"end": "03:35:56", "start": "03:35:52", "text": "people get there and accepting that"}, {"end": "03:35:58", "start": "03:35:55", "text": "everything is impermanient and there's"}, {"end": "03:36:00", "start": "03:35:56", "text": "losses. The another things the Buddhists"}, {"end": "03:36:02", "start": "03:35:58", "text": "do, I love it when they do these things"}, {"end": "03:36:04", "start": "03:36:00", "text": "because they worship imperience. Are do"}, {"end": "03:36:06", "start": "03:36:02", "text": "you know what a sand mandola is? Mm-m."}, {"end": "03:36:08", "start": "03:36:04", "text": "It I'm going to This bothers the hell"}, {"end": "03:36:11", "start": "03:36:06", "text": "out of me. Like the mere existence of"}, {"end": "03:36:14", "start": "03:36:08", "text": "this bothers me, and I shouldn't, but it"}, {"end": "03:36:16", "start": "03:36:11", "text": "does. So, these monks will meticulously"}, {"end": "03:36:18", "start": "03:36:14", "text": "sit down for weeks and weeks and weeks"}, {"end": "03:36:21", "start": "03:36:16", "text": "and grain of sand by grain of sand,"}, {"end": "03:36:24", "start": "03:36:18", "text": "colored grains of sand, sit down and put"}, {"end": "03:36:26", "start": "03:36:21", "text": "together this beautiful sand tapestry."}, {"end": "03:36:28", "start": "03:36:24", "text": "It's called a sand mandelola on a table."}, {"end": "03:36:29", "start": "03:36:26", "text": "And usually they build it as a group."}, {"end": "03:36:31", "start": "03:36:28", "text": "And it's just absolutely stunning. It's"}, {"end": "03:36:33", "start": "03:36:29", "text": "like super artistic and nice because"}, {"end": "03:36:35", "start": "03:36:31", "text": "every single grain of sand has been set"}, {"end": "03:36:37", "start": "03:36:33", "text": "by hand by these guys. It's so"}, {"end": "03:36:40", "start": "03:36:35", "text": "meticulous and as soon as they finish"}, {"end": "03:36:42", "start": "03:36:37", "text": "it, they destroy it."}, {"end": "03:36:43", "start": "03:36:40", "text": "It's It's just like you see it just"}, {"end": "03:36:45", "start": "03:36:42", "text": "like, \"Oh, wow. That's so beautiful.\""}, {"end": "03:36:48", "start": "03:36:43", "text": "And then they just go, \"Sweet,"}, {"end": "03:36:48", "start": "03:36:45", "text": "sweetheart."}, {"end": "03:36:53", "start": "03:36:49", "text": "Stop it. It's a work of art. God damn"}, {"end": "03:36:55", "start": "03:36:51", "text": "it.\" And and the whole purpose of a sand"}, {"end": "03:36:57", "start": "03:36:53", "text": "mandela is to kind of like uh showcase"}, {"end": "03:36:59", "start": "03:36:55", "text": "the impermanence of all things. You"}, {"end": "03:37:02", "start": "03:36:57", "text": "know, everything must die. everything"}, {"end": "03:37:03", "start": "03:36:59", "text": "must come to an end and uh the joy is in"}, {"end": "03:37:05", "start": "03:37:02", "text": "the act of doing not in the act of"}, {"end": "03:37:08", "start": "03:37:03", "text": "preserving the act of doing and it's the"}, {"end": "03:37:10", "start": "03:37:05", "text": "experience of these types of things. So"}, {"end": "03:37:12", "start": "03:37:08", "text": "I I think there's there's some wisdom"}, {"end": "03:37:14", "start": "03:37:10", "text": "there and uh we in the western world"}, {"end": "03:37:15", "start": "03:37:12", "text": "we're not terribly comfortable with that"}, {"end": "03:37:18", "start": "03:37:14", "text": "because everything we do is trying to"}, {"end": "03:37:20", "start": "03:37:15", "text": "like preserve and make immortality. You"}, {"end": "03:37:21", "start": "03:37:18", "text": "know Ernest Becker wrote a lovely book"}, {"end": "03:37:23", "start": "03:37:20", "text": "called the denial of death and he says"}, {"end": "03:37:25", "start": "03:37:21", "text": "like the driving force of the modern"}, {"end": "03:37:28", "start": "03:37:23", "text": "world is this concept of immortality"}, {"end": "03:37:30", "start": "03:37:25", "text": "cults. we do everything in power to deny"}, {"end": "03:37:32", "start": "03:37:28", "text": "death. And if we can't physically do it,"}, {"end": "03:37:35", "start": "03:37:30", "text": "then we'll do it through a religion or"}, {"end": "03:37:36", "start": "03:37:32", "text": "we'll do it through monuments. And like,"}, {"end": "03:37:38", "start": "03:37:35", "text": "yeah, there's some truth to that. Like"}, {"end": "03:37:40", "start": "03:37:36", "text": "going to Egypt and seeing like the great"}, {"end": "03:37:42", "start": "03:37:38", "text": "pyramids and you see Kufu's pyramid,"}, {"end": "03:37:45", "start": "03:37:40", "text": "you're like, \"Wow, okay. 4,400 years"}, {"end": "03:37:47", "start": "03:37:42", "text": "ago, this guy built this gigantic thing"}, {"end": "03:37:49", "start": "03:37:45", "text": "just to try to deny death, you know, his"}, {"end": "03:37:51", "start": "03:37:47", "text": "his own death.\" That's pretty wild when"}, {"end": "03:37:53", "start": "03:37:49", "text": "you think about it. What do you think"}, {"end": "03:37:54", "start": "03:37:51", "text": "happens when we die? That's a good"}, {"end": "03:37:56", "start": "03:37:53", "text": "question. And I think the more"}, {"end": "03:37:58", "start": "03:37:54", "text": "meaningful question is, does it really"}, {"end": "03:38:01", "start": "03:37:56", "text": "matter? You know, it's one of those"}, {"end": "03:38:05", "start": "03:37:58", "text": "things you can't stop and uh and you're"}, {"end": "03:38:07", "start": "03:38:01", "text": "you're on that ride and you can't know"}, {"end": "03:38:10", "start": "03:38:05", "text": "until you get there. So, why should we"}, {"end": "03:38:11", "start": "03:38:07", "text": "let the next chapter influence the"}, {"end": "03:38:13", "start": "03:38:10", "text": "enjoyment of this chapter? It's kind of"}, {"end": "03:38:15", "start": "03:38:11", "text": "like you're reading a book and you're"}, {"end": "03:38:17", "start": "03:38:13", "text": "like, you know, I can't really enjoy"}, {"end": "03:38:20", "start": "03:38:15", "text": "chapter 1 because uh of something in"}, {"end": "03:38:22", "start": "03:38:17", "text": "chapter 2. Like, but you're not at"}, {"end": "03:38:24", "start": "03:38:20", "text": "chapter 2. Like, you're in chapter 1."}, {"end": "03:38:26", "start": "03:38:22", "text": "read that chapter and enjoy that chapter"}, {"end": "03:38:28", "start": "03:38:24", "text": "that that's there. Chapter two is it's"}, {"end": "03:38:30", "start": "03:38:26", "text": "somebody else's problem. It's it's uh"}, {"end": "03:38:32", "start": "03:38:28", "text": "it's it's you'll cross that bridge when"}, {"end": "03:38:35", "start": "03:38:30", "text": "you get to it. Cuz if you get obsessed"}, {"end": "03:38:37", "start": "03:38:32", "text": "with the end, then you end up spending"}, {"end": "03:38:39", "start": "03:38:35", "text": "wasting all the moments that you have"}, {"end": "03:38:41", "start": "03:38:37", "text": "here. You waste all the relationships,"}, {"end": "03:38:44", "start": "03:38:39", "text": "you waste all the interactions"}, {"end": "03:38:46", "start": "03:38:41", "text": "to to try to buy more time. Even if you"}, {"end": "03:38:48", "start": "03:38:44", "text": "live perfectly, you sleep right and"}, {"end": "03:38:51", "start": "03:38:46", "text": "don't have sleep apnea and you know you"}, {"end": "03:38:53", "start": "03:38:48", "text": "you work out every day and uh you do a"}, {"end": "03:38:56", "start": "03:38:51", "text": "great job and you low stress environment"}, {"end": "03:38:59", "start": "03:38:53", "text": "and healthy diet, you could just walk"}, {"end": "03:39:01", "start": "03:38:56", "text": "outside and be shot, you know, some"}, {"end": "03:39:03", "start": "03:38:59", "text": "random stray bullet from a bank robbery"}, {"end": "03:39:05", "start": "03:39:01", "text": "or something. You could be in a traffic"}, {"end": "03:39:07", "start": "03:39:03", "text": "accident. You know, I had a good friend"}, {"end": "03:39:09", "start": "03:39:05", "text": "and uh when he was 28 years old, he was"}, {"end": "03:39:10", "start": "03:39:07", "text": "driving his truck and you know, he was"}, {"end": "03:39:12", "start": "03:39:09", "text": "getting a little tired and and uh you"}, {"end": "03:39:15", "start": "03:39:10", "text": "know, as he was taking a left turn, a"}, {"end": "03:39:17", "start": "03:39:12", "text": "drunk driver came by and you know, just"}, {"end": "03:39:20", "start": "03:39:15", "text": "hit him and uh he got horrifically"}, {"end": "03:39:24", "start": "03:39:17", "text": "mangled up and died on the road, you"}, {"end": "03:39:26", "start": "03:39:20", "text": "know. And this guy, he was a a marathon"}, {"end": "03:39:29", "start": "03:39:24", "text": "runner. He perfect body, perfect health,"}, {"end": "03:39:31", "start": "03:39:26", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] vegan, annoying vegan, too. It's"}, {"end": "03:39:34", "start": "03:39:29", "text": "like it's like everything had to be like"}, {"end": "03:39:36", "start": "03:39:31", "text": "perfect. and and he always bragged about"}, {"end": "03:39:41", "start": "03:39:34", "text": "like how healthy he was every lab was"}, {"end": "03:39:42", "start": "03:39:36", "text": "perfect and he's done right so it's like"}, {"end": "03:39:44", "start": "03:39:41", "text": "should we worry so much about that"}, {"end": "03:39:46", "start": "03:39:42", "text": "because we don't know how chapter one is"}, {"end": "03:39:47", "start": "03:39:44", "text": "going to end it should be much more like"}, {"end": "03:39:49", "start": "03:39:46", "text": "what do you do to enjoy reading the"}, {"end": "03:39:52", "start": "03:39:47", "text": "chapter you know and then the rest will"}, {"end": "03:39:54", "start": "03:39:49", "text": "become evident um"}, {"end": "03:39:56", "start": "03:39:52", "text": "the other things you get fascinated with"}, {"end": "03:40:01", "start": "03:39:54", "text": "things though we're talking about"}, {"end": "03:40:02", "start": "03:39:56", "text": "bioluminescence plants the direwolf"}, {"end": "03:40:05", "start": "03:40:01", "text": "cryptocurrency"}, {"end": "03:40:07", "start": "03:40:02", "text": "I mean, we haven't even got to the"}, {"end": "03:40:09", "start": "03:40:05", "text": "clinic. Psychedelics,"}, {"end": "03:40:13", "start": "03:40:07", "text": "consciousness, you have to have some"}, {"end": "03:40:15", "start": "03:40:09", "text": "thoughts on what happens. Yeah. But"}, {"end": "03:40:17", "start": "03:40:13", "text": "it it it's one of those things like can"}, {"end": "03:40:20", "start": "03:40:15", "text": "you know? So, mathematics, if you study"}, {"end": "03:40:22", "start": "03:40:17", "text": "mathematics deep enough, when you first"}, {"end": "03:40:23", "start": "03:40:20", "text": "start, you're like everything has a"}, {"end": "03:40:25", "start": "03:40:22", "text": "proof and if you're smart enough, you"}, {"end": "03:40:27", "start": "03:40:23", "text": "can find it. And then when you get deep"}, {"end": "03:40:29", "start": "03:40:25", "text": "enough into the guts of math, there's"}, {"end": "03:40:31", "start": "03:40:27", "text": "like a hidden dark knowledge you're not"}, {"end": "03:40:32", "start": "03:40:29", "text": "supposed to know. You know, like"}, {"end": "03:40:33", "start": "03:40:31", "text": "Scientology, they have the levels,"}, {"end": "03:40:36", "start": "03:40:32", "text": "right? And eventually you find out about"}, {"end": "03:40:37", "start": "03:40:33", "text": "Zenu. So, so in mathematics, eventually"}, {"end": "03:40:38", "start": "03:40:36", "text": "you find out about Girdle, you know,"}, {"end": "03:40:41", "start": "03:40:37", "text": "it's like the dark secret. It's called"}, {"end": "03:40:43", "start": "03:40:38", "text": "Girdle's incompleteness theorem. So,"}, {"end": "03:40:45", "start": "03:40:41", "text": "back in the 19th century, uh, math was"}, {"end": "03:40:47", "start": "03:40:43", "text": "kind of in a weird state. So these guys"}, {"end": "03:40:49", "start": "03:40:45", "text": "got together like Alfred North Whitehead"}, {"end": "03:40:50", "start": "03:40:47", "text": "and Bertrren Russell and David Hilbert"}, {"end": "03:40:51", "start": "03:40:49", "text": "and said you know what we're going to do"}, {"end": "03:40:54", "start": "03:40:50", "text": "is we're going to rebuild all of the"}, {"end": "03:40:56", "start": "03:40:51", "text": "foundations of math to be on this"}, {"end": "03:40:58", "start": "03:40:54", "text": "beautiful axiomatic system where"}, {"end": "03:41:00", "start": "03:40:56", "text": "everything will be rigorous and formally"}, {"end": "03:41:01", "start": "03:40:58", "text": "provable and it'll almost be like a"}, {"end": "03:41:04", "start": "03:41:00", "text": "machine where you just turn the crank"}, {"end": "03:41:05", "start": "03:41:01", "text": "and you can prove everything. So in any"}, {"end": "03:41:07", "start": "03:41:04", "text": "formal system you have four properties"}, {"end": "03:41:09", "start": "03:41:05", "text": "to a formal system. You have your axioms"}, {"end": "03:41:10", "start": "03:41:07", "text": "the base level of the system. So these"}, {"end": "03:41:12", "start": "03:41:09", "text": "are the things that you assume to be"}, {"end": "03:41:15", "start": "03:41:10", "text": "true without proof because you have to"}, {"end": "03:41:17", "start": "03:41:12", "text": "have some rules you know and then the"}, {"end": "03:41:20", "start": "03:41:15", "text": "next step you have uh in a in a formal"}, {"end": "03:41:22", "start": "03:41:17", "text": "system is independence. So once you have"}, {"end": "03:41:24", "start": "03:41:20", "text": "axioms"}, {"end": "03:41:26", "start": "03:41:22", "text": "do the axioms contradict each other or"}, {"end": "03:41:28", "start": "03:41:24", "text": "are they self-standing? Then the third"}, {"end": "03:41:29", "start": "03:41:26", "text": "thing you have is completeness and the"}, {"end": "03:41:32", "start": "03:41:28", "text": "fourth thing is what's called"}, {"end": "03:41:34", "start": "03:41:29", "text": "decidability. So completeness says that"}, {"end": "03:41:37", "start": "03:41:32", "text": "if I give you a statement in my formal"}, {"end": "03:41:39", "start": "03:41:34", "text": "system, you have enough machinery to be"}, {"end": "03:41:42", "start": "03:41:37", "text": "able to prove whether that statement is"}, {"end": "03:41:44", "start": "03:41:39", "text": "true or false. And decidability is can"}, {"end": "03:41:46", "start": "03:41:42", "text": "you build a machine that if you turn the"}, {"end": "03:41:48", "start": "03:41:44", "text": "crank enough times, it will derive that"}, {"end": "03:41:50", "start": "03:41:46", "text": "truth value or false value. So all these"}, {"end": "03:41:52", "start": "03:41:48", "text": "mathematicians in the 19th century, they"}, {"end": "03:41:54", "start": "03:41:50", "text": "absolutely believe that math had all"}, {"end": "03:41:56", "start": "03:41:52", "text": "four of these properties that you could"}, {"end": "03:41:57", "start": "03:41:54", "text": "build some set of axioms. Who knows what"}, {"end": "03:42:00", "start": "03:41:56", "text": "the hell they are that will cover"}, {"end": "03:42:01", "start": "03:41:57", "text": "everything in mathematics. And then"}, {"end": "03:42:03", "start": "03:42:00", "text": "those axioms will all be independent of"}, {"end": "03:42:05", "start": "03:42:01", "text": "each other. So they're just they're not"}, {"end": "03:42:07", "start": "03:42:03", "text": "too many, not too little. It's like"}, {"end": "03:42:08", "start": "03:42:05", "text": "Goldilocks. They're just right. And then"}, {"end": "03:42:10", "start": "03:42:07", "text": "it's complete. So no matter what you"}, {"end": "03:42:12", "start": "03:42:08", "text": "tell me, I'll be able to build a machine"}, {"end": "03:42:14", "start": "03:42:10", "text": "and it'll turn the crank and it'll tell"}, {"end": "03:42:16", "start": "03:42:12", "text": "me it's true and false. So then in the"}, {"end": "03:42:18", "start": "03:42:14", "text": "30s there's this paranoid schizophrenic"}, {"end": "03:42:21", "start": "03:42:16", "text": "graduate student named Kurt Girdle and"}, {"end": "03:42:23", "start": "03:42:18", "text": "he's like yeah actually um math can"}, {"end": "03:42:24", "start": "03:42:21", "text": "never be complete. It was called"}, {"end": "03:42:26", "start": "03:42:23", "text": "Girdle's incompleteness theorem. He just"}, {"end": "03:42:29", "start": "03:42:24", "text": "broke math. And basically what he did is"}, {"end": "03:42:31", "start": "03:42:26", "text": "he said he invented this thing using"}, {"end": "03:42:34", "start": "03:42:29", "text": "what are called girdle encodings outside"}, {"end": "03:42:36", "start": "03:42:31", "text": "of math. And he said okay this thing"}, {"end": "03:42:38", "start": "03:42:34", "text": "that you can't prove it within your"}, {"end": "03:42:39", "start": "03:42:36", "text": "system unless you introduce another"}, {"end": "03:42:41", "start": "03:42:38", "text": "axiom. But the minute you introduce"}, {"end": "03:42:43", "start": "03:42:39", "text": "another axiom, I can use that to"}, {"end": "03:42:45", "start": "03:42:41", "text": "construct another thing that requires"}, {"end": "03:42:47", "start": "03:42:43", "text": "another axiom. So there's always going"}, {"end": "03:42:50", "start": "03:42:45", "text": "to be a statement outside of mathematics"}, {"end": "03:42:52", "start": "03:42:47", "text": "inductively that is unprovable with the"}, {"end": "03:42:54", "start": "03:42:50", "text": "current system that you have. So"}, {"end": "03:42:57", "start": "03:42:52", "text": "effectively, mathematics is forever"}, {"end": "03:42:59", "start": "03:42:54", "text": "incomplete if you want to do interesting"}, {"end": "03:43:01", "start": "03:42:57", "text": "things. So it's like the hidden secret"}, {"end": "03:43:03", "start": "03:42:59", "text": "of mathematicians like there could exist"}, {"end": "03:43:05", "start": "03:43:01", "text": "things in math that you can state but"}, {"end": "03:43:06", "start": "03:43:03", "text": "you can't prove. So then they're like,"}, {"end": "03:43:08", "start": "03:43:05", "text": "well, could we at least build the"}, {"end": "03:43:10", "start": "03:43:06", "text": "machine that can tell us whether it's"}, {"end": "03:43:12", "start": "03:43:08", "text": "true or false or undecidable? So then"}, {"end": "03:43:13", "start": "03:43:10", "text": "they said, well, let's at least try to"}, {"end": "03:43:15", "start": "03:43:12", "text": "do that. And then there was another"}, {"end": "03:43:17", "start": "03:43:13", "text": "brilliant kid named Alan Turing who"}, {"end": "03:43:18", "start": "03:43:15", "text": "basically said, no, actually math is"}, {"end": "03:43:21", "start": "03:43:17", "text": "fundamentally undecidable as well. You"}, {"end": "03:43:23", "start": "03:43:18", "text": "can never build an abstract machine uh"}, {"end": "03:43:25", "start": "03:43:21", "text": "to to basically always show you what the"}, {"end": "03:43:27", "start": "03:43:23", "text": "answers are. But at least there we got"}, {"end": "03:43:28", "start": "03:43:25", "text": "computer science because inadvertently"}, {"end": "03:43:30", "start": "03:43:27", "text": "while Turing was trying to solve that,"}, {"end": "03:43:32", "start": "03:43:28", "text": "he invented the Turing machine which was"}, {"end": "03:43:34", "start": "03:43:30", "text": "the basis of all of modern programming"}, {"end": "03:43:35", "start": "03:43:32", "text": "languages and computer science. and"}, {"end": "03:43:37", "start": "03:43:34", "text": "these types of things. So why is this"}, {"end": "03:43:39", "start": "03:43:35", "text": "related to death and consciousness and"}, {"end": "03:43:42", "start": "03:43:37", "text": "things like that what we have just shown"}, {"end": "03:43:44", "start": "03:43:39", "text": "in mathematics is that there exists"}, {"end": "03:43:45", "start": "03:43:42", "text": "things outside of a formal system of"}, {"end": "03:43:47", "start": "03:43:44", "text": "provability"}, {"end": "03:43:50", "start": "03:43:45", "text": "and no matter how smart you are, how"}, {"end": "03:43:52", "start": "03:43:47", "text": "capable you are, it's so far outside of"}, {"end": "03:43:54", "start": "03:43:50", "text": "the realm, there's no way to actually"}, {"end": "03:43:56", "start": "03:43:52", "text": "meaningfully talk about it because I"}, {"end": "03:43:59", "start": "03:43:54", "text": "can't prove it. I can't I can't solve"}, {"end": "03:44:01", "start": "03:43:56", "text": "it. And death in many ways is like this."}, {"end": "03:44:03", "start": "03:43:59", "text": "Our perceptions are bounded by these"}, {"end": "03:44:05", "start": "03:44:01", "text": "electrical meat sacks. we walk around in"}, {"end": "03:44:08", "start": "03:44:03", "text": "and there are things we can see and"}, {"end": "03:44:10", "start": "03:44:05", "text": "perceive like light and sound. There's"}, {"end": "03:44:12", "start": "03:44:08", "text": "other things we can't perceive and like"}, {"end": "03:44:14", "start": "03:44:10", "text": "like radiation for example. We don't we"}, {"end": "03:44:16", "start": "03:44:12", "text": "don't sense it and just feel the"}, {"end": "03:44:20", "start": "03:44:14", "text": "consequences of it. Death is like this"}, {"end": "03:44:22", "start": "03:44:16", "text": "thing that happens after and you can"}, {"end": "03:44:24", "start": "03:44:20", "text": "have an opinion like okay well there's a"}, {"end": "03:44:26", "start": "03:44:22", "text": "soul and the soul will go somewhere or"}, {"end": "03:44:28", "start": "03:44:24", "text": "there's reincarnation and you become"}, {"end": "03:44:30", "start": "03:44:26", "text": "something else or you can say it just"}, {"end": "03:44:32", "start": "03:44:28", "text": "all comes to an end and you know you're"}, {"end": "03:44:33", "start": "03:44:30", "text": "just like the the plant that dies and"}, {"end": "03:44:35", "start": "03:44:32", "text": "this other thing or you can say there's"}, {"end": "03:44:37", "start": "03:44:33", "text": "like this collective pansyus"}, {"end": "03:44:38", "start": "03:44:35", "text": "consciousness in fact there's a variant"}, {"end": "03:44:41", "start": "03:44:37", "text": "of Christianity that believes it's"}, {"end": "03:44:44", "start": "03:44:38", "text": "called narcissism it was a competitor of"}, {"end": "03:44:45", "start": "03:44:41", "text": "of of Christianity after Jesus died and"}, {"end": "03:44:47", "start": "03:44:44", "text": "it was like heretical"}, {"end": "03:44:49", "start": "03:44:45", "text": "They they said that actually the god"}, {"end": "03:44:53", "start": "03:44:47", "text": "that the Christians worship is a"}, {"end": "03:44:54", "start": "03:44:49", "text": "actually a fa fake god uh and there's"}, {"end": "03:44:56", "start": "03:44:53", "text": "actually another god in a different"}, {"end": "03:44:58", "start": "03:44:54", "text": "realm and this fake god is here to"}, {"end": "03:44:59", "start": "03:44:56", "text": "actually deceive all the people and only"}, {"end": "03:45:03", "start": "03:44:58", "text": "through nosis can you discover this"}, {"end": "03:45:05", "start": "03:44:59", "text": "other this other god. The point is that"}, {"end": "03:45:08", "start": "03:45:03", "text": "it's you can spend endless time and"}, {"end": "03:45:09", "start": "03:45:05", "text": "endless mental constructions, but all"}, {"end": "03:45:10", "start": "03:45:08", "text": "you're doing is you're just adding"}, {"end": "03:45:12", "start": "03:45:09", "text": "another axiom which then I'm going to"}, {"end": "03:45:15", "start": "03:45:10", "text": "immediately take and put into the"}, {"end": "03:45:17", "start": "03:45:12", "text": "machine to make us another notion of"}, {"end": "03:45:19", "start": "03:45:15", "text": "afterlife that's beyond your ability to"}, {"end": "03:45:21", "start": "03:45:17", "text": "prove and then you add another axiom and"}, {"end": "03:45:23", "start": "03:45:19", "text": "then we repeat it. So death is an"}, {"end": "03:45:25", "start": "03:45:21", "text": "inductive process. No matter how smart"}, {"end": "03:45:28", "start": "03:45:23", "text": "you get, what senses you get, what"}, {"end": "03:45:31", "start": "03:45:25", "text": "understanding you get, you can't really"}, {"end": "03:45:32", "start": "03:45:28", "text": "get there. There's even this shipthesis"}, {"end": "03:45:35", "start": "03:45:31", "text": "problem. Your cells replenish and"}, {"end": "03:45:37", "start": "03:45:32", "text": "changed themselves. So what is death"}, {"end": "03:45:39", "start": "03:45:35", "text": "there? You are you today, but in seven"}, {"end": "03:45:41", "start": "03:45:37", "text": "years all your cells have rotated out"}, {"end": "03:45:43", "start": "03:45:39", "text": "and changed out. So are you still you"}, {"end": "03:45:45", "start": "03:45:41", "text": "then? Or are you a different person"}, {"end": "03:45:46", "start": "03:45:43", "text": "then? If all your cells are replacing"}, {"end": "03:45:49", "start": "03:45:45", "text": "themselves. It's like let's say you buy"}, {"end": "03:45:51", "start": "03:45:46", "text": "a classic car and you change the tires,"}, {"end": "03:45:52", "start": "03:45:49", "text": "then you change the transmission, then"}, {"end": "03:45:54", "start": "03:45:51", "text": "you change the engine, then you have to"}, {"end": "03:45:55", "start": "03:45:52", "text": "redo some of the body work, and then you"}, {"end": "03:45:56", "start": "03:45:54", "text": "have change the panels, then you change"}, {"end": "03:45:58", "start": "03:45:55", "text": "the doors, then change the headlights."}, {"end": "03:46:00", "start": "03:45:56", "text": "At what point is it no longer the"}, {"end": "03:46:02", "start": "03:45:58", "text": "original car? So if your body is"}, {"end": "03:46:03", "start": "03:46:00", "text": "constantly changing and adapting, your"}, {"end": "03:46:06", "start": "03:46:02", "text": "brain is constantly changing and"}, {"end": "03:46:08", "start": "03:46:03", "text": "restructuring and readapting itself. At"}, {"end": "03:46:10", "start": "03:46:06", "text": "what point did the you of today die?"}, {"end": "03:46:12", "start": "03:46:08", "text": "Because our view of death is that it"}, {"end": "03:46:13", "start": "03:46:10", "text": "happens after everything ceases to"}, {"end": "03:46:15", "start": "03:46:12", "text": "function. But maybe you die a little"}, {"end": "03:46:17", "start": "03:46:13", "text": "every day and you're a completely new"}, {"end": "03:46:18", "start": "03:46:15", "text": "person every single day. It's the same"}, {"end": "03:46:21", "start": "03:46:17", "text": "with Star Trek, you know, where they"}, {"end": "03:46:23", "start": "03:46:18", "text": "have the teleporters, the transporters."}, {"end": "03:46:25", "start": "03:46:21", "text": "Are you really moving from point A to"}, {"end": "03:46:28", "start": "03:46:23", "text": "point B and you're being reassembled or"}, {"end": "03:46:30", "start": "03:46:25", "text": "are you just being cloned and the you're"}, {"end": "03:46:32", "start": "03:46:28", "text": "being murdered on one side and"}, {"end": "03:46:33", "start": "03:46:30", "text": "replicated on the other side? So the"}, {"end": "03:46:35", "start": "03:46:32", "text": "person who stepped on that pad now is"}, {"end": "03:46:37", "start": "03:46:33", "text": "dead and the the person on this other"}, {"end": "03:46:39", "start": "03:46:35", "text": "pad is actually a completely different"}, {"end": "03:46:41", "start": "03:46:37", "text": "person. He's just cloned, but he thinks"}, {"end": "03:46:43", "start": "03:46:39", "text": "he's that because he has the exact same"}, {"end": "03:46:45", "start": "03:46:41", "text": "memories, the exact same DNA, and the"}, {"end": "03:46:47", "start": "03:46:43", "text": "exact same perspective."}, {"end": "03:46:48", "start": "03:46:45", "text": "Death could be this way. And then AI"}, {"end": "03:46:50", "start": "03:46:47", "text": "makes things even more challenging"}, {"end": "03:46:53", "start": "03:46:48", "text": "because what happens when you can create"}, {"end": "03:46:55", "start": "03:46:50", "text": "near-perfect similacra of people. So all"}, {"end": "03:46:58", "start": "03:46:53", "text": "this interaction with AI and all this"}, {"end": "03:46:59", "start": "03:46:55", "text": "data at some point a computer can"}, {"end": "03:47:01", "start": "03:46:58", "text": "probably create a pretty realistic copy"}, {"end": "03:47:03", "start": "03:46:59", "text": "of you. So much so that it's"}, {"end": "03:47:06", "start": "03:47:01", "text": "indistinguishable from other people. And"}, {"end": "03:47:08", "start": "03:47:03", "text": "we like that's not you. Okay. But what"}, {"end": "03:47:10", "start": "03:47:06", "text": "makes you you? If I know you as a person"}, {"end": "03:47:12", "start": "03:47:08", "text": "and I spend time with you as a person"}, {"end": "03:47:14", "start": "03:47:10", "text": "and and every time I interact with you,"}, {"end": "03:47:16", "start": "03:47:12", "text": "the computer gives me the exact same"}, {"end": "03:47:19", "start": "03:47:14", "text": "experience, for all intents and"}, {"end": "03:47:21", "start": "03:47:16", "text": "purposes, it's you from my perspective."}, {"end": "03:47:23", "start": "03:47:19", "text": "So, is your you defined by you or is"}, {"end": "03:47:25", "start": "03:47:21", "text": "your you defined by me and my"}, {"end": "03:47:27", "start": "03:47:23", "text": "interactions with you? It's another"}, {"end": "03:47:30", "start": "03:47:25", "text": "interesting part of life and death,"}, {"end": "03:47:33", "start": "03:47:27", "text": "right? You see, so that's why I try to"}, {"end": "03:47:34", "start": "03:47:30", "text": "avoid the the big question because I"}, {"end": "03:47:37", "start": "03:47:33", "text": "think it's it's in the same class of"}, {"end": "03:47:39", "start": "03:47:34", "text": "problems as the incompleteness problem."}, {"end": "03:47:42", "start": "03:47:37", "text": "And uh and you can with a life"}, {"end": "03:47:44", "start": "03:47:39", "text": "philosophy construct a system where you"}, {"end": "03:47:46", "start": "03:47:42", "text": "sidestep it. That's what the Buddhists"}, {"end": "03:47:48", "start": "03:47:44", "text": "do. They basically say there's this"}, {"end": "03:47:50", "start": "03:47:46", "text": "concept of reincarnation and the goal is"}, {"end": "03:47:52", "start": "03:47:48", "text": "to divorce yourself of the things that"}, {"end": "03:47:54", "start": "03:47:50", "text": "cause suffering and pain and attachments"}, {"end": "03:47:56", "start": "03:47:52", "text": "are that so you get rid of the"}, {"end": "03:47:59", "start": "03:47:54", "text": "attachments or you can then say no no no"}, {"end": "03:48:02", "start": "03:47:56", "text": "you're this world is a test and you are"}, {"end": "03:48:04", "start": "03:47:59", "text": "a meat suit with the soul and based on"}, {"end": "03:48:06", "start": "03:48:02", "text": "what you do piloting that meat suit will"}, {"end": "03:48:08", "start": "03:48:04", "text": "decide where your soul's final resting"}, {"end": "03:48:09", "start": "03:48:06", "text": "place is either it's in hell or it's in"}, {"end": "03:48:11", "start": "03:48:08", "text": "heaven. So that's kind of a more"}, {"end": "03:48:13", "start": "03:48:09", "text": "Judeo-Christian view of that. Or you can"}, {"end": "03:48:15", "start": "03:48:11", "text": "be an atheist and say there's just the"}, {"end": "03:48:17", "start": "03:48:13", "text": "meat suit and that's it. And it's random"}, {"end": "03:48:19", "start": "03:48:15", "text": "chance that you get to pilot a meat"}, {"end": "03:48:21", "start": "03:48:17", "text": "suit. Who the hell knows how you pilot"}, {"end": "03:48:22", "start": "03:48:19", "text": "it, where it comes from, but your time's"}, {"end": "03:48:24", "start": "03:48:21", "text": "your time. And when you're dead, you're"}, {"end": "03:48:26", "start": "03:48:22", "text": "dead. And have some kids cuz that's the"}, {"end": "03:48:28", "start": "03:48:24", "text": "closest you'll get to immortality,"}, {"end": "03:48:31", "start": "03:48:26", "text": "right? Well, in all three of those"}, {"end": "03:48:35", "start": "03:48:28", "text": "cases, the same result occurs. You die."}, {"end": "03:48:37", "start": "03:48:31", "text": "We don't even know when, but you die."}, {"end": "03:48:39", "start": "03:48:35", "text": "So, what does that mean to me? What does"}, {"end": "03:48:41", "start": "03:48:37", "text": "that mean to society and everything else"}, {"end": "03:48:43", "start": "03:48:39", "text": "around? not not a lot, you know, it's"}, {"end": "03:48:45", "start": "03:48:41", "text": "the same outcome and the same thing. And"}, {"end": "03:48:47", "start": "03:48:43", "text": "let's say you get lucky and there is an"}, {"end": "03:48:50", "start": "03:48:45", "text": "afterlife. Well,"}, {"end": "03:48:52", "start": "03:48:47", "text": "what impact do my beliefs have in this"}, {"end": "03:48:54", "start": "03:48:50", "text": "world on that world? Whether I believed"}, {"end": "03:48:56", "start": "03:48:52", "text": "A or B or C, whether I thought it was"}, {"end": "03:48:58", "start": "03:48:54", "text": "the meat suit or this is a spiritual"}, {"end": "03:48:59", "start": "03:48:56", "text": "test or, you know, there's a"}, {"end": "03:49:02", "start": "03:48:58", "text": "reincarnation thing, I'm going to end up"}, {"end": "03:49:04", "start": "03:48:59", "text": "in the same line with St. Peter, you"}, {"end": "03:49:05", "start": "03:49:02", "text": "know, and and he we're going to have the"}, {"end": "03:49:07", "start": "03:49:04", "text": "same conversation. He's just going to be"}, {"end": "03:49:08", "start": "03:49:05", "text": "like, \"Ah, I see you didn't believe.\""}, {"end": "03:49:10", "start": "03:49:07", "text": "It's like, well, what kind of a just god"}, {"end": "03:49:13", "start": "03:49:08", "text": "would punish me for that forever, for"}, {"end": "03:49:15", "start": "03:49:10", "text": "all eternity? This is where I disagree"}, {"end": "03:49:16", "start": "03:49:13", "text": "with Thomas Aquinas and uh and St."}, {"end": "03:49:19", "start": "03:49:15", "text": "Augustine and these other theologians of"}, {"end": "03:49:20", "start": "03:49:16", "text": "the Catholic Church who who like, oh,"}, {"end": "03:49:22", "start": "03:49:19", "text": "well, you know, God is infinite, so"}, {"end": "03:49:24", "start": "03:49:20", "text": "disbelief in God is an infinite sin,"}, {"end": "03:49:26", "start": "03:49:22", "text": "thus deserves infinite punishment. It's"}, {"end": "03:49:29", "start": "03:49:24", "text": "like, oh, screw you, theologica. It's"}, {"end": "03:49:32", "start": "03:49:26", "text": "it's like mental masturbation justify an"}, {"end": "03:49:34", "start": "03:49:29", "text": "antiquated doctrine of control. A lot of"}, {"end": "03:49:36", "start": "03:49:32", "text": "these things are about controlling"}, {"end": "03:49:40", "start": "03:49:34", "text": "behavior and regulating behavior amongst"}, {"end": "03:49:42", "start": "03:49:36", "text": "people. You know, no just God or just"}, {"end": "03:49:44", "start": "03:49:40", "text": "parent of a child would create an"}, {"end": "03:49:47", "start": "03:49:42", "text": "infinite punishment for a lack of faith"}, {"end": "03:49:50", "start": "03:49:44", "text": "in somebody. And no matter what you do"}, {"end": "03:49:51", "start": "03:49:47", "text": "and you misstep, it's a finite crime. So"}, {"end": "03:49:54", "start": "03:49:50", "text": "punishment is finite. So let's say you"}, {"end": "03:49:56", "start": "03:49:51", "text": "get it wrong, the maximum punishment is"}, {"end": "03:49:58", "start": "03:49:54", "text": "the duration of your life, perhaps a"}, {"end": "03:50:01", "start": "03:49:56", "text": "multiple of that, but it's not internal."}, {"end": "03:50:03", "start": "03:49:58", "text": "So there's no downside when you think of"}, {"end": "03:50:04", "start": "03:50:01", "text": "these things one way or the other. And"}, {"end": "03:50:06", "start": "03:50:03", "text": "so that's why I don't let it guide the"}, {"end": "03:50:08", "start": "03:50:04", "text": "life. And instead what I do is I say I"}, {"end": "03:50:12", "start": "03:50:06", "text": "just want to live a life of curiosity."}, {"end": "03:50:14", "start": "03:50:08", "text": "And what I want to do is self-impose"}, {"end": "03:50:17", "start": "03:50:12", "text": "a mechanism of leaving things behind for"}, {"end": "03:50:20", "start": "03:50:14", "text": "everyone else. If I build great systems,"}, {"end": "03:50:23", "start": "03:50:17", "text": "those systems will be accessible to"}, {"end": "03:50:25", "start": "03:50:20", "text": "everyone in the world. And whether my"}, {"end": "03:50:28", "start": "03:50:23", "text": "name is remembered or not is immaterial."}, {"end": "03:50:29", "start": "03:50:25", "text": "I I get to know that it changed things"}, {"end": "03:50:31", "start": "03:50:28", "text": "for everybody. You know, it's like"}, {"end": "03:50:32", "start": "03:50:29", "text": "serving in the agency and it's like no"}, {"end": "03:50:34", "start": "03:50:31", "text": "one really gets to know you. You're"}, {"end": "03:50:35", "start": "03:50:32", "text": "supposed to be secret, but if you do"}, {"end": "03:50:37", "start": "03:50:34", "text": "something great, you may have saved a"}, {"end": "03:50:39", "start": "03:50:35", "text": "thousand lives or 10,000 lives or"}, {"end": "03:50:41", "start": "03:50:37", "text": "100,000 lives. You didn't sign up for"}, {"end": "03:50:43", "start": "03:50:39", "text": "the credit. You signed up for the action"}, {"end": "03:50:45", "start": "03:50:41", "text": "and the outcome that you wanted to do."}, {"end": "03:50:49", "start": "03:50:43", "text": "And so immortality is the exact same"}, {"end": "03:50:50", "start": "03:50:45", "text": "way. You know, if you live for eternity,"}, {"end": "03:50:52", "start": "03:50:49", "text": "you're only living for yourself. If you"}, {"end": "03:50:54", "start": "03:50:50", "text": "live for the system and you live for"}, {"end": "03:50:56", "start": "03:50:52", "text": "changing other people's lives, well, the"}, {"end": "03:50:58", "start": "03:50:54", "text": "only time you get to do that is finite."}, {"end": "03:50:59", "start": "03:50:56", "text": "So the immortalities thing doesn't mean"}, {"end": "03:51:01", "start": "03:50:58", "text": "anything. The afterlife doesn't mean"}, {"end": "03:51:03", "start": "03:50:59", "text": "anything. So that that's why I think of"}, {"end": "03:51:05", "start": "03:51:01", "text": "it that way. Otherwise, I just go crazy."}, {"end": "03:51:07", "start": "03:51:03", "text": "You know, I just sit down all day long"}, {"end": "03:51:09", "start": "03:51:05", "text": "with theologians and philosophers and"}, {"end": "03:51:11", "start": "03:51:07", "text": "other people and we'd just be mentally"}, {"end": "03:51:12", "start": "03:51:09", "text": "masturbating. It'll be just one big"}, {"end": "03:51:14", "start": "03:51:11", "text": "circle jerk all around, you know, and"}, {"end": "03:51:16", "start": "03:51:12", "text": "getting sprayed a little bit over here"}, {"end": "03:51:18", "start": "03:51:14", "text": "by Christianity and over here by Vishnu"}, {"end": "03:51:20", "start": "03:51:16", "text": "and these things and just it's one big"}, {"end": "03:51:23", "start": "03:51:18", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] of philosophy. It's just it's"}, {"end": "03:51:25", "start": "03:51:20", "text": "impossible to to get anywhere and and"}, {"end": "03:51:27", "start": "03:51:23", "text": "then you you you just get so glum cuz"}, {"end": "03:51:28", "start": "03:51:25", "text": "you're like why does it matter? There's"}, {"end": "03:51:31", "start": "03:51:27", "text": "no meaning. There's no purpose and"}, {"end": "03:51:34", "start": "03:51:28", "text": "things. One thing I know for certainty"}, {"end": "03:51:38", "start": "03:51:31", "text": "is humans need meaning. If you take"}, {"end": "03:51:39", "start": "03:51:34", "text": "meaning from a man, he will collapse and"}, {"end": "03:51:41", "start": "03:51:38", "text": "there's nothing there. If you have"}, {"end": "03:51:43", "start": "03:51:39", "text": "meaning in a person, they will endure"}, {"end": "03:51:46", "start": "03:51:41", "text": "any amount of hell to get to the other"}, {"end": "03:51:47", "start": "03:51:43", "text": "side. So the much more meaningful"}, {"end": "03:51:49", "start": "03:51:46", "text": "question isn't what happens when you"}, {"end": "03:51:51", "start": "03:51:47", "text": "die. It's how do you discover meaning in"}, {"end": "03:51:53", "start": "03:51:49", "text": "the moment and perpetuate that and"}, {"end": "03:51:56", "start": "03:51:51", "text": "preserve that and carry it with you and"}, {"end": "03:51:57", "start": "03:51:53", "text": "then how do you align your meaning so"}, {"end": "03:51:59", "start": "03:51:56", "text": "it's empathetic with society as a whole"}, {"end": "03:52:01", "start": "03:51:57", "text": "and it helps society as a whole. Those"}, {"end": "03:52:03", "start": "03:51:59", "text": "are the things that are a much more"}, {"end": "03:52:06", "start": "03:52:01", "text": "meaningful question to focus on."}, {"end": "03:52:08", "start": "03:52:03", "text": "Everything else is just it's a waste."}, {"end": "03:52:09", "start": "03:52:06", "text": "It's either weaponized to control people"}, {"end": "03:52:12", "start": "03:52:08", "text": "and convince them to do things they"}, {"end": "03:52:14", "start": "03:52:09", "text": "would ordinarily wouldn't do, or you end"}, {"end": "03:52:18", "start": "03:52:12", "text": "up going to dark places that you really"}, {"end": "03:52:18", "start": "03:52:14", "text": "can't come back from."}, {"end": "03:52:23", "start": "03:52:18", "text": "Back to your psychedelic journey where"}, {"end": "03:52:27", "start": "03:52:20", "text": "you you turned into the wolf. Yes. Was"}, {"end": "03:52:28", "start": "03:52:23", "text": "that before the dire wolf? Yes. Do you"}, {"end": "03:52:30", "start": "03:52:27", "text": "think there's an association there? You"}, {"end": "03:52:32", "start": "03:52:28", "text": "know, now that I think about it, it"}, {"end": "03:52:34", "start": "03:52:30", "text": "could be. I never connected that cuz I I"}, {"end": "03:52:37", "start": "03:52:32", "text": "found out about it in January. You never"}, {"end": "03:52:39", "start": "03:52:34", "text": "connected that? I didn't I I just I"}, {"end": "03:52:41", "start": "03:52:37", "text": "because I I did the the trip in November"}, {"end": "03:52:44", "start": "03:52:39", "text": "and in January I found out about uh"}, {"end": "03:52:45", "start": "03:52:41", "text": "about the direwolf. But uh that you"}, {"end": "03:52:47", "start": "03:52:44", "text": "never thought about that until this"}, {"end": "03:52:50", "start": "03:52:45", "text": "specific point till I brought it up. No,"}, {"end": "03:52:52", "start": "03:52:47", "text": "I never thought about it. Holy [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "03:52:54", "start": "03:52:50", "text": "Charles."}, {"end": "03:52:55", "start": "03:52:52", "text": "Seriously? I never did. Yeah. What do"}, {"end": "03:52:57", "start": "03:52:54", "text": "you think now that I just brought that"}, {"end": "03:52:58", "start": "03:52:55", "text": "up? Well, you know, it could be. But the"}, {"end": "03:53:00", "start": "03:52:57", "text": "other thing is, you know, I'm a quarter"}, {"end": "03:53:01", "start": "03:52:58", "text": "Norwegian and a quarter Italian. And in"}, {"end": "03:53:03", "start": "03:53:00", "text": "the Norwegian side, there were like"}, {"end": "03:53:05", "start": "03:53:01", "text": "Viking raider dudes. And you know, maybe"}, {"end": "03:53:07", "start": "03:53:03", "text": "one of them was like an olf, you know,"}, {"end": "03:53:09", "start": "03:53:05", "text": "barbarian, you like the wolf raiders."}, {"end": "03:53:11", "start": "03:53:07", "text": "So, who knows? It could be some"}, {"end": "03:53:14", "start": "03:53:09", "text": "connection to familial blood. It could"}, {"end": "03:53:17", "start": "03:53:11", "text": "be uh a premonition of the direwolf. It"}, {"end": "03:53:19", "start": "03:53:14", "text": "could be just that I like dogs, you"}, {"end": "03:53:21", "start": "03:53:17", "text": "know. Who the hell knows? I got five"}, {"end": "03:53:23", "start": "03:53:19", "text": "dogs, you know, and and uh and I got"}, {"end": "03:53:24", "start": "03:53:21", "text": "wolves, you know, running around"}, {"end": "03:53:26", "start": "03:53:23", "text": "probably on the ranch. Never seen them."}, {"end": "03:53:28", "start": "03:53:24", "text": "They tell me they're there, you know, so"}, {"end": "03:53:31", "start": "03:53:26", "text": "who knows? But two months later you find"}, {"end": "03:53:33", "start": "03:53:28", "text": "out about this project later about um"}, {"end": "03:53:36", "start": "03:53:31", "text": "yeah that's a good point but I never"}, {"end": "03:53:37", "start": "03:53:33", "text": "thought of it that way. Maybe it is."}, {"end": "03:53:41", "start": "03:53:36", "text": "Perhaps ketamine gives you the ability"}, {"end": "03:53:41", "start": "03:53:37", "text": "to see the future."}, {"end": "03:53:48", "start": "03:53:42", "text": "Let's talk about the direwolf. Yes sir."}, {"end": "03:53:51", "start": "03:53:45", "text": "How did you get involved in that? So uh"}, {"end": "03:53:53", "start": "03:53:48", "text": "as I mentioned before in 2021 uh I met"}, {"end": "03:53:56", "start": "03:53:51", "text": "Ben and we were talking about a like a"}, {"end": "03:53:58", "start": "03:53:53", "text": "kind of a crypto colossal thing and uh I"}, {"end": "03:54:00", "start": "03:53:56", "text": "invested in Colossal quite early in the"}, {"end": "03:54:02", "start": "03:53:58", "text": "company's via history. So they were"}, {"end": "03:54:05", "start": "03:54:00", "text": "before they had done any of that major"}, {"end": "03:54:06", "start": "03:54:02", "text": "work. Uh, and so, you know, every 6"}, {"end": "03:54:08", "start": "03:54:05", "text": "months to a year, you know, Ben and I"}, {"end": "03:54:10", "start": "03:54:06", "text": "would talk and I'd go down to either"}, {"end": "03:54:12", "start": "03:54:08", "text": "Texas and things like that and I'd kind"}, {"end": "03:54:13", "start": "03:54:10", "text": "of follow the progress and get to know"}, {"end": "03:54:15", "start": "03:54:12", "text": "like what are they working on. And then"}, {"end": "03:54:16", "start": "03:54:13", "text": "after we founded a company together,"}, {"end": "03:54:19", "start": "03:54:15", "text": "then I started getting much more"}, {"end": "03:54:22", "start": "03:54:16", "text": "involved in these things. But, um, we"}, {"end": "03:54:25", "start": "03:54:19", "text": "always knew that the woolly mammoth was"}, {"end": "03:54:27", "start": "03:54:22", "text": "kind of a horizonal goal. And the reason"}, {"end": "03:54:28", "start": "03:54:25", "text": "being is it's ridiculously hard to"}, {"end": "03:54:30", "start": "03:54:27", "text": "genetically engineer elephants. You"}, {"end": "03:54:32", "start": "03:54:28", "text": "know, they have specialized machinery"}, {"end": "03:54:34", "start": "03:54:30", "text": "that prevents cancer. and that"}, {"end": "03:54:36", "start": "03:54:32", "text": "specialized machinery uh it keeps their"}, {"end": "03:54:37", "start": "03:54:34", "text": "genome very stable. Uh so it's good for"}, {"end": "03:54:39", "start": "03:54:36", "text": "them, but it's bad if you want to change"}, {"end": "03:54:43", "start": "03:54:37", "text": "their genes because it's really hard to"}, {"end": "03:54:44", "start": "03:54:39", "text": "edit things. So they needed an animal"}, {"end": "03:54:47", "start": "03:54:43", "text": "that was easier to manipulate and work"}, {"end": "03:54:50", "start": "03:54:44", "text": "with that was from a very well"}, {"end": "03:54:52", "start": "03:54:47", "text": "understood genome and dogs are super"}, {"end": "03:54:53", "start": "03:54:50", "text": "well understood. We understand"}, {"end": "03:54:55", "start": "03:54:52", "text": "everything about their DNA because we"}, {"end": "03:54:57", "start": "03:54:53", "text": "selectively breed them and you know"}, {"end": "03:54:59", "start": "03:54:55", "text": "that's why you have corgis versus like"}, {"end": "03:55:00", "start": "03:54:57", "text": "great Pyrenees and things like that. So"}, {"end": "03:55:02", "start": "03:54:59", "text": "they said, \"Well, would be really cool"}, {"end": "03:55:03", "start": "03:55:00", "text": "since they had a full genome of a"}, {"end": "03:55:05", "start": "03:55:02", "text": "direwolf to see if they could take a"}, {"end": "03:55:07", "start": "03:55:03", "text": "greywolf and kind of create a chimera.\""}, {"end": "03:55:09", "start": "03:55:05", "text": "So you take DNA from the direwolf and"}, {"end": "03:55:11", "start": "03:55:07", "text": "the DNA from the greywolf and you move"}, {"end": "03:55:13", "start": "03:55:09", "text": "genes over one after another and then"}, {"end": "03:55:15", "start": "03:55:11", "text": "eventually you get to something that"}, {"end": "03:55:17", "start": "03:55:13", "text": "will look like, act like, bark like,"}, {"end": "03:55:19", "start": "03:55:15", "text": "talk like a direwolf. Uh, and then it's"}, {"end": "03:55:22", "start": "03:55:17", "text": "a direwolf. And really the test is"}, {"end": "03:55:25", "start": "03:55:19", "text": "morphological. So you say, \"Okay, if I"}, {"end": "03:55:28", "start": "03:55:22", "text": "left it, if if I let it go 10,000 years"}, {"end": "03:55:30", "start": "03:55:25", "text": "ago, would it go find a direwolf pack"}, {"end": "03:55:31", "start": "03:55:28", "text": "and would they accept it as a direwolf?"}, {"end": "03:55:33", "start": "03:55:30", "text": "And if it bred with them, would they"}, {"end": "03:55:35", "start": "03:55:31", "text": "have children?\" If that's the case, it's"}, {"end": "03:55:38", "start": "03:55:33", "text": "a direwolf. And, you know, there's all"}, {"end": "03:55:41", "start": "03:55:35", "text": "these internet, actually, it's, you"}, {"end": "03:55:44", "start": "03:55:38", "text": "know, modified greywolf."}, {"end": "03:55:47", "start": "03:55:41", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] you. It's dude, it's if we found"}, {"end": "03:55:49", "start": "03:55:44", "text": "its bones, the the archaeologists would"}, {"end": "03:55:52", "start": "03:55:47", "text": "be like, \"Oh, that's uh that's a that's"}, {"end": "03:55:53", "start": "03:55:49", "text": "a direwolf skeleton right there, right?"}, {"end": "03:55:55", "start": "03:55:52", "text": "They wouldn't think for a moment that"}, {"end": "03:55:57", "start": "03:55:53", "text": "that's a genically engineered greywolf"}, {"end": "03:55:59", "start": "03:55:55", "text": "or things cuz it's identical to the"}, {"end": "03:56:01", "start": "03:55:57", "text": "direwolf. But what it does is it shows"}, {"end": "03:56:03", "start": "03:55:59", "text": "that it's the art of the possible. It's"}, {"end": "03:56:06", "start": "03:56:01", "text": "it's it's possible to take a modern"}, {"end": "03:56:10", "start": "03:56:03", "text": "animal and then adapt that animal to"}, {"end": "03:56:11", "start": "03:56:06", "text": "become an ancient animal. You can clone"}, {"end": "03:56:12", "start": "03:56:10", "text": "an ancient animal, but the challenge"}, {"end": "03:56:15", "start": "03:56:11", "text": "with cloning an ancient animal is the"}, {"end": "03:56:17", "start": "03:56:12", "text": "DNA is almost always incomplete, and you"}, {"end": "03:56:19", "start": "03:56:15", "text": "don't really know what you don't know."}, {"end": "03:56:20", "start": "03:56:17", "text": "So, you never find a full genome. It's"}, {"end": "03:56:22", "start": "03:56:19", "text": "not like when you find the direwolf,"}, {"end": "03:56:25", "start": "03:56:20", "text": "there's like a labeled vial in a freezer"}, {"end": "03:56:27", "start": "03:56:22", "text": "that says direwolf DNA. You find a skull"}, {"end": "03:56:29", "start": "03:56:25", "text": "or you find a tooth or, you know, you"}, {"end": "03:56:30", "start": "03:56:27", "text": "find something in a tar pit with a"}, {"end": "03:56:32", "start": "03:56:29", "text": "little bit of like ancient bone marrow."}, {"end": "03:56:34", "start": "03:56:30", "text": "And when you extract it, you get an"}, {"end": "03:56:35", "start": "03:56:32", "text": "incomplete reference and then you'll"}, {"end": "03:56:37", "start": "03:56:34", "text": "find another one. you extract. It's like"}, {"end": "03:56:39", "start": "03:56:35", "text": "a puzzle and you're kind of putting the"}, {"end": "03:56:41", "start": "03:56:37", "text": "pieces together in just the right way."}, {"end": "03:56:43", "start": "03:56:39", "text": "And there's people that this is all they"}, {"end": "03:56:46", "start": "03:56:41", "text": "do. They just study this stuff and they"}, {"end": "03:56:48", "start": "03:56:43", "text": "they say, \"Oh, okay. Um uh maybe we put"}, {"end": "03:56:49", "start": "03:56:46", "text": "the piece this way and the piece this"}, {"end": "03:56:50", "start": "03:56:48", "text": "way and the piece this way.\" And then"}, {"end": "03:56:52", "start": "03:56:49", "text": "over time, you kind of get a sense of"}, {"end": "03:56:54", "start": "03:56:50", "text": "what the genome actually looked like for"}, {"end": "03:56:55", "start": "03:56:52", "text": "that particular animal. And then if"}, {"end": "03:56:57", "start": "03:56:54", "text": "you're really lucky, you can actually"}, {"end": "03:56:59", "start": "03:56:55", "text": "start identifying which genes did what"}, {"end": "03:57:01", "start": "03:56:57", "text": "where. Like with the woolly mammoth,"}, {"end": "03:57:03", "start": "03:56:59", "text": "this gene makes the fluffy fur that"}, {"end": "03:57:05", "start": "03:57:01", "text": "makes them immune to the cold. And this"}, {"end": "03:57:07", "start": "03:57:03", "text": "gene makes them fat, which insulates"}, {"end": "03:57:09", "start": "03:57:05", "text": "them and they get higher brown fat. And"}, {"end": "03:57:11", "start": "03:57:07", "text": "this one makes their tusks curved and so"}, {"end": "03:57:12", "start": "03:57:09", "text": "forth. And then if you're really good at"}, {"end": "03:57:13", "start": "03:57:11", "text": "synthetic biology, you can actually test"}, {"end": "03:57:16", "start": "03:57:12", "text": "that type of stuff. So they actually"}, {"end": "03:57:18", "start": "03:57:13", "text": "created the woolly mouse. So if you"}, {"end": "03:57:19", "start": "03:57:16", "text": "Google it, you could see this super"}, {"end": "03:57:21", "start": "03:57:18", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] cute mouse where they took the"}, {"end": "03:57:23", "start": "03:57:19", "text": "genes that make the woolly mammoth fur"}, {"end": "03:57:24", "start": "03:57:21", "text": "and they put them in a mouse. And so the"}, {"end": "03:57:26", "start": "03:57:23", "text": "mouse looks like a woolly mammoth. It's"}, {"end": "03:57:28", "start": "03:57:24", "text": "got a little fur and it runs around."}, {"end": "03:57:30", "start": "03:57:26", "text": "It's super cute. But it then says, \"Hey,"}, {"end": "03:57:31", "start": "03:57:28", "text": "we thought it made the fur and the mouse"}, {"end": "03:57:33", "start": "03:57:30", "text": "has the fur.\" and and when we take the"}, {"end": "03:57:35", "start": "03:57:31", "text": "fur off the mouse, it looks a lot like"}, {"end": "03:57:37", "start": "03:57:33", "text": "the samples we have in the tarpit. So,"}, {"end": "03:57:39", "start": "03:57:35", "text": "yeah, that's the that's the gene that"}, {"end": "03:57:40", "start": "03:57:37", "text": "does that. Uh, and then what you do is"}, {"end": "03:57:42", "start": "03:57:39", "text": "take the elephant genome and just like"}, {"end": "03:57:44", "start": "03:57:40", "text": "the wolf, you move the genes over one"}, {"end": "03:57:46", "start": "03:57:42", "text": "after another and over time you get to a"}, {"end": "03:57:50", "start": "03:57:44", "text": "point where you have a mammoth and there"}, {"end": "03:57:52", "start": "03:57:46", "text": "you go. So, that's kind of like 1.0. Um"}, {"end": "03:57:54", "start": "03:57:50", "text": "then as you move further down the road"}, {"end": "03:57:56", "start": "03:57:52", "text": "as AI gets more advanced and the"}, {"end": "03:57:59", "start": "03:57:54", "text": "bioinformatic models get more advanced"}, {"end": "03:58:01", "start": "03:57:56", "text": "then you escape the bounds of chimearas"}, {"end": "03:58:04", "start": "03:57:59", "text": "and you say okay no longer are we going"}, {"end": "03:58:06", "start": "03:58:01", "text": "to go produce things that are just"}, {"end": "03:58:08", "start": "03:58:04", "text": "similacra of old animals you know"}, {"end": "03:58:10", "start": "03:58:06", "text": "representation instead why don't we make"}, {"end": "03:58:12", "start": "03:58:08", "text": "new organisms and this is really"}, {"end": "03:58:15", "start": "03:58:10", "text": "interesting because you can then make an"}, {"end": "03:58:17", "start": "03:58:12", "text": "organism perfectly adapted for the"}, {"end": "03:58:18", "start": "03:58:15", "text": "current environment that we're running"}, {"end": "03:58:20", "start": "03:58:17", "text": "into. So, for example, look at the Great"}, {"end": "03:58:23", "start": "03:58:18", "text": "Barrier Reef. You know, if my"}, {"end": "03:58:26", "start": "03:58:20", "text": "great-grandfather went to Australia and"}, {"end": "03:58:28", "start": "03:58:23", "text": "scuba dive down, you know, and saw the"}, {"end": "03:58:30", "start": "03:58:26", "text": "Great Barrier Reef, it would be a lush,"}, {"end": "03:58:32", "start": "03:58:28", "text": "vibrant, beautiful area. But now, if you"}, {"end": "03:58:33", "start": "03:58:30", "text": "go and see it, like a lot of the coral"}, {"end": "03:58:35", "start": "03:58:32", "text": "down there has been destroyed because of"}, {"end": "03:58:36", "start": "03:58:33", "text": "rising ocean temperature. So, it's"}, {"end": "03:58:38", "start": "03:58:35", "text": "bleached. And you can see images before"}, {"end": "03:58:41", "start": "03:58:36", "text": "and after of the Great Barrier Reef"}, {"end": "03:58:43", "start": "03:58:38", "text": "because coral doesn't have very good"}, {"end": "03:58:45", "start": "03:58:41", "text": "mechanisms to main maintain homeostasis"}, {"end": "03:58:47", "start": "03:58:43", "text": "with environmental variation. We as"}, {"end": "03:58:49", "start": "03:58:45", "text": "humans, these meat suits are well"}, {"end": "03:58:51", "start": "03:58:47", "text": "adapted. So you can put a human in a"}, {"end": "03:58:53", "start": "03:58:49", "text": "very cold environment or a very hot"}, {"end": "03:58:55", "start": "03:58:51", "text": "environment and where body temperature"}, {"end": "03:58:56", "start": "03:58:53", "text": "will stay stable because we have all"}, {"end": "03:58:58", "start": "03:58:55", "text": "these regulating mechanisms. Coral"}, {"end": "03:59:01", "start": "03:58:56", "text": "doesn't have that. So if the ocean"}, {"end": "03:59:02", "start": "03:58:58", "text": "temperature changes too quickly uh or"}, {"end": "03:59:04", "start": "03:59:01", "text": "even just by a few degrees in some"}, {"end": "03:59:06", "start": "03:59:02", "text": "cases, it'll kill the coral. So what if"}, {"end": "03:59:08", "start": "03:59:04", "text": "you genetically engineer the coral,"}, {"end": "03:59:10", "start": "03:59:06", "text": "create a new type of coral that has that"}, {"end": "03:59:12", "start": "03:59:08", "text": "regulating mechanism so it's better"}, {"end": "03:59:13", "start": "03:59:10", "text": "adapted for that type of thing. Then"}, {"end": "03:59:17", "start": "03:59:12", "text": "suddenly you can repopulate the Great"}, {"end": "03:59:18", "start": "03:59:13", "text": "Barrier Reef and we get it back. So some"}, {"end": "03:59:20", "start": "03:59:17", "text": "people are like, \"How dare you do that?\""}, {"end": "03:59:22", "start": "03:59:18", "text": "You know, and probably Greta will be"}, {"end": "03:59:24", "start": "03:59:20", "text": "angry with us and like you've taken my"}, {"end": "03:59:26", "start": "03:59:22", "text": "future, but [\u00a0__\u00a0] her, you know? It's"}, {"end": "03:59:28", "start": "03:59:24", "text": "like I don't care. You know, it's it's"}, {"end": "03:59:31", "start": "03:59:26", "text": "it we we broke it. We bought it. And so"}, {"end": "03:59:33", "start": "03:59:28", "text": "we are we are masters of the world and"}, {"end": "03:59:35", "start": "03:59:31", "text": "it's ours to do with as we please. And"}, {"end": "03:59:37", "start": "03:59:33", "text": "we can kill everything or we can rebuild"}, {"end": "03:59:39", "start": "03:59:35", "text": "everything. So you know what? Why don't"}, {"end": "03:59:40", "start": "03:59:37", "text": "we just be good stewards of the thing?"}, {"end": "03:59:42", "start": "03:59:39", "text": "And if we broke something, let's fix it."}, {"end": "03:59:44", "start": "03:59:40", "text": "And that's ultimately in my view as an"}, {"end": "03:59:46", "start": "03:59:42", "text": "investor in Colossal and as somebody who"}, {"end": "03:59:48", "start": "03:59:44", "text": "likes synthetic biology, that's the"}, {"end": "03:59:51", "start": "03:59:46", "text": "philosophy that I take with this"}, {"end": "03:59:53", "start": "03:59:48", "text": "technology is it gives us a toolkit to"}, {"end": "03:59:55", "start": "03:59:51", "text": "deal with the consequences of modernity."}, {"end": "03:59:59", "start": "03:59:53", "text": "The world wasn't designed for 8 billion"}, {"end": "04:00:02", "start": "03:59:55", "text": "humans with roads everywhere and power"}, {"end": "04:00:03", "start": "03:59:59", "text": "lines everywhere and chemical plants"}, {"end": "04:00:05", "start": "04:00:02", "text": "everywhere and cars driving everywhere"}, {"end": "04:00:06", "start": "04:00:03", "text": "and planes driving everywhere. It just"}, {"end": "04:00:09", "start": "04:00:05", "text": "wasn't built for that. It was built for"}, {"end": "04:00:11", "start": "04:00:06", "text": "a different thing. We decided to do"}, {"end": "04:00:13", "start": "04:00:09", "text": "that. It has consequences. We can"}, {"end": "04:00:15", "start": "04:00:11", "text": "complain about them or we can just fix"}, {"end": "04:00:17", "start": "04:00:13", "text": "them. And fixing them means you're going"}, {"end": "04:00:19", "start": "04:00:15", "text": "to have to genetically engineer things"}, {"end": "04:00:21", "start": "04:00:17", "text": "to be more adapted to this new"}, {"end": "04:00:23", "start": "04:00:19", "text": "environment. So, some things have to be"}, {"end": "04:00:24", "start": "04:00:21", "text": "more tolerant of the heat. Some things"}, {"end": "04:00:25", "start": "04:00:23", "text": "have to deal with new chemicals or"}, {"end": "04:00:27", "start": "04:00:24", "text": "compounds or other things we've"}, {"end": "04:00:29", "start": "04:00:25", "text": "introduced into the atmosphere. Like"}, {"end": "04:00:32", "start": "04:00:27", "text": "look at the forever chemicals. You know,"}, {"end": "04:00:34", "start": "04:00:29", "text": "you got shoes that are waterproof. They"}, {"end": "04:00:36", "start": "04:00:32", "text": "have PFAs and other things on them that"}, {"end": "04:00:38", "start": "04:00:34", "text": "make them the Gortex and the waterproof."}, {"end": "04:00:39", "start": "04:00:36", "text": "Well, those forever chemicals stick"}, {"end": "04:00:41", "start": "04:00:38", "text": "around and they cause cancer. I think"}, {"end": "04:00:44", "start": "04:00:39", "text": "microplastics are another example of"}, {"end": "04:00:45", "start": "04:00:41", "text": "that. 10 out of 10 penises at this point"}, {"end": "04:00:47", "start": "04:00:44", "text": "have microplastics in them, you know,"}, {"end": "04:00:49", "start": "04:00:45", "text": "and uh that's why fertility is probably"}, {"end": "04:00:51", "start": "04:00:47", "text": "plummeting. We're half as fertile today"}, {"end": "04:00:53", "start": "04:00:49", "text": "as we were in the 1970s. Probably"}, {"end": "04:00:55", "start": "04:00:51", "text": "microplastics in the balls have a lot to"}, {"end": "04:00:56", "start": "04:00:53", "text": "do with that. We can complain about it"}, {"end": "04:00:58", "start": "04:00:55", "text": "or we can fix that problem. So why don't"}, {"end": "04:01:00", "start": "04:00:56", "text": "we make organisms that eat the"}, {"end": "04:01:02", "start": "04:00:58", "text": "microplastics? So the there's a"}, {"end": "04:01:05", "start": "04:01:00", "text": "recycling mechanism so nature can"}, {"end": "04:01:08", "start": "04:01:02", "text": "process that. Nature will do that but it"}, {"end": "04:01:10", "start": "04:01:05", "text": "does it on a scale of millions of years."}, {"end": "04:01:13", "start": "04:01:08", "text": "We can do that and we can do it on a"}, {"end": "04:01:16", "start": "04:01:10", "text": "scale of months or you know years to"}, {"end": "04:01:17", "start": "04:01:13", "text": "decades which means that we have some"}, {"end": "04:01:20", "start": "04:01:16", "text": "hope of solving the problem before it"}, {"end": "04:01:21", "start": "04:01:17", "text": "destroys. Have we made an organism that"}, {"end": "04:01:23", "start": "04:01:20", "text": "eats microplastics? Yeah, we've made"}, {"end": "04:01:26", "start": "04:01:21", "text": "organisms that do. There's bacteria that"}, {"end": "04:01:28", "start": "04:01:23", "text": "now eat uh eat plastics, you know, and"}, {"end": "04:01:30", "start": "04:01:26", "text": "uh and pretty much anything you want to"}, {"end": "04:01:32", "start": "04:01:28", "text": "do you can do. In fact, they're they"}, {"end": "04:01:35", "start": "04:01:30", "text": "they've even developed an STD for"}, {"end": "04:01:37", "start": "04:01:32", "text": "mosquitoes to to basically kill them so"}, {"end": "04:01:38", "start": "04:01:35", "text": "that they don't spread malaria. So,"}, {"end": "04:01:41", "start": "04:01:37", "text": "they're right now working on this fungal"}, {"end": "04:01:42", "start": "04:01:38", "text": "STD and this, you know, I don't know how"}, {"end": "04:01:43", "start": "04:01:41", "text": "they administer it to the mosquitoes,"}, {"end": "04:01:45", "start": "04:01:42", "text": "but you know, they're getting all these"}, {"end": "04:01:46", "start": "04:01:43", "text": "mosquitoes jacked up and then they go"}, {"end": "04:01:49", "start": "04:01:45", "text": "and breed with each other and it spreads"}, {"end": "04:01:51", "start": "04:01:46", "text": "like a parasite and it it's eradicating"}, {"end": "04:01:53", "start": "04:01:49", "text": "big piles of mosquitoes. Why? Because"}, {"end": "04:01:54", "start": "04:01:51", "text": "they spread malaria and they've killed"}, {"end": "04:01:56", "start": "04:01:53", "text": "hundreds of millions of people because"}, {"end": "04:02:00", "start": "04:01:54", "text": "they spread malaria. Is it a good idea?"}, {"end": "04:02:03", "start": "04:01:56", "text": "Is it a bad idea? Who knows? There's um"}, {"end": "04:02:06", "start": "04:02:00", "text": "people go around uh irradiating a"}, {"end": "04:02:08", "start": "04:02:03", "text": "special type of parasite fly in Central"}, {"end": "04:02:10", "start": "04:02:06", "text": "America and South America and they take"}, {"end": "04:02:11", "start": "04:02:08", "text": "these radioactive parasite flies and"}, {"end": "04:02:13", "start": "04:02:10", "text": "they air drop them down and they've been"}, {"end": "04:02:15", "start": "04:02:11", "text": "doing it for decades because then when"}, {"end": "04:02:17", "start": "04:02:13", "text": "they they breed with the other ones they"}, {"end": "04:02:20", "start": "04:02:15", "text": "actually um uh don't propagate the"}, {"end": "04:02:23", "start": "04:02:17", "text": "species and it controls the population."}, {"end": "04:02:25", "start": "04:02:20", "text": "So geoengineering and uh and genetic"}, {"end": "04:02:28", "start": "04:02:23", "text": "engineering and synthetic biology it has"}, {"end": "04:02:30", "start": "04:02:25", "text": "its role in plays and the problem isn't"}, {"end": "04:02:31", "start": "04:02:28", "text": "the technology. The problem is we don't"}, {"end": "04:02:34", "start": "04:02:30", "text": "have the right mediums to have an adult"}, {"end": "04:02:35", "start": "04:02:31", "text": "conversation about the technology."}, {"end": "04:02:38", "start": "04:02:34", "text": "Whenever you look at these things there"}, {"end": "04:02:40", "start": "04:02:35", "text": "has to be a way for humans to come"}, {"end": "04:02:42", "start": "04:02:38", "text": "together and say what should we do with"}, {"end": "04:02:44", "start": "04:02:40", "text": "this and come together as a community"}, {"end": "04:02:47", "start": "04:02:42", "text": "and have an adult conversation. is like,"}, {"end": "04:02:49", "start": "04:02:44", "text": "okay, so should we eradicate the"}, {"end": "04:02:52", "start": "04:02:47", "text": "mosquitoes which gene drives or not in"}, {"end": "04:02:54", "start": "04:02:49", "text": "these areas? Uh should we change the"}, {"end": "04:02:56", "start": "04:02:52", "text": "coral so it's better adapted for this?"}, {"end": "04:02:58", "start": "04:02:54", "text": "Should we do this? Should we do this?"}, {"end": "04:03:00", "start": "04:02:56", "text": "And what are the consequences of this"}, {"end": "04:03:02", "start": "04:02:58", "text": "thing? Is it irreversible? Meaning if we"}, {"end": "04:03:04", "start": "04:03:00", "text": "do it, we can't fix it. Procedural"}, {"end": "04:03:07", "start": "04:03:02", "text": "inevitability. Um is it reversible but"}, {"end": "04:03:09", "start": "04:03:04", "text": "expensive and costly? And sadly, we"}, {"end": "04:03:10", "start": "04:03:07", "text": "don't have governance structures that do"}, {"end": "04:03:12", "start": "04:03:09", "text": "these types of things. We don't. The"}, {"end": "04:03:14", "start": "04:03:10", "text": "Uriccoy did. They called it the seventh"}, {"end": "04:03:16", "start": "04:03:12", "text": "generation concept. is where they say"}, {"end": "04:03:18", "start": "04:03:14", "text": "the decision we're making today, what"}, {"end": "04:03:20", "start": "04:03:16", "text": "impact will it have on the seventh"}, {"end": "04:03:22", "start": "04:03:18", "text": "generation down the line. So you kind of"}, {"end": "04:03:24", "start": "04:03:20", "text": "think to the future and you say that"}, {"end": "04:03:25", "start": "04:03:22", "text": "maybe capitalism needs to be changed a"}, {"end": "04:03:26", "start": "04:03:24", "text": "little bit to do this. Like imagine if"}, {"end": "04:03:28", "start": "04:03:25", "text": "you had a dual monetary system. You had"}, {"end": "04:03:31", "start": "04:03:26", "text": "today money and future money. You needed"}, {"end": "04:03:33", "start": "04:03:28", "text": "both of them to buy stuff and so you"}, {"end": "04:03:34", "start": "04:03:31", "text": "earn today money just like you do now."}, {"end": "04:03:37", "start": "04:03:33", "text": "You make your podcast and these things"}, {"end": "04:03:38", "start": "04:03:34", "text": "and have sponsors and they pay you. But"}, {"end": "04:03:39", "start": "04:03:37", "text": "then future money, you can only earn"}, {"end": "04:03:42", "start": "04:03:38", "text": "that by doing something good for the"}, {"end": "04:03:45", "start": "04:03:39", "text": "world 100 years from now. And so that"}, {"end": "04:03:46", "start": "04:03:42", "text": "changes all the things in capitalism."}, {"end": "04:03:48", "start": "04:03:45", "text": "There's going to be whole companies"}, {"end": "04:03:50", "start": "04:03:46", "text": "focused on making future money. So"}, {"end": "04:03:52", "start": "04:03:48", "text": "they're doing all this stuff that no one"}, {"end": "04:03:55", "start": "04:03:50", "text": "alive today this is happening. Well, no,"}, {"end": "04:03:56", "start": "04:03:52", "text": "imagine it as a as a concept, you know."}, {"end": "04:03:58", "start": "04:03:55", "text": "Well, then we wouldn't have a lot of"}, {"end": "04:03:59", "start": "04:03:56", "text": "these short-term problems, would we?"}, {"end": "04:04:02", "start": "04:03:58", "text": "Global warming would be inconceivable"}, {"end": "04:04:03", "start": "04:03:59", "text": "or, you know, any any of these uh"}, {"end": "04:04:05", "start": "04:04:02", "text": "environmental concerns would be"}, {"end": "04:04:07", "start": "04:04:03", "text": "inconceivable because like you can't"}, {"end": "04:04:09", "start": "04:04:05", "text": "make future money if you're destroying"}, {"end": "04:04:10", "start": "04:04:07", "text": "the world of tomorrow. you can only make"}, {"end": "04:04:12", "start": "04:04:09", "text": "future money by helping the world of"}, {"end": "04:04:14", "start": "04:04:10", "text": "tomorrow or building longer term"}, {"end": "04:04:17", "start": "04:04:12", "text": "government systems. So, you get what you"}, {"end": "04:04:20", "start": "04:04:14", "text": "pay for in an incentives thing. And uh"}, {"end": "04:04:22", "start": "04:04:17", "text": "and the so I always ask like why can't I"}, {"end": "04:04:24", "start": "04:04:20", "text": "have a conversation about what we should"}, {"end": "04:04:26", "start": "04:04:22", "text": "do with these tools like what Colossal"}, {"end": "04:04:28", "start": "04:04:24", "text": "is building or what we're doing with the"}, {"end": "04:04:30", "start": "04:04:26", "text": "plant company? Well, because the"}, {"end": "04:04:32", "start": "04:04:28", "text": "incentive system is not set up for that."}, {"end": "04:04:35", "start": "04:04:30", "text": "It's set up for short-term gains. How do"}, {"end": "04:04:36", "start": "04:04:32", "text": "we make money as fast as possible, you"}, {"end": "04:04:38", "start": "04:04:35", "text": "know, from as many people as possible to"}, {"end": "04:04:40", "start": "04:04:36", "text": "maximize our local short-term utility?"}, {"end": "04:04:42", "start": "04:04:38", "text": "If the incentives problem is set up that"}, {"end": "04:04:44", "start": "04:04:40", "text": "you have to make both short and"}, {"end": "04:04:45", "start": "04:04:42", "text": "long-term decisions, then capitalism"}, {"end": "04:04:47", "start": "04:04:44", "text": "would be tuned differently and then"}, {"end": "04:04:50", "start": "04:04:45", "text": "people would make different decisions"}, {"end": "04:04:52", "start": "04:04:47", "text": "based upon these things. Uh so, um"}, {"end": "04:04:54", "start": "04:04:50", "text": "what's cool about Colossal though is it"}, {"end": "04:04:56", "start": "04:04:52", "text": "it does show the art of the possible and"}, {"end": "04:04:59", "start": "04:04:54", "text": "it it's one of those few companies where"}, {"end": "04:05:01", "start": "04:04:56", "text": "it's so blatantly obvious that there"}, {"end": "04:05:03", "start": "04:04:59", "text": "does need to be a conversation. There"}, {"end": "04:05:04", "start": "04:05:01", "text": "does need to be a different way of"}, {"end": "04:05:06", "start": "04:05:03", "text": "discussing this than how we've"}, {"end": "04:05:07", "start": "04:05:04", "text": "historically done these types of"}, {"end": "04:05:09", "start": "04:05:06", "text": "discussions. There needs to be a"}, {"end": "04:05:12", "start": "04:05:07", "text": "different zeitgeist about these types of"}, {"end": "04:05:14", "start": "04:05:09", "text": "things because we're so far removed now"}, {"end": "04:05:16", "start": "04:05:12", "text": "from I'm making a cell phone application"}, {"end": "04:05:19", "start": "04:05:14", "text": "or, you know, I'm making a website or"}, {"end": "04:05:20", "start": "04:05:16", "text": "I'm making, you know, black rifle coffee"}, {"end": "04:05:23", "start": "04:05:19", "text": "or something like that. It's so far"}, {"end": "04:05:25", "start": "04:05:20", "text": "removed from that standard thing. You're"}, {"end": "04:05:27", "start": "04:05:23", "text": "literally talking about like, hey, you"}, {"end": "04:05:30", "start": "04:05:25", "text": "know, um, what type of animal should we"}, {"end": "04:05:32", "start": "04:05:27", "text": "make today? Would you like a turducken?"}, {"end": "04:05:34", "start": "04:05:30", "text": "you know, would would you like your"}, {"end": "04:05:36", "start": "04:05:32", "text": "jackaloupe? You know, you could do it if"}, {"end": "04:05:38", "start": "04:05:34", "text": "you really wanted to, you know, and I I"}, {"end": "04:05:40", "start": "04:05:36", "text": "even thought about like if we made a"}, {"end": "04:05:42", "start": "04:05:38", "text": "unicorn, like what would that be like a"}, {"end": "04:05:45", "start": "04:05:40", "text": "narwhal with a horn or is it like more"}, {"end": "04:05:47", "start": "04:05:42", "text": "like a rhino, you know? Is it a horn? Is"}, {"end": "04:05:48", "start": "04:05:45", "text": "it more like a fingernail that just got"}, {"end": "04:05:50", "start": "04:05:47", "text": "really big? Like like how would you do"}, {"end": "04:05:52", "start": "04:05:48", "text": "that with him? Like what a horse's skull"}, {"end": "04:05:53", "start": "04:05:50", "text": "look like to make it like a unicorn? How"}, {"end": "04:05:55", "start": "04:05:52", "text": "would that work? You could probably"}, {"end": "04:05:57", "start": "04:05:53", "text": "figure it out if you're really motivated"}, {"end": "04:05:58", "start": "04:05:55", "text": "to do that. You can make them glow in"}, {"end": "04:06:00", "start": "04:05:57", "text": "the dark, too, if you wanted to. You"}, {"end": "04:06:01", "start": "04:05:58", "text": "know, you can do all kinds of crazy"}, {"end": "04:06:04", "start": "04:06:00", "text": "stuff with these animals. Should you do"}, {"end": "04:06:06", "start": "04:06:01", "text": "it? Who gets to say no? When do they get"}, {"end": "04:06:08", "start": "04:06:04", "text": "to say no? What what conditions do they"}, {"end": "04:06:10", "start": "04:06:06", "text": "get to say no? How do they say no? It's"}, {"end": "04:06:14", "start": "04:06:08", "text": "an interesting thing. Why don't we talk"}, {"end": "04:06:16", "start": "04:06:10", "text": "about that instead of taxes at this rate"}, {"end": "04:06:18", "start": "04:06:14", "text": "or, you know, who gets to use this"}, {"end": "04:06:20", "start": "04:06:16", "text": "bathroom or this thing or that thing?"}, {"end": "04:06:23", "start": "04:06:18", "text": "It's so exhausting. It's like the same"}, {"end": "04:06:25", "start": "04:06:20", "text": "15 15 [\u00a0__\u00a0] conversations again and"}, {"end": "04:06:28", "start": "04:06:23", "text": "again. Meanwhile, the world is moving at"}, {"end": "04:06:29", "start": "04:06:25", "text": "this breakneck, blinding speed, and"}, {"end": "04:06:31", "start": "04:06:28", "text": "we're gaining all these amazing new"}, {"end": "04:06:35", "start": "04:06:29", "text": "capabilities and technologies, and we're"}, {"end": "04:06:37", "start": "04:06:31", "text": "just stuck in the same 15 conversations."}, {"end": "04:06:39", "start": "04:06:35", "text": "It's amazing how bureaucracy can get in"}, {"end": "04:06:44", "start": "04:06:37", "text": "the way, isn't it? Yeah. Also, social"}, {"end": "04:06:44", "start": "04:06:39", "text": "structures, they're due for an upgrade."}, {"end": "04:07:10", "start": "04:07:07", "text": "Saw this building."}, {"end": "04:07:14", "start": "04:07:11", "text": "We're high."}, {"end": "04:07:23", "start": "04:07:19", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "04:08:00", "start": "04:07:56", "text": "You know, you have you have some fears"}, {"end": "04:08:04", "start": "04:07:58", "text": "with this though as well. We had talked"}, {"end": "04:08:05", "start": "04:08:00", "text": "about at breakfast um how you have had"}, {"end": "04:08:08", "start": "04:08:04", "text": "some conversations with I believe"}, {"end": "04:08:11", "start": "04:08:05", "text": "senators on how to regulate this kind of"}, {"end": "04:08:13", "start": "04:08:08", "text": "thing and you you had briefly brought up"}, {"end": "04:08:16", "start": "04:08:11", "text": "China's"}, {"end": "04:08:18", "start": "04:08:13", "text": "experimentation program where they're"}, {"end": "04:08:21", "start": "04:08:16", "text": "they're trying to build a super soldier."}, {"end": "04:08:22", "start": "04:08:18", "text": "Yeah. Well, we are too. There's a DARPA"}, {"end": "04:08:24", "start": "04:08:21", "text": "program for it and these things. So,"}, {"end": "04:08:26", "start": "04:08:22", "text": "it's like it's everybody wants a super"}, {"end": "04:08:28", "start": "04:08:24", "text": "soldier, right? And you make them learn"}, {"end": "04:08:30", "start": "04:08:26", "text": "faster. where you you know you find ways"}, {"end": "04:08:31", "start": "04:08:28", "text": "to make them run harder and it's no"}, {"end": "04:08:33", "start": "04:08:30", "text": "different than the Nazis when they were"}, {"end": "04:08:35", "start": "04:08:31", "text": "giving people meth. They had a drug"}, {"end": "04:08:37", "start": "04:08:33", "text": "called pervatin which was meth and they"}, {"end": "04:08:38", "start": "04:08:35", "text": "just they and during blitzkrieg like in"}, {"end": "04:08:40", "start": "04:08:37", "text": "the early days they just gave everybody"}, {"end": "04:08:43", "start": "04:08:38", "text": "tons of meth. So those guys that were"}, {"end": "04:08:45", "start": "04:08:40", "text": "rolling in Poland they were so high and"}, {"end": "04:08:46", "start": "04:08:43", "text": "even Hitler was taking tons of it and"}, {"end": "04:08:48", "start": "04:08:45", "text": "and then they learned only after the"}, {"end": "04:08:50", "start": "04:08:46", "text": "fact that wow there's some really"}, {"end": "04:08:52", "start": "04:08:48", "text": "serious consequences to having like an"}, {"end": "04:08:56", "start": "04:08:50", "text": "entire army of people on meth for a"}, {"end": "04:08:59", "start": "04:08:52", "text": "protracted period of time. So, um, but"}, {"end": "04:09:00", "start": "04:08:56", "text": "militaries seldom, uh, you know, seldom"}, {"end": "04:09:02", "start": "04:08:59", "text": "think of long-term consequences. They"}, {"end": "04:09:04", "start": "04:09:00", "text": "just want to win battles. And, um,"}, {"end": "04:09:05", "start": "04:09:02", "text": "unfortunately, that's an incentives"}, {"end": "04:09:08", "start": "04:09:04", "text": "problem. Again, if you tune a system and"}, {"end": "04:09:11", "start": "04:09:05", "text": "say your objective is to win at any cost"}, {"end": "04:09:14", "start": "04:09:08", "text": "or defeat this very scary adversary, you"}, {"end": "04:09:17", "start": "04:09:11", "text": "will take shortcuts to facilitate that."}, {"end": "04:09:20", "start": "04:09:14", "text": "It is what it is. Uh, we can invade"}, {"end": "04:09:22", "start": "04:09:17", "text": "Japan or we can drop some nukes on them."}, {"end": "04:09:24", "start": "04:09:20", "text": "You know, we invade Japan. MacArthur"}, {"end": "04:09:25", "start": "04:09:22", "text": "will do it. He knows how to do it. He"}, {"end": "04:09:27", "start": "04:09:24", "text": "was pretty good at it. It'll take a year"}, {"end": "04:09:30", "start": "04:09:25", "text": "and it'll kill a million people. We drop"}, {"end": "04:09:32", "start": "04:09:27", "text": "some nukes. Maybe it ends faster. It"}, {"end": "04:09:33", "start": "04:09:30", "text": "also shows the Russians that we have the"}, {"end": "04:09:35", "start": "04:09:32", "text": "nukes. So, you know what? Maybe instead"}, {"end": "04:09:37", "start": "04:09:33", "text": "of having North Japan owned by the"}, {"end": "04:09:38", "start": "04:09:35", "text": "Soviets and South Japan owned by the"}, {"end": "04:09:41", "start": "04:09:37", "text": "Americans, it's one country and we have"}, {"end": "04:09:42", "start": "04:09:38", "text": "total control out of it. That's what"}, {"end": "04:09:44", "start": "04:09:41", "text": "ended up happening. But, you know, you"}, {"end": "04:09:47", "start": "04:09:42", "text": "drop nukes on people. It's pretty"}, {"end": "04:09:50", "start": "04:09:44", "text": "horrible, right? So that's the thing is"}, {"end": "04:09:53", "start": "04:09:47", "text": "like you you know that if you leave"}, {"end": "04:09:55", "start": "04:09:50", "text": "incentives in a particular way people"}, {"end": "04:09:57", "start": "04:09:53", "text": "will naturally abuse the technology. Not"}, {"end": "04:09:58", "start": "04:09:55", "text": "because they're evil and not because"}, {"end": "04:10:00", "start": "04:09:57", "text": "they're horrible monsters and they're"}, {"end": "04:10:02", "start": "04:09:58", "text": "all Dr. Mangalas and things. It's"}, {"end": "04:10:04", "start": "04:10:00", "text": "because their incentive reference is"}, {"end": "04:10:06", "start": "04:10:02", "text": "fundamentally different than what's good"}, {"end": "04:10:07", "start": "04:10:04", "text": "for the commons."}, {"end": "04:10:09", "start": "04:10:06", "text": "And whenever you see a mismatch there"}, {"end": "04:10:12", "start": "04:10:07", "text": "between those two in any system,"}, {"end": "04:10:15", "start": "04:10:09", "text": "financial systems, education systems,"}, {"end": "04:10:17", "start": "04:10:12", "text": "uh, weapons systems, you have to"}, {"end": "04:10:19", "start": "04:10:15", "text": "regulate it a little bit, you have to"}, {"end": "04:10:21", "start": "04:10:17", "text": "put something in there that says, \"Okay,"}, {"end": "04:10:22", "start": "04:10:19", "text": "I have to realign these and force people"}, {"end": "04:10:25", "start": "04:10:21", "text": "to pay attention.\" It's why in"}, {"end": "04:10:27", "start": "04:10:22", "text": "construction, you have the concept of a"}, {"end": "04:10:29", "start": "04:10:25", "text": "building inspector. Because if my"}, {"end": "04:10:31", "start": "04:10:27", "text": "incentive as a builder is to get it done"}, {"end": "04:10:34", "start": "04:10:29", "text": "as cheap as possible, as fast as"}, {"end": "04:10:36", "start": "04:10:31", "text": "possible, and just get my guys out so I"}, {"end": "04:10:38", "start": "04:10:34", "text": "can go build something else, maybe, just"}, {"end": "04:10:40", "start": "04:10:36", "text": "maybe, I don't wire it up correctly. And"}, {"end": "04:10:42", "start": "04:10:38", "text": "if the person buying that is not a"}, {"end": "04:10:45", "start": "04:10:40", "text": "skilled builder, they don't have the the"}, {"end": "04:10:47", "start": "04:10:42", "text": "requisite knowledge to verify that I"}, {"end": "04:10:48", "start": "04:10:45", "text": "didn't do the electrical panel right."}, {"end": "04:10:50", "start": "04:10:47", "text": "So, they're going to sit on a time bomb"}, {"end": "04:10:51", "start": "04:10:48", "text": "and it's going to burn down and kill"}, {"end": "04:10:53", "start": "04:10:50", "text": "them. So, that's why you have a third"}, {"end": "04:10:54", "start": "04:10:51", "text": "party, a building inspector that comes"}, {"end": "04:10:57", "start": "04:10:53", "text": "in and says, \"You didn't wire this"}, {"end": "04:11:00", "start": "04:10:54", "text": "right. you got to go do it again. That's"}, {"end": "04:11:02", "start": "04:10:57", "text": "regulation. It's not always bad. And"}, {"end": "04:11:04", "start": "04:11:00", "text": "synthetic biology is a great example of"}, {"end": "04:11:07", "start": "04:11:02", "text": "that. Our local incentives are one way,"}, {"end": "04:11:09", "start": "04:11:04", "text": "but who's looking out for the long term?"}, {"end": "04:11:11", "start": "04:11:07", "text": "And who's looking out also for the"}, {"end": "04:11:14", "start": "04:11:09", "text": "society scale consequences? Not just of"}, {"end": "04:11:16", "start": "04:11:11", "text": "the nation state, but the world as a"}, {"end": "04:11:18", "start": "04:11:14", "text": "whole and these types of things. Who"}, {"end": "04:11:20", "start": "04:11:16", "text": "speaks for the jellyfish? You know, you"}, {"end": "04:11:22", "start": "04:11:18", "text": "know, so so you have to you have to have"}, {"end": "04:11:24", "start": "04:11:20", "text": "some framework for it. 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We got this right"}, {"end": "04:11:43", "start": "04:11:39", "text": "with the internet and internet scale"}, {"end": "04:11:45", "start": "04:11:41", "text": "governance. There was a time when the"}, {"end": "04:11:47", "start": "04:11:43", "text": "internet could have been radically"}, {"end": "04:11:49", "start": "04:11:45", "text": "different. We had the NSF AUP and the"}, {"end": "04:11:51", "start": "04:11:47", "text": "acceptable use policy there forbade"}, {"end": "04:11:52", "start": "04:11:49", "text": "e-commerce on the internet, could sell"}, {"end": "04:11:55", "start": "04:11:51", "text": "things on the internet. Think about"}, {"end": "04:11:57", "start": "04:11:52", "text": "that. Then we also had this window of"}, {"end": "04:11:59", "start": "04:11:55", "text": "time where the Department of Justice was"}, {"end": "04:12:01", "start": "04:11:57", "text": "trying to push so that SSL had a back"}, {"end": "04:12:04", "start": "04:11:59", "text": "door in it and all and the US government"}, {"end": "04:12:06", "start": "04:12:01", "text": "could decrypt any website, any any web"}, {"end": "04:12:08", "start": "04:12:04", "text": "traffic, just everybody in the world"}, {"end": "04:12:09", "start": "04:12:06", "text": "would have to have a back door right"}, {"end": "04:12:11", "start": "04:12:08", "text": "there. That's just horrible to really"}, {"end": "04:12:14", "start": "04:12:09", "text": "think about the consequences of that."}, {"end": "04:12:16", "start": "04:12:11", "text": "But luckily we sidestepped it and some"}, {"end": "04:12:18", "start": "04:12:14", "text": "court cases that were very seminal and"}, {"end": "04:12:19", "start": "04:12:16", "text": "some good policy that was very seinal."}, {"end": "04:12:20", "start": "04:12:18", "text": "We were able to get to global scale and"}, {"end": "04:12:22", "start": "04:12:19", "text": "said you know the internet is a global"}, {"end": "04:12:24", "start": "04:12:20", "text": "concern. So it belongs to everybody and"}, {"end": "04:12:27", "start": "04:12:22", "text": "everybody gets to use it. Even the bad"}, {"end": "04:12:28", "start": "04:12:24", "text": "guys like the Russians and the Iranians"}, {"end": "04:12:30", "start": "04:12:27", "text": "and these people they use the same"}, {"end": "04:12:34", "start": "04:12:28", "text": "internet as the United States does and"}, {"end": "04:12:35", "start": "04:12:30", "text": "as China does. Pretty fair. Is it"}, {"end": "04:12:38", "start": "04:12:34", "text": "perfect? No. And are there problems? Of"}, {"end": "04:12:40", "start": "04:12:35", "text": "course. And is it as rosy as I've"}, {"end": "04:12:42", "start": "04:12:38", "text": "pointed out? No. But it it at least"}, {"end": "04:12:44", "start": "04:12:40", "text": "gives you a sense of global coordination"}, {"end": "04:12:46", "start": "04:12:42", "text": "and cooperation at scale. And it's"}, {"end": "04:12:48", "start": "04:12:44", "text": "something that enabled you to do what"}, {"end": "04:12:50", "start": "04:12:46", "text": "you do, what me to do, what I do. If the"}, {"end": "04:12:52", "start": "04:12:48", "text": "internet worked differently, these types"}, {"end": "04:12:54", "start": "04:12:50", "text": "of business models probably wouldn't"}, {"end": "04:12:56", "start": "04:12:52", "text": "have been possible. I don't think"}, {"end": "04:12:57", "start": "04:12:54", "text": "cryptocurrencies would have been so"}, {"end": "04:12:59", "start": "04:12:56", "text": "loved if we had to go and ask for"}, {"end": "04:13:01", "start": "04:12:57", "text": "permission to launch a cryptocurrency or"}, {"end": "04:13:03", "start": "04:12:59", "text": "something or podcasting would be so"}, {"end": "04:13:04", "start": "04:13:01", "text": "loved. If there was a media agency you"}, {"end": "04:13:06", "start": "04:13:03", "text": "had to go to and say, \"Hey, I want to do"}, {"end": "04:13:08", "start": "04:13:04", "text": "this podcast.\" Well, is it approved by"}, {"end": "04:13:09", "start": "04:13:06", "text": "the Ministry of Information? Well, no."}, {"end": "04:13:11", "start": "04:13:08", "text": "Do you have a broadcasting license?"}, {"end": "04:13:13", "start": "04:13:09", "text": "Well, no. I don't. Well, sorry. You just"}, {"end": "04:13:15", "start": "04:13:11", "text": "can't do your podcast, right? But"}, {"end": "04:13:16", "start": "04:13:13", "text": "instead, it's an open platform. So, we"}, {"end": "04:13:18", "start": "04:13:15", "text": "were just able to do whatever the [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "04:13:20", "start": "04:13:16", "text": "we wanted to do. We just launched these"}, {"end": "04:13:22", "start": "04:13:18", "text": "things and it's there. And yet, there"}, {"end": "04:13:25", "start": "04:13:20", "text": "are still rules in that open platform"}, {"end": "04:13:28", "start": "04:13:22", "text": "and there's still consequences if you do"}, {"end": "04:13:29", "start": "04:13:25", "text": "bad things on that open platform. So, I"}, {"end": "04:13:30", "start": "04:13:28", "text": "think there's some middle ground there"}, {"end": "04:13:32", "start": "04:13:29", "text": "when you look at these regulatory"}, {"end": "04:13:33", "start": "04:13:30", "text": "structures. But the first step is to"}, {"end": "04:13:36", "start": "04:13:32", "text": "have a fact-based conversation and say,"}, {"end": "04:13:40", "start": "04:13:33", "text": "well, what could go wrong? And you"}, {"end": "04:13:43", "start": "04:13:36", "text": "regulate systems based upon the"}, {"end": "04:13:45", "start": "04:13:40", "text": "extreme consequences and likely"}, {"end": "04:13:48", "start": "04:13:43", "text": "consequences. So the the matrix of like"}, {"end": "04:13:50", "start": "04:13:45", "text": "high probability you know low impact low"}, {"end": "04:13:52", "start": "04:13:48", "text": "probability high impact that that that"}, {"end": "04:13:54", "start": "04:13:50", "text": "matrix that you put together. So in case"}, {"end": "04:13:56", "start": "04:13:52", "text": "of nuclear weapons we said god these"}, {"end": "04:13:58", "start": "04:13:54", "text": "things are so bad. So they created the"}, {"end": "04:14:00", "start": "04:13:56", "text": "IA and they created a huge regulatory"}, {"end": "04:14:03", "start": "04:13:58", "text": "regime for the entire world. And we"}, {"end": "04:14:06", "start": "04:14:00", "text": "spent the last 70 plus years enforcing"}, {"end": "04:14:07", "start": "04:14:03", "text": "that regime viciously to the extent that"}, {"end": "04:14:09", "start": "04:14:06", "text": "we're willing to go to war with"}, {"end": "04:14:12", "start": "04:14:07", "text": "countries in some cases to prevent them"}, {"end": "04:14:15", "start": "04:14:09", "text": "from getting them. And uh because you"}, {"end": "04:14:18", "start": "04:14:12", "text": "know one rogue actor using these weapons"}, {"end": "04:14:20", "start": "04:14:15", "text": "can literally kill millions of people."}, {"end": "04:14:24", "start": "04:14:18", "text": "That was probably a success as [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "04:14:26", "start": "04:14:20", "text": "shitty as it is. Somehow though, we've"}, {"end": "04:14:27", "start": "04:14:24", "text": "lost the plot in modern era. And what"}, {"end": "04:14:30", "start": "04:14:26", "text": "we've missed with gain of function"}, {"end": "04:14:31", "start": "04:14:27", "text": "research in particular is that a small"}, {"end": "04:14:34", "start": "04:14:30", "text": "group of people can actually kill more"}, {"end": "04:14:36", "start": "04:14:31", "text": "people than nuclear weapons. And there's"}, {"end": "04:14:38", "start": "04:14:34", "text": "almost no global regulatory regime at"}, {"end": "04:14:41", "start": "04:14:36", "text": "the moment or discussion about it. The"}, {"end": "04:14:43", "start": "04:14:38", "text": "real tragedy of Wuhan wasn't a virus"}, {"end": "04:14:44", "start": "04:14:41", "text": "leaking from a lab if it did. The real"}, {"end": "04:14:46", "start": "04:14:43", "text": "tragedy of Wuhan was it didn't start an"}, {"end": "04:14:48", "start": "04:14:44", "text": "international conversation of well,"}, {"end": "04:14:51", "start": "04:14:46", "text": "let's play the hypothetical. Let's say"}, {"end": "04:14:53", "start": "04:14:48", "text": "it was engineered in a lab. All these"}, {"end": "04:14:56", "start": "04:14:51", "text": "people died. The whole world shut down."}, {"end": "04:14:59", "start": "04:14:53", "text": "How many people work for Dr. Shei? 10,"}, {"end": "04:15:01", "start": "04:14:56", "text": "15, 20. Can you imagine 20 people"}, {"end": "04:15:04", "start": "04:14:59", "text": "shutting down the Wendy's across the"}, {"end": "04:15:05", "start": "04:15:01", "text": "street from your [\u00a0__\u00a0] apartment? 20"}, {"end": "04:15:07", "start": "04:15:04", "text": "people living in China. That's the"}, {"end": "04:15:09", "start": "04:15:05", "text": "butterfly effect, man. Butterfly flaps"}, {"end": "04:15:12", "start": "04:15:07", "text": "that swings here causes a tsunami in"}, {"end": "04:15:14", "start": "04:15:09", "text": "Japan. It's It's just an extraordinary"}, {"end": "04:15:16", "start": "04:15:12", "text": "thought. So, everybody should be like,"}, {"end": "04:15:18", "start": "04:15:14", "text": "\"Yeah, that should never happen again."}, {"end": "04:15:19", "start": "04:15:16", "text": "we really need to talk about this cuz"}, {"end": "04:15:22", "start": "04:15:18", "text": "like"}, {"end": "04:15:24", "start": "04:15:19", "text": "somebody's going to do that somewhere"}, {"end": "04:15:26", "start": "04:15:22", "text": "and there's a lot of crazy people out"}, {"end": "04:15:28", "start": "04:15:24", "text": "there that are deranged and they might"}, {"end": "04:15:30", "start": "04:15:26", "text": "like be really angry and just decide"}, {"end": "04:15:32", "start": "04:15:28", "text": "that they need to separate the wheat"}, {"end": "04:15:33", "start": "04:15:30", "text": "from the chaft and like eradicate all of"}, {"end": "04:15:35", "start": "04:15:32", "text": "humanity and they're the chosen"}, {"end": "04:15:36", "start": "04:15:33", "text": "survivors and things like that. It"}, {"end": "04:15:40", "start": "04:15:35", "text": "doesn't take a lot to get that Jim"}, {"end": "04:15:41", "start": "04:15:36", "text": "Jonesiness inside, right? So maybe we"}, {"end": "04:15:42", "start": "04:15:40", "text": "should talk about an international"}, {"end": "04:15:44", "start": "04:15:41", "text": "regulatory regime. No, it was it didn't"}, {"end": "04:15:45", "start": "04:15:42", "text": "happen. Completely forget about it. Uh"}, {"end": "04:15:47", "start": "04:15:44", "text": "don't look over here. Oh, and by the"}, {"end": "04:15:49", "start": "04:15:45", "text": "way, we're actually doing it in Boston"}, {"end": "04:15:50", "start": "04:15:47", "text": "University and all these other places."}, {"end": "04:15:52", "start": "04:15:49", "text": "We have these labs that we built and you"}, {"end": "04:15:54", "start": "04:15:50", "text": "know, they're playing around with it and"}, {"end": "04:15:55", "start": "04:15:52", "text": "you'll see like a press relief. Oh,"}, {"end": "04:15:57", "start": "04:15:54", "text": "yeah. We designed a new aven flu that's"}, {"end": "04:15:59", "start": "04:15:55", "text": "human transmissible and 50% fatal or"}, {"end": "04:16:01", "start": "04:15:57", "text": "something like that. So, when I talk"}, {"end": "04:16:04", "start": "04:15:59", "text": "about a regulatory structure, I'm like,"}, {"end": "04:16:05", "start": "04:16:01", "text": "well, let's start there as a fact-based"}, {"end": "04:16:08", "start": "04:16:04", "text": "conversation and say, what are the"}, {"end": "04:16:11", "start": "04:16:05", "text": "consequences? and analogously in his the"}, {"end": "04:16:13", "start": "04:16:08", "text": "lens of history when and where did we"}, {"end": "04:16:15", "start": "04:16:11", "text": "regulate these things and how did we"}, {"end": "04:16:18", "start": "04:16:13", "text": "regulate these things as a global"}, {"end": "04:16:20", "start": "04:16:15", "text": "commons and what's really cool is these"}, {"end": "04:16:21", "start": "04:16:18", "text": "are the very few places where we"}, {"end": "04:16:24", "start": "04:16:20", "text": "actually can have a meaningful"}, {"end": "04:16:26", "start": "04:16:21", "text": "conversation with China and Russia and"}, {"end": "04:16:27", "start": "04:16:24", "text": "all these other countries is you"}, {"end": "04:16:29", "start": "04:16:26", "text": "separate the languages and the"}, {"end": "04:16:31", "start": "04:16:27", "text": "geopolitics and all these other things"}, {"end": "04:16:34", "start": "04:16:29", "text": "I'm pretty sure that a person living in"}, {"end": "04:16:37", "start": "04:16:31", "text": "China is just as scared dying from a"}, {"end": "04:16:39", "start": "04:16:34", "text": "nuclear weapon or a synthetic biology"}, {"end": "04:16:42", "start": "04:16:37", "text": "virus as an American would be or a"}, {"end": "04:16:44", "start": "04:16:39", "text": "Russian would be. You know, they may"}, {"end": "04:16:45", "start": "04:16:42", "text": "want that to happen to us but not happen"}, {"end": "04:16:48", "start": "04:16:44", "text": "to them. But what we learned with"}, {"end": "04:16:52", "start": "04:16:45", "text": "nuclear weapons is there's no if or"}, {"end": "04:16:53", "start": "04:16:48", "text": "other. It was all everybody suffers. The"}, {"end": "04:16:55", "start": "04:16:52", "text": "whole concept of mutually assured"}, {"end": "04:16:57", "start": "04:16:53", "text": "destruction. So in all these mad"}, {"end": "04:17:00", "start": "04:16:55", "text": "category things, there's there's a path"}, {"end": "04:17:02", "start": "04:16:57", "text": "to basically uh to get get cooperation."}, {"end": "04:17:04", "start": "04:17:00", "text": "And what's nice is then you at least"}, {"end": "04:17:05", "start": "04:17:02", "text": "have dialogue. And once you're talking"}, {"end": "04:17:07", "start": "04:17:04", "text": "with people, then you can build rapport."}, {"end": "04:17:09", "start": "04:17:05", "text": "And once you build rapport, maybe, just"}, {"end": "04:17:10", "start": "04:17:07", "text": "maybe, you can actually start agreeing"}, {"end": "04:17:12", "start": "04:17:09", "text": "on more things than just the things that"}, {"end": "04:17:16", "start": "04:17:10", "text": "kill everybody. And you start getting to"}, {"end": "04:17:16", "start": "04:17:12", "text": "a world that's more peaceful."}, {"end": "04:17:28", "start": "04:17:20", "text": "Let's move into the bullet ants. Ah,"}, {"end": "04:17:30", "start": "04:17:25", "text": "what was that?"}, {"end": "04:17:32", "start": "04:17:28", "text": "Well, you know, everybody's got rights"}, {"end": "04:17:34", "start": "04:17:30", "text": "of passage. And the problem with America"}, {"end": "04:17:37", "start": "04:17:32", "text": "in the non-military traditions is we let"}, {"end": "04:17:38", "start": "04:17:34", "text": "them go. Um, you know, so you were a"}, {"end": "04:17:40", "start": "04:17:37", "text": "Navy Seal, so you have buds. It's a"}, {"end": "04:17:41", "start": "04:17:38", "text": "right of passage. You go through"}, {"end": "04:17:43", "start": "04:17:40", "text": "something. It's it's [\u00a0__\u00a0] It's"}, {"end": "04:17:45", "start": "04:17:41", "text": "horrible. And you know, every it's"}, {"end": "04:17:48", "start": "04:17:43", "text": "really scary, but right of passage has"}, {"end": "04:17:49", "start": "04:17:45", "text": "three properties. First, when you hear"}, {"end": "04:17:51", "start": "04:17:48", "text": "about it, you're like, nobody wants to"}, {"end": "04:17:53", "start": "04:17:49", "text": "do it. It sounds like the worst thing in"}, {"end": "04:17:55", "start": "04:17:51", "text": "the world. Um, two, it's really"}, {"end": "04:17:57", "start": "04:17:53", "text": "survivable. You if right of passage has"}, {"end": "04:17:59", "start": "04:17:55", "text": "a high probability of killing you, it's"}, {"end": "04:18:00", "start": "04:17:57", "text": "not a really good right of passage. the"}, {"end": "04:18:02", "start": "04:17:59", "text": "vast majority of people, whether they"}, {"end": "04:18:04", "start": "04:18:00", "text": "fail or succeed, they should be able to"}, {"end": "04:18:08", "start": "04:18:02", "text": "come out the other side unscathed. Um,"}, {"end": "04:18:10", "start": "04:18:04", "text": "and then three, it's a unifying thing."}, {"end": "04:18:11", "start": "04:18:08", "text": "So, everybody who goes through it, they"}, {"end": "04:18:14", "start": "04:18:10", "text": "have a bond now. They're connected to"}, {"end": "04:18:16", "start": "04:18:11", "text": "that thing. That's like no matter if"}, {"end": "04:18:18", "start": "04:18:14", "text": "you're from a different country and"}, {"end": "04:18:19", "start": "04:18:16", "text": "speak a different language, you both go"}, {"end": "04:18:21", "start": "04:18:18", "text": "through that thing. You just you're"}, {"end": "04:18:24", "start": "04:18:19", "text": "like, he's my brother now. We're we're"}, {"end": "04:18:27", "start": "04:18:21", "text": "together in this thing. So, I'm always"}, {"end": "04:18:28", "start": "04:18:24", "text": "fascinating where and when you find"}, {"end": "04:18:31", "start": "04:18:27", "text": "these things. And the bullet ant ritual"}, {"end": "04:18:33", "start": "04:18:28", "text": "was like the perfect right of passage."}, {"end": "04:18:34", "start": "04:18:31", "text": "First off, you have these ants and"}, {"end": "04:18:36", "start": "04:18:33", "text": "they're not small, they're like this"}, {"end": "04:18:38", "start": "04:18:34", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] big. I think you saw the video"}, {"end": "04:18:39", "start": "04:18:36", "text": "and they're like they're huge and"}, {"end": "04:18:40", "start": "04:18:38", "text": "they're terrifying when you look at"}, {"end": "04:18:42", "start": "04:18:39", "text": "them. You're like, \"Holy God, their"}, {"end": "04:18:44", "start": "04:18:40", "text": "stingers are huge, too.\" And they have a"}, {"end": "04:18:46", "start": "04:18:42", "text": "neural toxin. And so I, you know, I own"}, {"end": "04:18:48", "start": "04:18:44", "text": "a clinic and so I I talked to my"}, {"end": "04:18:50", "start": "04:18:46", "text": "allergist and I I even hired a"}, {"end": "04:18:51", "start": "04:18:48", "text": "microcologist, like a an enthmologist"}, {"end": "04:18:53", "start": "04:18:50", "text": "that studies ants. And I said, \"Like,"}, {"end": "04:18:56", "start": "04:18:51", "text": "like, tell me about this neural toxin.\""}, {"end": "04:18:59", "start": "04:18:53", "text": "And they're like, \"Well, it's really"}, {"end": "04:19:01", "start": "04:18:56", "text": "painful.\" I was like, like, like, \"No,"}, {"end": "04:19:03", "start": "04:18:59", "text": "really?\" Like, \"No, it feels like you're"}, {"end": "04:19:04", "start": "04:19:01", "text": "on fire. It's [\u00a0__\u00a0] terrible.\" And I"}, {"end": "04:19:07", "start": "04:19:03", "text": "said, \"Okay, well, will it kill me?\" And"}, {"end": "04:19:08", "start": "04:19:04", "text": "they say, \"No, it's actually weird. It's"}, {"end": "04:19:11", "start": "04:19:07", "text": "designed not to kill you. It just makes"}, {"end": "04:19:13", "start": "04:19:08", "text": "it hurt like hell and it incapacitates"}, {"end": "04:19:15", "start": "04:19:11", "text": "you for a bit, but then the next day"}, {"end": "04:19:18", "start": "04:19:13", "text": "it's like nothing happened.\""}, {"end": "04:19:22", "start": "04:19:15", "text": "That's interesting. So, it's terrifying"}, {"end": "04:19:24", "start": "04:19:18", "text": "and the pain is indescribably bad. And"}, {"end": "04:19:26", "start": "04:19:22", "text": "the entire ritual when we went and found"}, {"end": "04:19:28", "start": "04:19:24", "text": "the Satary Mawe tribe, first we had to"}, {"end": "04:19:30", "start": "04:19:26", "text": "send an advance out there and we sent"}, {"end": "04:19:31", "start": "04:19:28", "text": "these two guys down there. Well, one guy"}, {"end": "04:19:34", "start": "04:19:30", "text": "was a J-sock guy and the other guy was"}, {"end": "04:19:36", "start": "04:19:31", "text": "75th guy. And of course, the 75th guy,"}, {"end": "04:19:39", "start": "04:19:34", "text": "he he hit on the chieftain's daughter"}, {"end": "04:19:42", "start": "04:19:36", "text": "and nearly created a hole probably like,"}, {"end": "04:19:44", "start": "04:19:39", "text": "\"Let's go Ricky Ranger.\" Um, but uh but"}, {"end": "04:19:46", "start": "04:19:42", "text": "anyway, that was great. But anyway, they"}, {"end": "04:19:47", "start": "04:19:44", "text": "build rapport with the tribe and the"}, {"end": "04:19:49", "start": "04:19:46", "text": "tribe's like, \"Okay, we kind of like you"}, {"end": "04:19:50", "start": "04:19:47", "text": "guys. All right. Yeah. All right, you"}, {"end": "04:19:52", "start": "04:19:49", "text": "can do the ritual.\" So they said, \"Come"}, {"end": "04:19:54", "start": "04:19:50", "text": "by and you know this time and you know"}, {"end": "04:19:55", "start": "04:19:52", "text": "we'll set it all up and we'll we'll have"}, {"end": "04:19:57", "start": "04:19:54", "text": "you actually go through it.\" So then we"}, {"end": "04:19:58", "start": "04:19:55", "text": "had to figure out like how to get to"}, {"end": "04:20:00", "start": "04:19:57", "text": "them. So we had to sail up the Amazon"}, {"end": "04:20:01", "start": "04:19:58", "text": "River. We rented a boat and then we went"}, {"end": "04:20:03", "start": "04:20:00", "text": "to the tribe and they were incredibly"}, {"end": "04:20:05", "start": "04:20:01", "text": "hospitable, but you could tell that it"}, {"end": "04:20:07", "start": "04:20:03", "text": "was a psychological game as much as it"}, {"end": "04:20:09", "start": "04:20:05", "text": "was a physical game. So everything they"}, {"end": "04:20:11", "start": "04:20:07", "text": "did was just to [\u00a0__\u00a0] with you and just"}, {"end": "04:20:13", "start": "04:20:09", "text": "make you not want to do it. They're"}, {"end": "04:20:15", "start": "04:20:11", "text": "like, \"All right, let's let's go collect"}, {"end": "04:20:16", "start": "04:20:13", "text": "the ants.\" And and so you first you go"}, {"end": "04:20:18", "start": "04:20:15", "text": "and collect the ants. You see all these"}, {"end": "04:20:19", "start": "04:20:16", "text": "ants are climbing. And actually the way"}, {"end": "04:20:21", "start": "04:20:18", "text": "you collect them, it's not really safe."}, {"end": "04:20:22", "start": "04:20:19", "text": "You know, you're trying to get them into"}, {"end": "04:20:24", "start": "04:20:21", "text": "that damn tube and while you're doing"}, {"end": "04:20:26", "start": "04:20:22", "text": "it, they sting you and things like that."}, {"end": "04:20:28", "start": "04:20:24", "text": "And and you feel the insane pain, but"}, {"end": "04:20:29", "start": "04:20:26", "text": "it's only one sting. Remember, you put"}, {"end": "04:20:30", "start": "04:20:28", "text": "your hands in a glove for like 10"}, {"end": "04:20:32", "start": "04:20:29", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] minutes and they're stinging"}, {"end": "04:20:33", "start": "04:20:30", "text": "you, stinging, stinging you. So you're"}, {"end": "04:20:35", "start": "04:20:32", "text": "thinking, \"God, if it hurts this much,"}, {"end": "04:20:38", "start": "04:20:33", "text": "this one sting, what will 1,000 stings"}, {"end": "04:20:40", "start": "04:20:35", "text": "feel like? This is so bad.\" So then you"}, {"end": "04:20:42", "start": "04:20:38", "text": "do that. Then they're like, \"Okay, well,"}, {"end": "04:20:44", "start": "04:20:40", "text": "we got to like like make the bullet ant"}, {"end": "04:20:46", "start": "04:20:42", "text": "clubs.\" So you have to go find these"}, {"end": "04:20:48", "start": "04:20:44", "text": "weird leaves and then you grind them up"}, {"end": "04:20:50", "start": "04:20:46", "text": "and you put them in water and it acts as"}, {"end": "04:20:52", "start": "04:20:48", "text": "a seditive. So you pour the ant tube and"}, {"end": "04:20:54", "start": "04:20:50", "text": "all the ants go inside the water and the"}, {"end": "04:20:56", "start": "04:20:52", "text": "ants go to sleep and then you grab the"}, {"end": "04:20:59", "start": "04:20:54", "text": "ants and uh and you you one by one put"}, {"end": "04:21:01", "start": "04:20:56", "text": "them into the glove, you know, and"}, {"end": "04:21:03", "start": "04:20:59", "text": "getting them in there, you know, and"}, {"end": "04:21:05", "start": "04:21:01", "text": "it's a whole process. And of course the"}, {"end": "04:21:07", "start": "04:21:03", "text": "ants are not fully sedated. So they wake"}, {"end": "04:21:08", "start": "04:21:05", "text": "up and as you're putting them in the"}, {"end": "04:21:10", "start": "04:21:07", "text": "glove, at least one of them is going to"}, {"end": "04:21:11", "start": "04:21:08", "text": "sting. So you feel that pain, it's like"}, {"end": "04:21:13", "start": "04:21:10", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] So then after you have all the"}, {"end": "04:21:14", "start": "04:21:11", "text": "ants in the gloves, you put them on."}, {"end": "04:21:15", "start": "04:21:13", "text": "They're like, \"Hey, let's go to lunch.\""}, {"end": "04:21:16", "start": "04:21:14", "text": "You're like, \"What the [\u00a0__\u00a0] are you"}, {"end": "04:21:19", "start": "04:21:15", "text": "talking about? I don't I don't want to"}, {"end": "04:21:20", "start": "04:21:16", "text": "eat lunch. Come on, man. I just want to"}, {"end": "04:21:22", "start": "04:21:19", "text": "get this over with.\" They're like, \"No,"}, {"end": "04:21:23", "start": "04:21:20", "text": "no, no. Let's go eat lunch. We got some"}, {"end": "04:21:24", "start": "04:21:22", "text": "fish for you. You guys are going to like"}, {"end": "04:21:27", "start": "04:21:23", "text": "this.\" Like, \"All right, jungle"}, {"end": "04:21:30", "start": "04:21:24", "text": "parasites are great. Let's do it.\" So,"}, {"end": "04:21:31", "start": "04:21:27", "text": "so we go we go and we get uh we eat the"}, {"end": "04:21:33", "start": "04:21:30", "text": "fish and nobody really wants to eat and"}, {"end": "04:21:34", "start": "04:21:31", "text": "we're all looking at each other like,"}, {"end": "04:21:35", "start": "04:21:33", "text": "\"What the hell have we gotten ourselves"}, {"end": "04:21:37", "start": "04:21:34", "text": "into?\" And he's like, \"All right, all"}, {"end": "04:21:39", "start": "04:21:35", "text": "right guys, it's meditation time. you"}, {"end": "04:21:40", "start": "04:21:37", "text": "just go off for an hour, [\u00a0__\u00a0] off, and"}, {"end": "04:21:42", "start": "04:21:39", "text": "just like think about what you've"}, {"end": "04:21:44", "start": "04:21:40", "text": "decided to commit yourself to. So, we're"}, {"end": "04:21:46", "start": "04:21:42", "text": "all just sitting there like, \"What is"}, {"end": "04:21:48", "start": "04:21:44", "text": "going on?\" And we're and our hands hurt"}, {"end": "04:21:50", "start": "04:21:46", "text": "like hell because the ants have already"}, {"end": "04:21:52", "start": "04:21:48", "text": "stung us a few times and things like"}, {"end": "04:21:53", "start": "04:21:50", "text": "that. And we're just like, \"Ah, this is"}, {"end": "04:21:55", "start": "04:21:52", "text": "horrible. I just want to get this over"}, {"end": "04:21:58", "start": "04:21:53", "text": "with.\" And like, well, you can leave it"}, {"end": "04:22:00", "start": "04:21:55", "text": "anytime if you want. Like, no, I came to"}, {"end": "04:22:02", "start": "04:21:58", "text": "the Amazon, godamn it. We're gonna we're"}, {"end": "04:22:04", "start": "04:22:00", "text": "gonna we're gonna do the [\u00a0__\u00a0] hands."}, {"end": "04:22:06", "start": "04:22:02", "text": "So, it's called the Tucandera is the"}, {"end": "04:22:08", "start": "04:22:04", "text": "name of the ritual. Um, so, so anyway,"}, {"end": "04:22:10", "start": "04:22:06", "text": "then finally you get in your underwear,"}, {"end": "04:22:12", "start": "04:22:08", "text": "you know, or your shorts and they paint"}, {"end": "04:22:14", "start": "04:22:10", "text": "you. So you go out there and the shaman"}, {"end": "04:22:16", "start": "04:22:12", "text": "comes over and paint your hands black"}, {"end": "04:22:17", "start": "04:22:14", "text": "cuz your hands get really messed up"}, {"end": "04:22:19", "start": "04:22:16", "text": "after they bite it. So you know, you"}, {"end": "04:22:20", "start": "04:22:17", "text": "don't really want to see how messed up"}, {"end": "04:22:22", "start": "04:22:19", "text": "they are. So you know, they paint it"}, {"end": "04:22:24", "start": "04:22:20", "text": "black. Maybe that solves the problem."}, {"end": "04:22:26", "start": "04:22:22", "text": "And then uh they start dancing uh and"}, {"end": "04:22:28", "start": "04:22:24", "text": "then after they dance, they say, \"All"}, {"end": "04:22:30", "start": "04:22:26", "text": "right, you ready?\" So you go up there"}, {"end": "04:22:32", "start": "04:22:28", "text": "and you"}, {"end": "04:22:35", "start": "04:22:30", "text": "put your arms up and uh then they put"}, {"end": "04:22:38", "start": "04:22:32", "text": "the gloves on. And what it feels like is"}, {"end": "04:22:41", "start": "04:22:35", "text": "a uh sewing machine with a hot needle"}, {"end": "04:22:42", "start": "04:22:38", "text": "just going"}, {"end": "04:22:44", "start": "04:22:41", "text": "and there's ants all in the thing. So"}, {"end": "04:22:46", "start": "04:22:42", "text": "that their heads are out but their butts"}, {"end": "04:22:47", "start": "04:22:44", "text": "are woven in and they just sting you"}, {"end": "04:22:50", "start": "04:22:46", "text": "like this you know it's like a stinging"}, {"end": "04:22:52", "start": "04:22:47", "text": "machine both hands. So two sewing"}, {"end": "04:22:56", "start": "04:22:50", "text": "machines going like multiple needles you"}, {"end": "04:22:57", "start": "04:22:52", "text": "know and you're just like [\u00a0__\u00a0] So I"}, {"end": "04:22:58", "start": "04:22:56", "text": "knew the internet was going to watch"}, {"end": "04:23:00", "start": "04:22:57", "text": "because we recorded it. So I was like I"}, {"end": "04:23:02", "start": "04:22:58", "text": "got to be a stoic [\u00a0__\u00a0] for this"}, {"end": "04:23:03", "start": "04:23:00", "text": "whole thing. So, so I was, if you see"}, {"end": "04:23:05", "start": "04:23:02", "text": "the video, I'm all like, \"Yeah, but that"}, {"end": "04:23:07", "start": "04:23:03", "text": "uh that that ranger guy that went"}, {"end": "04:23:10", "start": "04:23:05", "text": "witness, you could see his face. He's"}, {"end": "04:23:11", "start": "04:23:07", "text": "just like, it was just great.\" But how I"}, {"end": "04:23:14", "start": "04:23:10", "text": "trained for it was that I bought these"}, {"end": "04:23:16", "start": "04:23:11", "text": "shockti boards, these nail boards uh in"}, {"end": "04:23:18", "start": "04:23:14", "text": "in the office. So, they're like wooden"}, {"end": "04:23:20", "start": "04:23:16", "text": "boards and they have nails sticking out"}, {"end": "04:23:22", "start": "04:23:18", "text": "and I would step on the nails for 10"}, {"end": "04:23:24", "start": "04:23:20", "text": "minutes and just stand on these these"}, {"end": "04:23:27", "start": "04:23:22", "text": "nail boards and they have like beginner,"}, {"end": "04:23:29", "start": "04:23:24", "text": "medium, hard, juicy, and so like uh you"}, {"end": "04:23:30", "start": "04:23:27", "text": "know, and it's just how many nails are"}, {"end": "04:23:32", "start": "04:23:29", "text": "there. So the beginner ones have lots of"}, {"end": "04:23:34", "start": "04:23:30", "text": "nails, so there's a lot of surface area"}, {"end": "04:23:36", "start": "04:23:32", "text": "for the nails. So it's it's like a bed"}, {"end": "04:23:37", "start": "04:23:34", "text": "of nails. You can stand on it. But then"}, {"end": "04:23:39", "start": "04:23:36", "text": "as you get to like the more aggressive"}, {"end": "04:23:40", "start": "04:23:37", "text": "ones, there's fewer and fewer nails. So"}, {"end": "04:23:43", "start": "04:23:39", "text": "they get deeper into your feet and it"}, {"end": "04:23:45", "start": "04:23:40", "text": "hurts like hell. So I I took all these"}, {"end": "04:23:47", "start": "04:23:43", "text": "uh autohypnosis courses where you can"}, {"end": "04:23:49", "start": "04:23:45", "text": "use like hypnosis for pain management,"}, {"end": "04:23:51", "start": "04:23:47", "text": "kind of hypnotize yourself not to feel"}, {"end": "04:23:53", "start": "04:23:49", "text": "pain. So I said, \"Okay, I'm going to do"}, {"end": "04:23:55", "start": "04:23:51", "text": "the auto hypnosis. I'll stand on the"}, {"end": "04:23:56", "start": "04:23:53", "text": "nailboards. I'll start in beginner and"}, {"end": "04:23:58", "start": "04:23:55", "text": "I'll keep going till I can deal with"}, {"end": "04:23:59", "start": "04:23:56", "text": "that. Then I'll go to the medium. Then"}, {"end": "04:24:01", "start": "04:23:58", "text": "I'll go to the hard. then I'll go to"}, {"end": "04:24:03", "start": "04:23:59", "text": "this juicy. And I did for a whole year"}, {"end": "04:24:05", "start": "04:24:01", "text": "like every day, you know, at lunchtime,"}, {"end": "04:24:08", "start": "04:24:03", "text": "I go and stand on the nailboards and uh"}, {"end": "04:24:10", "start": "04:24:05", "text": "and do this whole thing and like, man,"}, {"end": "04:24:11", "start": "04:24:08", "text": "this sucks. Man, this sucks. But then I"}, {"end": "04:24:14", "start": "04:24:10", "text": "got better at like dealing with that"}, {"end": "04:24:15", "start": "04:24:11", "text": "immediate pain to a point where like you"}, {"end": "04:24:17", "start": "04:24:14", "text": "can stab me for 10 minutes straight. I"}, {"end": "04:24:19", "start": "04:24:15", "text": "It doesn't [\u00a0__\u00a0] matter anymore. I'm"}, {"end": "04:24:21", "start": "04:24:17", "text": "good. So when I had my hands in the"}, {"end": "04:24:23", "start": "04:24:19", "text": "gloves, I was like, it's not bad. This"}, {"end": "04:24:25", "start": "04:24:21", "text": "is good. This is good. Here's the"}, {"end": "04:24:27", "start": "04:24:23", "text": "problem. It's a neural toxin. It's just"}, {"end": "04:24:29", "start": "04:24:25", "text": "the stupid thing, you know, like uh the"}, {"end": "04:24:32", "start": "04:24:27", "text": "Robert Downey Jr. yelling at me in"}, {"end": "04:24:35", "start": "04:24:29", "text": "Tropic Thunder. Um"}, {"end": "04:24:36", "start": "04:24:32", "text": "it's it's like, okay, the hard part is"}, {"end": "04:24:38", "start": "04:24:35", "text": "not being stung. The hard part is when"}, {"end": "04:24:41", "start": "04:24:36", "text": "the neural toxin kicks in. It's like"}, {"end": "04:24:44", "start": "04:24:38", "text": "rolling fire. It starts coming up your"}, {"end": "04:24:46", "start": "04:24:41", "text": "arm and it takes hours for it to take"}, {"end": "04:24:48", "start": "04:24:44", "text": "fully effect and goes all the way up"}, {"end": "04:24:50", "start": "04:24:46", "text": "your arm, goes into your chest, goes"}, {"end": "04:24:53", "start": "04:24:48", "text": "into your face, the tip of your dick,"}, {"end": "04:24:56", "start": "04:24:50", "text": "your toes, your head, everything,"}, {"end": "04:25:01", "start": "04:24:53", "text": "everything. And it's like a throb. So on"}, {"end": "04:25:04", "start": "04:24:56", "text": "fire, not on fire, on fire, not on fire."}, {"end": "04:25:07", "start": "04:25:01", "text": "So we're all back at the boat with these"}, {"end": "04:25:08", "start": "04:25:04", "text": "guys like Rangers, 18 Deltas, all this"}, {"end": "04:25:10", "start": "04:25:07", "text": "stuff. And I'm just looking at them."}, {"end": "04:25:14", "start": "04:25:08", "text": "They're looking at me. They're like,"}, {"end": "04:25:15", "start": "04:25:10", "text": "\"Boss, you got some [\u00a0__\u00a0] up ideas.\""}, {"end": "04:25:18", "start": "04:25:14", "text": "They were like, \"We getting drunk?\" It's"}, {"end": "04:25:21", "start": "04:25:15", "text": "like, \"We're getting drunk.\" So we just"}, {"end": "04:25:23", "start": "04:25:18", "text": "started drinking and and uh and we were"}, {"end": "04:25:25", "start": "04:25:21", "text": "just we were just in hell. Um the first"}, {"end": "04:25:27", "start": "04:25:23", "text": "6 hours it just cuz the other [\u00a0__\u00a0] up"}, {"end": "04:25:28", "start": "04:25:25", "text": "thing is it doesn't stop. You know"}, {"end": "04:25:30", "start": "04:25:27", "text": "normally like you reach a peak and"}, {"end": "04:25:32", "start": "04:25:28", "text": "you're like okay okay now it's getting"}, {"end": "04:25:34", "start": "04:25:30", "text": "better. First hour oh god this is bad"}, {"end": "04:25:36", "start": "04:25:32", "text": "and the next hour like oh it's even"}, {"end": "04:25:38", "start": "04:25:34", "text": "worse and like the next hour oh god it's"}, {"end": "04:25:39", "start": "04:25:36", "text": "so bad. It just keeps building and"}, {"end": "04:25:42", "start": "04:25:38", "text": "building and building and building and"}, {"end": "04:25:45", "start": "04:25:39", "text": "it took 6 hours for it to reach its"}, {"end": "04:25:47", "start": "04:25:42", "text": "peak. Damn. And we had a PJ with us and"}, {"end": "04:25:50", "start": "04:25:45", "text": "uh and he he was also a PA. Uh, so after"}, {"end": "04:25:52", "start": "04:25:47", "text": "he got out of PJ, he became a PA. And so"}, {"end": "04:25:54", "start": "04:25:50", "text": "he was kind of like our our guy to make"}, {"end": "04:25:55", "start": "04:25:52", "text": "sure we didn't die. And so he'd check"}, {"end": "04:25:57", "start": "04:25:54", "text": "our vitals every hour. And we kept an"}, {"end": "04:26:00", "start": "04:25:55", "text": "index on pain. He's like, \"How you"}, {"end": "04:26:02", "start": "04:25:57", "text": "doing? How you doing?\" Out of six. How"}, {"end": "04:26:03", "start": "04:26:00", "text": "about now? At a seven. What about now?"}, {"end": "04:26:07", "start": "04:26:02", "text": "It's getting there to eight. Like what"}, {"end": "04:26:08", "start": "04:26:03", "text": "about now? It's a nine. And it just got"}, {"end": "04:26:10", "start": "04:26:07", "text": "worse and worse and worse. And"}, {"end": "04:26:11", "start": "04:26:08", "text": "eventually at 6 hours of like, okay, I"}, {"end": "04:26:12", "start": "04:26:10", "text": "think this is as bad as it's going to"}, {"end": "04:26:14", "start": "04:26:11", "text": "get cuz I thought I think I'm going to"}, {"end": "04:26:16", "start": "04:26:12", "text": "die if it gets any worse than this. But"}, {"end": "04:26:19", "start": "04:26:14", "text": "then, you know, it it got better"}, {"end": "04:26:20", "start": "04:26:16", "text": "gradually, like a long tail. It took 24"}, {"end": "04:26:22", "start": "04:26:19", "text": "hours for the whole [\u00a0__\u00a0] thing to"}, {"end": "04:26:25", "start": "04:26:20", "text": "wear off. But here's the craziest part."}, {"end": "04:26:27", "start": "04:26:22", "text": "The next day, woke up, no pain, and I"}, {"end": "04:26:29", "start": "04:26:25", "text": "could move my hands and do the whole"}, {"end": "04:26:31", "start": "04:26:27", "text": "thing. And like the the only thing that"}, {"end": "04:26:32", "start": "04:26:29", "text": "was there for a while was the black ink"}, {"end": "04:26:34", "start": "04:26:31", "text": "that they used. It was about two weeks"}, {"end": "04:26:36", "start": "04:26:32", "text": "on the No kidding. Yeah. Yeah. So, so"}, {"end": "04:26:37", "start": "04:26:34", "text": "that's the perfect right of passage"}, {"end": "04:26:38", "start": "04:26:36", "text": "right there. If you could bottle that"}, {"end": "04:26:41", "start": "04:26:37", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] and do it to every high school"}, {"end": "04:26:43", "start": "04:26:38", "text": "student, you That's great. And uh you do"}, {"end": "04:26:45", "start": "04:26:41", "text": "it again. Oh, yeah. Uh, you know, they"}, {"end": "04:26:47", "start": "04:26:43", "text": "do it 20 times. Are you really? Yeah."}, {"end": "04:26:48", "start": "04:26:45", "text": "Yeah, they do it 20 times. 20 times. 20"}, {"end": "04:26:50", "start": "04:26:47", "text": "times. It's like right of passage. So,"}, {"end": "04:26:52", "start": "04:26:48", "text": "they have to do it again and again and"}, {"end": "04:26:53", "start": "04:26:50", "text": "again and again. But, uh, and actually"}, {"end": "04:26:56", "start": "04:26:52", "text": "when we did the chieftain's son did it"}, {"end": "04:26:57", "start": "04:26:53", "text": "with us and his friend. U, but it's just"}, {"end": "04:26:59", "start": "04:26:56", "text": "a great right of passage. And what was"}, {"end": "04:27:01", "start": "04:26:57", "text": "cool is like it was like this huge sense"}, {"end": "04:27:02", "start": "04:26:59", "text": "of accomplishment cuz like for a whole"}, {"end": "04:27:04", "start": "04:27:01", "text": "year we really thought about it. We"}, {"end": "04:27:05", "start": "04:27:02", "text": "trained for it. And then I looked at all"}, {"end": "04:27:07", "start": "04:27:04", "text": "the guys. I'm like, you know, we're"}, {"end": "04:27:09", "start": "04:27:05", "text": "Terry Mway Warriors now. And it's like,"}, {"end": "04:27:10", "start": "04:27:07", "text": "yeah, we're Terry Mway Warriors now."}, {"end": "04:27:12", "start": "04:27:09", "text": "It's like, yeah, we're part of the tribe"}, {"end": "04:27:14", "start": "04:27:10", "text": "now. Right. And of course, you never"}, {"end": "04:27:16", "start": "04:27:12", "text": "want to do this with soft guys because"}, {"end": "04:27:18", "start": "04:27:14", "text": "immediately we started talking like how"}, {"end": "04:27:20", "start": "04:27:16", "text": "could we make this even more painful and"}, {"end": "04:27:21", "start": "04:27:18", "text": "more dangerous."}, {"end": "04:27:22", "start": "04:27:20", "text": "And we started going through all the"}, {"end": "04:27:25", "start": "04:27:21", "text": "variations. We're like, you know, maybe"}, {"end": "04:27:27", "start": "04:27:22", "text": "if a cold plunge was involved in some"}, {"end": "04:27:29", "start": "04:27:25", "text": "way or a darkness component. So instead"}, {"end": "04:27:31", "start": "04:27:27", "text": "of just like letting them sit around for"}, {"end": "04:27:32", "start": "04:27:29", "text": "an hour, what if we put them in a dark"}, {"end": "04:27:33", "start": "04:27:31", "text": "cave for like 12 hours? I said, you"}, {"end": "04:27:36", "start": "04:27:32", "text": "know, it would be really cool if you put"}, {"end": "04:27:37", "start": "04:27:33", "text": "some snakes in that dark cave. Oh [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "04:27:39", "start": "04:27:36", "text": "You know, cuz you can't see the snakes,"}, {"end": "04:27:40", "start": "04:27:37", "text": "but you can feel them and hear them and"}, {"end": "04:27:41", "start": "04:27:39", "text": "that's really [\u00a0__\u00a0] with you. And"}, {"end": "04:27:44", "start": "04:27:40", "text": "they're like, \"Yeah, it needs a fire"}, {"end": "04:27:47", "start": "04:27:41", "text": "component, too.\" So, we spent the next"}, {"end": "04:27:48", "start": "04:27:44", "text": "like 5 days in the Amazon just uh just"}, {"end": "04:27:50", "start": "04:27:47", "text": "talking about it, you know? I was like,"}, {"end": "04:27:52", "start": "04:27:48", "text": "\"What if we did this?\" Yeah, I think I"}, {"end": "04:27:53", "start": "04:27:50", "text": "think that's a good idea. Let's let's"}, {"end": "04:27:55", "start": "04:27:52", "text": "let's do this. And we're like, \"You"}, {"end": "04:27:57", "start": "04:27:53", "text": "can't modify the screw you, man. We're"}, {"end": "04:27:58", "start": "04:27:55", "text": "North American Satary Me. Those guys are"}, {"end": "04:28:01", "start": "04:27:57", "text": "South Americans. We do things"}, {"end": "04:28:04", "start": "04:27:58", "text": "differently as North American Satary M"}, {"end": "04:28:06", "start": "04:28:01", "text": "guys.\" Damn. Damn. When was that? Oh,"}, {"end": "04:28:09", "start": "04:28:04", "text": "that was just recently. That was um I"}, {"end": "04:28:10", "start": "04:28:06", "text": "think like March or April of this year."}, {"end": "04:28:13", "start": "04:28:09", "text": "realize it was that. Yeah. And it was"}, {"end": "04:28:14", "start": "04:28:10", "text": "crazy because I did the Amazon. I was in"}, {"end": "04:28:16", "start": "04:28:13", "text": "the Amazon for 9 days and I immediately"}, {"end": "04:28:17", "start": "04:28:14", "text": "had to go to a conference afterwards. So"}, {"end": "04:28:18", "start": "04:28:16", "text": "I was at a conference and I'm like, \"Hey"}, {"end": "04:28:20", "start": "04:28:17", "text": "guys, I got to go. I got to go to the"}, {"end": "04:28:22", "start": "04:28:18", "text": "Amazon and do a thing.\" Then I went down"}, {"end": "04:28:23", "start": "04:28:20", "text": "to the Amazon. Then as soon as I was"}, {"end": "04:28:25", "start": "04:28:22", "text": "done, I came back and it was like at"}, {"end": "04:28:26", "start": "04:28:23", "text": "another conference like speaking and I"}, {"end": "04:28:27", "start": "04:28:25", "text": "was like, \"All right, I got to do a"}, {"end": "04:28:29", "start": "04:28:26", "text": "thing.\" I I think I went to Consensus"}, {"end": "04:28:31", "start": "04:28:27", "text": "after that and I was moderating a panel"}, {"end": "04:28:32", "start": "04:28:29", "text": "with Eric Trump. It's like, \"So where"}, {"end": "04:28:34", "start": "04:28:31", "text": "were you at?\" \"Oh, I was just in the"}, {"end": "04:28:36", "start": "04:28:32", "text": "Amazon doing a thing. Don't worry about"}, {"end": "04:28:41", "start": "04:28:34", "text": "it.\""}, {"end": "04:28:44", "start": "04:28:36", "text": "Wow. Yeah. Let's finally let's talk"}, {"end": "04:28:46", "start": "04:28:41", "text": "about the clinic. Yes, sir. How did that"}, {"end": "04:28:49", "start": "04:28:44", "text": "start? Well, you know, as I mentioned, I"}, {"end": "04:28:52", "start": "04:28:46", "text": "uh I have the the medicine tradition in"}, {"end": "04:28:53", "start": "04:28:49", "text": "the family and uh 70 years of medicine."}, {"end": "04:28:55", "start": "04:28:52", "text": "So, I didn't become a doctor, but I"}, {"end": "04:28:59", "start": "04:28:53", "text": "always wanted to do a medical thing. And"}, {"end": "04:29:02", "start": "04:28:55", "text": "uh why I didn't become a doctor was that"}, {"end": "04:29:03", "start": "04:28:59", "text": "I hated that medicine"}, {"end": "04:29:06", "start": "04:29:02", "text": "had two big issues. One, as a"}, {"end": "04:29:08", "start": "04:29:03", "text": "practitioner, it's a person byperson"}, {"end": "04:29:09", "start": "04:29:06", "text": "game and I like systems. I like treating"}, {"end": "04:29:10", "start": "04:29:08", "text": "millions of people or tens of millions"}, {"end": "04:29:13", "start": "04:29:09", "text": "of people at the same time because I"}, {"end": "04:29:14", "start": "04:29:10", "text": "want to maximize impact. The second"}, {"end": "04:29:17", "start": "04:29:13", "text": "thing I hated was that the system had"}, {"end": "04:29:20", "start": "04:29:14", "text": "become stuck in an economic state where"}, {"end": "04:29:23", "start": "04:29:17", "text": "it's basically"}, {"end": "04:29:25", "start": "04:29:20", "text": "treatments and not cures. So you go see"}, {"end": "04:29:26", "start": "04:29:23", "text": "your doctor, hey, I have this thing."}, {"end": "04:29:28", "start": "04:29:25", "text": "Well, here's this pill is going to cure"}, {"end": "04:29:30", "start": "04:29:26", "text": "me, doctor. No, no, no, no. But but it"}, {"end": "04:29:32", "start": "04:29:28", "text": "it'll like manage the decline. It'll get"}, {"end": "04:29:34", "start": "04:29:30", "text": "a little worse every day, but slightly"}, {"end": "04:29:36", "start": "04:29:32", "text": "less worse every day. But I'm coming to"}, {"end": "04:29:38", "start": "04:29:34", "text": "you, doctor. Like, fix me. fix me for"}, {"end": "04:29:39", "start": "04:29:36", "text": "God's sakes and like I'm sorry we don't"}, {"end": "04:29:41", "start": "04:29:38", "text": "do fixes here you know we haven't cured"}, {"end": "04:29:44", "start": "04:29:39", "text": "things in a long time in medicine so"}, {"end": "04:29:46", "start": "04:29:41", "text": "just take that pill and best of luck so"}, {"end": "04:29:49", "start": "04:29:44", "text": "like a great example would be like let's"}, {"end": "04:29:51", "start": "04:29:46", "text": "say you're you're you're like you know"}, {"end": "04:29:52", "start": "04:29:49", "text": "an 11 Bravo or something and and you"}, {"end": "04:29:54", "start": "04:29:51", "text": "serve in Afghanistan have a really heavy"}, {"end": "04:29:55", "start": "04:29:52", "text": "rucks sack [\u00a0__\u00a0] up your back what are"}, {"end": "04:29:57", "start": "04:29:54", "text": "they going to do they're going to tell"}, {"end": "04:30:00", "start": "04:29:55", "text": "you to get back surgery they're going to"}, {"end": "04:30:02", "start": "04:29:57", "text": "tell you to take painkillers or you can"}, {"end": "04:30:04", "start": "04:30:00", "text": "go and do yoga and pilates and fix your"}, {"end": "04:30:06", "start": "04:30:02", "text": "back and a lot of people after they do"}, {"end": "04:30:07", "start": "04:30:04", "text": "it the pain completely goes way. So you"}, {"end": "04:30:09", "start": "04:30:06", "text": "go to a doctor, they tell you to do the"}, {"end": "04:30:10", "start": "04:30:07", "text": "yoga and plotties and the physical"}, {"end": "04:30:12", "start": "04:30:09", "text": "therapy and these other thing. No, they"}, {"end": "04:30:13", "start": "04:30:10", "text": "give you the pills and if that doesn't"}, {"end": "04:30:15", "start": "04:30:12", "text": "work, they give you the surgery and then"}, {"end": "04:30:17", "start": "04:30:13", "text": "that never works for these people. So"}, {"end": "04:30:20", "start": "04:30:15", "text": "that's medicine in a nutshell in 2025."}, {"end": "04:30:22", "start": "04:30:17", "text": "It's really [\u00a0__\u00a0] up. So what you'd"}, {"end": "04:30:26", "start": "04:30:20", "text": "want to do instead is say let's build a"}, {"end": "04:30:28", "start": "04:30:22", "text": "medical institution that is a bastion of"}, {"end": "04:30:30", "start": "04:30:26", "text": "good health care, integrated health"}, {"end": "04:30:33", "start": "04:30:28", "text": "care. So lifestyle medicine with"}, {"end": "04:30:34", "start": "04:30:30", "text": "alipathic traditional medicine. put"}, {"end": "04:30:36", "start": "04:30:33", "text": "those two things together for a"}, {"end": "04:30:39", "start": "04:30:34", "text": "community in this case Gillette Wyoming."}, {"end": "04:30:41", "start": "04:30:36", "text": "So there's 13,000 patients and a"}, {"end": "04:30:43", "start": "04:30:39", "text": "population of 35,000 people and we have"}, {"end": "04:30:45", "start": "04:30:41", "text": "40 providers we have all theies you know"}, {"end": "04:30:47", "start": "04:30:43", "text": "we have internal medicine we have"}, {"end": "04:30:49", "start": "04:30:45", "text": "nefrology and cardiology and neurology"}, {"end": "04:30:51", "start": "04:30:47", "text": "and soon to have pulmonology and"}, {"end": "04:30:53", "start": "04:30:49", "text": "dermatology and etc etc. So we have"}, {"end": "04:30:54", "start": "04:30:51", "text": "really top-notch physicians. But if you"}, {"end": "04:30:56", "start": "04:30:53", "text": "have that and you have a vertically"}, {"end": "04:30:58", "start": "04:30:54", "text": "integrated system, meaning you own the"}, {"end": "04:31:00", "start": "04:30:56", "text": "radiology and you own the lab and you"}, {"end": "04:31:02", "start": "04:30:58", "text": "own all the diagnostic equipment and you"}, {"end": "04:31:04", "start": "04:31:00", "text": "have your own pharmacy with a"}, {"end": "04:31:06", "start": "04:31:02", "text": "compounding pharmacy, you have a perfect"}, {"end": "04:31:09", "start": "04:31:04", "text": "vertical to do medical experiments. So"}, {"end": "04:31:11", "start": "04:31:06", "text": "then you build a biotechnology company"}, {"end": "04:31:12", "start": "04:31:09", "text": "on the other side and you start looking"}, {"end": "04:31:15", "start": "04:31:11", "text": "at a lot of stuff that is regenerative"}, {"end": "04:31:19", "start": "04:31:12", "text": "in nature, not cure, not treatments, but"}, {"end": "04:31:21", "start": "04:31:15", "text": "cures. So, what you do is you say, \"What"}, {"end": "04:31:24", "start": "04:31:19", "text": "can I do to get the body to heal itself?"}, {"end": "04:31:26", "start": "04:31:21", "text": "And what can I do to give you something"}, {"end": "04:31:28", "start": "04:31:24", "text": "that fixes your problem permanently?\""}, {"end": "04:31:30", "start": "04:31:26", "text": "Uh, so I'll give you some examples. Uh,"}, {"end": "04:31:32", "start": "04:31:28", "text": "we're right now getting ready for an FDA"}, {"end": "04:31:35", "start": "04:31:30", "text": "trial because everything we do is"}, {"end": "04:31:37", "start": "04:31:32", "text": "rigorous. So, we do FDA trials and we're"}, {"end": "04:31:39", "start": "04:31:35", "text": "going to take fat from people, atapost"}, {"end": "04:31:41", "start": "04:31:37", "text": "derived messenymal stem cells. So your"}, {"end": "04:31:43", "start": "04:31:39", "text": "stem cells, your adult stem cells that"}, {"end": "04:31:45", "start": "04:31:41", "text": "are in your fat. You have three primary"}, {"end": "04:31:47", "start": "04:31:43", "text": "sources of them as adults, blood, bone,"}, {"end": "04:31:49", "start": "04:31:45", "text": "and fat. You get them from other places,"}, {"end": "04:31:51", "start": "04:31:47", "text": "but those are the big ones to get them"}, {"end": "04:31:54", "start": "04:31:49", "text": "from. And we take your fat with"}, {"end": "04:31:57", "start": "04:31:51", "text": "liposuction. Um, and then we culture"}, {"end": "04:31:59", "start": "04:31:54", "text": "expand it, we grow them, and then we"}, {"end": "04:32:01", "start": "04:31:57", "text": "reinject them. And we're going to run it"}, {"end": "04:32:03", "start": "04:31:59", "text": "for a year, three, four injections. And"}, {"end": "04:32:04", "start": "04:32:01", "text": "we're going to pair it with hyperbarics."}, {"end": "04:32:06", "start": "04:32:03", "text": "Hyperbarics are these pressure chambers."}, {"end": "04:32:09", "start": "04:32:04", "text": "You go inside of them, pure oxygen, high"}, {"end": "04:32:11", "start": "04:32:06", "text": "pressure. Why hyperbarics? Because when"}, {"end": "04:32:13", "start": "04:32:09", "text": "you go into a hyperbaric environment,"}, {"end": "04:32:15", "start": "04:32:11", "text": "for some reason epigenetically over 900"}, {"end": "04:32:17", "start": "04:32:13", "text": "genes are silenced or activated and your"}, {"end": "04:32:19", "start": "04:32:15", "text": "body enters a hyper regenerative state."}, {"end": "04:32:20", "start": "04:32:17", "text": "So it tells your body dump all the stem"}, {"end": "04:32:22", "start": "04:32:19", "text": "cells into your blood and start fixing"}, {"end": "04:32:24", "start": "04:32:20", "text": "[\u00a0__\u00a0] Programs all of them. So Jay Leno"}, {"end": "04:32:26", "start": "04:32:22", "text": "is a big classic car guy. He was working"}, {"end": "04:32:27", "start": "04:32:24", "text": "on his car, exploded in his face and he"}, {"end": "04:32:29", "start": "04:32:26", "text": "turned into two phase. It burned off"}, {"end": "04:32:30", "start": "04:32:27", "text": "half his face. So they treated him. He"}, {"end": "04:32:32", "start": "04:32:29", "text": "went to a hyperbaric chamber and now"}, {"end": "04:32:34", "start": "04:32:30", "text": "he's almost fully healed. So you can see"}, {"end": "04:32:36", "start": "04:32:32", "text": "those before and after pictures of Jay"}, {"end": "04:32:38", "start": "04:32:34", "text": "Leno. So there's amazing regenerative"}, {"end": "04:32:40", "start": "04:32:36", "text": "capabilities with hyperbarics, but the"}, {"end": "04:32:42", "start": "04:32:38", "text": "mechanism of action is stem cells and"}, {"end": "04:32:44", "start": "04:32:40", "text": "programming those stem cells to be"}, {"end": "04:32:47", "start": "04:32:42", "text": "really regenerative for you. So our"}, {"end": "04:32:49", "start": "04:32:44", "text": "hypothesis is if we pair hyperbarics"}, {"end": "04:32:51", "start": "04:32:47", "text": "with exogenous stem cells, it's like"}, {"end": "04:32:53", "start": "04:32:49", "text": "adding gasoline to a fire. It it"}, {"end": "04:32:55", "start": "04:32:51", "text": "dramatically accelerates the healing"}, {"end": "04:32:57", "start": "04:32:53", "text": "effect of these types of things. But"}, {"end": "04:32:59", "start": "04:32:55", "text": "also inadvertently, what we're doing is"}, {"end": "04:33:00", "start": "04:32:57", "text": "we're creating a platform to learn and"}, {"end": "04:33:03", "start": "04:32:59", "text": "think about navigating the stem cell"}, {"end": "04:33:04", "start": "04:33:00", "text": "space. And what's nice is autotogus"}, {"end": "04:33:06", "start": "04:33:03", "text": "adult derived messenymal stem cells."}, {"end": "04:33:08", "start": "04:33:04", "text": "They're yours. There's no chance of"}, {"end": "04:33:09", "start": "04:33:06", "text": "rejection. They're ethically sourced."}, {"end": "04:33:11", "start": "04:33:08", "text": "There's no babies coming out of your"}, {"end": "04:33:13", "start": "04:33:09", "text": "belly. I hope not. You know, it's just"}, {"end": "04:33:15", "start": "04:33:11", "text": "it's just fat. It's like we got a lot of"}, {"end": "04:33:18", "start": "04:33:13", "text": "it. I got a lot of it. We're okay. You"}, {"end": "04:33:20", "start": "04:33:15", "text": "know, we we can sacrifice some of that."}, {"end": "04:33:21", "start": "04:33:18", "text": "And it's infinite. Once you have them,"}, {"end": "04:33:23", "start": "04:33:20", "text": "you can culture expand them for the rest"}, {"end": "04:33:25", "start": "04:33:21", "text": "of the life of the patient. So, you have"}, {"end": "04:33:27", "start": "04:33:23", "text": "a platform to work with the patient. And"}, {"end": "04:33:29", "start": "04:33:25", "text": "then over time you can do all kinds of"}, {"end": "04:33:31", "start": "04:33:27", "text": "things to hit them with a yellow light"}, {"end": "04:33:33", "start": "04:33:29", "text": "to accelerate their metabolism or maybe"}, {"end": "04:33:35", "start": "04:33:31", "text": "use umbilical cord blood exosomes to"}, {"end": "04:33:37", "start": "04:33:33", "text": "help culture expand to make them become"}, {"end": "04:33:39", "start": "04:33:35", "text": "younger and actually more uh vibrant."}, {"end": "04:33:40", "start": "04:33:37", "text": "Mess with the electrome inside the cells"}, {"end": "04:33:42", "start": "04:33:39", "text": "because every cell has an electrical"}, {"end": "04:33:43", "start": "04:33:40", "text": "signature and there's some stuff you can"}, {"end": "04:33:45", "start": "04:33:42", "text": "do to make them differentiate to"}, {"end": "04:33:47", "start": "04:33:43", "text": "different tissue types. Um or"}, {"end": "04:33:49", "start": "04:33:45", "text": "co-administer them with peptides."}, {"end": "04:33:50", "start": "04:33:47", "text": "There's hundreds of things that you can"}, {"end": "04:33:52", "start": "04:33:49", "text": "do these cells. But once you have that"}, {"end": "04:33:54", "start": "04:33:50", "text": "baseline, then you can start growing"}, {"end": "04:33:57", "start": "04:33:52", "text": "from that baseline and you can start"}, {"end": "04:33:58", "start": "04:33:54", "text": "targeting organ systems. For example, we"}, {"end": "04:34:00", "start": "04:33:57", "text": "can look at peripheral neuropathies."}, {"end": "04:34:02", "start": "04:33:58", "text": "Those are things that tend to come up"}, {"end": "04:34:04", "start": "04:34:00", "text": "after cancer. You get cancer, you do"}, {"end": "04:34:06", "start": "04:34:02", "text": "chemotherapy. Maybe the chemo cures you,"}, {"end": "04:34:09", "start": "04:34:04", "text": "but you're jacked up. You know, you got"}, {"end": "04:34:11", "start": "04:34:06", "text": "the tingly toes and fingers and you just"}, {"end": "04:34:13", "start": "04:34:09", "text": "anything that's hot or cold now is just"}, {"end": "04:34:15", "start": "04:34:11", "text": "so unbearably painful. And you go to"}, {"end": "04:34:16", "start": "04:34:13", "text": "your cancer doctor and like oncologist,"}, {"end": "04:34:18", "start": "04:34:15", "text": "what do I do? And I say, you're cancer"}, {"end": "04:34:21", "start": "04:34:16", "text": "free. He's like, yeah, but what about"}, {"end": "04:34:22", "start": "04:34:18", "text": "neuropathy? you're cancer free. Get the"}, {"end": "04:34:24", "start": "04:34:21", "text": "hell out. We don't want to talk to you"}, {"end": "04:34:26", "start": "04:34:22", "text": "anymore. We we solved your primary"}, {"end": "04:34:28", "start": "04:34:24", "text": "complaint. What if I can use stem cells"}, {"end": "04:34:29", "start": "04:34:26", "text": "in hyperbarics to actually regenerate"}, {"end": "04:34:31", "start": "04:34:28", "text": "those nerves and actually fix those"}, {"end": "04:34:33", "start": "04:34:29", "text": "problems? Now you don't have the"}, {"end": "04:34:35", "start": "04:34:31", "text": "neuropathy anymore. Or what about TBIs"}, {"end": "04:34:36", "start": "04:34:33", "text": "which are just a persistent issue? Well,"}, {"end": "04:34:38", "start": "04:34:35", "text": "one of the things we can do with these"}, {"end": "04:34:39", "start": "04:34:36", "text": "stem cells because we have such a"}, {"end": "04:34:42", "start": "04:34:38", "text": "powerful MRI, we have a three Tesla MRI"}, {"end": "04:34:44", "start": "04:34:39", "text": "with AI upscaling is we can use"}, {"end": "04:34:45", "start": "04:34:42", "text": "speagging and that means the super"}, {"end": "04:34:47", "start": "04:34:44", "text": "paramagnetic oxide. So you put these"}, {"end": "04:34:49", "start": "04:34:45", "text": "tiny nano particles of iron inside the"}, {"end": "04:34:51", "start": "04:34:47", "text": "stem cells. Then you inject them and"}, {"end": "04:34:53", "start": "04:34:49", "text": "when you take an MRI they light up like"}, {"end": "04:34:55", "start": "04:34:51", "text": "a Christmas tree. What does that tell"}, {"end": "04:34:58", "start": "04:34:53", "text": "you? It tells you where they go. So if I"}, {"end": "04:34:59", "start": "04:34:55", "text": "inject them here, do they end up here or"}, {"end": "04:35:01", "start": "04:34:58", "text": "they end up here or they end up here?"}, {"end": "04:35:04", "start": "04:34:59", "text": "You know where they go? Are they just in"}, {"end": "04:35:05", "start": "04:35:01", "text": "the lungs? And what if now that I can"}, {"end": "04:35:07", "start": "04:35:04", "text": "find out where they go? I can"}, {"end": "04:35:09", "start": "04:35:05", "text": "co-administer them with certain"}, {"end": "04:35:11", "start": "04:35:07", "text": "chemicals. And maybe by doing that I can"}, {"end": "04:35:13", "start": "04:35:09", "text": "steer the direction of where the stem"}, {"end": "04:35:15", "start": "04:35:11", "text": "cells go. Maybe I can get them to cross"}, {"end": "04:35:16", "start": "04:35:13", "text": "the bloodb brain barrier and get into"}, {"end": "04:35:18", "start": "04:35:15", "text": "your brain because it'll light up like a"}, {"end": "04:35:20", "start": "04:35:16", "text": "Christmas tree there or maybe your liver"}, {"end": "04:35:21", "start": "04:35:18", "text": "because you have cerosis from you know"}, {"end": "04:35:23", "start": "04:35:20", "text": "something or whatever or maybe your"}, {"end": "04:35:24", "start": "04:35:21", "text": "knees who knows. So that's kind of the"}, {"end": "04:35:27", "start": "04:35:23", "text": "next stage of the platform is"}, {"end": "04:35:29", "start": "04:35:24", "text": "programmability. You know can we program"}, {"end": "04:35:31", "start": "04:35:27", "text": "them chemically or electrically to go to"}, {"end": "04:35:33", "start": "04:35:29", "text": "certain areas and then you know we have"}, {"end": "04:35:35", "start": "04:35:31", "text": "the equipment to track them. So yeah"}, {"end": "04:35:37", "start": "04:35:33", "text": "it'll be years of research but we have"}, {"end": "04:35:39", "start": "04:35:35", "text": "the patient population. We have a ton of"}, {"end": "04:35:41", "start": "04:35:37", "text": "people that have cancer. We have a ton"}, {"end": "04:35:42", "start": "04:35:39", "text": "of people that have COPD and their lungs"}, {"end": "04:35:46", "start": "04:35:41", "text": "are jacked up. We have a ton of people"}, {"end": "04:35:48", "start": "04:35:42", "text": "that have TBI. Uh like look at the rodeo"}, {"end": "04:35:50", "start": "04:35:46", "text": "stars. They go bull riding and they fall"}, {"end": "04:35:51", "start": "04:35:48", "text": "off their bull, you know, they get 40"}, {"end": "04:35:53", "start": "04:35:50", "text": "concussions, you know, and they can't"}, {"end": "04:35:54", "start": "04:35:51", "text": "remember their own damn name at 50."}, {"end": "04:35:57", "start": "04:35:53", "text": "There's it's tragic when you see all"}, {"end": "04:35:59", "start": "04:35:54", "text": "these things. There's an unlimited depth"}, {"end": "04:36:02", "start": "04:35:57", "text": "of people that are broken and they want"}, {"end": "04:36:05", "start": "04:35:59", "text": "to be fixed. 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It's"}, {"end": "04:36:19", "start": "04:36:15", "text": "so cool to be able to pursue that and to"}, {"end": "04:36:20", "start": "04:36:17", "text": "be able to do that under FDA"}, {"end": "04:36:23", "start": "04:36:19", "text": "supervision, meaning that it's just not"}, {"end": "04:36:24", "start": "04:36:20", "text": "like mad scientist [\u00a0__\u00a0] It's actually"}, {"end": "04:36:26", "start": "04:36:23", "text": "structured experiments and you go"}, {"end": "04:36:27", "start": "04:36:24", "text": "through phase one, two, and three and"}, {"end": "04:36:29", "start": "04:36:26", "text": "you take people along the entire"}, {"end": "04:36:31", "start": "04:36:27", "text": "journey. That's why we built the clinic,"}, {"end": "04:36:33", "start": "04:36:29", "text": "you know, and um it's uh very"}, {"end": "04:36:34", "start": "04:36:31", "text": "conservative. There's a lot of people in"}, {"end": "04:36:36", "start": "04:36:33", "text": "anti-aging that are doing much more"}, {"end": "04:36:37", "start": "04:36:34", "text": "aggressive things like something like"}, {"end": "04:36:41", "start": "04:36:36", "text": "induced pur potent stem cells using"}, {"end": "04:36:42", "start": "04:36:37", "text": "yamanaka factors or Dave Sinclair at"}, {"end": "04:36:44", "start": "04:36:41", "text": "Harvard who's like literally"}, {"end": "04:36:46", "start": "04:36:42", "text": "reprogramming the epiggenome and he's"}, {"end": "04:36:48", "start": "04:36:44", "text": "taking mice that are twins and making"}, {"end": "04:36:50", "start": "04:36:46", "text": "one old and one young and vice versa and"}, {"end": "04:36:53", "start": "04:36:48", "text": "these things. It's it's crazy stuff, but"}, {"end": "04:36:55", "start": "04:36:50", "text": "that's really difficult stuff, you know."}, {"end": "04:36:57", "start": "04:36:53", "text": "And the thing is it's like you are you"}, {"end": "04:37:00", "start": "04:36:55", "text": "because these cells made you that way."}, {"end": "04:37:02", "start": "04:36:57", "text": "Mhm. So, they're already enough to do a"}, {"end": "04:37:03", "start": "04:37:00", "text": "lot for you. And there's animals in"}, {"end": "04:37:05", "start": "04:37:02", "text": "nature that are actually biologically"}, {"end": "04:37:07", "start": "04:37:03", "text": "immortal. A lot of people don't know"}, {"end": "04:37:09", "start": "04:37:05", "text": "that. Teropsis Dorney is this jellyfish."}, {"end": "04:37:11", "start": "04:37:07", "text": "If you Google immortal jellyfish, you"}, {"end": "04:37:12", "start": "04:37:09", "text": "see this lovely picture of it. And when"}, {"end": "04:37:13", "start": "04:37:11", "text": "it gets old, it says, \"I don't want to"}, {"end": "04:37:15", "start": "04:37:12", "text": "be old anymore.\" So, it forms a cyst and"}, {"end": "04:37:17", "start": "04:37:13", "text": "regenerates itself and it's young again."}, {"end": "04:37:19", "start": "04:37:15", "text": "No [\u00a0__\u00a0] Yeah. There's [\u00a0__\u00a0] in nature."}, {"end": "04:37:21", "start": "04:37:17", "text": "There's even this crazy guy named Shin"}, {"end": "04:37:22", "start": "04:37:19", "text": "Kabota who's over in Kyoto, Kyoto"}, {"end": "04:37:24", "start": "04:37:21", "text": "University, and they call him the"}, {"end": "04:37:25", "start": "04:37:22", "text": "jellyfish man. And he's spent his whole"}, {"end": "04:37:27", "start": "04:37:24", "text": "career, he's even gotten divorced over"}, {"end": "04:37:29", "start": "04:37:25", "text": "it, like studying jellyfish and dressing"}, {"end": "04:37:31", "start": "04:37:27", "text": "up as jellyfish because he's obsessed"}, {"end": "04:37:33", "start": "04:37:29", "text": "with this immortal jellyfish and he"}, {"end": "04:37:34", "start": "04:37:31", "text": "wants to understand like why is it"}, {"end": "04:37:36", "start": "04:37:33", "text": "immortal? What is it doing to be"}, {"end": "04:37:39", "start": "04:37:34", "text": "immortal? And he's chasing that"}, {"end": "04:37:41", "start": "04:37:36", "text": "immortality call. So to me, it's um it's"}, {"end": "04:37:42", "start": "04:37:39", "text": "so cool that these things exist. And if"}, {"end": "04:37:45", "start": "04:37:41", "text": "there's something in nature that already"}, {"end": "04:37:46", "start": "04:37:42", "text": "does it, well then human beings can"}, {"end": "04:37:48", "start": "04:37:45", "text": "discover this. And there's plenty of"}, {"end": "04:37:50", "start": "04:37:46", "text": "super regenerative animals like X"}, {"end": "04:37:52", "start": "04:37:48", "text": "waddles, for example. They run around."}, {"end": "04:37:54", "start": "04:37:50", "text": "You chop off their arm, they grow"}, {"end": "04:37:55", "start": "04:37:52", "text": "another arm. Lizards chop off their"}, {"end": "04:37:57", "start": "04:37:54", "text": "tail, they grow another tail. You know,"}, {"end": "04:37:58", "start": "04:37:55", "text": "they they're in nature. It's not a"}, {"end": "04:38:00", "start": "04:37:57", "text": "hypothetical. It's here. It's there."}, {"end": "04:38:03", "start": "04:37:58", "text": "Genetically, they're not too different"}, {"end": "04:38:05", "start": "04:38:00", "text": "from us. So, get a stem cell, figure out"}, {"end": "04:38:07", "start": "04:38:03", "text": "how to program that, how to work with"}, {"end": "04:38:09", "start": "04:38:05", "text": "that as a platform, and then bring the"}, {"end": "04:38:11", "start": "04:38:07", "text": "AI in, and then bring the science in,"}, {"end": "04:38:13", "start": "04:38:09", "text": "and then year by year by year, you gain"}, {"end": "04:38:15", "start": "04:38:11", "text": "a better and more mechanistic"}, {"end": "04:38:18", "start": "04:38:13", "text": "understanding. And then what you can do"}, {"end": "04:38:20", "start": "04:38:15", "text": "is a whole class of diseases can be"}, {"end": "04:38:23", "start": "04:38:18", "text": "corrected because you can now regenerate"}, {"end": "04:38:25", "start": "04:38:20", "text": "things. That's stage one. Then stage two"}, {"end": "04:38:27", "start": "04:38:23", "text": "is to get really good at the electrome"}, {"end": "04:38:29", "start": "04:38:25", "text": "and get really good at the stem cells."}, {"end": "04:38:30", "start": "04:38:27", "text": "And then you can do tissue engineering"}, {"end": "04:38:32", "start": "04:38:29", "text": "and you can actually start growing"}, {"end": "04:38:35", "start": "04:38:30", "text": "organs and other things like that. So"}, {"end": "04:38:37", "start": "04:38:32", "text": "you can have a bioreactor and you can"}, {"end": "04:38:39", "start": "04:38:35", "text": "grow skin or a bioreactor and you can"}, {"end": "04:38:42", "start": "04:38:37", "text": "grow a gallbladder or grow a heart or"}, {"end": "04:38:43", "start": "04:38:39", "text": "grow a kidney or liver or something like"}, {"end": "04:38:45", "start": "04:38:42", "text": "that. You can just grow these things and"}, {"end": "04:38:46", "start": "04:38:43", "text": "you can transplant them in. So when you"}, {"end": "04:38:47", "start": "04:38:45", "text": "have a bad heart, you don't have to be"}, {"end": "04:38:49", "start": "04:38:46", "text": "on an organ replacement list and you"}, {"end": "04:38:51", "start": "04:38:47", "text": "know hope to God that you have a"}, {"end": "04:38:52", "start": "04:38:49", "text": "compatible donor. You just grow a new"}, {"end": "04:38:54", "start": "04:38:51", "text": "one and put it in the person. How long"}, {"end": "04:38:56", "start": "04:38:52", "text": "would it take to grow a new one? Well,"}, {"end": "04:38:59", "start": "04:38:54", "text": "that that's the hard part because the"}, {"end": "04:39:01", "start": "04:38:56", "text": "issue is DNA contains the information of"}, {"end": "04:39:04", "start": "04:38:59", "text": "what you are, but it doesn't have"}, {"end": "04:39:06", "start": "04:39:01", "text": "spatial information of like how to make"}, {"end": "04:39:08", "start": "04:39:04", "text": "it like your leg goes here and your hand"}, {"end": "04:39:10", "start": "04:39:06", "text": "goes here. These types of things. So"}, {"end": "04:39:12", "start": "04:39:08", "text": "there are different processes and so you"}, {"end": "04:39:14", "start": "04:39:10", "text": "can't just take stem cells and make them"}, {"end": "04:39:16", "start": "04:39:12", "text": "differentiate into an organoid and say"}, {"end": "04:39:17", "start": "04:39:14", "text": "okay well this is a heart cell or this"}, {"end": "04:39:18", "start": "04:39:16", "text": "is the brain. You can do that but it"}, {"end": "04:39:20", "start": "04:39:17", "text": "doesn't turn into a brain. It doesn't"}, {"end": "04:39:23", "start": "04:39:18", "text": "turn into a heart. So it's an open"}, {"end": "04:39:25", "start": "04:39:20", "text": "question right now in organ growth of h"}, {"end": "04:39:28", "start": "04:39:23", "text": "how do you grow an organ to replicate an"}, {"end": "04:39:31", "start": "04:39:25", "text": "adult organ with the same size and uh"}, {"end": "04:39:32", "start": "04:39:28", "text": "and shape and function of that. But it"}, {"end": "04:39:33", "start": "04:39:31", "text": "doesn't take a heck of a lot of time if"}, {"end": "04:39:36", "start": "04:39:32", "text": "you're doing the right growth factors."}, {"end": "04:39:37", "start": "04:39:33", "text": "it's a matter of of weeks to months to"}, {"end": "04:39:40", "start": "04:39:36", "text": "grow something like this in a"}, {"end": "04:39:41", "start": "04:39:37", "text": "bioreactor. Um and uh that's one"}, {"end": "04:39:43", "start": "04:39:40", "text": "approach. The other approach are called"}, {"end": "04:39:44", "start": "04:39:41", "text": "xenographs where they take pigs and they"}, {"end": "04:39:46", "start": "04:39:43", "text": "genetically engineer them because"}, {"end": "04:39:47", "start": "04:39:44", "text": "they're very close to humans. In fact,"}, {"end": "04:39:50", "start": "04:39:46", "text": "we used to use pigs for insulin before"}, {"end": "04:39:53", "start": "04:39:47", "text": "we uh we genetically engineered ecoli to"}, {"end": "04:39:54", "start": "04:39:50", "text": "do that and they actually like make pig"}, {"end": "04:39:56", "start": "04:39:53", "text": "have your kidneys or pig have your heart"}, {"end": "04:39:57", "start": "04:39:54", "text": "or something and they can take the"}, {"end": "04:39:58", "start": "04:39:56", "text": "kidneys out of the pig and put it into a"}, {"end": "04:40:01", "start": "04:39:57", "text": "human because they've been genetically"}, {"end": "04:40:03", "start": "04:39:58", "text": "engineered to be nonrejected by humans."}, {"end": "04:40:04", "start": "04:40:01", "text": "It's called a xenotransplant. So, you"}, {"end": "04:40:06", "start": "04:40:03", "text": "know, these things exist, but I like the"}, {"end": "04:40:07", "start": "04:40:04", "text": "bioreactor more because I don't think we"}, {"end": "04:40:11", "start": "04:40:06", "text": "should have kidney pigs. I mean, I like"}, {"end": "04:40:12", "start": "04:40:07", "text": "pigs. They're nice. Um, but uh but"}, {"end": "04:40:14", "start": "04:40:11", "text": "anyway, so that's like stage two is"}, {"end": "04:40:15", "start": "04:40:12", "text": "like, can you grow tissue? And then once"}, {"end": "04:40:17", "start": "04:40:14", "text": "you have that, then I can fix your"}, {"end": "04:40:19", "start": "04:40:15", "text": "broken parts or regrow limbs or, you"}, {"end": "04:40:22", "start": "04:40:17", "text": "know, other things like that. And then"}, {"end": "04:40:25", "start": "04:40:19", "text": "stage three is the gene engine gene"}, {"end": "04:40:28", "start": "04:40:22", "text": "engineering. And there the the lowest uh"}, {"end": "04:40:29", "start": "04:40:25", "text": "floor is called a plasmid. And there's a"}, {"end": "04:40:31", "start": "04:40:28", "text": "company called Mini Circle down in"}, {"end": "04:40:33", "start": "04:40:29", "text": "Roaton that does this a lot. And you"}, {"end": "04:40:34", "start": "04:40:31", "text": "could actually use plasmids to make"}, {"end": "04:40:36", "start": "04:40:33", "text": "pretty much anything. They're like"}, {"end": "04:40:39", "start": "04:40:34", "text": "little molecular factories. So I suffer"}, {"end": "04:40:41", "start": "04:40:36", "text": "from gout and 344 million people do."}, {"end": "04:40:43", "start": "04:40:39", "text": "It's a genetic disorder and uh it means"}, {"end": "04:40:45", "start": "04:40:41", "text": "my body doesn't process uric acid"}, {"end": "04:40:48", "start": "04:40:43", "text": "properly. And so what ends up happening"}, {"end": "04:40:50", "start": "04:40:45", "text": "is the uric acid over time if I don't"}, {"end": "04:40:52", "start": "04:40:48", "text": "get it out of the system through some"}, {"end": "04:40:53", "start": "04:40:50", "text": "means like alipurol, it'll accumulate in"}, {"end": "04:40:55", "start": "04:40:52", "text": "the joints and you have gout attacks and"}, {"end": "04:40:57", "start": "04:40:53", "text": "they flare up with crystals and it's"}, {"end": "04:40:58", "start": "04:40:55", "text": "super [\u00a0__\u00a0] painful. They just stab"}, {"end": "04:40:59", "start": "04:40:57", "text": "you, you know, when you're walking"}, {"end": "04:41:01", "start": "04:40:58", "text": "around. It's one of the most painful"}, {"end": "04:41:03", "start": "04:40:59", "text": "conditions you can have and if you don't"}, {"end": "04:41:06", "start": "04:41:01", "text": "treat it, it gets progressive. So, it"}, {"end": "04:41:07", "start": "04:41:03", "text": "starts from the big toe to the joint to"}, {"end": "04:41:09", "start": "04:41:06", "text": "the knee to the hip and then eventually"}, {"end": "04:41:12", "start": "04:41:07", "text": "your hands and the whole body. So, you"}, {"end": "04:41:14", "start": "04:41:09", "text": "got to solve it. Well, there's a"}, {"end": "04:41:17", "start": "04:41:12", "text": "chemical called it's an enzyme called"}, {"end": "04:41:19", "start": "04:41:14", "text": "uricase and humans don't make it but it"}, {"end": "04:41:21", "start": "04:41:17", "text": "exists in nature and it digests uric"}, {"end": "04:41:22", "start": "04:41:19", "text": "acid and converts it to a water soluble"}, {"end": "04:41:25", "start": "04:41:21", "text": "kind of like vitamin C where you just"}, {"end": "04:41:27", "start": "04:41:22", "text": "pee it out alatonin. So what if I made a"}, {"end": "04:41:29", "start": "04:41:25", "text": "plasmid that made uricase? Then I could"}, {"end": "04:41:32", "start": "04:41:27", "text": "inject it to a person who has gout. And"}, {"end": "04:41:34", "start": "04:41:29", "text": "now you have a natural way of processing"}, {"end": "04:41:37", "start": "04:41:32", "text": "the uric acid. So you never have gout."}, {"end": "04:41:39", "start": "04:41:34", "text": "It's basically a cure. It's pretty cool."}, {"end": "04:41:41", "start": "04:41:37", "text": "And so there's all classes of diseases"}, {"end": "04:41:42", "start": "04:41:39", "text": "where your genetics don't allow you to"}, {"end": "04:41:45", "start": "04:41:41", "text": "make something because you lost the"}, {"end": "04:41:47", "start": "04:41:42", "text": "lottery and they're slowly killing you."}, {"end": "04:41:49", "start": "04:41:45", "text": "And so uh gene therapies are coming"}, {"end": "04:41:51", "start": "04:41:47", "text": "online. And what's really cool is like"}, {"end": "04:41:53", "start": "04:41:49", "text": "within 5 to 10 years we'll actually"}, {"end": "04:41:55", "start": "04:41:51", "text": "start having those treatments available"}, {"end": "04:41:57", "start": "04:41:53", "text": "and they're there. And then uh you can"}, {"end": "04:41:58", "start": "04:41:55", "text": "also use it for therapeutic"}, {"end": "04:42:01", "start": "04:41:57", "text": "interventions like the many circles"}, {"end": "04:42:04", "start": "04:41:58", "text": "using it for fall statin 344 which is uh"}, {"end": "04:42:07", "start": "04:42:01", "text": "this this uh chemical that basically"}, {"end": "04:42:08", "start": "04:42:04", "text": "allows you to build muscle. It turns off"}, {"end": "04:42:10", "start": "04:42:07", "text": "muscle inhibition. So if you see like"}, {"end": "04:42:12", "start": "04:42:08", "text": "pigs with it or cows with you can Google"}, {"end": "04:42:14", "start": "04:42:10", "text": "like muscle pig and you see like this"}, {"end": "04:42:17", "start": "04:42:12", "text": "picture is just [\u00a0__\u00a0] jacked up pig."}, {"end": "04:42:18", "start": "04:42:14", "text": "It's just looks like a damn beast. And"}, {"end": "04:42:20", "start": "04:42:17", "text": "so you so they actually that's their"}, {"end": "04:42:22", "start": "04:42:18", "text": "first product is the muscle pig uh"}, {"end": "04:42:23", "start": "04:42:20", "text": "plasmid. So they inject a person with"}, {"end": "04:42:26", "start": "04:42:22", "text": "folstatin and they just start building"}, {"end": "04:42:27", "start": "04:42:23", "text": "muscle like crazy uh with it. And what's"}, {"end": "04:42:29", "start": "04:42:26", "text": "cool is the plasmids only last like a"}, {"end": "04:42:31", "start": "04:42:27", "text": "year or two and you can turn them off."}, {"end": "04:42:33", "start": "04:42:29", "text": "You're using antibiotics. So they take"}, {"end": "04:42:34", "start": "04:42:31", "text": "it kills the plasma. Wow. Yeah. It's"}, {"end": "04:42:36", "start": "04:42:33", "text": "just crazy stuff. Well, the next thing"}, {"end": "04:42:38", "start": "04:42:34", "text": "they're looking at is TRT, testosterone"}, {"end": "04:42:40", "start": "04:42:36", "text": "replacement. And they're looking at HGH,"}, {"end": "04:42:42", "start": "04:42:38", "text": "human growth hormone, as another option."}, {"end": "04:42:44", "start": "04:42:40", "text": "So maybe that's a better way than you"}, {"end": "04:42:46", "start": "04:42:42", "text": "know dosing or these types of things cuz"}, {"end": "04:42:47", "start": "04:42:44", "text": "the the next step with the plasmid is"}, {"end": "04:42:50", "start": "04:42:46", "text": "can you create an internal regulation"}, {"end": "04:42:51", "start": "04:42:47", "text": "system. So like insulin regulation with"}, {"end": "04:42:53", "start": "04:42:50", "text": "your pancreas it makes it when you need"}, {"end": "04:42:55", "start": "04:42:51", "text": "it and then it turns it off when you"}, {"end": "04:42:56", "start": "04:42:53", "text": "don't need it. So you get a constant"}, {"end": "04:42:58", "start": "04:42:55", "text": "level instead of having to inject"}, {"end": "04:43:00", "start": "04:42:56", "text": "yourself with you know something with"}, {"end": "04:43:02", "start": "04:42:58", "text": "it. So but you know once you have the"}, {"end": "04:43:04", "start": "04:43:00", "text": "platform you kind of build your way up"}, {"end": "04:43:06", "start": "04:43:02", "text": "there and you get there. But the"}, {"end": "04:43:08", "start": "04:43:04", "text": "foundation of the platform is lifestyle."}, {"end": "04:43:09", "start": "04:43:06", "text": "You have to eat right you have to"}, {"end": "04:43:11", "start": "04:43:08", "text": "exercise. You have to sleep right. You"}, {"end": "04:43:12", "start": "04:43:09", "text": "have to have good mental health. If you"}, {"end": "04:43:14", "start": "04:43:11", "text": "don't, you're dead. And then the next"}, {"end": "04:43:16", "start": "04:43:12", "text": "level up is saying, okay, regenerative"}, {"end": "04:43:18", "start": "04:43:14", "text": "interventions, so hyperbarics and stem"}, {"end": "04:43:19", "start": "04:43:16", "text": "cells. And then as you move up, there's"}, {"end": "04:43:21", "start": "04:43:18", "text": "replacement parts. And as you move up,"}, {"end": "04:43:22", "start": "04:43:19", "text": "gene therapies for these types of"}, {"end": "04:43:24", "start": "04:43:21", "text": "things. But you can kind of walk the"}, {"end": "04:43:27", "start": "04:43:22", "text": "stack. Every step of the way though, you"}, {"end": "04:43:29", "start": "04:43:24", "text": "get two health span, longer lifespan and"}, {"end": "04:43:31", "start": "04:43:27", "text": "more comfortable life throughout. So"}, {"end": "04:43:32", "start": "04:43:29", "text": "it's not to make you immortal, but it's"}, {"end": "04:43:35", "start": "04:43:31", "text": "to say, hey, in your 80s, you're not a"}, {"end": "04:43:36", "start": "04:43:32", "text": "frail person, you know, scrunched over"}, {"end": "04:43:39", "start": "04:43:35", "text": "and you can't move. In your 80s, you're"}, {"end": "04:43:41", "start": "04:43:36", "text": "walking around. You're having fun. This"}, {"end": "04:43:43", "start": "04:43:39", "text": "is how Peter Aia thinks about life. You"}, {"end": "04:43:45", "start": "04:43:41", "text": "know, he he says, \"Hey, you should think"}, {"end": "04:43:48", "start": "04:43:43", "text": "about the proximal decade of your life,"}, {"end": "04:43:49", "start": "04:43:45", "text": "the last 10 years.\" And uh and you"}, {"end": "04:43:50", "start": "04:43:48", "text": "should say, \"Okay, what do you want to"}, {"end": "04:43:52", "start": "04:43:49", "text": "do in the last 10 years of your life? Do"}, {"end": "04:43:54", "start": "04:43:50", "text": "you want to be able to walk by yourself"}, {"end": "04:43:56", "start": "04:43:52", "text": "without a walker? You want to be able to"}, {"end": "04:43:58", "start": "04:43:54", "text": "swim for half a mile. You don't want to"}, {"end": "04:44:00", "start": "04:43:56", "text": "be able to, you know, uh feed yourself"}, {"end": "04:44:02", "start": "04:43:58", "text": "and clothe yourself. You know, you want"}, {"end": "04:44:04", "start": "04:44:00", "text": "to be able to take showers unassisted.\""}, {"end": "04:44:06", "start": "04:44:02", "text": "You write those things down and there's"}, {"end": "04:44:07", "start": "04:44:04", "text": "a formula and you have to crank up and"}, {"end": "04:44:09", "start": "04:44:06", "text": "say, \"Okay, how much muscle do you have"}, {"end": "04:44:11", "start": "04:44:07", "text": "to enter your 50s and your 60s in?\""}, {"end": "04:44:13", "start": "04:44:09", "text": "Because it's really hard to build muscle"}, {"end": "04:44:14", "start": "04:44:11", "text": "after your 60s. What type of foods do"}, {"end": "04:44:16", "start": "04:44:13", "text": "you need to eat? What type of sleep do"}, {"end": "04:44:17", "start": "04:44:14", "text": "you need to have? What type of other"}, {"end": "04:44:19", "start": "04:44:16", "text": "interventions do you need to do? And"}, {"end": "04:44:20", "start": "04:44:17", "text": "then that'll tell you basically what you"}, {"end": "04:44:22", "start": "04:44:19", "text": "need to do every day to be able to get"}, {"end": "04:44:24", "start": "04:44:20", "text": "to that point in the proximal decade."}, {"end": "04:44:25", "start": "04:44:22", "text": "Well, I think of it that, but I say,"}, {"end": "04:44:26", "start": "04:44:24", "text": "\"Well, you know, maybe I'll give you a"}, {"end": "04:44:28", "start": "04:44:25", "text": "little bit of help because not"}, {"end": "04:44:29", "start": "04:44:26", "text": "everybody's Ned Flanders and they're"}, {"end": "04:44:30", "start": "04:44:28", "text": "going to [\u00a0__\u00a0] do everything right.\""}, {"end": "04:44:33", "start": "04:44:29", "text": "Right. You know, sometimes we like our"}, {"end": "04:44:36", "start": "04:44:30", "text": "hard whiskey and fast women and, you"}, {"end": "04:44:38", "start": "04:44:33", "text": "know, bad stressful situations. The the"}, {"end": "04:44:40", "start": "04:44:36", "text": "best ex-wife I never had, right?"}, {"end": "04:44:42", "start": "04:44:38", "text": "Sometimes we like that stuff. So, the"}, {"end": "04:44:44", "start": "04:44:40", "text": "stem cell part is about correcting the"}, {"end": "04:44:46", "start": "04:44:42", "text": "problems that we had and hyperbarics is"}, {"end": "04:44:48", "start": "04:44:44", "text": "about correcting the problems we have."}, {"end": "04:44:50", "start": "04:44:46", "text": "And what's really magical about it is"}, {"end": "04:44:53", "start": "04:44:48", "text": "the AI is is helping tremendously. you"}, {"end": "04:44:54", "start": "04:44:50", "text": "know, uh, we're able to do literature"}, {"end": "04:44:56", "start": "04:44:53", "text": "review, especially from the Chinese"}, {"end": "04:44:58", "start": "04:44:54", "text": "papers, because the Chinese have so many"}, {"end": "04:45:00", "start": "04:44:56", "text": "of these guys working on this and they"}, {"end": "04:45:01", "start": "04:44:58", "text": "just trained more scientists than we"}, {"end": "04:45:03", "start": "04:45:00", "text": "did, but you can't read the papers"}, {"end": "04:45:04", "start": "04:45:01", "text": "because they're in Chinese or even when"}, {"end": "04:45:06", "start": "04:45:03", "text": "they're in English, it's it's they're"}, {"end": "04:45:08", "start": "04:45:04", "text": "very inaccessible. So, we were able to"}, {"end": "04:45:09", "start": "04:45:06", "text": "take pretty much every paper ever"}, {"end": "04:45:11", "start": "04:45:08", "text": "written in China and every paper written"}, {"end": "04:45:13", "start": "04:45:09", "text": "in other jurisdictions and run it"}, {"end": "04:45:14", "start": "04:45:11", "text": "through AI models and say, well, who's"}, {"end": "04:45:16", "start": "04:45:13", "text": "working on this thing and who's working"}, {"end": "04:45:18", "start": "04:45:14", "text": "on this thing and what were their"}, {"end": "04:45:19", "start": "04:45:16", "text": "experimental results that they got? and"}, {"end": "04:45:21", "start": "04:45:18", "text": "it gives you some indication of what's"}, {"end": "04:45:23", "start": "04:45:19", "text": "working and what's not working and it's"}, {"end": "04:45:25", "start": "04:45:21", "text": "already paid huge dividends and a lot of"}, {"end": "04:45:26", "start": "04:45:23", "text": "the research that we've done and I'd say"}, {"end": "04:45:28", "start": "04:45:25", "text": "just the last two years in particular"}, {"end": "04:45:29", "start": "04:45:26", "text": "we've probably done five or 10 years"}, {"end": "04:45:32", "start": "04:45:28", "text": "worth of desk work you know for this and"}, {"end": "04:45:34", "start": "04:45:29", "text": "I have a lot of MD PhDs that work for me"}, {"end": "04:45:35", "start": "04:45:32", "text": "so they do the translational medicine so"}, {"end": "04:45:37", "start": "04:45:34", "text": "they're able to take the basic science"}, {"end": "04:45:39", "start": "04:45:35", "text": "and then translate it and say this is"}, {"end": "04:45:40", "start": "04:45:37", "text": "what would be required for a human trial"}, {"end": "04:45:42", "start": "04:45:39", "text": "and here's how many patients you need"}, {"end": "04:45:44", "start": "04:45:40", "text": "and here's how the FDA is going to get"}, {"end": "04:45:46", "start": "04:45:42", "text": "happy and you know these types of things"}, {"end": "04:45:47", "start": "04:45:44", "text": "so it's super exciting you know to be"}, {"end": "04:45:49", "start": "04:45:46", "text": "able to to start that And that's going"}, {"end": "04:45:51", "start": "04:45:47", "text": "to be probably my legacy company. It's a"}, {"end": "04:45:54", "start": "04:45:49", "text": "very slow burner. Crypto's fast and"}, {"end": "04:45:56", "start": "04:45:51", "text": "exciting and chaotic and crazy. And the"}, {"end": "04:45:57", "start": "04:45:54", "text": "mathematics stuff which we kind of"}, {"end": "04:45:59", "start": "04:45:56", "text": "talked about like uh but I didn't"}, {"end": "04:46:00", "start": "04:45:57", "text": "mention the Hoskinson Center for Formal"}, {"end": "04:46:03", "start": "04:45:59", "text": "Mathematics. That's like a big passion"}, {"end": "04:46:05", "start": "04:46:00", "text": "of mine. But the the medicine thing is"}, {"end": "04:46:06", "start": "04:46:03", "text": "like the family business. This is what"}, {"end": "04:46:09", "start": "04:46:05", "text": "my grandpa did. It's what my dad does,"}, {"end": "04:46:11", "start": "04:46:06", "text": "what my brother does. And I really want"}, {"end": "04:46:13", "start": "04:46:09", "text": "to see, you know, 100 years from now,"}, {"end": "04:46:15", "start": "04:46:11", "text": "200 years from now, say this was the"}, {"end": "04:46:16", "start": "04:46:13", "text": "nexus of a new paradigm of medicine"}, {"end": "04:46:18", "start": "04:46:15", "text": "where we pulled a lot of different ideas"}, {"end": "04:46:21", "start": "04:46:16", "text": "together and we pivoted medicine back"}, {"end": "04:46:22", "start": "04:46:18", "text": "from treatments to cures. You we got"}, {"end": "04:46:24", "start": "04:46:21", "text": "people thinking how do I fix your"}, {"end": "04:46:26", "start": "04:46:22", "text": "problem instead of how do I manage your"}, {"end": "04:46:30", "start": "04:46:24", "text": "problem and create an economic system"}, {"end": "04:46:34", "start": "04:46:26", "text": "where that's profitable. Wow."}, {"end": "04:46:36", "start": "04:46:30", "text": "You have got a lot going on. Yeah,"}, {"end": "04:46:39", "start": "04:46:34", "text": "you got a lot going on. How do you I"}, {"end": "04:46:39", "start": "04:46:36", "text": "mean"}, {"end": "04:46:45", "start": "04:46:39", "text": "all these are amazing things. How do you"}, {"end": "04:46:46", "start": "04:46:42", "text": "I mean how do you"}, {"end": "04:46:49", "start": "04:46:45", "text": "how do you know what to put your energy"}, {"end": "04:46:51", "start": "04:46:46", "text": "into? What's the balance?"}, {"end": "04:46:53", "start": "04:46:49", "text": "Well, I'd say there's two parts to that,"}, {"end": "04:46:55", "start": "04:46:51", "text": "you know. One is um how do you make more"}, {"end": "04:46:57", "start": "04:46:53", "text": "energy and time, you know, and how do"}, {"end": "04:46:59", "start": "04:46:55", "text": "you better manage and organize your life"}, {"end": "04:47:04", "start": "04:46:57", "text": "and your time so that you can do these"}, {"end": "04:47:06", "start": "04:46:59", "text": "things? And then the other thing is uh"}, {"end": "04:47:08", "start": "04:47:04", "text": "you have to have an ethos that guides"}, {"end": "04:47:10", "start": "04:47:06", "text": "you so everything organically kind of"}, {"end": "04:47:12", "start": "04:47:08", "text": "clicks together and fits together into"}, {"end": "04:47:13", "start": "04:47:10", "text": "one comprehensive framework. So things"}, {"end": "04:47:14", "start": "04:47:12", "text": "are natural extension of these. Like"}, {"end": "04:47:16", "start": "04:47:13", "text": "when you look at Elon Musk, he seems"}, {"end": "04:47:18", "start": "04:47:14", "text": "like insane and chaotic from the"}, {"end": "04:47:20", "start": "04:47:16", "text": "outside. But when you integrate things"}, {"end": "04:47:22", "start": "04:47:18", "text": "together, you start realizing there's a"}, {"end": "04:47:24", "start": "04:47:20", "text": "cohesive picture behind all of his"}, {"end": "04:47:26", "start": "04:47:22", "text": "startups. Like why does he have the"}, {"end": "04:47:27", "start": "04:47:24", "text": "boring company? That doesn't make any"}, {"end": "04:47:29", "start": "04:47:26", "text": "sense. He's drilling all these tunnels"}, {"end": "04:47:32", "start": "04:47:27", "text": "underground. Like why would he do that?"}, {"end": "04:47:33", "start": "04:47:29", "text": "Well, if he wants to go to Mars, humans"}, {"end": "04:47:34", "start": "04:47:32", "text": "aren't going to live on the surface of"}, {"end": "04:47:35", "start": "04:47:33", "text": "Mars. They're going to live underground."}, {"end": "04:47:37", "start": "04:47:34", "text": "So, you're going to have to build"}, {"end": "04:47:39", "start": "04:47:35", "text": "massive tunnel complexes underground to"}, {"end": "04:47:41", "start": "04:47:37", "text": "be able to go through. Well, why does he"}, {"end": "04:47:42", "start": "04:47:39", "text": "have a solar company? Why does that make"}, {"end": "04:47:43", "start": "04:47:41", "text": "any sense? Well, you know, he's going to"}, {"end": "04:47:44", "start": "04:47:42", "text": "have to be pretty good at building power"}, {"end": "04:47:46", "start": "04:47:43", "text": "plants, right? So, why don't you build"}, {"end": "04:47:48", "start": "04:47:44", "text": "large solar fields? Cuz there's no real"}, {"end": "04:47:51", "start": "04:47:46", "text": "estate problems on Mars, so you can"}, {"end": "04:47:53", "start": "04:47:48", "text": "build like a 5m solar solar field on"}, {"end": "04:47:54", "start": "04:47:51", "text": "Mars if he wanted to, right? Um why is"}, {"end": "04:47:55", "start": "04:47:53", "text": "he building a robotics company? You"}, {"end": "04:47:57", "start": "04:47:54", "text": "know, why why does he have all these"}, {"end": "04:47:58", "start": "04:47:55", "text": "Tesla bots and these types of things?"}, {"end": "04:47:59", "start": "04:47:57", "text": "Well, he has all those Tesla bots"}, {"end": "04:48:01", "start": "04:47:58", "text": "because, you know, where's your"}, {"end": "04:48:03", "start": "04:47:59", "text": "workforce? If you're on Mars, you're not"}, {"end": "04:48:05", "start": "04:48:01", "text": "going to have 5 million humans show up"}, {"end": "04:48:07", "start": "04:48:03", "text": "overnight, but you can ship millions of"}, {"end": "04:48:08", "start": "04:48:05", "text": "robots ahead of time and use them as"}, {"end": "04:48:10", "start": "04:48:07", "text": "your labor force to help build up"}, {"end": "04:48:12", "start": "04:48:08", "text": "everything. And they don't need"}, {"end": "04:48:14", "start": "04:48:10", "text": "atmosphere or any of these other things."}, {"end": "04:48:16", "start": "04:48:12", "text": "Why does he have an AI company? Well,"}, {"end": "04:48:17", "start": "04:48:14", "text": "you need some sort of intelligence to"}, {"end": "04:48:19", "start": "04:48:16", "text": "coordinate and run and terraform the"}, {"end": "04:48:21", "start": "04:48:17", "text": "planet and do all these things. Why does"}, {"end": "04:48:22", "start": "04:48:19", "text": "he need a battery powered car company?"}, {"end": "04:48:24", "start": "04:48:21", "text": "Cuz you're not going to be running"}, {"end": "04:48:26", "start": "04:48:22", "text": "internal combustion engines. There's no"}, {"end": "04:48:28", "start": "04:48:24", "text": "fossil fuels to consume on Mars. So you"}, {"end": "04:48:30", "start": "04:48:26", "text": "need battery power cars to be able to"}, {"end": "04:48:32", "start": "04:48:28", "text": "drive them around. So it's it's actually"}, {"end": "04:48:33", "start": "04:48:30", "text": "coherent when you see that entire"}, {"end": "04:48:35", "start": "04:48:32", "text": "framework. He probably like wrote it all"}, {"end": "04:48:37", "start": "04:48:33", "text": "down while high and drunk at or Burning"}, {"end": "04:48:40", "start": "04:48:35", "text": "Man or something like that and he's like"}, {"end": "04:48:41", "start": "04:48:37", "text": "this makes so much sense. I'm so smart"}, {"end": "04:48:43", "start": "04:48:40", "text": "and he's just got like this pure force"}, {"end": "04:48:44", "start": "04:48:41", "text": "of will. So you know he's he's just"}, {"end": "04:48:46", "start": "04:48:43", "text": "doing it and just having fun doing it."}, {"end": "04:48:47", "start": "04:48:44", "text": "But if you look at it from the outside"}, {"end": "04:48:48", "start": "04:48:46", "text": "like everything looks like chaotic and"}, {"end": "04:48:51", "start": "04:48:47", "text": "crazy. Like why are we doing all these"}, {"end": "04:48:53", "start": "04:48:48", "text": "things? Um then when you look at like"}, {"end": "04:48:55", "start": "04:48:51", "text": "the energy where do you make energy more"}, {"end": "04:48:57", "start": "04:48:53", "text": "time? The single most valuable thing you"}, {"end": "04:48:59", "start": "04:48:55", "text": "can invest in if you're young is a"}, {"end": "04:49:02", "start": "04:48:57", "text": "second brain. You know, PKM, a personal"}, {"end": "04:49:04", "start": "04:48:59", "text": "knowledge management system. You have to"}, {"end": "04:49:05", "start": "04:49:02", "text": "be very good at note-taking and making."}, {"end": "04:49:07", "start": "04:49:04", "text": "And you have to be very good at"}, {"end": "04:49:09", "start": "04:49:05", "text": "organizing what you know and learning"}, {"end": "04:49:11", "start": "04:49:07", "text": "how to learn. You have to be exceedingly"}, {"end": "04:49:14", "start": "04:49:09", "text": "good at saying, okay, there's software"}, {"end": "04:49:16", "start": "04:49:11", "text": "for this like Obsidian or Notion or"}, {"end": "04:49:18", "start": "04:49:14", "text": "Evernote or OneNote. It doesn't matter"}, {"end": "04:49:19", "start": "04:49:16", "text": "the particular note system. You have to"}, {"end": "04:49:21", "start": "04:49:18", "text": "be really good at saying, \"How do I put"}, {"end": "04:49:23", "start": "04:49:19", "text": "my knowledge somewhere, the things that"}, {"end": "04:49:26", "start": "04:49:21", "text": "I know and link them so that I can find"}, {"end": "04:49:28", "start": "04:49:23", "text": "them again with context?\" It's not good"}, {"end": "04:49:30", "start": "04:49:26", "text": "enough to write something down because"}, {"end": "04:49:32", "start": "04:49:28", "text": "what if you find a handwritten note from"}, {"end": "04:49:34", "start": "04:49:30", "text": "25 years ago, you look at it, who the"}, {"end": "04:49:37", "start": "04:49:32", "text": "hell is Seth, you know, and what was he"}, {"end": "04:49:39", "start": "04:49:34", "text": "doing with that donkey? The [\u00a0__\u00a0] is this"}, {"end": "04:49:42", "start": "04:49:37", "text": "note about? You know, I don't know. You"}, {"end": "04:49:43", "start": "04:49:39", "text": "know, it it's like it's it's it's not"}, {"end": "04:49:45", "start": "04:49:42", "text": "meaningful. But if you have linked"}, {"end": "04:49:47", "start": "04:49:43", "text": "knowledge, then that name would been"}, {"end": "04:49:49", "start": "04:49:45", "text": "linked to a person and that's linked to"}, {"end": "04:49:51", "start": "04:49:47", "text": "another thing and that donkey is linked"}, {"end": "04:49:53", "start": "04:49:49", "text": "to another thing and it's and oh Tijuana"}, {"end": "04:49:55", "start": "04:49:51", "text": "okay now I know what was going on. So"}, {"end": "04:49:56", "start": "04:49:53", "text": "you have your linked knowledge. So"}, {"end": "04:49:58", "start": "04:49:55", "text": "knowledge linking is so powerful and"}, {"end": "04:50:00", "start": "04:49:56", "text": "it's how your brain thinks. If you look"}, {"end": "04:50:03", "start": "04:49:58", "text": "at how memory formation works, it's kind"}, {"end": "04:50:04", "start": "04:50:00", "text": "of a three-stage process and you know um"}, {"end": "04:50:07", "start": "04:50:03", "text": "first is the encoding when you read"}, {"end": "04:50:08", "start": "04:50:04", "text": "something uh you know do you encode it"}, {"end": "04:50:10", "start": "04:50:07", "text": "properly and that's the linkage of that"}, {"end": "04:50:13", "start": "04:50:08", "text": "to other things that you know and and"}, {"end": "04:50:15", "start": "04:50:10", "text": "then uh the next stage is is getting"}, {"end": "04:50:16", "start": "04:50:13", "text": "proper sleep because while you sleep"}, {"end": "04:50:19", "start": "04:50:15", "text": "memory formation is happening and then"}, {"end": "04:50:21", "start": "04:50:16", "text": "the third phase is recall so how do you"}, {"end": "04:50:24", "start": "04:50:19", "text": "pull it out of the system so your PKM"}, {"end": "04:50:26", "start": "04:50:21", "text": "has to mirror how your brain works as a"}, {"end": "04:50:27", "start": "04:50:24", "text": "human being and we do the exact opposite"}, {"end": "04:50:30", "start": "04:50:26", "text": "with note takingaking and knowledge"}, {"end": "04:50:32", "start": "04:50:27", "text": "systems. We put them in wikis and we put"}, {"end": "04:50:34", "start": "04:50:30", "text": "big deep hierarchies and things like"}, {"end": "04:50:35", "start": "04:50:32", "text": "that. And just for a moment, if you"}, {"end": "04:50:38", "start": "04:50:34", "text": "smell something, do you go to your"}, {"end": "04:50:40", "start": "04:50:35", "text": "folder like folder of smells and go"}, {"end": "04:50:42", "start": "04:50:38", "text": "navigate down and and work your way"}, {"end": "04:50:43", "start": "04:50:40", "text": "through a bunch of like characteristics"}, {"end": "04:50:45", "start": "04:50:42", "text": "of the smell? Maybe if you're like a"}, {"end": "04:50:47", "start": "04:50:43", "text": "somalier or something, I don't [\u00a0__\u00a0]"}, {"end": "04:50:49", "start": "04:50:45", "text": "know. But no, that smell is linked to a"}, {"end": "04:50:52", "start": "04:50:47", "text": "place and a location and a time or"}, {"end": "04:50:53", "start": "04:50:49", "text": "things like that's linked knowledge. So,"}, {"end": "04:50:55", "start": "04:50:52", "text": "it has to be a bottomup knowledge"}, {"end": "04:50:58", "start": "04:50:53", "text": "system. It has to mirror how the human"}, {"end": "04:50:59", "start": "04:50:55", "text": "brain cognates and how memory formation"}, {"end": "04:51:01", "start": "04:50:58", "text": "works. And then you have to have a"}, {"end": "04:51:04", "start": "04:50:59", "text": "metadata system around it, whether it's"}, {"end": "04:51:06", "start": "04:51:01", "text": "latch or something else that allows you"}, {"end": "04:51:08", "start": "04:51:04", "text": "to find things with context. Now, if you"}, {"end": "04:51:10", "start": "04:51:06", "text": "have that, what ends up happening is"}, {"end": "04:51:12", "start": "04:51:08", "text": "you've made time for yourself because"}, {"end": "04:51:15", "start": "04:51:10", "text": "you can deal with basically infinite"}, {"end": "04:51:17", "start": "04:51:12", "text": "complexity. You just have rooms in your"}, {"end": "04:51:19", "start": "04:51:15", "text": "second brain. So, you know, I'm in"}, {"end": "04:51:21", "start": "04:51:17", "text": "clinic mode, so here's my clinic room."}, {"end": "04:51:24", "start": "04:51:19", "text": "I'm in synthetic biology mode. So,"}, {"end": "04:51:26", "start": "04:51:21", "text": "here's my synthetic biology room. Uh,"}, {"end": "04:51:28", "start": "04:51:24", "text": "I'm in cryptocurrency land. So, here's"}, {"end": "04:51:30", "start": "04:51:26", "text": "my cryptocurrency thing. And those rooms"}, {"end": "04:51:32", "start": "04:51:28", "text": "are linked to each other. So, maybe"}, {"end": "04:51:33", "start": "04:51:30", "text": "there's this thing in medicine that's"}, {"end": "04:51:36", "start": "04:51:32", "text": "linked to cryptocurrency, private"}, {"end": "04:51:38", "start": "04:51:33", "text": "medical records. So, fourth generation"}, {"end": "04:51:41", "start": "04:51:36", "text": "cryptocurrency, privacy and identity."}, {"end": "04:51:42", "start": "04:51:38", "text": "Okay. So, well, how do I connect that to"}, {"end": "04:51:44", "start": "04:51:41", "text": "this? And how do I use a blockchain to"}, {"end": "04:51:45", "start": "04:51:42", "text": "sell my medical record system thing"}, {"end": "04:51:48", "start": "04:51:44", "text": "here? Well, now they're cross-lin."}, {"end": "04:51:51", "start": "04:51:45", "text": "They're there, right? And if you at the"}, {"end": "04:51:52", "start": "04:51:48", "text": "time of the note making you link that"}, {"end": "04:51:55", "start": "04:51:51", "text": "that it's there forever inside your"}, {"end": "04:51:56", "start": "04:51:52", "text": "second brain and you never forget it."}, {"end": "04:51:58", "start": "04:51:55", "text": "You see? So you can come back 25 years"}, {"end": "04:51:59", "start": "04:51:56", "text": "later and recover knowledge. So there's"}, {"end": "04:52:01", "start": "04:51:58", "text": "a whole systems for this called Zetto"}, {"end": "04:52:03", "start": "04:51:59", "text": "Casten which was Ludman's system and"}, {"end": "04:52:05", "start": "04:52:01", "text": "there's a lovely book how to take smart"}, {"end": "04:52:07", "start": "04:52:03", "text": "notes uh that talks about it. But"}, {"end": "04:52:09", "start": "04:52:05", "text": "there's thousands of profits in this"}, {"end": "04:52:11", "start": "04:52:07", "text": "personal productivity world. Um Nick"}, {"end": "04:52:14", "start": "04:52:09", "text": "Milo is one and there's Guy Zultz who's"}, {"end": "04:52:16", "start": "04:52:11", "text": "a weird Bulgarian guy. Uh but you know"}, {"end": "04:52:18", "start": "04:52:14", "text": "it's all the same roads to the same"}, {"end": "04:52:22", "start": "04:52:16", "text": "destination which is you create a second"}, {"end": "04:52:24", "start": "04:52:18", "text": "brain and you think into that then uh"}, {"end": "04:52:27", "start": "04:52:22", "text": "recharge and rejuvenate."}, {"end": "04:52:29", "start": "04:52:24", "text": "You can't just go go go. You have to"}, {"end": "04:52:31", "start": "04:52:27", "text": "have hard and soft hard and soft. You"}, {"end": "04:52:33", "start": "04:52:29", "text": "have to get into a cadence in life where"}, {"end": "04:52:36", "start": "04:52:31", "text": "you're able to give yourself the space"}, {"end": "04:52:38", "start": "04:52:33", "text": "to recharge. And in many cases that"}, {"end": "04:52:40", "start": "04:52:36", "text": "means doing nothing. Mhm. You know you"}, {"end": "04:52:42", "start": "04:52:38", "text": "just you're literally just going to sit"}, {"end": "04:52:44", "start": "04:52:40", "text": "down and [\u00a0__\u00a0] veg out. And the"}, {"end": "04:52:46", "start": "04:52:42", "text": "problem with a type A personality is you"}, {"end": "04:52:48", "start": "04:52:44", "text": "think that's like a mortal sin like"}, {"end": "04:52:50", "start": "04:52:46", "text": "you're sending orphans on fire or"}, {"end": "04:52:52", "start": "04:52:48", "text": "something like that like a Viking raider"}, {"end": "04:52:54", "start": "04:52:50", "text": "like boarding up the church. And it is"}, {"end": "04:52:55", "start": "04:52:52", "text": "it's like no it's okay. You know you"}, {"end": "04:52:57", "start": "04:52:54", "text": "you've done all these amazing things in"}, {"end": "04:52:59", "start": "04:52:55", "text": "life. You didn't get there by just"}, {"end": "04:53:01", "start": "04:52:57", "text": "killing yourself every day. You have to"}, {"end": "04:53:04", "start": "04:52:59", "text": "take a step back and let it drift and"}, {"end": "04:53:05", "start": "04:53:01", "text": "let yourself veg out and then rejuvenate"}, {"end": "04:53:07", "start": "04:53:04", "text": "and recharge. And then there's a"}, {"end": "04:53:09", "start": "04:53:05", "text": "habitualization of rejuvenation. That's"}, {"end": "04:53:12", "start": "04:53:07", "text": "why I have the ranch. You know, I take"}, {"end": "04:53:14", "start": "04:53:09", "text": "the Blackhawk up to the ranch. We land."}, {"end": "04:53:16", "start": "04:53:12", "text": "I'm there. I veg out for the weekend."}, {"end": "04:53:17", "start": "04:53:14", "text": "And I'm just driving around in my ATV"}, {"end": "04:53:18", "start": "04:53:16", "text": "and I see my bison. They're walking"}, {"end": "04:53:19", "start": "04:53:17", "text": "around. I look at them. They look at me"}, {"end": "04:53:21", "start": "04:53:18", "text": "and I say, \"You're going to kill me"}, {"end": "04:53:23", "start": "04:53:19", "text": "today.\" And they say, \"No.\" And I say,"}, {"end": "04:53:24", "start": "04:53:21", "text": "\"All right.\" And I just keep driving"}, {"end": "04:53:27", "start": "04:53:23", "text": "around. You know, maybe I see a mountain"}, {"end": "04:53:28", "start": "04:53:24", "text": "lion. Only did it once. You know, just"}, {"end": "04:53:29", "start": "04:53:27", "text": "hanging out on the road. They look at"}, {"end": "04:53:30", "start": "04:53:28", "text": "me. I look at them and I'm like, \"Come"}, {"end": "04:53:32", "start": "04:53:29", "text": "on, guys. You're supposed to be"}, {"end": "04:53:34", "start": "04:53:30", "text": "ferocious.\" And they slowly walk away"}, {"end": "04:53:37", "start": "04:53:32", "text": "and like, \"Oh, [\u00a0__\u00a0] you, too.\" Um, you"}, {"end": "04:53:38", "start": "04:53:34", "text": "know, and and so so but that's recharge,"}, {"end": "04:53:40", "start": "04:53:37", "text": "right? And it and you and if I wrote"}, {"end": "04:53:42", "start": "04:53:38", "text": "down on a piece of paper, what did I"}, {"end": "04:53:44", "start": "04:53:40", "text": "accomplish today? It's like nothing."}, {"end": "04:53:45", "start": "04:53:42", "text": "Absolutely nothing. But that then"}, {"end": "04:53:47", "start": "04:53:44", "text": "enables me to get back into the other"}, {"end": "04:53:49", "start": "04:53:45", "text": "mode, which is the hyper, you know,"}, {"end": "04:53:51", "start": "04:53:47", "text": "ferocious and we're gone, going, gone."}, {"end": "04:53:53", "start": "04:53:49", "text": "And when paired with a second brain, and"}, {"end": "04:53:54", "start": "04:53:51", "text": "you have that, you're good. But none of"}, {"end": "04:53:56", "start": "04:53:53", "text": "that means anything if you don't have"}, {"end": "04:53:58", "start": "04:53:54", "text": "motivation. And you only have motivation"}, {"end": "04:54:00", "start": "04:53:56", "text": "if you have an overarching threat of"}, {"end": "04:54:01", "start": "04:53:58", "text": "your life. So Musk has one. And that's"}, {"end": "04:54:03", "start": "04:54:00", "text": "why no matter what the hell he gets hit"}, {"end": "04:54:04", "start": "04:54:01", "text": "with, he just keeps going. And that's"}, {"end": "04:54:06", "start": "04:54:03", "text": "why he keeps building rockets and all"}, {"end": "04:54:08", "start": "04:54:04", "text": "this other stuff cuz he set an"}, {"end": "04:54:11", "start": "04:54:06", "text": "impossible goal and he's trying to make"}, {"end": "04:54:12", "start": "04:54:08", "text": "it possible. So I set a goal saying I"}, {"end": "04:54:14", "start": "04:54:11", "text": "want to change the economic, political,"}, {"end": "04:54:16", "start": "04:54:12", "text": "and social systems of the world. I think"}, {"end": "04:54:18", "start": "04:54:14", "text": "that I have a real shot of doing it"}, {"end": "04:54:20", "start": "04:54:16", "text": "using cryptocurrency technologies. So if"}, {"end": "04:54:22", "start": "04:54:18", "text": "I build enough technology and I get"}, {"end": "04:54:24", "start": "04:54:20", "text": "enough people to drink the Kool-Aid and"}, {"end": "04:54:25", "start": "04:54:22", "text": "get into this paradigm, they'll say,"}, {"end": "04:54:27", "start": "04:54:24", "text": "\"Yeah, actually there's there's a there"}, {"end": "04:54:29", "start": "04:54:25", "text": "there. We should go and do that.\" So"}, {"end": "04:54:30", "start": "04:54:27", "text": "then every day I wake up, I'm always"}, {"end": "04:54:33", "start": "04:54:29", "text": "going back to that and I'm asking like"}, {"end": "04:54:35", "start": "04:54:30", "text": "am how did I move the chains a little"}, {"end": "04:54:37", "start": "04:54:33", "text": "bit. So the other most important thing"}, {"end": "04:54:40", "start": "04:54:35", "text": "and I tell young people to do this all"}, {"end": "04:54:42", "start": "04:54:37", "text": "the time. Journal is the most powerful"}, {"end": "04:54:44", "start": "04:54:40", "text": "thing and you don't think it is but god"}, {"end": "04:54:46", "start": "04:54:42", "text": "it's so powerful."}, {"end": "04:54:48", "start": "04:54:44", "text": "It just it's a dialogue with yourself"}, {"end": "04:54:50", "start": "04:54:46", "text": "and just go out there. You don't have to"}, {"end": "04:54:51", "start": "04:54:48", "text": "be goal directed. Just write stuff down."}, {"end": "04:54:53", "start": "04:54:50", "text": "It could be a sentence. It could be a"}, {"end": "04:54:55", "start": "04:54:51", "text": "paragraph. It could be a [\u00a0__\u00a0] nolla."}, {"end": "04:54:57", "start": "04:54:53", "text": "Congratulations. If you're, you know,"}, {"end": "04:54:59", "start": "04:54:55", "text": "you're going to be a novelist, doesn't"}, {"end": "04:55:02", "start": "04:54:57", "text": "matter. What matters is the dialogue on"}, {"end": "04:55:03", "start": "04:54:59", "text": "a daily basis because it's a check-in"}, {"end": "04:55:06", "start": "04:55:02", "text": "with you. You're saying, \"How do I"}, {"end": "04:55:07", "start": "04:55:03", "text": "feel?\" You know, \"Where did I fail? What"}, {"end": "04:55:08", "start": "04:55:06", "text": "am I doing well? What am I not doing?"}, {"end": "04:55:11", "start": "04:55:07", "text": "What am I afraid of? What am I not"}, {"end": "04:55:13", "start": "04:55:08", "text": "afraid of?\" And it's so therapeutic."}, {"end": "04:55:15", "start": "04:55:11", "text": "Every research study that's ever done by"}, {"end": "04:55:16", "start": "04:55:13", "text": "psychologists and psychiatrists show"}, {"end": "04:55:18", "start": "04:55:15", "text": "that when people journal, their mental"}, {"end": "04:55:20", "start": "04:55:16", "text": "health is measurably better than when"}, {"end": "04:55:22", "start": "04:55:18", "text": "they don't journal, especially over a"}, {"end": "04:55:25", "start": "04:55:20", "text": "protracted period of time, 5 years, 10"}, {"end": "04:55:27", "start": "04:55:22", "text": "years, 15 years. And it helps you start"}, {"end": "04:55:28", "start": "04:55:25", "text": "building that muscle up to help you"}, {"end": "04:55:30", "start": "04:55:27", "text": "understand an overarching narrative"}, {"end": "04:55:32", "start": "04:55:28", "text": "because you can read all your journals"}, {"end": "04:55:35", "start": "04:55:30", "text": "especially with AI and you can say the"}, {"end": "04:55:39", "start": "04:55:32", "text": "last 10 years or 15 years what's the"}, {"end": "04:55:41", "start": "04:55:35", "text": "theme like you know the spaces in my"}, {"end": "04:55:43", "start": "04:55:39", "text": "life oh that's the cryptocurrency phase"}, {"end": "04:55:45", "start": "04:55:41", "text": "of your life or this phase or this phase"}, {"end": "04:55:47", "start": "04:55:43", "text": "like if Reagan Reagan was a brilliant"}, {"end": "04:55:49", "start": "04:55:45", "text": "guy and he he wrote tons of letters and"}, {"end": "04:55:51", "start": "04:55:47", "text": "but he also journaled a lot and he had"}, {"end": "04:55:53", "start": "04:55:49", "text": "phases in his life and you could clearly"}, {"end": "04:55:55", "start": "04:55:51", "text": "see it in his writing he's like he's the"}, {"end": "04:55:57", "start": "04:55:53", "text": "radio broadcaster phase and this is the"}, {"end": "04:55:59", "start": "04:55:55", "text": "actor phase and this is the screen actor"}, {"end": "04:56:01", "start": "04:55:57", "text": "guild phase and this is the GE spokesman"}, {"end": "04:56:04", "start": "04:55:59", "text": "phase and this is the political Reagan"}, {"end": "04:56:06", "start": "04:56:01", "text": "phase at the governor level and then the"}, {"end": "04:56:07", "start": "04:56:04", "text": "political Reagan phase at the president"}, {"end": "04:56:09", "start": "04:56:06", "text": "level and this is the Reagan phase post"}, {"end": "04:56:11", "start": "04:56:07", "text": "presidency dealing with Alzheimer's and"}, {"end": "04:56:12", "start": "04:56:09", "text": "every step of the way you could see the"}, {"end": "04:56:15", "start": "04:56:11", "text": "transformation of the person and his"}, {"end": "04:56:17", "start": "04:56:12", "text": "cognition and you could see him grow as"}, {"end": "04:56:18", "start": "04:56:15", "text": "a human being along the way what he"}, {"end": "04:56:23", "start": "04:56:17", "text": "talked about his perceptions and these"}, {"end": "04:56:25", "start": "04:56:18", "text": "things and what's nice about that is it"}, {"end": "04:56:27", "start": "04:56:23", "text": "shows how much you can accomplish as a"}, {"end": "04:56:29", "start": "04:56:25", "text": "human being in a decade. You know, we"}, {"end": "04:56:31", "start": "04:56:27", "text": "overestimate what we can do in a year."}, {"end": "04:56:32", "start": "04:56:29", "text": "We vastly underestimate what we can do"}, {"end": "04:56:35", "start": "04:56:31", "text": "in a decade. I was broke 10 years ago."}, {"end": "04:56:37", "start": "04:56:32", "text": "I'm billionaire today and I nobody knew"}, {"end": "04:56:38", "start": "04:56:35", "text": "who the hell I was 10 years ago. Now I'm"}, {"end": "04:56:40", "start": "04:56:37", "text": "pretty well-known guy. Million Twitter"}, {"end": "04:56:43", "start": "04:56:38", "text": "followers and a lot of people listen to"}, {"end": "04:56:45", "start": "04:56:40", "text": "me for better or for worse. But there's"}, {"end": "04:56:46", "start": "04:56:43", "text": "got there was no one moment where"}, {"end": "04:56:49", "start": "04:56:45", "text": "everything just magically changed and I"}, {"end": "04:56:52", "start": "04:56:46", "text": "instantly got famous. you know uh it was"}, {"end": "04:56:54", "start": "04:56:49", "text": "just a gradual thing and the resolution"}, {"end": "04:56:56", "start": "04:56:52", "text": "is too low uh for any one moment but if"}, {"end": "04:56:58", "start": "04:56:54", "text": "you look at the totality of all the"}, {"end": "04:57:00", "start": "04:56:56", "text": "writing you can get there and that is"}, {"end": "04:57:02", "start": "04:56:58", "text": "how you derive meaning once you look at"}, {"end": "04:57:04", "start": "04:57:00", "text": "these things you can kind of take the"}, {"end": "04:57:06", "start": "04:57:02", "text": "time during those veg out states to just"}, {"end": "04:57:08", "start": "04:57:04", "text": "consider it but once you have the"}, {"end": "04:57:10", "start": "04:57:06", "text": "meaning you're fanatic and then you have"}, {"end": "04:57:12", "start": "04:57:08", "text": "infinite energy because no matter how"}, {"end": "04:57:14", "start": "04:57:10", "text": "weak you get you can go back to that you"}, {"end": "04:57:16", "start": "04:57:12", "text": "know it's just like if you do something"}, {"end": "04:57:18", "start": "04:57:14", "text": "extreme like how do you survive buds or"}, {"end": "04:57:21", "start": "04:57:16", "text": "an ultramarathon or whatever the hell It"}, {"end": "04:57:22", "start": "04:57:18", "text": "is. It's not how strong physically you"}, {"end": "04:57:23", "start": "04:57:21", "text": "are. You could have been an Olympic"}, {"end": "04:57:25", "start": "04:57:22", "text": "swimmer or, you know, an Olympic"}, {"end": "04:57:26", "start": "04:57:23", "text": "champion and you have all these amazing"}, {"end": "04:57:29", "start": "04:57:25", "text": "skills. You're still going to ring the"}, {"end": "04:57:31", "start": "04:57:26", "text": "bell. You know, you have to have some"}, {"end": "04:57:32", "start": "04:57:29", "text": "why that's connecting there that burns"}, {"end": "04:57:35", "start": "04:57:31", "text": "within you that's transcendent of just"}, {"end": "04:57:37", "start": "04:57:32", "text": "pure ego. Like I'm a badass cuz they do"}, {"end": "04:57:39", "start": "04:57:35", "text": "everything in their power to destroy"}, {"end": "04:57:40", "start": "04:57:37", "text": "that image of you as a badass. And if"}, {"end": "04:57:42", "start": "04:57:39", "text": "they think that you still have that"}, {"end": "04:57:44", "start": "04:57:40", "text": "image, they'll make you a sugar cookie."}, {"end": "04:57:46", "start": "04:57:42", "text": "They'll just break you one. And that's"}, {"end": "04:57:48", "start": "04:57:44", "text": "what they're supposed to do. So even"}, {"end": "04:57:49", "start": "04:57:46", "text": "after the image of you as a badass is"}, {"end": "04:57:51", "start": "04:57:48", "text": "gone, there's got to be something that's"}, {"end": "04:57:53", "start": "04:57:49", "text": "left over that's a screaming burning why"}, {"end": "04:57:55", "start": "04:57:51", "text": "within you. And if you have meaning in"}, {"end": "04:57:56", "start": "04:57:53", "text": "your life, you have that. So then you"}, {"end": "04:57:58", "start": "04:57:55", "text": "can do anything, you know, at that"}, {"end": "04:57:59", "start": "04:57:56", "text": "point. And it's just a question, who are"}, {"end": "04:58:01", "start": "04:57:58", "text": "you doing it for? Are you doing it for"}, {"end": "04:58:03", "start": "04:57:59", "text": "yourself or are you doing it for the"}, {"end": "04:58:05", "start": "04:58:01", "text": "world as a whole? That's the difference"}, {"end": "04:58:06", "start": "04:58:03", "text": "between a good person and a bad person."}, {"end": "04:58:08", "start": "04:58:05", "text": "You know, I talked to a philosopher"}, {"end": "04:58:11", "start": "04:58:06", "text": "once. He said, Charles, you know what is"}, {"end": "04:58:14", "start": "04:58:08", "text": "the ultimate question in reality? I"}, {"end": "04:58:17", "start": "04:58:11", "text": "said, what is it?"}, {"end": "04:58:19", "start": "04:58:14", "text": "Will mankind on average return the"}, {"end": "04:58:20", "start": "04:58:17", "text": "shopping cart?"}, {"end": "04:58:22", "start": "04:58:19", "text": "I was like, what the [\u00a0__\u00a0] are you"}, {"end": "04:58:25", "start": "04:58:20", "text": "talking about? He said, well, think"}, {"end": "04:58:26", "start": "04:58:22", "text": "about it. You know, you're at Walmart,"}, {"end": "04:58:28", "start": "04:58:25", "text": "you're going out to your car, you can"}, {"end": "04:58:30", "start": "04:58:26", "text": "just leave that shopping cart in the"}, {"end": "04:58:32", "start": "04:58:28", "text": "parking space right next to your car,"}, {"end": "04:58:35", "start": "04:58:30", "text": "and there's no consequences to it if you"}, {"end": "04:58:36", "start": "04:58:32", "text": "do. It's kind of a shitty thing to do to"}, {"end": "04:58:38", "start": "04:58:35", "text": "the basket guy, but not really. It's"}, {"end": "04:58:40", "start": "04:58:36", "text": "kind of his job. If you return it,"}, {"end": "04:58:43", "start": "04:58:38", "text": "nobody thanks you. You don't really get"}, {"end": "04:58:45", "start": "04:58:40", "text": "any brownie points for it. So, a"}, {"end": "04:58:47", "start": "04:58:43", "text": "virtuous society is a society where all"}, {"end": "04:58:49", "start": "04:58:45", "text": "the baskets are returned. And an evil,"}, {"end": "04:58:51", "start": "04:58:47", "text": "immoral society is a society where none"}, {"end": "04:58:52", "start": "04:58:49", "text": "of them are returned. And I one of these"}, {"end": "04:58:54", "start": "04:58:51", "text": "days I'm going to fund a study where"}, {"end": "04:58:55", "start": "04:58:52", "text": "we're just going to use drones and go to"}, {"end": "04:58:57", "start": "04:58:54", "text": "like Walmart after Walmart and go to"}, {"end": "04:58:59", "start": "04:58:55", "text": "like all the broken neighborhoods and"}, {"end": "04:59:00", "start": "04:58:57", "text": "all the like happy Pleasantville"}, {"end": "04:59:01", "start": "04:58:59", "text": "neighborhoods and I'm going to see the"}, {"end": "04:59:03", "start": "04:59:00", "text": "ratio of shopping carts, you know, that"}, {"end": "04:59:05", "start": "04:59:01", "text": "have been returned versus not returned"}, {"end": "04:59:06", "start": "04:59:03", "text": "because it's an interesting thing. But I"}, {"end": "04:59:09", "start": "04:59:05", "text": "think there's some truth, you know, to"}, {"end": "04:59:11", "start": "04:59:06", "text": "all of that. It's like um it's those"}, {"end": "04:59:13", "start": "04:59:09", "text": "daily personal grind, you know, that you"}, {"end": "04:59:14", "start": "04:59:11", "text": "come back to and those little victories"}, {"end": "04:59:16", "start": "04:59:13", "text": "like did you go to the gym today? Did"}, {"end": "04:59:17", "start": "04:59:14", "text": "you like Jordan Peterson, did you make"}, {"end": "04:59:20", "start": "04:59:16", "text": "your bed today? You know, did you come"}, {"end": "04:59:22", "start": "04:59:17", "text": "to lobster? You know, those little wins"}, {"end": "04:59:24", "start": "04:59:20", "text": "that you do that accumulate over a"}, {"end": "04:59:26", "start": "04:59:22", "text": "lifetime and that excellence then"}, {"end": "04:59:28", "start": "04:59:24", "text": "permeates and it becomes part of it. And"}, {"end": "04:59:29", "start": "04:59:26", "text": "then the directionality of the wins, the"}, {"end": "04:59:33", "start": "04:59:28", "text": "meaning is like who are you doing those"}, {"end": "04:59:33", "start": "04:59:29", "text": "things for?"}, {"end": "04:59:39", "start": "04:59:34", "text": "Well, Charles, this has been a"}, {"end": "04:59:42", "start": "04:59:37", "text": "fascinating conversation"}, {"end": "04:59:45", "start": "04:59:39", "text": "and um want to want to leave with one"}, {"end": "04:59:47", "start": "04:59:42", "text": "one last question. If you had three"}, {"end": "04:59:48", "start": "04:59:45", "text": "people to recommend for the podcast, who"}, {"end": "04:59:49", "start": "04:59:47", "text": "would that be? Oh, that's a good"}, {"end": "04:59:52", "start": "04:59:48", "text": "question. Well, you got to have Ben Lamb"}, {"end": "04:59:54", "start": "04:59:49", "text": "on. Come on. He's Mr. Mr. Direwolf. And"}, {"end": "04:59:58", "start": "04:59:52", "text": "I'll call him and be like, why you you"}, {"end": "05:00:00", "start": "04:59:54", "text": "got got on Sean Ryan. Come on. Um, have"}, {"end": "05:00:02", "start": "04:59:58", "text": "you ever interviewed Avi Lo? I have."}, {"end": "05:00:04", "start": "05:00:00", "text": "Okay. I have about what we just talked"}, {"end": "05:00:05", "start": "05:00:02", "text": "about there. Okay, good. So, you you"}, {"end": "05:00:07", "start": "05:00:04", "text": "know the whole Avi Lobo experience. He's"}, {"end": "05:00:09", "start": "05:00:05", "text": "a great guy. I love that guy. Oh, he's"}, {"end": "05:00:10", "start": "05:00:07", "text": "so good. He's so good. Spend two weeks"}, {"end": "05:00:12", "start": "05:00:09", "text": "on a ship with him. You'll know"}, {"end": "05:00:15", "start": "05:00:10", "text": "everything about him. Um shipmates are"}, {"end": "05:00:17", "start": "05:00:12", "text": "great. Um let's see here. Avi would be"}, {"end": "05:00:19", "start": "05:00:15", "text": "uh really really cool. Uh if you ever"}, {"end": "05:00:21", "start": "05:00:17", "text": "want to go deep science, Terry Tao would"}, {"end": "05:00:23", "start": "05:00:19", "text": "be a lot of fun to Terry Tao. Yeah, he's"}, {"end": "05:00:25", "start": "05:00:21", "text": "the smartest mathematician in the world."}, {"end": "05:00:28", "start": "05:00:23", "text": "He's like probably the smartest human"}, {"end": "05:00:30", "start": "05:00:25", "text": "being alive right now. I you know it"}, {"end": "05:00:32", "start": "05:00:28", "text": "just there's smart people and then"}, {"end": "05:00:34", "start": "05:00:30", "text": "there's people that just have infinite"}, {"end": "05:00:37", "start": "05:00:32", "text": "depth and"}, {"end": "05:00:39", "start": "05:00:34", "text": "I always was I'm always fascinated like"}, {"end": "05:00:42", "start": "05:00:37", "text": "how does he decide what problem to work"}, {"end": "05:00:44", "start": "05:00:39", "text": "on? Imagine if you have this curse where"}, {"end": "05:00:45", "start": "05:00:42", "text": "you can solve anything but not"}, {"end": "05:00:47", "start": "05:00:44", "text": "everything and you know the clock is"}, {"end": "05:00:48", "start": "05:00:45", "text": "ticking and you have finite time and"}, {"end": "05:00:51", "start": "05:00:47", "text": "you're going to lose your ability to do"}, {"end": "05:00:54", "start": "05:00:48", "text": "that. So what would you do? And Terry is"}, {"end": "05:00:55", "start": "05:00:51", "text": "one of those few human beings where he"}, {"end": "05:00:58", "start": "05:00:54", "text": "is legitimately in that position. He's"}, {"end": "05:00:59", "start": "05:00:55", "text": "so insanely He graduated from high"}, {"end": "05:01:01", "start": "05:00:58", "text": "school at 12. He got his PhD at Prince"}, {"end": "05:01:04", "start": "05:00:59", "text": "at 21. He won the Nobel Prize of math,"}, {"end": "05:01:06", "start": "05:01:01", "text": "the Fields Medal at 28. He's just so"}, {"end": "05:01:07", "start": "05:01:04", "text": "insanely brilliant. Like literally any"}, {"end": "05:01:10", "start": "05:01:06", "text": "problem he can solve. He can't solve"}, {"end": "05:01:11", "start": "05:01:07", "text": "them all. So like how does he spend his"}, {"end": "05:01:14", "start": "05:01:10", "text": "time? And you know, how does he make"}, {"end": "05:01:17", "start": "05:01:11", "text": "that decision? And uh you know what is"}, {"end": "05:01:19", "start": "05:01:14", "text": "elegant to him? What's amazing to him? I"}, {"end": "05:01:21", "start": "05:01:17", "text": "I I love looking at the extremes in"}, {"end": "05:01:23", "start": "05:01:19", "text": "people and saying, you know, this"}, {"end": "05:01:25", "start": "05:01:21", "text": "person, you know, what's there? Roger"}, {"end": "05:01:27", "start": "05:01:23", "text": "Penrose would be another and Federico"}, {"end": "05:01:29", "start": "05:01:25", "text": "Fagen. Roger in particular because he's"}, {"end": "05:01:31", "start": "05:01:27", "text": "at the twilight of his life and as one"}, {"end": "05:01:32", "start": "05:01:29", "text": "of the most brilliant physicists ever to"}, {"end": "05:01:34", "start": "05:01:31", "text": "live, he's chosen to spend his time on"}, {"end": "05:01:36", "start": "05:01:32", "text": "consciousness and he's chosen to spend"}, {"end": "05:01:38", "start": "05:01:34", "text": "his time on in particular quantum"}, {"end": "05:01:40", "start": "05:01:36", "text": "consciousness like this entanglement"}, {"end": "05:01:43", "start": "05:01:38", "text": "thing that we talked about earlier. He's"}, {"end": "05:01:45", "start": "05:01:40", "text": "a phenomenal speaker and um and it just"}, {"end": "05:01:47", "start": "05:01:43", "text": "there's a depth of of thought and and"}, {"end": "05:01:49", "start": "05:01:45", "text": "elegance of his thought that is"}, {"end": "05:01:51", "start": "05:01:47", "text": "tremendously refreshing uh for these"}, {"end": "05:01:53", "start": "05:01:49", "text": "things. I tend to be enamored with, you"}, {"end": "05:01:55", "start": "05:01:51", "text": "know, the people who have clean"}, {"end": "05:01:58", "start": "05:01:53", "text": "thinking, you know, and a very original"}, {"end": "05:02:00", "start": "05:01:55", "text": "thinking and and they're kind of in that"}, {"end": "05:02:02", "start": "05:01:58", "text": "they just don't give a [\u00a0__\u00a0] at all about"}, {"end": "05:02:05", "start": "05:02:00", "text": "the social consequences of what they say"}, {"end": "05:02:06", "start": "05:02:02", "text": "or do. They're totally divorced for it."}, {"end": "05:02:09", "start": "05:02:05", "text": "Like one mathematician I always want to"}, {"end": "05:02:10", "start": "05:02:06", "text": "meet was Gregory Pearlman and he did the"}, {"end": "05:02:12", "start": "05:02:09", "text": "thing that no one has ever dreamed to"}, {"end": "05:02:14", "start": "05:02:10", "text": "do. So he sore's conjecture which was"}, {"end": "05:02:16", "start": "05:02:12", "text": "this very hard math problem and he got"}, {"end": "05:02:18", "start": "05:02:14", "text": "the Nobel Prize in math for it and"}, {"end": "05:02:19", "start": "05:02:16", "text": "normally you go and show up get a"}, {"end": "05:02:20", "start": "05:02:18", "text": "million dollars and get this beautiful"}, {"end": "05:02:22", "start": "05:02:19", "text": "gold medal and then you tell all your"}, {"end": "05:02:24", "start": "05:02:20", "text": "friends like how smart you are and"}, {"end": "05:02:26", "start": "05:02:22", "text": "special. He turned it down and he left"}, {"end": "05:02:28", "start": "05:02:24", "text": "math. He's just like I did what I wanted"}, {"end": "05:02:30", "start": "05:02:26", "text": "to do and now he's just in St."}, {"end": "05:02:33", "start": "05:02:28", "text": "Petersburg riding the subway and like"}, {"end": "05:02:34", "start": "05:02:30", "text": "chopping wood and is completely out of"}, {"end": "05:02:37", "start": "05:02:33", "text": "the field and it's just inconceivable to"}, {"end": "05:02:38", "start": "05:02:34", "text": "me that somebody like wow at that level"}, {"end": "05:02:40", "start": "05:02:37", "text": "would do that and he doesn't take any"}, {"end": "05:02:41", "start": "05:02:38", "text": "interviews he doesn't talk to any"}, {"end": "05:02:44", "start": "05:02:40", "text": "journalist he's just on a different"}, {"end": "05:02:45", "start": "05:02:41", "text": "reality uh Matthew Ricard is another"}, {"end": "05:02:47", "start": "05:02:44", "text": "really cool guy there's a book written"}, {"end": "05:02:48", "start": "05:02:45", "text": "about him and they call him the happiest"}, {"end": "05:02:50", "start": "05:02:47", "text": "man in the world he's this Buddhist monk"}, {"end": "05:02:52", "start": "05:02:48", "text": "who was a scientist and then he decided"}, {"end": "05:02:54", "start": "05:02:50", "text": "to leave science and then he went into"}, {"end": "05:02:56", "start": "05:02:52", "text": "the monastery and uh he just meditated"}, {"end": "05:02:58", "start": "05:02:54", "text": "so much he found a way to like put"}, {"end": "05:02:59", "start": "05:02:56", "text": "himself in a state of bliss"}, {"end": "05:03:01", "start": "05:02:58", "text": "And because he was a scientist, he"}, {"end": "05:03:02", "start": "05:02:59", "text": "agreed to go through brain scans and"}, {"end": "05:03:03", "start": "05:03:01", "text": "everything like that. And his brain"}, {"end": "05:03:06", "start": "05:03:02", "text": "waves work totally different than any"}, {"end": "05:03:08", "start": "05:03:03", "text": "normal human being. So, and he's just a"}, {"end": "05:03:10", "start": "05:03:06", "text": "joyful guy, you know, you see him. So,"}, {"end": "05:03:12", "start": "05:03:08", "text": "the world's filled with these people. So"}, {"end": "05:03:14", "start": "05:03:10", "text": "my recommendation to you is just um find"}, {"end": "05:03:15", "start": "05:03:12", "text": "the people that are the extremes of"}, {"end": "05:03:17", "start": "05:03:14", "text": "things whether it be you know"}, {"end": "05:03:20", "start": "05:03:15", "text": "mathematical brilliance or meditation or"}, {"end": "05:03:21", "start": "05:03:17", "text": "these things and just try to say well"}, {"end": "05:03:24", "start": "05:03:20", "text": "why did you spend the time you know"}, {"end": "05:03:28", "start": "05:03:21", "text": "because all these people are products of"}, {"end": "05:03:30", "start": "05:03:24", "text": "a a constant vigilance and down and uh"}, {"end": "05:03:31", "start": "05:03:28", "text": "why did you choose those problems to"}, {"end": "05:03:33", "start": "05:03:30", "text": "solve over any other problem you know"}, {"end": "05:03:36", "start": "05:03:31", "text": "Roger Penrose could have worked on black"}, {"end": "05:03:38", "start": "05:03:33", "text": "holes or you know some other thing"}, {"end": "05:03:39", "start": "05:03:36", "text": "quantum computers but said consciousness"}, {"end": "05:03:41", "start": "05:03:38", "text": "that's not something normally a"}, {"end": "05:03:43", "start": "05:03:39", "text": "physicist spends a lot of time on,"}, {"end": "05:03:44", "start": "05:03:41", "text": "right? But then he chose that for some"}, {"end": "05:03:47", "start": "05:03:43", "text": "reason. But why did you spend the time"}, {"end": "05:03:50", "start": "05:03:44", "text": "for that?"}, {"end": "05:03:52", "start": "05:03:47", "text": "Very interesting. Well, Charles, it was"}, {"end": "05:03:56", "start": "05:03:50", "text": "an honor to host you and uh I hope to"}, {"end": "05:03:58", "start": "05:03:52", "text": "see you again. And um I just want to I"}, {"end": "05:04:03", "start": "05:03:56", "text": "just want to say again that that this"}, {"end": "05:04:05", "start": "05:03:58", "text": "entire 5 hours or whatever it was uh was"}, {"end": "05:04:07", "start": "05:04:03", "text": "never a dull moment. You're just a"}, {"end": "05:04:08", "start": "05:04:05", "text": "fascinating human being and thank you"}, {"end": "05:04:10", "start": "05:04:07", "text": "for everything you're doing and thank"}, {"end": "05:04:14", "start": "05:04:08", "text": "you for being here. Thank you so much."}, {"end": "05:04:14", "start": "05:04:10", "text": "This was a lot of fun. Cheers. Cheers."}, {"end": "05:04:22", "start": "05:04:19", "text": "[Music]"}, {"end": "05:04:27", "start": "05:04:24", "text": "No matter where you're watching Shawn"}, {"end": "05:04:30", "start": "05:04:25", "text": "Ryan Show from, if you get anything out"}, {"end": "05:04:32", "start": "05:04:27", "text": "of this, please like, comment,"}, {"end": "05:04:36", "start": "05:04:30", "text": "subscribe, and most importantly, share"}, {"end": "05:04:38", "start": "05:04:32", "text": "this everywhere you possibly can. And if"}, {"end": "05:04:41", "start": "05:04:36", "text": "you're feeling extra generous, please"}, {"end": "05:04:44", "start": "05:04:38", "text": "leave us a review on Apple and Spotify"}, {"end": "05:04:44", "start": "05:04:41", "text": "podcasts."}]

[{"end": "00:00:05", "start": "00:00:00", "text": "Over the next two years, the life you"}, {"end": "00:00:07", "start": "00:00:02", "text": "know will vanish. No warning, no vote,"}, {"end": "00:00:09", "start": "00:00:05", "text": "just an inferno of artificial"}, {"end": "00:00:12", "start": "00:00:07", "text": "intelligence that will burn away"}, {"end": "00:00:14", "start": "00:00:09", "text": "everything you're used to. Jobs,"}, {"end": "00:00:16", "start": "00:00:12", "text": "relationships, family, religion,"}, {"end": "00:00:19", "start": "00:00:14", "text": "economics, warfare. They will all become"}, {"end": "00:00:22", "start": "00:00:16", "text": "unrecognizable by the time a kid born"}, {"end": "00:00:24", "start": "00:00:19", "text": "today graduates high school. If such a"}, {"end": "00:00:26", "start": "00:00:22", "text": "thing even exists by then. Your job is"}, {"end": "00:00:28", "start": "00:00:24", "text": "to figure out what this change means for"}, {"end": "00:00:30", "start": "00:00:26", "text": "you and how to navigate it well so you"}, {"end": "00:00:32", "start": "00:00:28", "text": "do not get left behind. That's what"}, {"end": "00:00:34", "start": "00:00:30", "text": "we're going to be doing here today. Let"}, {"end": "00:00:37", "start": "00:00:32", "text": "me set the table. This moment in history"}, {"end": "00:00:40", "start": "00:00:34", "text": "is unparalleled. The world's two major"}, {"end": "00:00:41", "start": "00:00:37", "text": "superpowers are locked in a cold war,"}, {"end": "00:00:44", "start": "00:00:40", "text": "both battling for economic,"}, {"end": "00:00:47", "start": "00:00:41", "text": "technological, and military supremacy."}, {"end": "00:00:49", "start": "00:00:44", "text": "And AI sits at the heart of all three."}, {"end": "00:00:50", "start": "00:00:47", "text": "Charlie Mer famously said, \"Show me the"}, {"end": "00:00:52", "start": "00:00:49", "text": "incentives and I'll show you the"}, {"end": "00:00:55", "start": "00:00:50", "text": "outcome.\" When great powers are fighting"}, {"end": "00:00:56", "start": "00:00:52", "text": "for dominance, the only incentive is to"}, {"end": "00:00:58", "start": "00:00:55", "text": "compete and win. What does that mean for"}, {"end": "00:01:00", "start": "00:00:56", "text": "our future? America, the world's"}, {"end": "00:01:02", "start": "00:00:58", "text": "policeman, is in the middle of a debt"}, {"end": "00:01:04", "start": "00:01:00", "text": "crisis. Populism is on the rise."}, {"end": "00:01:06", "start": "00:01:02", "text": "Political tensions are at a fever pitch."}, {"end": "00:01:08", "start": "00:01:04", "text": "Credible voices see civil war on the"}, {"end": "00:01:10", "start": "00:01:06", "text": "horizon. And right in the middle of all"}, {"end": "00:01:12", "start": "00:01:08", "text": "of that is the AI revolution. So, what"}, {"end": "00:01:14", "start": "00:01:10", "text": "happens when an already pivotal moment"}, {"end": "00:01:16", "start": "00:01:12", "text": "in history occurs? Right in the middle"}, {"end": "00:01:19", "start": "00:01:14", "text": "of the most significant period of"}, {"end": "00:01:21", "start": "00:01:16", "text": "technological change the world has ever"}, {"end": "00:01:23", "start": "00:01:19", "text": "seen? That's what we're here to answer."}, {"end": "00:01:25", "start": "00:01:21", "text": "The next two years are going to be"}, {"end": "00:01:28", "start": "00:01:23", "text": "dramatic because history doesn't move"}, {"end": "00:01:30", "start": "00:01:25", "text": "forward smoothly. It lurches forward in"}, {"end": "00:01:33", "start": "00:01:28", "text": "sudden violent spasms of change when"}, {"end": "00:01:35", "start": "00:01:30", "text": "people revolt or science unlocks new"}, {"end": "00:01:37", "start": "00:01:33", "text": "abilities. Think of the printing press,"}, {"end": "00:01:39", "start": "00:01:35", "text": "electricity, the atomic age, the birth"}, {"end": "00:01:41", "start": "00:01:37", "text": "of the internet, and now AI. Now, my"}, {"end": "00:01:43", "start": "00:01:39", "text": "goal today isn't to convince you we"}, {"end": "00:01:44", "start": "00:01:41", "text": "should speed up or slow down. My goal is"}, {"end": "00:01:46", "start": "00:01:43", "text": "to help you understand the direction of"}, {"end": "00:01:49", "start": "00:01:44", "text": "travel and how to prosper through"}, {"end": "00:01:51", "start": "00:01:46", "text": "radical disruption. There's always a"}, {"end": "00:01:54", "start": "00:01:49", "text": "path. however narrow. Now, many, many"}, {"end": "00:01:56", "start": "00:01:51", "text": "people are going to emotionally implode"}, {"end": "00:01:58", "start": "00:01:54", "text": "over the next few years. Others though"}, {"end": "00:02:00", "start": "00:01:56", "text": "are going to win. In our time together"}, {"end": "00:02:02", "start": "00:01:58", "text": "today, I'm going to orient you towards"}, {"end": "00:02:04", "start": "00:02:00", "text": "what's happening and see if we can find"}, {"end": "00:02:07", "start": "00:02:02", "text": "that path, narrow though it may be, to"}, {"end": "00:02:09", "start": "00:02:04", "text": "winning in five easy parts. This time, I"}, {"end": "00:02:11", "start": "00:02:07", "text": "absolutely saved the best for last. So,"}, {"end": "00:02:13", "start": "00:02:09", "text": "make sure you watch to the end where we"}, {"end": "00:02:17", "start": "00:02:11", "text": "talk strategy for how to win in this"}, {"end": "00:02:19", "start": "00:02:13", "text": "insane time. Part one, the future is"}, {"end": "00:02:21", "start": "00:02:17", "text": "going to be faster and vaster than you"}, {"end": "00:02:23", "start": "00:02:19", "text": "think. In just the last year, more"}, {"end": "00:02:26", "start": "00:02:21", "text": "people talk to AI than their doctor,"}, {"end": "00:02:28", "start": "00:02:23", "text": "lawyer, or therapist. Character.ai,"}, {"end": "00:02:31", "start": "00:02:26", "text": "Replica, Chat, GPT, and Snapchat's AI"}, {"end": "00:02:34", "start": "00:02:28", "text": "alone engage with millions of users"}, {"end": "00:02:36", "start": "00:02:31", "text": "daily, far more often, and for longer"}, {"end": "00:02:38", "start": "00:02:34", "text": "than the average person consults with a"}, {"end": "00:02:40", "start": "00:02:36", "text": "professional of any kind for any reason."}, {"end": "00:02:42", "start": "00:02:38", "text": "Project that forward, and you quickly"}, {"end": "00:02:45", "start": "00:02:40", "text": "see how AI becomes the dominant form of"}, {"end": "00:02:46", "start": "00:02:42", "text": "social interaction. Full stop. But"}, {"end": "00:02:49", "start": "00:02:45", "text": "social interaction is just the"}, {"end": "00:02:51", "start": "00:02:46", "text": "beginning. AI is already changing jobs,"}, {"end": "00:02:54", "start": "00:02:49", "text": "medicine, engineering, warfare, and"}, {"end": "00:02:57", "start": "00:02:51", "text": "science. We are the proverbial frogs"}, {"end": "00:02:59", "start": "00:02:54", "text": "being boiled already. Sam Alman, the"}, {"end": "00:03:02", "start": "00:02:57", "text": "founder of Open AI, has predicted that"}, {"end": "00:03:03", "start": "00:02:59", "text": "AI is progressing at a rate of 300%"}, {"end": "00:03:05", "start": "00:03:02", "text": "year-over-year with no signs of"}, {"end": "00:03:08", "start": "00:03:03", "text": "stopping. Do you know how insane that"}, {"end": "00:03:12", "start": "00:03:05", "text": "is? 30% growth year-over-year would"}, {"end": "00:03:15", "start": "00:03:08", "text": "already be exponential. at 300% growth."}, {"end": "00:03:19", "start": "00:03:12", "text": "By the end of year 2, you're not at 600%"}, {"end": "00:03:22", "start": "00:03:15", "text": "growth. You're at 1,600%."}, {"end": "00:03:25", "start": "00:03:19", "text": "That's how compounding works. That's 16"}, {"end": "00:03:29", "start": "00:03:22", "text": "times your starting condition. In 3"}, {"end": "00:03:31", "start": "00:03:25", "text": "years, you're at 64 times your starting"}, {"end": "00:03:33", "start": "00:03:29", "text": "condition. Now, listen, even if Sam is"}, {"end": "00:03:35", "start": "00:03:31", "text": "delusional and it slows down for the"}, {"end": "00:03:38", "start": "00:03:33", "text": "terrifying reason I will explain in part"}, {"end": "00:03:41", "start": "00:03:35", "text": "three, it's never going to stop. AI is"}, {"end": "00:03:43", "start": "00:03:38", "text": "that moment on our timeline where an"}, {"end": "00:03:45", "start": "00:03:41", "text": "entirely new skill tree opens up and"}, {"end": "00:03:47", "start": "00:03:43", "text": "nothing is the same after. I want you to"}, {"end": "00:03:50", "start": "00:03:45", "text": "close your eyes and imagine this. An"}, {"end": "00:03:52", "start": "00:03:47", "text": "82-year-old man jogs a 10K at sunrise."}, {"end": "00:03:54", "start": "00:03:50", "text": "His knees feel perfect. He's"}, {"end": "00:03:57", "start": "00:03:52", "text": "biologically 38 thanks to AI"}, {"end": "00:03:59", "start": "00:03:54", "text": "reprogrammed stem cells. His romantic"}, {"end": "00:04:01", "start": "00:03:57", "text": "partner, an embodied AI entity who's"}, {"end": "00:04:03", "start": "00:03:59", "text": "reignited his love life after his"}, {"end": "00:04:05", "start": "00:04:01", "text": "divorce, helped him overcome trauma,"}, {"end": "00:04:07", "start": "00:04:03", "text": "make financial decisions, and build a"}, {"end": "00:04:08", "start": "00:04:05", "text": "second career on YouTube. Our man"}, {"end": "00:04:10", "start": "00:04:07", "text": "doesn't even notice the hum of"}, {"end": "00:04:12", "start": "00:04:08", "text": "autonomous drones overhead, quietly"}, {"end": "00:04:14", "start": "00:04:10", "text": "scanning for threats. He's thinking"}, {"end": "00:04:16", "start": "00:04:12", "text": "about his biologically customized"}, {"end": "00:04:19", "start": "00:04:14", "text": "grandson. He came out of the artificial"}, {"end": "00:04:21", "start": "00:04:16", "text": "womb exactly as expected, adorable,"}, {"end": "00:04:24", "start": "00:04:19", "text": "cancer resistant, and on track to be"}, {"end": "00:04:26", "start": "00:04:21", "text": "6'4, and with an IQ pushed to the legal"}, {"end": "00:04:28", "start": "00:04:24", "text": "limit. On his third birthday, they even"}, {"end": "00:04:29", "start": "00:04:26", "text": "upgraded him with a neural chip that"}, {"end": "00:04:31", "start": "00:04:28", "text": "lets him read and transmit thoughts"}, {"end": "00:04:34", "start": "00:04:29", "text": "telepathically to other augmented"}, {"end": "00:04:35", "start": "00:04:31", "text": "humans. His parents are contemplating"}, {"end": "00:04:38", "start": "00:04:34", "text": "the software update that would let him"}, {"end": "00:04:40", "start": "00:04:35", "text": "translate the family dog's barking. As"}, {"end": "00:04:41", "start": "00:04:38", "text": "future grandpa steps into his house, he"}, {"end": "00:04:43", "start": "00:04:40", "text": "feels his neural link chip reconnect to"}, {"end": "00:04:45", "start": "00:04:41", "text": "the quantum encrypted network his AI"}, {"end": "00:04:47", "start": "00:04:43", "text": "wife set up. The data from his run is"}, {"end": "00:04:49", "start": "00:04:45", "text": "uploaded and analyzed. I could go on and"}, {"end": "00:04:52", "start": "00:04:47", "text": "on, but hopefully you get the point. The"}, {"end": "00:04:54", "start": "00:04:49", "text": "future is going to be very different,"}, {"end": "00:04:57", "start": "00:04:52", "text": "and odds are it's going to arrive very"}, {"end": "00:04:59", "start": "00:04:54", "text": "fast. All made possible by artificial"}, {"end": "00:05:01", "start": "00:04:57", "text": "intelligence. AI entrepreneur and"}, {"end": "00:05:03", "start": "00:04:59", "text": "futurist Kyu Lee went so far as to say"}, {"end": "00:05:06", "start": "00:05:01", "text": "AI will change the world more than"}, {"end": "00:05:09", "start": "00:05:03", "text": "anything in the history of mankind. How"}, {"end": "00:05:12", "start": "00:05:06", "text": "could it not? AI has already done a list"}, {"end": "00:05:14", "start": "00:05:09", "text": "of things so radical. One of them, one"}, {"end": "00:05:16", "start": "00:05:12", "text": "of them should leave you with your jaw"}, {"end": "00:05:19", "start": "00:05:14", "text": "on the floor. Forget chatbots. Here is"}, {"end": "00:05:22", "start": "00:05:16", "text": "but a tiny fraction of the things AI has"}, {"end": "00:05:24", "start": "00:05:19", "text": "already done. Solve the proteinfolding"}, {"end": "00:05:27", "start": "00:05:22", "text": "grand challenge, a feat humans have"}, {"end": "00:05:29", "start": "00:05:24", "text": "failed to do for more than 50 years."}, {"end": "00:05:31", "start": "00:05:27", "text": "create new gene editing tools, prove new"}, {"end": "00:05:34", "start": "00:05:29", "text": "mathematical theorems, improve medical"}, {"end": "00:05:36", "start": "00:05:31", "text": "diagnostics and drug discovery, detected"}, {"end": "00:05:39", "start": "00:05:34", "text": "tumors up to four years before they"}, {"end": "00:05:41", "start": "00:05:36", "text": "fully develop, gotten over 950 AI"}, {"end": "00:05:43", "start": "00:05:39", "text": "powered medical devices and algorithms"}, {"end": "00:05:46", "start": "00:05:41", "text": "authorized by the FDA, improved"}, {"end": "00:05:48", "start": "00:05:43", "text": "foundational coding languages like C++,"}, {"end": "00:05:51", "start": "00:05:46", "text": "made Hollywood quality film making and"}, {"end": "00:05:53", "start": "00:05:48", "text": "music available to the average person,"}, {"end": "00:05:55", "start": "00:05:51", "text": "deployed millions of industrial robots"}, {"end": "00:05:57", "start": "00:05:53", "text": "and factories worldwide, and so much"}, {"end": "00:06:00", "start": "00:05:55", "text": "more. And that's what's happened right"}, {"end": "00:06:01", "start": "00:05:57", "text": "now. As AI clusters get bigger and more"}, {"end": "00:06:04", "start": "00:06:00", "text": "efficient, as we ramp up energy"}, {"end": "00:06:06", "start": "00:06:01", "text": "production, as AI makes new things"}, {"end": "00:06:08", "start": "00:06:04", "text": "possible, how far is it going to go? The"}, {"end": "00:06:09", "start": "00:06:06", "text": "biggest challenge in human history isn't"}, {"end": "00:06:11", "start": "00:06:08", "text": "something that will happen in the"}, {"end": "00:06:14", "start": "00:06:09", "text": "future. It's what's already happening"}, {"end": "00:06:16", "start": "00:06:11", "text": "right now. And as I was writing this, LA"}, {"end": "00:06:18", "start": "00:06:14", "text": "was literally on fire. It was in the"}, {"end": "00:06:19", "start": "00:06:16", "text": "middle of the riots. They didn't have"}, {"end": "00:06:21", "start": "00:06:18", "text": "anything to do with AI, but they had"}, {"end": "00:06:23", "start": "00:06:19", "text": "everything to do with people feeling"}, {"end": "00:06:25", "start": "00:06:21", "text": "left behind. People do not riot when"}, {"end": "00:06:27", "start": "00:06:23", "text": "they feel calm and confident about the"}, {"end": "00:06:29", "start": "00:06:25", "text": "future. They riot because they're mad,"}, {"end": "00:06:31", "start": "00:06:27", "text": "confused, scared, or all of the above."}, {"end": "00:06:33", "start": "00:06:29", "text": "And typically that happens because of"}, {"end": "00:06:35", "start": "00:06:31", "text": "economics. And if I'm right about that,"}, {"end": "00:06:37", "start": "00:06:33", "text": "what happens when AI kills old jobs and"}, {"end": "00:06:39", "start": "00:06:35", "text": "creates new jobs they're not even"}, {"end": "00:06:41", "start": "00:06:37", "text": "qualified for? But we'll be fine, right?"}, {"end": "00:06:44", "start": "00:06:39", "text": "I mean, history shows. Well, what does"}, {"end": "00:06:46", "start": "00:06:41", "text": "history show? Does it say we'll be fine?"}, {"end": "00:06:49", "start": "00:06:44", "text": "It depends, I guess, on how you feel"}, {"end": "00:06:52", "start": "00:06:46", "text": "about 30 years of war. And that looming"}, {"end": "00:06:55", "start": "00:06:49", "text": "question brings us to part two. History"}, {"end": "00:06:57", "start": "00:06:52", "text": "shows change makes people deadly. In the"}, {"end": "00:06:59", "start": "00:06:55", "text": "16th century, a new media technology"}, {"end": "00:07:02", "start": "00:06:57", "text": "triggered the deadliest war in European"}, {"end": "00:07:05", "start": "00:06:59", "text": "history, a record that held until the"}, {"end": "00:07:07", "start": "00:07:02", "text": "20th century. It killed 8 million"}, {"end": "00:07:08", "start": "00:07:05", "text": "people, one in five Germans, and left"}, {"end": "00:07:11", "start": "00:07:07", "text": "entire regions of Central Europe"}, {"end": "00:07:13", "start": "00:07:08", "text": "depopulated. The tech, it wasn't machine"}, {"end": "00:07:15", "start": "00:07:11", "text": "guns or cluster bombs. It was the"}, {"end": "00:07:16", "start": "00:07:13", "text": "printing press. Before the printing"}, {"end": "00:07:18", "start": "00:07:15", "text": "press, knowledge was only for the"}, {"end": "00:07:21", "start": "00:07:16", "text": "elites. A single book could cost as much"}, {"end": "00:07:23", "start": "00:07:18", "text": "as a house. But after it, books were"}, {"end": "00:07:25", "start": "00:07:21", "text": "cheaper than a teacher's monthly salary."}, {"end": "00:07:27", "start": "00:07:23", "text": "This caused literacy to surge, but it"}, {"end": "00:07:29", "start": "00:07:25", "text": "also triggered mass chaos via the"}, {"end": "00:07:32", "start": "00:07:27", "text": "Protestant Reformation. Martin Luther"}, {"end": "00:07:34", "start": "00:07:29", "text": "wrote his 95 thesis in 1517, and that"}, {"end": "00:07:36", "start": "00:07:32", "text": "led to the explosion of Protestant"}, {"end": "00:07:39", "start": "00:07:34", "text": "ideas, which then fractured the"}, {"end": "00:07:41", "start": "00:07:36", "text": "religious unity of Europe. Over the next"}, {"end": "00:07:43", "start": "00:07:39", "text": "century, Europe splintered into Catholic"}, {"end": "00:07:46", "start": "00:07:41", "text": "and various Protestant factions,"}, {"end": "00:07:49", "start": "00:07:43", "text": "sparking waves of devastating conflict."}, {"end": "00:07:52", "start": "00:07:46", "text": "ultimately culminating in the bloodbath"}, {"end": "00:07:54", "start": "00:07:49", "text": "that was the 30 years war. All of that"}, {"end": "00:07:57", "start": "00:07:52", "text": "was a consequence of making publishing"}, {"end": "00:07:59", "start": "00:07:54", "text": "cheaper. Can you imagine? The printing"}, {"end": "00:08:01", "start": "00:07:57", "text": "press simply made it cheaper to publish."}, {"end": "00:08:03", "start": "00:07:59", "text": "But the second order consequence was"}, {"end": "00:08:04", "start": "00:08:01", "text": "that ideas could suddenly spread faster"}, {"end": "00:08:06", "start": "00:08:03", "text": "than tyrants could suppress them. That's"}, {"end": "00:08:09", "start": "00:08:04", "text": "a good thing. But it's not an only up"}, {"end": "00:08:12", "start": "00:08:06", "text": "phenomenon. It also divided people along"}, {"end": "00:08:14", "start": "00:08:09", "text": "ideological lines. The same tool that"}, {"end": "00:08:16", "start": "00:08:12", "text": "empowered liberty also allowed for the"}, {"end": "00:08:18", "start": "00:08:14", "text": "spread of propaganda and served to push"}, {"end": "00:08:21", "start": "00:08:16", "text": "people into camps. Camps people were"}, {"end": "00:08:23", "start": "00:08:18", "text": "willing to fight and die for. Sound"}, {"end": "00:08:26", "start": "00:08:21", "text": "familiar? Sure. Europe eventually"}, {"end": "00:08:28", "start": "00:08:23", "text": "settled down. But that is cold comfort"}, {"end": "00:08:29", "start": "00:08:26", "text": "to all of the people who died. And it"}, {"end": "00:08:31", "start": "00:08:28", "text": "certainly wasn't that long ago that"}, {"end": "00:08:32", "start": "00:08:29", "text": "Catholics and Protestants were still"}, {"end": "00:08:35", "start": "00:08:31", "text": "killing each other in Ireland. And"}, {"end": "00:08:38", "start": "00:08:32", "text": "history is full of insane stories just"}, {"end": "00:08:40", "start": "00:08:35", "text": "like that. Take gunpowder. Overnight,"}, {"end": "00:08:43", "start": "00:08:38", "text": "combat stopped being about muscle and"}, {"end": "00:08:45", "start": "00:08:40", "text": "started to be about money. A random guy"}, {"end": "00:08:48", "start": "00:08:43", "text": "with a musket could drop an armored"}, {"end": "00:08:49", "start": "00:08:45", "text": "knight at distance. It was a watershed"}, {"end": "00:08:52", "start": "00:08:48", "text": "moment in the history of warfare. But it"}, {"end": "00:08:54", "start": "00:08:49", "text": "also greatly accelerated the rise of"}, {"end": "00:08:56", "start": "00:08:52", "text": "centralized nation states. Prior to"}, {"end": "00:08:58", "start": "00:08:54", "text": "gunpowder, medieval Europe had been run"}, {"end": "00:09:00", "start": "00:08:56", "text": "by decentralized powers, local nobles"}, {"end": "00:09:02", "start": "00:08:58", "text": "and fortified castles. They could defy"}, {"end": "00:09:05", "start": "00:09:00", "text": "kings. Gunpowder, though changed that"}, {"end": "00:09:07", "start": "00:09:02", "text": "equation real quick. Large professional"}, {"end": "00:09:09", "start": "00:09:05", "text": "armies equipped with firearms emerged"}, {"end": "00:09:12", "start": "00:09:07", "text": "which required bureaucratic organization"}, {"end": "00:09:14", "start": "00:09:09", "text": "and heavy taxation to maintain thus"}, {"end": "00:09:16", "start": "00:09:12", "text": "strengthening state institutions."}, {"end": "00:09:18", "start": "00:09:14", "text": "Scholars speak of the 16th century"}, {"end": "00:09:21", "start": "00:09:16", "text": "military revolution as giving birth to"}, {"end": "00:09:23", "start": "00:09:18", "text": "the early modern fiscal military state."}, {"end": "00:09:25", "start": "00:09:21", "text": "This disrupted economic priorities and"}, {"end": "00:09:26", "start": "00:09:23", "text": "created huge opportunities for those"}, {"end": "00:09:28", "start": "00:09:25", "text": "paying attention to the changing"}, {"end": "00:09:30", "start": "00:09:26", "text": "landscape, but only for those paying"}, {"end": "00:09:31", "start": "00:09:28", "text": "attention. And if you think gunpowder"}, {"end": "00:09:34", "start": "00:09:30", "text": "was big, look at the industrial"}, {"end": "00:09:36", "start": "00:09:31", "text": "revolution. considered by many to be the"}, {"end": "00:09:39", "start": "00:09:34", "text": "most profound transformation of human"}, {"end": "00:09:42", "start": "00:09:36", "text": "life since the agricultural revolution."}, {"end": "00:09:44", "start": "00:09:39", "text": "GDP per capita had been mostly flat for"}, {"end": "00:09:47", "start": "00:09:42", "text": "centuries. Then bam, with"}, {"end": "00:09:50", "start": "00:09:44", "text": "industrialization, we entered an era of"}, {"end": "00:09:52", "start": "00:09:47", "text": "truly exponential growth. Likewise,"}, {"end": "00:09:54", "start": "00:09:50", "text": "electricity sparked the second"}, {"end": "00:09:56", "start": "00:09:52", "text": "industrial revolution, utterly"}, {"end": "00:09:58", "start": "00:09:54", "text": "transforming the global economy. The"}, {"end": "00:10:01", "start": "00:09:56", "text": "cost of goods dropped and mass"}, {"end": "00:10:03", "start": "00:09:58", "text": "production soared to new heights. From"}, {"end": "00:10:06", "start": "00:10:01", "text": "automobiles to canned foods, electric"}, {"end": "00:10:08", "start": "00:10:03", "text": "powered factories churned out products"}, {"end": "00:10:10", "start": "00:10:06", "text": "for a growing consumer society."}, {"end": "00:10:13", "start": "00:10:08", "text": "Electrification also created entirely"}, {"end": "00:10:16", "start": "00:10:10", "text": "new industries. And by 1920, electricity"}, {"end": "00:10:18", "start": "00:10:13", "text": "and related industries made up a huge"}, {"end": "00:10:20", "start": "00:10:16", "text": "share of GDP in advanced countries. jobs"}, {"end": "00:10:24", "start": "00:10:18", "text": "changes as well, pushing people from old"}, {"end": "00:10:27", "start": "00:10:20", "text": "jobs like lamp lighters, candle makers,"}, {"end": "00:10:29", "start": "00:10:24", "text": "and horse cart teamsters to newer jobs"}, {"end": "00:10:31", "start": "00:10:27", "text": "like electrical engineers, electricians,"}, {"end": "00:10:33", "start": "00:10:29", "text": "and skilled workers to build and"}, {"end": "00:10:36", "start": "00:10:31", "text": "maintain the grid. Now, I might as well"}, {"end": "00:10:38", "start": "00:10:33", "text": "be describing AI itself, but AI will be"}, {"end": "00:10:41", "start": "00:10:36", "text": "far more revolutionary than anything"}, {"end": "00:10:44", "start": "00:10:38", "text": "we've seen previously. It's not an"}, {"end": "00:10:46", "start": "00:10:41", "text": "explosion of words or even the violent"}, {"end": "00:10:49", "start": "00:10:44", "text": "explosion of gunpowder. It is the"}, {"end": "00:10:51", "start": "00:10:46", "text": "explosion of intelligence. The very"}, {"end": "00:10:53", "start": "00:10:49", "text": "thing that gives birth to the"}, {"end": "00:10:55", "start": "00:10:51", "text": "revolutions that lurch us all forward."}, {"end": "00:10:56", "start": "00:10:53", "text": "So the real question becomes, is this"}, {"end": "00:10:59", "start": "00:10:55", "text": "something we should be excited about?"}, {"end": "00:11:01", "start": "00:10:56", "text": "Are these technological advances really"}, {"end": "00:11:05", "start": "00:10:59", "text": "worth the risk of that kind of"}, {"end": "00:11:08", "start": "00:11:01", "text": "disruption? In my opinion, yes. But"}, {"end": "00:11:10", "start": "00:11:05", "text": "honestly, it doesn't matter. There's no"}, {"end": "00:11:12", "start": "00:11:08", "text": "stopping this train. So if your impulse"}, {"end": "00:11:13", "start": "00:11:10", "text": "at this point is to pump the brakes, I'm"}, {"end": "00:11:16", "start": "00:11:12", "text": "guessing you've never heard of"}, {"end": "00:11:18", "start": "00:11:13", "text": "Thusidity's trap. It's shocking and"}, {"end": "00:11:19", "start": "00:11:16", "text": "entirely predictable given what I know"}, {"end": "00:11:22", "start": "00:11:18", "text": "about humans. And if you've heard of"}, {"end": "00:11:24", "start": "00:11:19", "text": "Thusidity's trap, then you know exactly"}, {"end": "00:11:28", "start": "00:11:22", "text": "where we're headed. Welcome to part"}, {"end": "00:11:30", "start": "00:11:24", "text": "three. Superpower showdown aka AI is"}, {"end": "00:11:33", "start": "00:11:28", "text": "really an arms race. 12 times in"}, {"end": "00:11:35", "start": "00:11:30", "text": "history, 12 times in history, when a"}, {"end": "00:11:38", "start": "00:11:33", "text": "rising power threatened a ruling one,"}, {"end": "00:11:40", "start": "00:11:35", "text": "the result was war. Only four times was"}, {"end": "00:11:42", "start": "00:11:38", "text": "war averted. This is known as"}, {"end": "00:11:44", "start": "00:11:40", "text": "Thusidities trap. The ancient Greek"}, {"end": "00:11:46", "start": "00:11:42", "text": "historian Thusidities first recognized"}, {"end": "00:11:48", "start": "00:11:44", "text": "this pattern when reflecting on the fall"}, {"end": "00:11:50", "start": "00:11:46", "text": "of Sparta and the rise of Athens. Sparta"}, {"end": "00:11:52", "start": "00:11:48", "text": "could not accept their decline and"}, {"end": "00:11:55", "start": "00:11:50", "text": "Athens refused to tolerate being in"}, {"end": "00:11:57", "start": "00:11:52", "text": "second place. This pattern of rise and"}, {"end": "00:11:59", "start": "00:11:55", "text": "fall works like a tractor beam pulling"}, {"end": "00:12:01", "start": "00:11:57", "text": "superpowers into conflict. And right now"}, {"end": "00:12:04", "start": "00:11:59", "text": "the rising power is China and the"}, {"end": "00:12:06", "start": "00:12:01", "text": "declining power the United States. While"}, {"end": "00:12:08", "start": "00:12:04", "text": "the future is never perfectly knowable,"}, {"end": "00:12:11", "start": "00:12:06", "text": "historical patterns certainly make some"}, {"end": "00:12:13", "start": "00:12:08", "text": "things more obvious. AI is going to be"}, {"end": "00:12:16", "start": "00:12:11", "text": "at the heart of whether this becomes the"}, {"end": "00:12:17", "start": "00:12:13", "text": "13th war or the fifth time in history it"}, {"end": "00:12:19", "start": "00:12:16", "text": "was avoided. That's why I don't think of"}, {"end": "00:12:22", "start": "00:12:17", "text": "this moment as a tech race. I think of"}, {"end": "00:12:24", "start": "00:12:19", "text": "it as an AI cold war. It's not about"}, {"end": "00:12:26", "start": "00:12:22", "text": "gadgets or apps. It's about national"}, {"end": "00:12:28", "start": "00:12:24", "text": "survival. And when seen through that"}, {"end": "00:12:30", "start": "00:12:26", "text": "lens, you're going to be able to predict"}, {"end": "00:12:32", "start": "00:12:28", "text": "a lot more of what's about to come."}, {"end": "00:12:35", "start": "00:12:30", "text": "Because when countries are overburdened"}, {"end": "00:12:37", "start": "00:12:32", "text": "by debt and a sense of global threat to"}, {"end": "00:12:39", "start": "00:12:35", "text": "their hedgeimonyy as the US feels right"}, {"end": "00:12:42", "start": "00:12:37", "text": "now, populism kicks in and it becomes"}, {"end": "00:12:47", "start": "00:12:39", "text": "existential to maintain your advantage."}, {"end": "00:12:50", "start": "00:12:42", "text": "The US is $36 trillion in debt and"}, {"end": "00:12:53", "start": "00:12:47", "text": "climbing fast. There are literal riots"}, {"end": "00:12:56", "start": "00:12:50", "text": "in the streets right now and we're going"}, {"end": "00:12:58", "start": "00:12:53", "text": "up against a disciplined and hungry"}, {"end": "00:13:01", "start": "00:12:56", "text": "China. As Alex Karp, the controversial"}, {"end": "00:13:05", "start": "00:12:58", "text": "CEO of Palunteer has noted, either we"}, {"end": "00:13:07", "start": "00:13:01", "text": "win or China will win. And that's going"}, {"end": "00:13:09", "start": "00:13:05", "text": "to matter not just to the US, but the"}, {"end": "00:13:11", "start": "00:13:07", "text": "world at large. There's another"}, {"end": "00:13:12", "start": "00:13:09", "text": "psychological principle that you've got"}, {"end": "00:13:15", "start": "00:13:11", "text": "to understand. If you want to identify"}, {"end": "00:13:17", "start": "00:13:12", "text": "how the US China conflict is going to"}, {"end": "00:13:18", "start": "00:13:15", "text": "impact the development of AI, you have"}, {"end": "00:13:20", "start": "00:13:17", "text": "to look at it through the lens of game"}, {"end": "00:13:23", "start": "00:13:18", "text": "theory and something called the"}, {"end": "00:13:25", "start": "00:13:20", "text": "prisoners dilemma. That snaps this"}, {"end": "00:13:27", "start": "00:13:23", "text": "moment into focus real fast. If you"}, {"end": "00:13:30", "start": "00:13:25", "text": "don't know it, the prisoner's dilemma is"}, {"end": "00:13:32", "start": "00:13:27", "text": "a scenario where two individuals face a"}, {"end": "00:13:35", "start": "00:13:30", "text": "choice. Cooperate or betray each other."}, {"end": "00:13:37", "start": "00:13:32", "text": "If both cooperate, they get a moderate"}, {"end": "00:13:41", "start": "00:13:35", "text": "benefit. If one betrays while the other"}, {"end": "00:13:45", "start": "00:13:37", "text": "cooperates, the betrayer gains more and"}, {"end": "00:13:48", "start": "00:13:41", "text": "the cooperator loses badly. But if they"}, {"end": "00:13:50", "start": "00:13:45", "text": "both betray, they both lose, just not as"}, {"end": "00:13:53", "start": "00:13:48", "text": "much. The paradox is that even though"}, {"end": "00:13:55", "start": "00:13:50", "text": "mutual cooperation is best, rational"}, {"end": "00:13:58", "start": "00:13:53", "text": "self-interest often leads both sides to"}, {"end": "00:14:00", "start": "00:13:55", "text": "defect. Here's how it looks when you"}, {"end": "00:14:03", "start": "00:13:58", "text": "apply it to the US versus China as it"}, {"end": "00:14:05", "start": "00:14:00", "text": "relates to AI. Cooperation would be a"}, {"end": "00:14:07", "start": "00:14:03", "text": "global agreement is struck to slow or"}, {"end": "00:14:10", "start": "00:14:05", "text": "pause AI development. Defection would"}, {"end": "00:14:12", "start": "00:14:07", "text": "mean secretly or openly continuing"}, {"end": "00:14:14", "start": "00:14:10", "text": "aggressive development for strategic"}, {"end": "00:14:16", "start": "00:14:12", "text": "gain despite the global agreement. If"}, {"end": "00:14:19", "start": "00:14:14", "text": "China defects while the US cooperates,"}, {"end": "00:14:21", "start": "00:14:16", "text": "China gains technological, economic, and"}, {"end": "00:14:23", "start": "00:14:19", "text": "military supremacy. If the US defects"}, {"end": "00:14:25", "start": "00:14:21", "text": "while China cooperates, the reverse"}, {"end": "00:14:28", "start": "00:14:23", "text": "occurs. But if both defect, which is the"}, {"end": "00:14:31", "start": "00:14:25", "text": "default outcome, without binding trust,"}, {"end": "00:14:34", "start": "00:14:28", "text": "they both sprint into a highstakes arms"}, {"end": "00:14:37", "start": "00:14:31", "text": "race, regardless of all the massive"}, {"end": "00:14:39", "start": "00:14:34", "text": "risks that that entails. Given that"}, {"end": "00:14:43", "start": "00:14:37", "text": "reality, here's why the US must assume"}, {"end": "00:14:45", "start": "00:14:39", "text": "China will defect in real life. One,"}, {"end": "00:14:47", "start": "00:14:43", "text": "there are no enforceable mechanisms to"}, {"end": "00:14:50", "start": "00:14:45", "text": "verify global compliance on AI"}, {"end": "00:14:52", "start": "00:14:47", "text": "development. Two, China has publicly"}, {"end": "00:14:56", "start": "00:14:50", "text": "declared its goal to lead the world in"}, {"end": "00:14:58", "start": "00:14:52", "text": "AI by 2030. The race is literally on."}, {"end": "00:15:00", "start": "00:14:56", "text": "Three, in previous tech races, nuclear,"}, {"end": "00:15:03", "start": "00:14:58", "text": "space, quantum, cooperation has been"}, {"end": "00:15:05", "start": "00:15:00", "text": "rare. Containment and escalation have"}, {"end": "00:15:07", "start": "00:15:03", "text": "proven to be the norm. Four, the cost of"}, {"end": "00:15:11", "start": "00:15:05", "text": "being wrong, of pausing while your rival"}, {"end": "00:15:13", "start": "00:15:07", "text": "accelerates, is truly existential in a"}, {"end": "00:15:16", "start": "00:15:11", "text": "world where AI will determine strategic"}, {"end": "00:15:19", "start": "00:15:13", "text": "advantage. Therefore, rational actors"}, {"end": "00:15:20", "start": "00:15:16", "text": "applying game theory would act exactly"}, {"end": "00:15:23", "start": "00:15:19", "text": "as the US and China are acting right"}, {"end": "00:15:26", "start": "00:15:20", "text": "now. Assume affection, build fast, and"}, {"end": "00:15:28", "start": "00:15:23", "text": "prioritize strategic advantage even if"}, {"end": "00:15:30", "start": "00:15:26", "text": "that accelerates other risks. That's why"}, {"end": "00:15:32", "start": "00:15:28", "text": "in 2017, China launched its national AI"}, {"end": "00:15:35", "start": "00:15:30", "text": "strategy with a single bold objective,"}, {"end": "00:15:36", "start": "00:15:32", "text": "global leadership in AI by 2030. That's"}, {"end": "00:15:38", "start": "00:15:35", "text": "4 and a half years from now. Some"}, {"end": "00:15:40", "start": "00:15:36", "text": "reports claim that they're backing it"}, {"end": "00:15:42", "start": "00:15:38", "text": "with brute force developing hundreds of"}, {"end": "00:15:44", "start": "00:15:40", "text": "AI mega data centers that are already"}, {"end": "00:15:46", "start": "00:15:42", "text": "built or under construction. Many are"}, {"end": "00:15:49", "start": "00:15:44", "text": "apparently colllocated with vast solar,"}, {"end": "00:15:51", "start": "00:15:46", "text": "wind, and hydroelect electric projects."}, {"end": "00:15:52", "start": "00:15:49", "text": "In provinces like Gangu and King Hai,"}, {"end": "00:15:54", "start": "00:15:51", "text": "data centers are being hardwired"}, {"end": "00:15:56", "start": "00:15:52", "text": "directly into renewable grids to ensure"}, {"end": "00:15:59", "start": "00:15:54", "text": "that their AI programs have all the"}, {"end": "00:16:01", "start": "00:15:56", "text": "energy they need. The US, by contrast,"}, {"end": "00:16:03", "start": "00:15:59", "text": "is winning on compute. Our semiconductor"}, {"end": "00:16:05", "start": "00:16:01", "text": "design still leads the world. We control"}, {"end": "00:16:07", "start": "00:16:03", "text": "critical choke points. Nvidia chips,"}, {"end": "00:16:09", "start": "00:16:05", "text": "Dutch lithography machines, Taiwanese"}, {"end": "00:16:10", "start": "00:16:07", "text": "fabs. Trump's administration even"}, {"end": "00:16:12", "start": "00:16:09", "text": "launched a hundred billion dollar"}, {"end": "00:16:14", "start": "00:16:10", "text": "initiative to build domestic AI"}, {"end": "00:16:17", "start": "00:16:12", "text": "supercomputing centers. Biden also kept"}, {"end": "00:16:19", "start": "00:16:14", "text": "the pressure up. Export controls slam"}, {"end": "00:16:21", "start": "00:16:17", "text": "China's access to advanced chips. The"}, {"end": "00:16:24", "start": "00:16:19", "text": "goal being to maintain a compute lead"}, {"end": "00:16:26", "start": "00:16:21", "text": "and delay China's. But here's the"}, {"end": "00:16:28", "start": "00:16:24", "text": "problem. China is catching up fast."}, {"end": "00:16:30", "start": "00:16:26", "text": "Their models like DeepSeek R1 are now"}, {"end": "00:16:33", "start": "00:16:28", "text": "within striking distance of OpenAI's"}, {"end": "00:16:34", "start": "00:16:30", "text": "most advanced versions. There's some"}, {"end": "00:16:36", "start": "00:16:33", "text": "controversy around how they did it, but"}, {"end": "00:16:38", "start": "00:16:34", "text": "nonetheless, they are gaining fast."}, {"end": "00:16:40", "start": "00:16:36", "text": "David Saxs, now acting as the informal"}, {"end": "00:16:43", "start": "00:16:38", "text": "AIAR under Trump, warned in a Fox"}, {"end": "00:16:46", "start": "00:16:40", "text": "interview that America may have a 3 to"}, {"end": "00:16:47", "start": "00:16:43", "text": "sixmonth lead at best. That lead could"}, {"end": "00:16:49", "start": "00:16:46", "text": "vanish overnight. And here's the real"}, {"end": "00:16:51", "start": "00:16:47", "text": "problem. We might dominate in chip"}, {"end": "00:16:54", "start": "00:16:49", "text": "design, but China has more energy."}, {"end": "00:16:56", "start": "00:16:51", "text": "They've built 27 nuclear reactors in the"}, {"end": "00:17:00", "start": "00:16:54", "text": "past decade with 23 more under"}, {"end": "00:17:03", "start": "00:16:56", "text": "construction. The US just two. And AI is"}, {"end": "00:17:05", "start": "00:17:00", "text": "an energy monster. The International"}, {"end": "00:17:07", "start": "00:17:03", "text": "Energy Agency projects data centers will"}, {"end": "00:17:10", "start": "00:17:05", "text": "use more power than the entire nation of"}, {"end": "00:17:13", "start": "00:17:07", "text": "Japan by 2030. The entire nation of"}, {"end": "00:17:15", "start": "00:17:10", "text": "Japan. If AI is a weapon, and it most"}, {"end": "00:17:17", "start": "00:17:13", "text": "certainly is, and you don't have the"}, {"end": "00:17:19", "start": "00:17:15", "text": "power to run your models, you don't have"}, {"end": "00:17:20", "start": "00:17:17", "text": "the power to defend your country. That's"}, {"end": "00:17:22", "start": "00:17:19", "text": "not hyperbole. The armies of the future"}, {"end": "00:17:24", "start": "00:17:20", "text": "will be made largely of AI powered"}, {"end": "00:17:26", "start": "00:17:22", "text": "robots and drones. We can see it already"}, {"end": "00:17:28", "start": "00:17:24", "text": "in the Russia Ukraine conflict. Soldiers"}, {"end": "00:17:29", "start": "00:17:26", "text": "are being chased down by drones. And"}, {"end": "00:17:31", "start": "00:17:28", "text": "Operation Spiderweb, which allowed"}, {"end": "00:17:33", "start": "00:17:29", "text": "Ukraine to strike deep into the heart of"}, {"end": "00:17:35", "start": "00:17:31", "text": "Russia without the need for local"}, {"end": "00:17:38", "start": "00:17:33", "text": "soldiers, was only possible because of"}, {"end": "00:17:40", "start": "00:17:35", "text": "AI. Autonomous drones are rapidly"}, {"end": "00:17:42", "start": "00:17:38", "text": "becoming the standard, and it's only"}, {"end": "00:17:44", "start": "00:17:40", "text": "going to get more so from here. That's"}, {"end": "00:17:46", "start": "00:17:42", "text": "why any talk of an AI pause is pure"}, {"end": "00:17:49", "start": "00:17:44", "text": "fantasy at this point. Echoing Karp's"}, {"end": "00:17:51", "start": "00:17:46", "text": "statement, one US AI policy adviser"}, {"end": "00:17:53", "start": "00:17:49", "text": "said, \"Any pause could let China surge"}, {"end": "00:17:55", "start": "00:17:51", "text": "ahead.\" Both Thusidities's trap and game"}, {"end": "00:17:57", "start": "00:17:53", "text": "theory make it clear the US is not going"}, {"end": "00:17:59", "start": "00:17:55", "text": "to let that happen. Certainly not"}, {"end": "00:18:02", "start": "00:17:57", "text": "without a fight. When the stakes are"}, {"end": "00:18:04", "start": "00:17:59", "text": "global hedgeimony, no one takes their"}, {"end": "00:18:07", "start": "00:18:02", "text": "foot off the gas. AI is the new great"}, {"end": "00:18:10", "start": "00:18:04", "text": "game. the 21st century space race. But"}, {"end": "00:18:12", "start": "00:18:07", "text": "instead of rockets, it's language models"}, {"end": "00:18:15", "start": "00:18:10", "text": "and metallic dogs with machine guns."}, {"end": "00:18:17", "start": "00:18:12", "text": "Regulation isn't coming. Restraint is"}, {"end": "00:18:19", "start": "00:18:15", "text": "not viable. This is the age of"}, {"end": "00:18:22", "start": "00:18:17", "text": "escalation because every player knows"}, {"end": "00:18:24", "start": "00:18:19", "text": "whoever hesitates loses. But who cares,"}, {"end": "00:18:26", "start": "00:18:22", "text": "right? That's nation state stuff. That"}, {"end": "00:18:28", "start": "00:18:24", "text": "doesn't affect your daily life."}, {"end": "00:18:29", "start": "00:18:26", "text": "Unfortunately, that's just not true. I"}, {"end": "00:18:32", "start": "00:18:28", "text": "went through all of that so you would"}, {"end": "00:18:34", "start": "00:18:29", "text": "not waste your time praying that someone"}, {"end": "00:18:36", "start": "00:18:32", "text": "somehow slows this train down. This"}, {"end": "00:18:38", "start": "00:18:34", "text": "train is only speeding up. It is full"}, {"end": "00:18:40", "start": "00:18:36", "text": "steam ahead for AI. And if you think"}, {"end": "00:18:44", "start": "00:18:38", "text": "that's not going to affect you, welcome"}, {"end": "00:18:47", "start": "00:18:40", "text": "to part four. AI is a tsunami that will"}, {"end": "00:18:51", "start": "00:18:44", "text": "consume everything and usher in a"}, {"end": "00:18:54", "start": "00:18:47", "text": "devastating utopia. Yes, utopia. In"}, {"end": "00:18:56", "start": "00:18:51", "text": "2004, the Indian Ocean tsunami swallowed"}, {"end": "00:18:57", "start": "00:18:54", "text": "everything in its wake. I routinely"}, {"end": "00:19:00", "start": "00:18:56", "text": "think of that guy on the beach who"}, {"end": "00:19:03", "start": "00:18:57", "text": "simply stood there as the angry wall of"}, {"end": "00:19:05", "start": "00:19:00", "text": "water devoured him. AI is that tsunami."}, {"end": "00:19:07", "start": "00:19:03", "text": "The question is, what does the world"}, {"end": "00:19:11", "start": "00:19:05", "text": "look like when the water never recedes?"}, {"end": "00:19:15", "start": "00:19:07", "text": "In 1968, a researcher built a paradise"}, {"end": "00:19:17", "start": "00:19:11", "text": "for mice. Unlimited food, clean nests,"}, {"end": "00:19:20", "start": "00:19:15", "text": "no predators. Sounds awesome, right?"}, {"end": "00:19:23", "start": "00:19:17", "text": "Nope. Within 2 years, society collapsed,"}, {"end": "00:19:25", "start": "00:19:20", "text": "violence skyrocketed, the mice isolated"}, {"end": "00:19:28", "start": "00:19:23", "text": "themselves, and mass infertility swept"}, {"end": "00:19:31", "start": "00:19:25", "text": "the colony. It wasn't scarcity that"}, {"end": "00:19:33", "start": "00:19:28", "text": "killed them. It was abundance. The study"}, {"end": "00:19:34", "start": "00:19:31", "text": "is known as mouse utopia and it may"}, {"end": "00:19:38", "start": "00:19:33", "text": "offer a glimpse into what happens when"}, {"end": "00:19:41", "start": "00:19:34", "text": "we get everything we ever wanted as AI"}, {"end": "00:19:44", "start": "00:19:38", "text": "promises to do. Let's lay out how it"}, {"end": "00:19:47", "start": "00:19:41", "text": "might go. AI is going to take our jobs,"}, {"end": "00:19:51", "start": "00:19:44", "text": "all of them. Why? Because it's going to"}, {"end": "00:19:54", "start": "00:19:47", "text": "be so much better than us at everything."}, {"end": "00:19:56", "start": "00:19:51", "text": "The hard truth is AI is getting smart,"}, {"end": "00:19:58", "start": "00:19:54", "text": "really smart. And AI does not have to"}, {"end": "00:20:00", "start": "00:19:56", "text": "outsmart us by much to completely"}, {"end": "00:20:05", "start": "00:19:58", "text": "dominate us. Let me give you an example"}, {"end": "00:20:07", "start": "00:20:00", "text": "for scale. A a literal is"}, {"end": "00:20:10", "start": "00:20:05", "text": "technically someone with an IQ of about"}, {"end": "00:20:13", "start": "00:20:07", "text": "70. The average IQ in the US is 98."}, {"end": "00:20:17", "start": "00:20:10", "text": "Einstein was estimated to be 160. That's"}, {"end": "00:20:19", "start": "00:20:13", "text": "only 2.3 times smarter than a And"}, {"end": "00:20:22", "start": "00:20:17", "text": "yet, he had insights that gave birth to"}, {"end": "00:20:24", "start": "00:20:19", "text": "nuclear power and nuclear bombs, not to"}, {"end": "00:20:26", "start": "00:20:22", "text": "mention lasers, GPS, and a whole lot"}, {"end": "00:20:30", "start": "00:20:24", "text": "more. Said another way, a little"}, {"end": "00:20:31", "start": "00:20:26", "text": "intelligence goes a long way. An AI"}, {"end": "00:20:33", "start": "00:20:30", "text": "isn't going to be a little smarter than"}, {"end": "00:20:35", "start": "00:20:31", "text": "Einstein. It's going to be a lot"}, {"end": "00:20:37", "start": "00:20:33", "text": "smarter. Not five times smarter or 10"}, {"end": "00:20:40", "start": "00:20:35", "text": "times or even 10,000 times smarter."}, {"end": "00:20:42", "start": "00:20:37", "text": "We're talking millions of times smarter."}, {"end": "00:20:44", "start": "00:20:40", "text": "In case you think I'm exaggerating,"}, {"end": "00:20:47", "start": "00:20:42", "text": "futurist Ian Pearson told the World"}, {"end": "00:20:50", "start": "00:20:44", "text": "Government Summit that AI could become"}, {"end": "00:20:52", "start": "00:20:47", "text": "billions of times smarter than humans."}, {"end": "00:20:55", "start": "00:20:50", "text": "How? Because AI isn't limited by the"}, {"end": "00:20:58", "start": "00:20:52", "text": "messy chemical laden realities of being"}, {"end": "00:21:00", "start": "00:20:55", "text": "a meatag like we humans are. We have to"}, {"end": "00:21:02", "start": "00:20:58", "text": "wait roughly 20 years for the next"}, {"end": "00:21:05", "start": "00:21:00", "text": "generation to be born, grow to sexual"}, {"end": "00:21:07", "start": "00:21:02", "text": "maturity, and have more kids. AI, on the"}, {"end": "00:21:08", "start": "00:21:05", "text": "other hand, is a non-biological system"}, {"end": "00:21:11", "start": "00:21:07", "text": "that is only limited by the laws of"}, {"end": "00:21:13", "start": "00:21:08", "text": "physics. AI will be able to think at the"}, {"end": "00:21:15", "start": "00:21:11", "text": "speed of light and will only be limited"}, {"end": "00:21:18", "start": "00:21:13", "text": "by the everinccreasing rate at which it"}, {"end": "00:21:19", "start": "00:21:15", "text": "can learn to configure electrons in"}, {"end": "00:21:21", "start": "00:21:18", "text": "novel ways. Now, if you're finding this"}, {"end": "00:21:23", "start": "00:21:19", "text": "as eye- openening as I did when I first"}, {"end": "00:21:24", "start": "00:21:21", "text": "started researching it, you're going to"}, {"end": "00:21:26", "start": "00:21:23", "text": "want to dig deeper into what's actually"}, {"end": "00:21:28", "start": "00:21:24", "text": "coming next. That's exactly where short"}, {"end": "00:21:30", "start": "00:21:26", "text": "form can help. If you want to understand"}, {"end": "00:21:32", "start": "00:21:28", "text": "where AI is headed, there's one book"}, {"end": "00:21:36", "start": "00:21:30", "text": "that maps out the realistic future"}, {"end": "00:21:39", "start": "00:21:32", "text": "scenarios and it's called AI 2041 by Ku"}, {"end": "00:21:40", "start": "00:21:36", "text": "Lee and Chen Kon. Lee was the former"}, {"end": "00:21:43", "start": "00:21:39", "text": "president of Google China and knows"}, {"end": "00:21:45", "start": "00:21:40", "text": "exactly how this arms race is playing"}, {"end": "00:21:46", "start": "00:21:43", "text": "out. This isn't like other summary"}, {"end": "00:21:49", "start": "00:21:45", "text": "services that give you surface level one"}, {"end": "00:21:51", "start": "00:21:46", "text": "pagers. 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The scary part is"}, {"end": "00:24:11", "start": "00:24:07", "text": "that it's going to usher in a utopia."}, {"end": "00:24:13", "start": "00:24:09", "text": "Now, I can't believe this is true, but"}, {"end": "00:24:14", "start": "00:24:11", "text": "The Matrix actually predicted the"}, {"end": "00:24:17", "start": "00:24:13", "text": "problem with a technological utopia back"}, {"end": "00:24:20", "start": "00:24:14", "text": "in 1999. Agent Smith explains to Neo"}, {"end": "00:24:21", "start": "00:24:17", "text": "that originally the Matrix was designed"}, {"end": "00:24:24", "start": "00:24:20", "text": "to be a utopia, but people couldn't"}, {"end": "00:24:26", "start": "00:24:21", "text": "handle it and the Matrix was rejected."}, {"end": "00:24:27", "start": "00:24:24", "text": "Going back to mouse utopia, animals,"}, {"end": "00:24:29", "start": "00:24:26", "text": "including humans, just weren't designed"}, {"end": "00:24:31", "start": "00:24:27", "text": "for the easy life. We're designed to"}, {"end": "00:24:34", "start": "00:24:29", "text": "struggle against the odds. But"}, {"end": "00:24:35", "start": "00:24:31", "text": "technology is the way that we reduce"}, {"end": "00:24:38", "start": "00:24:34", "text": "that friction and make everything"}, {"end": "00:24:40", "start": "00:24:35", "text": "easier. Whether it's fire, the internal"}, {"end": "00:24:42", "start": "00:24:38", "text": "combustion engine, computers, or AI"}, {"end": "00:24:44", "start": "00:24:40", "text": "we're talking about technology is the"}, {"end": "00:24:46", "start": "00:24:42", "text": "promise of a better, easier future. And"}, {"end": "00:24:48", "start": "00:24:44", "text": "on paper, that's exactly what's going to"}, {"end": "00:24:50", "start": "00:24:46", "text": "happen. As the rate of progress picks"}, {"end": "00:24:52", "start": "00:24:48", "text": "up, AI will drive the cost of energy to"}, {"end": "00:24:54", "start": "00:24:50", "text": "effectively zero. It will make it"}, {"end": "00:24:55", "start": "00:24:52", "text": "possible to capture all or virtually all"}, {"end": "00:24:57", "start": "00:24:54", "text": "of the energy coming from the sun. 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Housing effectively will be free."}, {"end": "00:25:17", "start": "00:25:14", "text": "Everyone will have robot assistants"}, {"end": "00:25:19", "start": "00:25:16", "text": "doing anything they don't want to do."}, {"end": "00:25:21", "start": "00:25:17", "text": "And voila, we're the people from Wall-E."}, {"end": "00:25:23", "start": "00:25:19", "text": "Obese and riding around in chairs,"}, {"end": "00:25:26", "start": "00:25:21", "text": "barely able to stand up. Everything will"}, {"end": "00:25:28", "start": "00:25:23", "text": "be easier and cheaper. But will it be"}, {"end": "00:25:31", "start": "00:25:26", "text": "better? In a world without friction,"}, {"end": "00:25:34", "start": "00:25:28", "text": "without necessity, without effort, what"}, {"end": "00:25:36", "start": "00:25:31", "text": "is it that's going to give life meaning?"}, {"end": "00:25:39", "start": "00:25:34", "text": "In a world where automatic forces"}, {"end": "00:25:41", "start": "00:25:36", "text": "threaten to suck us into the abyss, how"}, {"end": "00:25:43", "start": "00:25:39", "text": "do we take control and avoid the traps"}, {"end": "00:25:47", "start": "00:25:41", "text": "laid out before us? Welcome to part"}, {"end": "00:25:50", "start": "00:25:43", "text": "five. Where do we go from here? Five"}, {"end": "00:25:52", "start": "00:25:47", "text": "steps to mastering the AI revolution."}, {"end": "00:25:54", "start": "00:25:50", "text": "Two stories, both true. One will break"}, {"end": "00:25:57", "start": "00:25:52", "text": "your heart, the other will light the way"}, {"end": "00:26:01", "start": "00:25:54", "text": "forward. In 2023, the release of a"}, {"end": "00:26:04", "start": "00:25:57", "text": "largely unknown AI model called Chat GPT"}, {"end": "00:26:07", "start": "00:26:01", "text": "bankrupted a billion-doll company in"}, {"end": "00:26:09", "start": "00:26:04", "text": "roughly 72 hours. The company was called"}, {"end": "00:26:12", "start": "00:26:07", "text": "Cheg. It was a titan of online"}, {"end": "00:26:15", "start": "00:26:09", "text": "education. But nonetheless, AI snuffed"}, {"end": "00:26:17", "start": "00:26:12", "text": "it out almost overnight. No mercy for"}, {"end": "00:26:19", "start": "00:26:15", "text": "the founder who lost everything or the"}, {"end": "00:26:22", "start": "00:26:17", "text": "employees who suddenly had no job. One"}, {"end": "00:26:24", "start": "00:26:19", "text": "of the countless examples of the old"}, {"end": "00:26:27", "start": "00:26:22", "text": "getting killed by the new. Next, in"}, {"end": "00:26:30", "start": "00:26:24", "text": "2024, a 21-year-old college dropout used"}, {"end": "00:26:33", "start": "00:26:27", "text": "AI to build a startup that outsmarted"}, {"end": "00:26:36", "start": "00:26:30", "text": "Microsoft's hiring system, landing this"}, {"end": "00:26:39", "start": "00:26:33", "text": "dropout $25 million in funding. All"}, {"end": "00:26:42", "start": "00:26:36", "text": "without him needing to write a single"}, {"end": "00:26:45", "start": "00:26:39", "text": "line of code. A tale of two companies,"}, {"end": "00:26:46", "start": "00:26:42", "text": "both controlled by AI. One destroyed by"}, {"end": "00:26:49", "start": "00:26:45", "text": "it because they didn't know how to use"}, {"end": "00:26:51", "start": "00:26:46", "text": "it, and the other never could have"}, {"end": "00:26:53", "start": "00:26:49", "text": "existed without it. We'll all go down"}, {"end": "00:26:56", "start": "00:26:51", "text": "one of those two paths. The only"}, {"end": "00:26:59", "start": "00:26:53", "text": "question is which one? Assuming you want"}, {"end": "00:27:02", "start": "00:26:56", "text": "to win, here are the five steps to"}, {"end": "00:27:05", "start": "00:26:59", "text": "mastering the AI revolution. One, master"}, {"end": "00:27:08", "start": "00:27:02", "text": "the AI tools. Learn all of them. Chat,"}, {"end": "00:27:10", "start": "00:27:05", "text": "GPT, Manis, V3, Midjourney, Claude,"}, {"end": "00:27:13", "start": "00:27:08", "text": "Sonnet, and whatever else comes next."}, {"end": "00:27:16", "start": "00:27:10", "text": "Prompt like a master. Chain tools"}, {"end": "00:27:19", "start": "00:27:13", "text": "together. Build automations for any"}, {"end": "00:27:21", "start": "00:27:16", "text": "repetitive tasks. Start fine-tuning your"}, {"end": "00:27:24", "start": "00:27:19", "text": "own models if you're brave enough. Build"}, {"end": "00:27:27", "start": "00:27:21", "text": "custom GPTs and find ways to craft"}, {"end": "00:27:29", "start": "00:27:24", "text": "systems that no one else has. If you"}, {"end": "00:27:32", "start": "00:27:27", "text": "don't know what those words mean, look"}, {"end": "00:27:35", "start": "00:27:29", "text": "them up now or you really will get left"}, {"end": "00:27:37", "start": "00:27:32", "text": "behind. Train your own social algorithm"}, {"end": "00:27:39", "start": "00:27:35", "text": "to keep you aware of everything that's"}, {"end": "00:27:41", "start": "00:27:37", "text": "going on at the bleeding edge of AI. It"}, {"end": "00:27:45", "start": "00:27:39", "text": "moves fast and you want to make sure"}, {"end": "00:27:48", "start": "00:27:41", "text": "that you see what's going on. Experiment"}, {"end": "00:27:51", "start": "00:27:45", "text": "and get your hands dirty. There is no"}, {"end": "00:27:53", "start": "00:27:48", "text": "substitute for actually using these AI"}, {"end": "00:27:55", "start": "00:27:51", "text": "tools and seeing exactly what they're"}, {"end": "00:27:57", "start": "00:27:53", "text": "capable of, including where they fall"}, {"end": "00:28:01", "start": "00:27:55", "text": "apart. You will often have to wade"}, {"end": "00:28:03", "start": "00:27:57", "text": "through a river of endless hype to get"}, {"end": "00:28:07", "start": "00:28:01", "text": "to the actual tools that are truly"}, {"end": "00:28:09", "start": "00:28:03", "text": "revolutionary, but you will be shocked"}, {"end": "00:28:12", "start": "00:28:07", "text": "by how far AI can extend your"}, {"end": "00:28:15", "start": "00:28:09", "text": "capabilities. Two, build something real."}, {"end": "00:28:19", "start": "00:28:12", "text": "Write books, build tools, teach skills,"}, {"end": "00:28:21", "start": "00:28:15", "text": "make games, license content. It is truly"}, {"end": "00:28:25", "start": "00:28:19", "text": "never been easier. And this window is"}, {"end": "00:28:27", "start": "00:28:21", "text": "going to close fast. Soon the world is"}, {"end": "00:28:29", "start": "00:28:25", "text": "going to be flooded with builders, but"}, {"end": "00:28:32", "start": "00:28:27", "text": "for now you're in a magic window where"}, {"end": "00:28:34", "start": "00:28:29", "text": "shockingly few people have actually"}, {"end": "00:28:36", "start": "00:28:32", "text": "mastered the tools and are creating with"}, {"end": "00:28:38", "start": "00:28:34", "text": "them. This moment reminds me a lot of"}, {"end": "00:28:40", "start": "00:28:36", "text": "YouTube back in like 2014. There was"}, {"end": "00:28:41", "start": "00:28:38", "text": "competition, but if you had something"}, {"end": "00:28:44", "start": "00:28:40", "text": "valuable to offer, you could make"}, {"end": "00:28:47", "start": "00:28:41", "text": "millions. I know because I did it with"}, {"end": "00:28:50", "start": "00:28:44", "text": "no previous experience. It's all about"}, {"end": "00:28:53", "start": "00:28:47", "text": "learning fast and moving even faster."}, {"end": "00:28:54", "start": "00:28:50", "text": "Three, play to the fringes. The edges"}, {"end": "00:28:56", "start": "00:28:53", "text": "are where you're going to find the"}, {"end": "00:28:58", "start": "00:28:54", "text": "opportunities that are unguarded. That's"}, {"end": "00:29:00", "start": "00:28:56", "text": "where the leverage is. My company,"}, {"end": "00:29:02", "start": "00:28:58", "text": "Quest, launched at the height of the"}, {"end": "00:29:04", "start": "00:29:00", "text": "Great Recession and sold for a billion"}, {"end": "00:29:07", "start": "00:29:02", "text": "dollars. Same for Shopify. And today,"}, {"end": "00:29:08", "start": "00:29:04", "text": "it's worth over $100 billion. Why do"}, {"end": "00:29:10", "start": "00:29:07", "text": "these companies still work even in the"}, {"end": "00:29:13", "start": "00:29:08", "text": "worst economic environment since the"}, {"end": "00:29:16", "start": "00:29:10", "text": "Great Depression? Because a crisis opens"}, {"end": "00:29:18", "start": "00:29:13", "text": "up opportunities. It's your job to take"}, {"end": "00:29:20", "start": "00:29:16", "text": "advantage of them. Ask yourself, what"}, {"end": "00:29:23", "start": "00:29:18", "text": "does AI make possible that wasn't"}, {"end": "00:29:25", "start": "00:29:20", "text": "possible before? What niche audience was"}, {"end": "00:29:28", "start": "00:29:23", "text": "impossible to serve before AI? What was"}, {"end": "00:29:31", "start": "00:29:25", "text": "previously too expensive but now can be"}, {"end": "00:29:33", "start": "00:29:28", "text": "done very cheaply? Find a forgotten or"}, {"end": "00:29:36", "start": "00:29:31", "text": "underserved niche. Figure out where the"}, {"end": "00:29:39", "start": "00:29:33", "text": "freaks and geeks are that have a rabid"}, {"end": "00:29:41", "start": "00:29:36", "text": "appetite for your idea. Apple of all"}, {"end": "00:29:43", "start": "00:29:39", "text": "companies started in a super nerdy"}, {"end": "00:29:45", "start": "00:29:41", "text": "obscure computer club. My own YouTube"}, {"end": "00:29:48", "start": "00:29:43", "text": "content, which has now been viewed over"}, {"end": "00:29:51", "start": "00:29:45", "text": "a billion times, started inside of a"}, {"end": "00:29:54", "start": "00:29:48", "text": "protein bar company. Great things often"}, {"end": "00:29:56", "start": "00:29:51", "text": "start in small, diehard communities."}, {"end": "00:29:58", "start": "00:29:54", "text": "Find them and serve them with the"}, {"end": "00:30:02", "start": "00:29:56", "text": "leverage that AI gives you. Jeff Bezos"}, {"end": "00:30:04", "start": "00:29:58", "text": "started Amazon when only 14% of"}, {"end": "00:30:07", "start": "00:30:02", "text": "Americans had internet access. Do not"}, {"end": "00:30:09", "start": "00:30:04", "text": "wait until AI has saturated the market,"}, {"end": "00:30:12", "start": "00:30:07", "text": "which is happening fast. If you want to"}, {"end": "00:30:14", "start": "00:30:09", "text": "win big, get started immediately. Work"}, {"end": "00:30:16", "start": "00:30:12", "text": "on nights and weekends if you have to."}, {"end": "00:30:18", "start": "00:30:14", "text": "There's no need to quit your day job."}, {"end": "00:30:21", "start": "00:30:16", "text": "Just start building in your spare time."}, {"end": "00:30:23", "start": "00:30:18", "text": "AI speeds everything up. Use that to"}, {"end": "00:30:25", "start": "00:30:21", "text": "your advantage. All right, that's all"}, {"end": "00:30:27", "start": "00:30:23", "text": "I'm going to say about building. The"}, {"end": "00:30:29", "start": "00:30:25", "text": "first three steps to mastering AI are"}, {"end": "00:30:32", "start": "00:30:27", "text": "about the narrow window of time that"}, {"end": "00:30:35", "start": "00:30:29", "text": "we're in right now before AI beats us at"}, {"end": "00:30:37", "start": "00:30:32", "text": "everything. Once that happens, and it"}, {"end": "00:30:39", "start": "00:30:35", "text": "will, I certainly hope I've been able to"}, {"end": "00:30:41", "start": "00:30:37", "text": "convince you of that by now, you're"}, {"end": "00:30:44", "start": "00:30:39", "text": "going to need these next two steps."}, {"end": "00:30:46", "start": "00:30:41", "text": "Four, find meaning by doing hard things"}, {"end": "00:30:49", "start": "00:30:44", "text": "that matter. The only thing worth"}, {"end": "00:30:51", "start": "00:30:46", "text": "pursuing in the long run is fulfillment."}, {"end": "00:30:54", "start": "00:30:49", "text": "Fulfillment is the one neurochemical"}, {"end": "00:30:55", "start": "00:30:51", "text": "state that will survive even grief."}, {"end": "00:30:57", "start": "00:30:54", "text": "Fulfillment is about making sure you"}, {"end": "00:30:59", "start": "00:30:55", "text": "have meaning and purpose in your life."}, {"end": "00:31:02", "start": "00:30:57", "text": "And fulfillment comes from a very simple"}, {"end": "00:31:05", "start": "00:30:59", "text": "formula. You have to work really hard to"}, {"end": "00:31:07", "start": "00:31:02", "text": "gain a set of skills that matter to you"}, {"end": "00:31:11", "start": "00:31:05", "text": "for your own reasons that allow you to"}, {"end": "00:31:13", "start": "00:31:07", "text": "make progress towards an honorable goal."}, {"end": "00:31:15", "start": "00:31:11", "text": "Notice I didn't say achieve it to make"}, {"end": "00:31:17", "start": "00:31:13", "text": "progress. If you achieve it, great. But"}, {"end": "00:31:19", "start": "00:31:15", "text": "don't tie your identity up in that. It's"}, {"end": "00:31:21", "start": "00:31:17", "text": "about becoming the kind of person that"}, {"end": "00:31:23", "start": "00:31:19", "text": "you would respect. It never ceases to"}, {"end": "00:31:25", "start": "00:31:21", "text": "amaze me how simple humans really are"}, {"end": "00:31:28", "start": "00:31:23", "text": "until the day that AI makes it possible"}, {"end": "00:31:29", "start": "00:31:25", "text": "to synthesize and edit our DNA on mass."}, {"end": "00:31:32", "start": "00:31:28", "text": "What ultimately dictates the quality of"}, {"end": "00:31:35", "start": "00:31:29", "text": "a human life is how you feel about"}, {"end": "00:31:38", "start": "00:31:32", "text": "yourself when you're by yourself. Don't"}, {"end": "00:31:40", "start": "00:31:35", "text": "lose sight of that. Five, fall in love"}, {"end": "00:31:42", "start": "00:31:38", "text": "and raise a family. This may feel like"}, {"end": "00:31:44", "start": "00:31:40", "text": "it's out of left field for a video about"}, {"end": "00:31:46", "start": "00:31:42", "text": "navigating a world that is changing so"}, {"end": "00:31:49", "start": "00:31:44", "text": "rapidly most people will be paralyzed by"}, {"end": "00:31:52", "start": "00:31:46", "text": "overwhelm, but here's the truth. We need"}, {"end": "00:31:55", "start": "00:31:49", "text": "meaning and purpose. We need to love and"}, {"end": "00:31:57", "start": "00:31:52", "text": "be loved. We need to do hard things. And"}, {"end": "00:31:59", "start": "00:31:55", "text": "while I cannot speak from experience, I"}, {"end": "00:32:01", "start": "00:31:57", "text": "can see from an evolutionary perspective"}, {"end": "00:32:04", "start": "00:31:59", "text": "that having kids is what nature wants us"}, {"end": "00:32:06", "start": "00:32:01", "text": "to do. There are built-in algorithms"}, {"end": "00:32:09", "start": "00:32:04", "text": "running in your brain that will reward"}, {"end": "00:32:11", "start": "00:32:06", "text": "you for having and raising kids."}, {"end": "00:32:12", "start": "00:32:09", "text": "And I can't think of any better default"}, {"end": "00:32:15", "start": "00:32:11", "text": "way to have deep meaning and purpose"}, {"end": "00:32:17", "start": "00:32:12", "text": "than to raise children. Well, there are"}, {"end": "00:32:19", "start": "00:32:15", "text": "no universals in life, but I think you"}, {"end": "00:32:22", "start": "00:32:17", "text": "deviate from that path at your own risk."}, {"end": "00:32:24", "start": "00:32:19", "text": "I don't have kids, so I know you can do"}, {"end": "00:32:26", "start": "00:32:22", "text": "that well, but it requires some extra"}, {"end": "00:32:28", "start": "00:32:24", "text": "planning if you want to make sure your"}, {"end": "00:32:30", "start": "00:32:26", "text": "life has meaning. No matter what happens"}, {"end": "00:32:33", "start": "00:32:28", "text": "with AI, love and family will be"}, {"end": "00:32:34", "start": "00:32:30", "text": "constants, at least until humans become"}, {"end": "00:32:36", "start": "00:32:33", "text": "fully synthetic. But that's a whole"}, {"end": "00:32:38", "start": "00:32:34", "text": "another video. Ultimately, your life"}, {"end": "00:32:41", "start": "00:32:36", "text": "should be full of joy. And while I"}, {"end": "00:32:43", "start": "00:32:38", "text": "expect that AI is going to knock a lot"}, {"end": "00:32:45", "start": "00:32:41", "text": "of people down, and I think a great many"}, {"end": "00:32:48", "start": "00:32:43", "text": "people are going to have a very tough"}, {"end": "00:32:50", "start": "00:32:45", "text": "time adapting, the reality is that how"}, {"end": "00:32:52", "start": "00:32:48", "text": "we respond to this radical change is"}, {"end": "00:32:55", "start": "00:32:50", "text": "going to be up to us. Some people will"}, {"end": "00:32:58", "start": "00:32:52", "text": "get fully augmented and travel to Mars."}, {"end": "00:33:01", "start": "00:32:55", "text": "Others will move to a farm off the grid"}, {"end": "00:33:04", "start": "00:32:58", "text": "and reject technology completely. That"}, {"end": "00:33:07", "start": "00:33:01", "text": "much we all get to choose. Let me leave"}, {"end": "00:33:10", "start": "00:33:04", "text": "you with this. AI is rewriting our world"}, {"end": "00:33:12", "start": "00:33:07", "text": "faster, vaster, and more brutally than"}, {"end": "00:33:14", "start": "00:33:10", "text": "any revolution in human history. There"}, {"end": "00:33:16", "start": "00:33:12", "text": "has never been anything like it. Not the"}, {"end": "00:33:18", "start": "00:33:14", "text": "printing press or gunpowder,"}, {"end": "00:33:20", "start": "00:33:16", "text": "electricity, or even atomic energy. But"}, {"end": "00:33:23", "start": "00:33:18", "text": "history shows over and over that"}, {"end": "00:33:25", "start": "00:33:20", "text": "disruption carves paths to progress, but"}, {"end": "00:33:27", "start": "00:33:23", "text": "only for those who move. The US and"}, {"end": "00:33:30", "start": "00:33:25", "text": "China's AI arms race guarantees that"}, {"end": "00:33:32", "start": "00:33:27", "text": "this train will not stop. Many will be"}, {"end": "00:33:36", "start": "00:33:30", "text": "paralyzed by overwhelm. Others will die"}, {"end": "00:33:39", "start": "00:33:32", "text": "in mouse utopia. But we all have a"}, {"end": "00:33:41", "start": "00:33:36", "text": "choice. And if I were to suggest one, it"}, {"end": "00:33:43", "start": "00:33:39", "text": "would be to push for sensible"}, {"end": "00:33:46", "start": "00:33:41", "text": "regulation. Choose the hard path of"}, {"end": "00:33:48", "start": "00:33:43", "text": "meaning and purpose and master the tools"}, {"end": "00:33:51", "start": "00:33:46", "text": "while that still matters. Whether it's 2"}, {"end": "00:33:53", "start": "00:33:48", "text": "years or 20 years away, don't just stand"}, {"end": "00:33:55", "start": "00:33:51", "text": "there on the beach and let the tsunami"}, {"end": "00:33:57", "start": "00:33:53", "text": "take you. Have the courage to take on"}, {"end": "00:34:00", "start": "00:33:55", "text": "whatever comes next and push yourself to"}, {"end": "00:34:02", "start": "00:33:57", "text": "the limit. Remember, the future isn't"}, {"end": "00:34:04", "start": "00:34:00", "text": "some faroff thing. It's happening right"}, {"end": "00:34:06", "start": "00:34:02", "text": "now and it's moving a lot faster than"}, {"end": "00:34:08", "start": "00:34:04", "text": "you think. All right, guys. If you want"}, {"end": "00:34:09", "start": "00:34:06", "text": "to see me explore ideas like this live"}, {"end": "00:34:12", "start": "00:34:08", "text": "in real time, make sure that you're"}, {"end": "00:34:14", "start": "00:34:09", "text": "joining me for my lives on my channel at"}, {"end": "00:34:16", "start": "00:34:12", "text": "6:00 a.m. Pacific time. I'll see you"}, {"end": "00:34:18", "start": "00:34:14", "text": "there. Take care. If you like this"}, {"end": "00:34:22", "start": "00:34:16", "text": "conversation, check out this episode to"}, {"end": "00:34:24", "start": "00:34:18", "text": "learn more. True story. Six men"}, {"end": "00:34:27", "start": "00:34:22", "text": "representing 25% of the world's wealth"}, {"end": "00:34:29", "start": "00:34:24", "text": "meet on a private train. No last names,"}, {"end": "00:34:31", "start": "00:34:27", "text": "no press, no records. If anyone asks,"}, {"end": "00:34:35", "start": "00:34:29", "text": "they're going duck hunting in Georgia,"}, {"end": "00:34:35", "start": "00:34:31", "text": "but they're not going duck"}]